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> Ottava's blackmail atempt not as successful, Is anyone surprised this bloke can't get it done?
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Subject: [arbcom-l] Ottava Rima outing SDJ and calling for heads
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From: John Vandenberg <jayvdb@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 02:19
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Cc: Ottava Rima <17peters@cardinalmail.cua.edu>


<cc:ing Ottava so he knows what I have disclosed (and what I haven't)
new arbcommies, be careful with your cc lists tongue.gif>

My understanding is that Ottava is also talking with Arbcom about
this, but I don't know any specifics of those conversations.

Ottava and I have had a lengthy "conversation" of 39 emails over the
last 24 hours, mostly about Unitanode and the corruption he sees in
arbcom, his case, etc.

I've been quite irate since he is pursuing this matter at this time of
year, and have asked him to back off until the new year.

Risker is especially in his sights, but so is Coren, Randy, Wizardman,
Roger, Brad, me, Jayeron32, Fowler&fowler, and Moreschi et al.,
Bishonen & co. You get the picture.

I'm not going into details as you each probably already know, and can
discuss it among yourselves.

He blames arbcom for the outing which occurred against him.

He claims to have new arbcom members promising to review the case.

Also, he says that arbitrators are telling him stories about my resignation.

He claims to have evidence of all sort of corruption that he is
"sitting on". Something about ArbCom logs; not sure what he is
referring to there, so I am quoting it here.

"I'm sorry, but I wont be protecting you when I publish the ArbCom
logs in mid January so the new ArbCom wont be able to ignore the
abuse."

His main trust at the moment is that he has pieced together a history
of Unitanode, involving SDJ. He claims that you guys have passed the
buck on this, and believes that disclosing this full history is within
his rights. His rationale is that Unitanode has violated CLEANSTART
if he is SDJ. While this may be true, his own actions are not
justified by this. Here the better half of the most recent email:

"My actions ARE fine. He did not have his name oversighted. He did not
leave areas that he was supposed to leave alone. He violated the
policy. Socks are ALWAYS acceptable to reveal when they are abusive. I
gave ArbCom a chance to block him under clear violation of cleanstart.
They refused. Now each member who stood by and did nothing, including
you, will be hit with the blowback."

I knew that Ottava Rima was shopping this around via email before I
went to bed last night, and I was trying to convince him to take a
break and look at his own actions - the pattern continues even now.

This morning I found he had started disclosing hints on his talk page,
so I removed talk page editing privileges, and a few minutes prior
Seddon had protected it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...091225&limit=28

As a result, Seddon and I touched base with each other via gtalk, and
we agreed that it should be blanked and that oversighters should be
alerted. Seddon blanked it, and I thought he had contacted oversight
also. If he hasn't, please forward this part of the email to
oversight-l or handle the matter yourself as you see fit.

Merry Christmas everyone.

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From: Kenneth Kua/ArbCom <kenneth@planetkh.com>
Date: Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 03:21
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Let's see what he has to offer in the next year by then. He should write to us directly.

Kenneth

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From: Risker <risker.wp@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 04:01
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<list and John vdb only - please ensure this is not forwarded to Ottava Rima>

Thanks John for this information.

The following is forwarded, with permission from Folantin:

from Folantin <jfolantin@googlemail.com>
to Risker <risker.wp@gmail.com>
date 22 December 2009 04:56
subject Ottava Rima planned disruption?
mailed-by wikimedia.org

hide details 22 Dec (3 days ago)

Hi Risker,
I've been monitoring IRC for the past two months to see what Ottava Rima has been up to as he frequently canvasses there. Last night he was ranting about his ban and I picked up this interchange regarding you. Since Ottava can still post comments on his user talk page, he is capable of carrying out this threat. Of course, this facility could be disabled to pre-empt this disruption, assuming it's not just typical OR bluster. Anyway, what action you take (if any) is up to you, I thought I'd send you this just out of interest:

[05:14:17] <Ottava> having 6 people out of 18 claim I am so awful is just a scam
[05:14:22] <Ottava> especially when 2 should have been recused
[05:14:30] <Ottava> and one was already proven to support sock puppets who harassed me
[05:14:34] <Ottava> Risker's time is short
[05:14:40] <DanielB> What does that mean?
[05:14:42] <Ottava> Once I post up the ArbCom emails that should be fun
[05:14:44] <Ottava> Wait and see
[05:14:50] <DanielB> Oh, threats of disruption.
[05:14:52] <DanielB> Jolly.
[05:14:57] <Ottava> Her abuse will be so public Jimbo will have to remove her from the project

Cheers,

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A bit of history for the new arbitrators:

