SlimVirgin's new presentation on "Cyberstalking", ...does she mean "her" cyberstalking or other cyberstalking? Options

[the fieryangel]

File this under "hmmmm"....

Off of "foundation-l"

From: wikimediameta-l-bounces at lists.wikimedia.org
[mailto:wikimediameta-l-bounces at lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Slim
Virgin
Sent: Monday, September 03, 2007 10:25 PM
To: wikimediameta-l at lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: [Wikimediameta-l] Wikimedia and cyberstalking

I'm writing a paper on cyberstalking and harassment, which I hope to
hand to the Foundation with a view to educating people about the
extent of the problem on the Wikimedia projects, and if possible
improving their responses to it.

I'd like to include some concrete examples of cyberstalking or offline
stalking that have happened to users as a result of their
participation in any of the Wikimedia projects, and particularly where
the target was picked on because they were an administrator.

If you've been a target of this yourself, or if you know of anyone who
has, I'd appreciate hearing from you at slimvirgin at gmail dot com.
All replies will be received in strictest confidence. Your name would
not have to be included in the final document, and if you're worried
about being exposed in any way, I can change all identifying details.
Nothing will be included about you without your express permission.

What I'm most interested in hearing about is how the cyberstalking or
harassment made you feel, and what happened when you tried to find
support. I'd like to hear about your fears; whether it made you
anxious; whether it affected your sleep or appetite, or your health in
any other way; and whether you considered ending your association with
the project you were involved in (or did end it). Even if your fears
felt completely irrational, I'd like to hear about them.

I'd also like to hear from women who feel they were subjected to
additional harassment because of their sex, or from gays and members
of ethnic minorities who feel they were picked on in whole or in part
because of that.

Many thanks,

Sarah

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Sheez, most of you probably think of me as a pinko leftism neo-feminist, but she's really got some nerve to ask about "women" and "gays" feeling specific harassment.

Where's Camila Paglia when you need her???

[blissyu2]

Lots of people reading this, not many people replying. Have we already said all that can be said?

[LamontStormstar]

Lots of people reading this, not many people replying. Have we already said all that can be said?

Maybe we can do thorough and detailed research on how she has been and is behind cyberstalking and make a blog post on it.


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[blissyu2]

Lots of people reading this, not many people replying. Have we already said all that can be said?

Maybe we can do thorough and detailed research on how she has been and is behind cyberstalking and make a blog post on it.

Well, on Wikipedia I wasn't cyberstalked, I think the correct term is "cyberbullied". SlimVirgin herself didn't do it - but she encouraged it, and supported them doing it, and then she protected them afterwards. Of course another example was Malber. SlimVirgin didn't ask Malber to harass Selina, but when Malber started to, SlimVirgin supported him doing it.

I don't know if we can go so far as to say that SlimVirgin is responsible for cyber stalking, because it doesn't seem to happen very much on Wikipedia full stop (not from what I can tell). But we can say that she is a part of the structure that exists on Wikipedia to support cyber stalking, which is just waiting for someone to abuse it.

[Jonny Cache]

Lots of people reading this, not many people replying. Have we already said all that can be said?

Maybe we can do thorough and detailed research on how she has been and is behind cyberstalking and make a blog post on it.

Well, on Wikipedia I wasn't cyberstalked, I think the correct term is "cyberbullied". SlimVirgin herself didn't do it — but she encouraged it, and supported them doing it, and then she protected them afterwards. Of course another example was Malber. SlimVirgin didn't ask Malber to harass Selina, but when Malber started to, SlimVirgin supported him doing it.

I don't know if we can go so far as to say that SlimVirgin is responsible for cyber stalking, because it doesn't seem to happen very much on Wikipedia full stop (not from what I can tell). But we can say that she is a part of the structure that exists on Wikipedia to support cyber stalking, which is just waiting for someone to abuse it.

These are good observations.

The next question to ask is the one that I always ask next — Why?

What does the protégé bully get and what does the patron protector get in the connivance between the two?

Jonny (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/cool.gif)

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[blissyu2]

These are good observations.

The next question to ask is the one that I always ask next — Why?

What does the protégé bully get and what does the patron protector get in the connivance between the two?

Jonny (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/cool.gif)

In the Lulu case, the bully and the protector both got to control their precious articles, and got power out of it, something that they both wanted. Its pretty simple stuff. In some cases, SlimVirgin plays victim and gets knights in shining armour to protect her, hence the knights get the feeling that they are doing something good by doing it, and don't realise what is really going on.

It's on foundation-l too, (clicky) and I sort of expect it to show up elsewhere.

It has quite a few replies already:

Delirium seems to think that it is a biased study that will never get accurate results.

Brianna suggested it was reasonable though

SlimVirgin suggested that cyber stalking was a big problem

George Herbert agreed with Delirium that it was a biased study

So will this catch on more? Will it get to WikiEN-l too?

Anyways, that will teach her to solicit emails, blissy emailed her! Look out Linda!

She didn't reply, but I CC'ed Armed Blowfish, and Armed Blowfish replied.

I think that this is akin to a cyber stalker making a page saying how awful it is that they are being stalked, so as to distract from what they are doing. "I'm not doing anything wrong! See here, there's proof!"

Same kind of thing really. I think it is an attempt to illicit sympathy for her, and has no genuine aspect to it.

[Jonny Cache]

These are good observations.

The next question to ask is the one that I always ask next — Why?

What does the protégé bully get and what does the patron protector get in the connivance between the two?

Jonny (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/cool.gif)

In the Lulu case, the bully and the protector both got to control their precious articles, and got power out of it, something that they both wanted. Its pretty simple stuff. In some cases, SlimVirgin plays victim and gets knights in shining armour to protect her, hence the knights get the feeling that they are doing something good by doing it, and don't realise what is really going on.

My guess would be that the protégé gets — just like the word protégé says, protection — a limited immunity from prosecution for acts of aggression toward others. Maybe the protégé gets the ego-juice of believing he or she is doing something good. But we are talking about a bully here. There has got to be more to it than a feeling of doing something good. The bully gets to vent feelings of personal frustration on others who are weaker. And notice how the weak are made, not born — they are made weak precisely because they do not get the protection of the protector.

But all of this only raises the question — frustration about what?

As to the question of what the patron protector gets in the bargain, "Knights In Shining Armour" (KISA) is right on target, "a veritable hit", as they say. In feudal times (not all that different from our wikipheudal times), they called that fealty, in a word, loyalty — and in the bargain the incumbent pledge of service that the vassal owed to the local overlord for the promise of protection.

But do you really think that being lord-lady and master-mistress over some zoo full of pet articles is really the end of it? Or is that merely the means to a more grandiose end?

So the next question is — toward the greater glory of what?

Jonny (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/cool.gif)

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