Unitanode is formerly known as SDJ (S. Dean Jameson), and has had prior accounts as well. See the WPuser page on the arbwiki. At one point, he edited under his RL name. Some time in 2008, he posted the full list of his prior accounts on his userpage. He also created a known second "teacher" account and was introducing a few of his students to Wikipedia editing (this was the Bellwether BC account, and I provided some support to that effort). After opposing Ecoleetage at RFA in early 2009, Ecoleetage telephoned SDJ's employer. We don't know exactly what was said; however, SDJ reports that following the call(s), he suffered serious adverse effects to his career (his teaching contract was not renewed, which he relates to negative reviews that did not start until after Ecoleetage contacted his principal). The onwiki effects were that Ecoleetage was banned from the project (as was his subsequently discovered "new" account, Pastor Theo, which was desysopped), and SDJ was renamed and "vanished"; all of his userpages were deleted, but I am fairly certain they weren't suppressed or oversighted. After a few months, he returned under a new username, and a while later he contacted me to tell me that he had returned to the project under the name Unitanode. At that point (?late spring 2009), there was nothing all that unusual about his edits; they were mainly to mainspace or to project space in relation to his areas of editing interest which, as I recall, was one of the "America's Got Talent"-type television programs. I urged him to let me make note of it on the arbwiki (there was no "standard" practice at the time for this kind of situation), but he was very hesitant for a long time. Eventually it got there, although as I recall his name came up in a discussion on Functionaries-L some time over the summer.

There are other threads about Unitanode in the arbcom-L archives, and Ottava Rima had asked specific questions about him earlier this fall which Carcharoth addressed on behalf of the committee, I recall.

I'll withhold any other comment at this point; I just got up to see how the turkey was defrosting. :-)

Risker/Anne






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From: Kenneth Kua/ArbCom <kenneth@planetkh.com>
Date: Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 04:20
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Ottava was complaining about abuse of *another* arbitrator on IRC as well, and how he was betrayed by that arbitrator and the evidence be turn-coated against him just before the case was closed. Ah whatever. I say only seeing is believing.

Kenneth/MD



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From: Randy Everette <rlevse@cox.net>
Date: Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 07:49
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He thinks that me going inactive during this arb case was a “betrayal”. Pure hogwash, I had to go inactive due to wiki and arb stress.

This is nothing but a case of Don’t Feed The Trolls and a repeat of his pattern of blaming everyone else and not accepting responsibility for his own actions.

R

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From: Marc A. Pelletier <marc@uberbox.org>
Date: Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 12:14
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Ottava is downright paranoid. He picks up everything going own and invents a reason why it's proof of vast conspiracies against him.

-- Coren / Marc


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From: Randy Everette <rlevse@cox.net>
Date: Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 12:19
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Yep. WP:IGNORE just may apply here.

R

From: arbcom-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:arbcom-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Marc A. Pelletier
Sent: Friday, December 25, 2009 12:14 PM

On 25/12/2009 7:49 AM, Randy Everette wrote:

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From: Hersfold <hersfoldwiki@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 13:18
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I'd second Marc. If there was indeed something that could demonstrably show how ArbCom was out to get Ottava, then someone else would have noticed it and made a fuss; Ottava's certainly not short of supporters. If he has emails, then most likely they were taken out of context as the recently leaked emails from Func-en were, and only quoted to fuel his paranoia.

We have no reason to respond to threats, especially ones that are not delivered directly to us. As for the outing of SDJ, again, I don't have secure access to anything here, but Risker's history above doesn't mention any abusive editing prior to SDJ's change of accounts. If this is the case, then he's allowed to switch accounts, IIRC - it's almost the same as getting a formal rename..

Hersfold




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From: Steve Smith <stevethearbitrator@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 17:29
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I haven't reviewed enough mailing list archives to get any real feel for what's normal tone-wise on these lists, but I'm not sure I find it appropriate or helpful for arbs to refer to parties to cases as "downright paranoid". While we're out of the community's eye, I think we should as much as possible confine the advantage we take of that fact to the information we disclose, rather than the tone we adopt. We probably can't do much to eliminate the perception that we're plotting against assorted editors in backchannels, but we can make sure it's as unjustified as possible.

Of course, I may be out of line here, and if I am I'll stop harping on this.

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From: Kenneth Kua/ArbCom <kenneth@planetkh.com>
Date: Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 17:42
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No. This is an issue that have to deal with. The G word is not far away and it's only a matter of time when it'll come back for us.

Kenneth

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From: Cool Hand Luke <User.CoolHandLuke@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 18:04
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I don't understand what the "G word" is.

If we do review this, I suppose Risker will have to be recused. From what I can tell, he feels particularly railroaded by her. I never brought myself up to speed on this case, so I could help review it with fresh eyes. I'm inclined to discount his theories, but I would like to know what he has.

I've told him that the new arbitrators are now subscribed and that he should send his evidence to Arbcom-l.

Frank




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From: Marc A. Pelletier <marc@uberbox.org>
Date: Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 18:41
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We tend to be more candid than would be appropriate in public, if that's
what you mean. Personally, I think there is very little good to be
gained from pussyfooting around calling spades by their proper name,
even if it's not diplomatic to do so. In order for this committee to
work, we need to be able to say what's on our mind directly -- this is
the only way we can achieve honest results.

That's not to say we don't occasionally step over the line, even here.
I'm of a rather fiery temper myself, and am probably one of the few
people who steps over that line when emotions run high; we're all on
this committee because we all feel strongly about the project -- even
passionately -- and being able to be frank is important even when it
occasionally ruffles feathers to do so. (Though, of course, we have to
take care to not go overboard and to step back when things become really
too heated).

That being said, calling OR "paranoid" was not one of those cases. We
no longer have a psychologist on the committee, but this is a simple
observation that needs to be said because it needs to inform how we
react to the current incident -- as well as the unavoidable future
ones. We cannot trust him to be rational about anything that occurs to
him, or around him; he will reinterpret everything as proof of vast
conspiracies centered around him. It is important that we do not /feed/
those delusions, and that we do not give him a platform to vent them:
there are at least a half dozen trolls around who wait for nothing
better to do that amplify and distort those further.

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From: <rlevse@cox.net>
Date: Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 18:51
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Totally agree with Coren.

Ottava sees anything that does not go his way as a conspiracy and turns on and attacks those who disagree. Last I checked that met the definition of paranoid.

Last year when I was elected to arbcom, I was tipped off by more than one person within a day or two that Ottava (who I'd talked to from time to time but had no strong connection to) was running around saying he had a "in" to arbcom and was dropping my name. I in no uncertain term told him to STFU pronto.

When his arb case came, I initially tried to frame it in a unique mentorship and was found a few mentors. My hope was to frame it as a precedent (which it still ended up being) for dealing with people who produce good content but cause other problems. I really did try to see it to the end but as I mentioned before wiki and arb stress got to me and I had to go inactive and then on wiki break using wikibreak enforcers (now due to end in a few hours).

Wizardman, I'm sorry about this and hope it was not too much of a burden upon you. I think all arbs should go on breaks about every 3-6 months. The community seems to understand the need for this. I have benefited greatly from this break and feel much better.

R

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From: <rlevse@cox.net>
Date: Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 18:52
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PS during his arbcase Ottava's behavior got even worse and I totally understand why a ban happened. OR sees all this as me betraying him. He didn't accept my explanation at all.

R

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From: Wizardman <wizardmanwiki@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 21:36
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It's alright. I was tempted to accept the mentorship, but after reading through the evidence, as well as the way he acted, I went from teetering to being in 100% support of the ban pretty quickly. I still even had some respect for him left when the case closed, but unfortunately he took a dump on that as well.
~W

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From: Jeffrey Peters <17peters@cardinalmail.cua.edu>
Date: Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 13:06
To: John Vandenberg <jayvdb@gmail.com>
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Dear ArbCom,

It is well known that Risker has been working with User:Kscottbailey to get him through multiple restarts. This started after Kscottbailey picked a nasty fight with User:Gwen Gale in 2007.

At first, he renamed to BobTheTomato and ran the sock puppet Bellwether_BC.

Risker knew of this sock puppet:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=214774773

She then helped him restart as User:S._Dean_Jameson. He continued his old fights under that name. Catching onto this, Ecole went and abused his right by contacting K Scott Bailey's real life work. Risker then blanked various talk pages:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:BobTheTomato 03:48, 17 January 2009 Risker (talk | contribs) deleted "User talk:BobTheTomato" ‎ (U1: User request to delete pages in own userspace: privacy issues; refer questions to deleter or other arbcom member)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:SDJ 05:15, 17 January 2009 Risker (talk | contribs) deleted "User:SDJ" ‎ (U1: User request to delete pages in own userspace: per off wiki, contact deleter or other arbcom member if questions)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Bellwether_BC 04:22, 17 January 2009 Risker (talk | contribs) deleted "User talk:Bellwether BC" ‎ (U1: User request to delete pages in own userspace: per off wiki request; contact deleter or other arbom member if questions)

Proving 1. she knew of all the names and 2. she was using her ArbCom status.

SDJ then changed names to User:Watershipper but quickly abandoned that after getting into new fights.

Under Unitanode, he continued to fight against both Mattisse and myself. In my case, he interfered with Dispute Resolution and continued to lie about having a long term history with me (4 out of 8 months as S Dean Jameson, which is clear from

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wik...S._Dean_Jameson

and related pages.

Any Arbitrator who knew of his past knew that he was involved in disputes with Mattisse and myself and clearly abused the cleanstart guidelines that say 1. you cannot lie about being in previous disputes and 2. you cannot continue to dispute with people you previously disputed with. Risker facilitated this as she facilitated Geogre/Utgard Loki's socks, both abuses of the sock policy that ended up with harassment against me.

The first case was brought up in an RfC I filed against her, which had Moreschi delete it and had Unitanode harass me during it to try and disrupt it. This was also an important matter in an ArbCom case which Risker refused to recuse herself in.

Finally, John claimed I "outed" S Dean Jameson. 1. You cannot out someone whose name still exists on Wikipedia and there were previous disputes I alluded to. 2. You cannot out someone whose real name was not S Dean Jameson and was known by ArbCom and anyone else with the evidence that Ecole contacted K Scott Bailey's work. 3. I only alluded to previous disputes that were not deleted.

Sincerely,
Jeffrey Peters
aka Ottava Rima



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From: Cool Hand Luke <User.CoolHandLuke@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 05:38
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SDJ is the same guy Ecoleetage was upset with.

Does anyone know what OR means by "You cannot out someone whose real name was not S Dean Jameson and was known by ArbCom and anyone else with the evidence that Ecole contacted K Scott Bailey's work." Is he saying that he could not have outed Unitanode because SDJ was a pseudonym? But if he means that, doesn't the fact that everyone knew that Ecoleetage contacted K. Scott Bailey's work mean that it was effectively linking him to a real-world identity?

Does anyone follow him here? If no one does, may I ask OR?

John copied.

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From: John Vandenberg <jayvdb@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 06:08
To: Cool Hand Luke <User.CoolHandLuke@gmail.com>
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I tried to point that out, but I was avoiding giving confirmation that
SDJ is K Scott Bailey, which meant dancing around it a little. Good
luck trying tongue.gif

He falls back on "but it wasn't oversighted" (paraphase).

In his email to me, he said:

"Using their previous name was their choice. They made it clear. They
did not have their previous name removed."

See the end of his email in this thread to arbcom-l "whose name still
exists on Wikipedia" and "disputes that were not deleted" (exact
quotes).

Today someone told me that he also outed Chillum, probably by linking
accounts in the same way, and most likely during the post-acid trip
drama. I don't recall that happening, and I haven't confirmed it; let
me know if you would like me to.

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From: Jeffrey Peters <17peters@cardinalmail.cua.edu>
Date: Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 10:07
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Dear ArbCom,

I also wanted to point out that an admin who had a long history of wanting me banned disabled my email over "harassing" email, while others who have read it, including Seddon, have stated that there is no way it could be seen harassing.

There is also no way to say that I outed a user as 1. I never mentioned the users name and 2. the user's previous account name was not his real name. As such, I would ask that both my talk page and my emails are restored as they were all shut down inappropriately and out of process.

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From: Randy Everette <rlevse@cox.net>
Date: Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 13:21
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This is getting really old really fast. I say WP:IGNORE

R

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Dear ArbCom,


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From: Michelle Kinney <shell.kinney@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 16:45
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I really very strongly agree; when OR is backed into a corner he
starts scaling the walls and spouting gibberish. I have scads of
emails from OR over a block in 2008 in which he threatened to report
me to the Foundation, the police, the government, the UN....the longer
he didn't get his way, the more exaggerated the claims. He taunted me
in the email that he was doing this via email because he couldn't get
in further trouble on wiki because of it (oh and claimed he knew Jimbo
personally so it wouldn't matter what I did). He even went so far as
to look up personal information on myself, email me through my work
address (not associated with Wikipedia) and I believe he was
responsible for some calls to my office which referenced Wikipedia.
In any case, it went away quickly after Mangojuice talked him down
from the ceiling.

I don't believe dealing with him rationally is possible at this stage.
He's going to try to make trouble and lash out in general; someone
who's not involved with ArbCom might be able to intercede, but he's
unlikely to listen to anyone connected with the group he thinks is the
current problem.

Just my thoughts.

Shell

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From: Jeffrey Peters <17peters@cardinalmail.cua.edu>
Date: Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 21:25
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Dear ArbCom, John,

I wanted to add one more name to the list of socks that Unitanode used and that were connected to Risker:

MrWhich

I would also ask if I could add more people to this discussion if any Arbitrators have any questions or want any more information as there are more accounts. The people I would ask to be included are: Casliber, Peter Symonds, and Alison (if they accept, of course).

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From: Cool Hand Luke <User.CoolHandLuke@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 05:12
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Is that right? Unitanode has not behaved cleverly at all, but I think this is at right angled to the Ottava Rima RFAR.

Frank





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From: Jeffrey Peters <17peters@cardinalmail.cua.edu>
Date: Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 10:00
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Dear ArbCom,

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=334758427

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=334893051

This is a clear violation of Battleground and I am prepared to file a request for clarification on the case unless ArbCom is going to open up motions about this immediately.

The above is pure bs, especially considering the fact that Moreschi, Folantin, and the rest, have already been proven to use the same room and tag team, as they currently are doing now:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...&action=history
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...&action=history
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From: Newyorkbrad (Wikipedia) <newyorkbrad@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 10:40
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(List only)

Just out of curiosity, how are Ottava Rima's e-mails winding up in
this thread with this subject line? I am sure that is not what he is
captioning them....

Newyorkbrad

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Dear Arbcom,

Here is my request for clarification. I will be posting it publicly if no Arbitrator or Clerk posts it at the request page first.

== Request for clarification: [[Wikipedia:Arbitration/
Requests/Case/Ottava_Rima_restrictions]] ==
'''Initiated by ''' ~~~ '''at''' ~~~~~

''List of any users involved or directly affected, and confirmation that all are aware of the request:''
*{{userlinks|Ottava Rima}} (initiator)
*{{userlinks|Moreschi}}
*{{userlinks|Risker}}
*{{userlinks|Wizardman}}
*{{userlinks|John Vandenberg}}
*{{userlinks|Jayron32}}


=== Statement by Ottava Rima ===

This request for clarification has multiple parts. Most of it was discussed in "principles" but never was clarified in the decision process.

1. [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_bureaucratship/Juliancolton_2&diff=334759476&oldid=334758427] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_bureaucratship/Juliancolton_2&diff=334896119&oldid=334893051]. The continuation of a [[WP:BATTLEGROUND]] state between Moreschi and anyone who showed any support for me. Battleground was a principle of the case and it was agreed by ArbCom that it applied to everyone. There was no ruling in the case that Moreschi's actions like the above would be accepted. Could the Arb clarify this matter.

2. Near the close of my case, [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Newyorkbrad#Re:_Wikipedia:Arbitration.2FRequests.2FCase.2FOttava_Rima_restrictions.2FProposed_decision.23Academic_sourcing I asked] about why Risker did not recuse from the case even though I filed an RfC against her for her involvement in Geogre/Utgard Loki's sock puppet harassment of me. I then mentioned that Moreschi deleted the RfC (which was part of the case) and that Unitanode, another friend of hers, was a restart account in violation of the sock puppetry guidelines as he had multiple accounts at the same time since 2007 and he also got into heated arguments with me under one of those names and was continuing those arguments on the new account. Risker proclaimed to ArbCom about who he was, but anyone with actual knowledge of his accounts would have seen an argument, thus making his claims to the contrary directly untrue (violating the cleanstart guidelines). These untruths were noticed by [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration_Committee/Noticeboard&diff=334061198&oldid=334014230 MzMcBride] in dealing with another matter, and Unitanode affected two people (myself and Mattisse) directly in a way that led to ArbCom cases. I would like clarification on Risker not recusing and on the information she revealed to ArbCom on Unitanode's previous history with myself and dozens of other editors that violate the sock puppetry guideline.

3. One of the central matters of the case was the Persian Empire page. Although claims were that Jehochman's restrictions started the case, there is no mention that this led to an RfAr filed on Persian Empire. Wizardman was the first person to start reverting the non-consensus removal of the Persian Empire page. Wizardman was also a member of #juliancolton IRC room and had almost daily conversations with me on the page. He advised me on the matter for two and a half months, up until the time it went to an ArbCom case. He consistently said on Wiki that I was right on the talk page of Persian Empire. [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case&diff=316918501&oldid=316896904 He recused] previously because of his involvement. I want clarification on if it was appropriate for him to not be recused on the later case and him also ignoring most of the matter he was involved in in the finding of facts when the rest of the case relied on the matter.

4. Jayron32 removed my email use claiming "harassing" emails. Seddon has checked and verified that there was no harassing content. John Vandenberg removed my talk page use claiming "outing". No oversighting has happened nor was there any information not directly connected to my own talk page history. Furthermore, the user's name alluded to was not the real name and was proven not to be the real name. This was known by all parties, and also known to those involved in the original dispute. I would request clarification on these two block additions without any request first for doing so.

5. I would like clarification as to why Rlevse personally came to me saying that there would be a proposal for a mentorship and then there later was none with Arbitrators like New York Brad saying there was no other option given.

6. I would like clarification as to the appropriateness of [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Moreschi/My_Archive_13#Hey... Coren] telling Moreschi to apply for ArbCom in the middle of a case and immediately following users chastising Moreschi for making personal attacks about my religious beliefs, the same beliefs that Moreschi was admonished over.

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From: Carcharoth <carcharothwp@googlemail.com>
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I though he was blocked? Still, it is nice of him to send it to us first.

If we want to respond privately, we should do so soon (and send him a
holding e-mail asking him to wait for our response). If we want to
respond in public, we should ask him to contact a clerk and get them
to post it for him. He seems to have successfully wiki-lawyered the
"no appeals for 6 months" bit from the case, and decided to raise cain
on the clarifications page instead. My view is that the 6-month thing
should be extended to clarifications, and he should be told that he is
welcome to post the below at the end of six months.

Unless that would look like we are trying to gag him. If it is better
to deal with it now, I can go with that as well.

Carcharoth

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From: Newyorkbrad (Wikipedia) <newyorkbrad@gmail.com>
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A banned user may not post anything except with our permission. If we
treat his e-mail as a request for permission my vote is to deny it.

Newyorkbrad

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From: Marc A. Pelletier <marc@uberbox.org>
Date: Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 12:21
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This is little but an attempt to complain about the decision by picking
nits in it or with anyone involved in it; it's a barely disguised appeal
and should be declined.

Ottava needs to disengage from enwp entirely for many months. Things
will only get worse for him otherwise (personally, and on-wiki); we
should discourage any attempts to hover around the process.

-- Coren / Marc

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Let him post (I'll be interested to see how he does that). I have no
issues with dealing with this publicly.

Roger

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Agree completely. He needs to disengage.

KL

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From: David Yellope <dyellope.wiki@gmail.com>
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How about this as a reply:

"As you should know, banned users are not allowed to post on en-WP, and their edits can be reverted by any user. We have considered this request you made as an appeal to your Arbitration Commitee ban and have declined it. It is our opinion, individually and as a group that you need to disengage here, serve out the terms that were previously specified, and then come back fresh."



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Very well put, and even better if it comes from someone who wasn't an
active arb during his case. Support.

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Frankly, I do think we should be putting our collective foot down. He is, currently, a banned user. He was banned, essentially, because of disruption. He is continuing to disrupt, to the point of threatening to violate his ban to do so. While I believe that the concept of fairness is important, it does not supercede the needs of the encyclopedia. There is no purpose to the clarification request unless people on this list are genuinely considering lifting or shortening the ban.

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From: David Yellope <dyellope.wiki@gmail.com>
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Needless to say, OR didn't take the message too well. He started going after me on Skype text chat and replying to my emails. He's now blocked from communicating with me on Skype, and his emails directly to another bin that I don't review too often.

Too bad there's no way to put a filter on the lists that would filter out the emails he's sending. Oh well, at least I tried.

David/SirFozzie


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I would be curious to see the emails he is sending. If he wants to dig himself a deeper hole then his ban can be extended...

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From: David Yellope <dyellope.wiki@gmail.com>
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I forwarded the log of the skype chat and the email chain to the mailing list.

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From: Fritz Poll <fritzpollwiki@googlemail.com>
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I've been getting e-mails for days from him on this subject, suggesting vast conspiracies on the part of Risker/Anne and requests from me to help him find the truth (yawn).

Essentially, I view this as an effort to muddy the waters of what was otherwise a straightforward ban for disruption. It is behaviour characteristic of that which led to the ban and that it continues does not bode well

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How does he suggest you find the "truth"?

KL

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From: Fritz Poll <fritzpollwiki@googlemail.com>
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Vague suggestions that there are arbcom-l archives that will show Risker is in cahoots with someone or the other. All tied up with the purported Unitanode connection. All nonsense.

Fred

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Has he asked you to send him anything or just for you to look?

KL

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Just a vague notion of looking. Since I have no immediate access to those archives anyway, it's a fairly pointless request.

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OK. You do, however, have access to the archives by virtue of being a member of this list.

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Ah, if I could work out the password to get in, then all would be well. I'm sure Risker has sent me an e-mail that I can't find. smile.gif

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The archives for the SDJ/Ecoleetage issue are from around January 17/09, primarily in a thread started by Newyorkbrad.

This running Geogre thing is also something of a pain in the neck. I don't quite know where to look for the declined cases, but I did make a statement at the declined RFAR at the end of July 2009, and did provide some further information to this mailing list end-June/early July.

Bottom line on the Geogre matter, it never occurred to me that the accounts were being used improperly until YellowMonkey posted on my page around March 17-18. I have never "followed" the edits of other users unless I'm actively working on something related to them (socking investigations, arbcom cases). I wanted to talk to Geogre about YM's post before doing anything else, but he wasn't around when I was looking. A few days later, my father suffered a life-threatening health problem that had him on death's doorstep for a week, in Intensive Care for 6 weeks, and in hospital for over 2 months. That quite simply knocked me out of almost everything for much of the spring, and by the time I was starting to resume a normal activity level, the Geogre thing had fallen right off my radar. Trust me when I say that comparatively speaking, people playing silly buggers on the internet pales in comparison to the real life "excitement" I've had in the past 14 months. (And yes, Dad is doing really, really well now.)

Incidentally, if Ottava does have copies of emails circulated on this list, I will be very disturbed.

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I would link to this, but accessing the archives has always involved
me having to look up a password, something I need to get to grips
with, as actually starting to link into the archives more regularly
would be useful.
The declined request (which was archived at rejected requests) is here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...ogre_and_Risker

Carcharoth

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What I did, and what I imagine others have done, is spend a few minutes to download the whole archive from the time before I was an arbitrator, pasting them month-by-month into a text file. If I want to know something, I just press ctrl-F and find it.

This means a lot of ex-arbs have copies, but since the search functionality disappeared after our first few weeks in office, there's no better way to find things.

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I can live with that. I can also answer publicly my part of the question about how mentoring got dropped, but Wiz would be best to fill in the ending part.

R

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How about this as a reply:


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Probably a given, but i'll recuse from Ottava things here on out, partially because I don't have stomach for it right now, but mostly because this way I can't be accused of backwoods orchestrating some evil plot to keep him banned.
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And yes he needs to learn banned means banned.

R

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Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 12:39 PM

Frankly, I do think we should be putting our collective foot down. He is, currently, a banned user. He was banned, essentially, because of disruption. He is continuing to disrupt, to the point of threatening to violate his ban to do so. While I believe that the concept of fairness is important, it does not supercede the needs of the encyclopedia. There is no purpose to the clarification request unless people on this list are genuinely considering lifting or shortening the ban.

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I just re-read the log, and where he's accusing Risker of harrassing him (or enabling harassing, etcetera), "There's laws against that, you know". Is it me or is that at least right on the line of NLT?

I'd be willing to post a motion on the arb-wiki come January 1, something like the following:

"For continued disruption, threats, and behavioral issues, the ban on Ottava Rima is extended indefinitely. ArbCom will hear appeals on this ban no sooner then June 1, 2010."

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Has ArbCom ever banned anybody indefinitely? I'm fully behind Ottava's ban, but given the kinds of people who have cross ArbCom's threshold in the past, I'm not sure that he should be the first one we indef.

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From: Kenneth Kua/ArbCom <kenneth@planetkh.com>
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ArbCom has banned several users indef :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:BAN...nite%20duration

Kenneth/MD

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Just to give you all a heads-up, my ignorance of really basic questions like that is likely to become a pattern. Thanks, Kenneth.

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The case closed on December 20, so six months would be June 20, 2010. Please let's not make it any sooner. I'd suggest adding that the unban conditions from the original case will apply to any and all unban, amendment, or clarification requests from Ottava Rima.

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Arbcom has banned people indef. Not at all unheard of.

R

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2009/12/30 David Yellope <dyellope.wiki@gmail.com>

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I haven't reviewed enough mailing list archives to get any real feel for what's normal tone-wise on these lists, but I'm not sure I find it appropriate or helpful for arbs to refer to parties to cases as "downright paranoid". While we're out of the community's eye, I think we should as much as possible confine the advantage we take of that fact to the information we disclose, rather than the tone we adopt. We probably can't do much to eliminate the perception that we're plotting against assorted editors in backchannels, but we can make sure it's as unjustified as possible.

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No. This is an issue that have to deal with. The G word is not far away and it's only a matter of time when it'll come back for us.
I don't think it was ever clarified what the "G word" is. Cool Hand Luke noted his confusion, though.
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Wow.

I am almost sickened.

I know for a fact that I never said anything about Brad or Jayeron32 -ever- to John. The fact that he would lie so incredibly blatantly and put forth such an outrageously skewed story (instead of, say, putting forth the emails and letting others read) just shows how corrupt of an individual he is.


However, it was proven that not only did Unitanode have many names, but many of the people involved were involved. It was also proven that pointing out that Unitanode was someone I fought with before was not oversightable and that John was clearly wrong to act in that way.


As a note, I got a lot of emails on this thread. I wasn't happy with that.

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As a note, I got a lot of emails on this thread. I wasn't happy with that.


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Just to give you all a heads-up, my ignorance of really basic questions like that is likely to become a pattern.


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Was there a (public) story behind Steve's resignation that I missed? He wasn't edited at all since; was somewhat interesting to see.
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I know for a fact that I never said anything about Brad or Jayeron32 -ever- to John. The fact that he would lie so incredibly blatantly and put forth such an outrageously skewed story (instead of, say, putting forth the emails and letting others read) just shows how corrupt of an individual he is.


Hey, John lied when he said he never knew about the whole Law/Undertow thing (after Keegan acknowledged giving John the information). What do you expect from that guy? hrmph.gif


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From: Steve Smith <stevethearbitrator@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 16:21
To: English Arbitration Committee mailing list <arbcom-l@lists.wikimedia.org>


Just to give you all a heads-up, my ignorance of really basic questions like that is likely to become a pattern.


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Was there a (public) story behind Steve's resignation that I missed? He wasn't edited at all since; was somewhat interesting to see.


He offered to quit after he was caught plagiarizing, but I thought that he stayed on at the urging of Arbcom (which was home to other plagiarists including Roger Davies and Rlvese). unsure.gif
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QUOTE(Ottava @ Mon 27th June 2011, 12:18pm) *

As a note, I got a lot of emails on this thread. I wasn't happy with that.

But look on the bright side: we love having you here! boing.gif

Good to see you alive and well, at least. smile.gif

Just out of curiosity Ottava: were the emails from WR regulars, or from non-WR Wikipeople? I suspect there's probably some phishing going on to try to sucker somebody into doing a DMCA, and if so you'd likely be a target. hrmph.gif
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QUOTE(A Horse With No Name @ Mon 27th June 2011, 4:52pm) *

QUOTE(Ottava @ Mon 27th June 2011, 12:18pm) *

As a note, I got a lot of emails on this thread. I wasn't happy with that.
But look on the bright side: we love having you here! boing.gif

Horsey: you harrassed a person in RL.

Then you did everything to support Ottavas continued attacks on the same person, online, and here on WR.

Pot; meet HUGE black kettle. dry.gif
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QUOTE(SB_Johnny @ Mon 27th June 2011, 12:18pm) *

QUOTE(A Horse With No Name @ Mon 27th June 2011, 12:52pm) *

QUOTE(Ottava @ Mon 27th June 2011, 12:18pm) *

As a note, I got a lot of emails on this thread. I wasn't happy with that.

But look on the bright side: we love having you here! boing.gif

Good to see you alive and well, at least. smile.gif

Just out of curiosity Ottava: were the emails from WR regulars, or from non-WR Wikipeople? I suspect there's probably some phishing going on to try to sucker somebody into doing a DMCA, and if so you'd likely be a target. hrmph.gif



Of the people who emailed me, one was horse, one was another WR regular that I was friendly with, and one was a sitting Arb. I replied to only those. The others I ignored.

This will be my last post, but I was very unhappy to not only have a flooded inbox with this crap but to also see how far some people would go to lie like that and protect some of the most nasty of behaviors.



P.S. The Adversary - I am sadden by your characterization. At no time did I actively seek Unitanode or any of his names out. Instead, he always came after me, targeted me, etc, on multiples of his sock names and tried to get me banned under 3 of those names.

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QUOTE(Ottava @ Mon 27th June 2011, 5:52pm) *
P.S. The Adversary - I am sadden by your characterization. At no time did I actively seek Unitanode or any of his names out. Instead, he always came after me, targeted me, etc, on multiples of his sock names and tried to get me banned under 3 of those names.
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Whatever.

Ottova: you seem to have moved on from wp/wr -- which is something I applaud. One easily loose perspective in the artificial wiki-world; tiny foolishness can appear enormous. And vice versa. It reminds me of going into a circus/tivoli where they have these mirrors where you appear a huge fat barrel one moment--and a thin twig the next.

Whatever you are doing now (beyond wp/wr ); I wish you best of luck. Seriously.

Cheers.
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QUOTE(NuclearWarfare @ Mon 27th June 2011, 1:55pm) *
Was there a (public) story behind Steve's resignation that I missed? He wasn't edited at all since; was somewhat interesting to see.
No public story, and not much of a private one, either.

(I have nothing to do with this leak and don't check anything Wikipedia related anymore. My presence in this thread at this moment was on account of a Wikipedia-related acquaintance asking me if I had any idea how "this" happened, to which my response was "What?")

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Unitanode is formerly known as SDJ (S. Dean Jameson), and has had prior accounts as well. See the WPuser page on the arbwiki.

Can someone explain to me what that means? There pages for troublesome persons? Do they have categories like [[Category:Trolls born before 1970]] or [[Category:Religious zealot]]?
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"Tell your dog to leave me alone."

http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/User:John_V...misc/2011-02-01
http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Wikiversity...sc.2F2011-02-01

Ottava on Jack ;> (no, John didn't put my up to anything, and I had Ottava's best wishes re the Horace stuff). --Jack
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QUOTE(Ottava @ Mon 27th June 2011, 5:52pm) *

QUOTE(SB_Johnny @ Mon 27th June 2011, 12:18pm) *

QUOTE(A Horse With No Name @ Mon 27th June 2011, 12:52pm) *

QUOTE(Ottava @ Mon 27th June 2011, 12:18pm) *

As a note, I got a lot of emails on this thread. I wasn't happy with that.

But look on the bright side: we love having you here! boing.gif

Good to see you alive and well, at least. smile.gif

Just out of curiosity Ottava: were the emails from WR regulars, or from non-WR Wikipeople? I suspect there's probably some phishing going on to try to sucker somebody into doing a DMCA, and if so you'd likely be a target. hrmph.gif



Of the people who emailed me, one was horse, one was another WR regular that I was friendly with, and one was a sitting Arb. I replied to only those. The others I ignored.

This will be my last post, but I was very unhappy to not only have a flooded inbox with this crap but to also see how far some people would go to lie like that and protect some of the most nasty of behaviors.



P.S. The Adversary - I am sadden by your characterization. At no time did I actively seek Unitanode or any of his names out. Instead, he always came after me, targeted me, etc, on multiples of his sock names and tried to get me banned under 3 of those names.

Come on Ottava,
When is your REAL last post going to be?
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QUOTE(Vigilant @ Wed 7th September 2011, 5:06am) *

Come on Ottava,
When is your REAL last post going to be?

A fella could be excused for thinking that you really want Ottava to go away. Was there a rough and painful butt-hurting roudez-vous that we don't need details about? dry.gif
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Looking in retrospect:

The information I had regarding Risker was connecting her to three sock masters - Geogre (already did before), Unitanode (was doing on my user page when John emailed in, and was what I was talking to John about) and Jack Merridew.

My information would have been putting all three out at the same time.


It would have also coincided with my pointing out the plagiarism done by multiple arbs. Carcaroth and Roger Davies was information I shared with Ironholds and was put out there when FlyingToaster was attacked by Roger Davies as a plagiarist. I held onto information about Steve Smith and worked with KnightLago to clear up his plagiarism privately. I held onto Rlevse except to a few key people like SandyGeorgia and other FAC people.

There were some other scattered problems. I originally planned to release them all at once. I backed down after the DC Meetup and talking to some people. I decided that simple revenge wouldn't have done much and probably wouldn't have amounted to much of anything. In retrospect, it wouldn't have as much of the plagiarism was dismissed and the socks were seen as no problem.


The Rlevse and Jack Merridew problems over the past year are verification of that. I assumed that people would have cared about socking and plagiarism, but to be honest no one really does.



John did misstate what I said to him (exaggerating by adding more names than what I ever even considered). Folantin did verify my claims that he was stalking me by admitting that he was following my IRC movements well before there was even a case, and he also sent out personal information about me while mocking me.

Fun times.

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QUOTE(Ottava @ Thu 29th November 2012, 9:27pm) *

Looking in retrospect:

Hey, why are you complaining about me now?
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QUOTE(A Horse With No Name @ Mon 27th June 2011, 4:52pm) *

QUOTE(Ottava @ Mon 27th June 2011, 12:18pm) *

As a note, I got a lot of emails on this thread. I wasn't happy with that.


But look on the bright side: we love having you here! boing.gif

{{fact}}
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QUOTE(Jay @ Tue 26th February 2013, 12:27pm) *

QUOTE(A Horse With No Name @ Mon 27th June 2011, 4:52pm) *

QUOTE(Ottava @ Mon 27th June 2011, 12:18pm) *

As a note, I got a lot of emails on this thread. I wasn't happy with that.


But look on the bright side: we love having you here! boing.gif

{{fact}}

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