FORUM WARNING [2] Division by zero (Line: 2933 of /srcsgcaop/boardclass.php)
Durova denies everything -
     
 
The Wikipedia Review: A forum for discussion and criticism of Wikipedia
Wikipedia Review Op-Ed Pages

Welcome, Guest! ( Log In | Register )

> Durova denies everything, She's not a federal agent, she just plays one on Wikipedia
Disillusioned Lackey
post
Post #1


Unregistered









Well, yes. Durova doesn't work for the FBI, she says. Well, maybe her picture of Mata Hari is a good metaphor.

Mata Hari was such an INCOMPETENT COUNTERINTELLIGENCE AGENT that she was caught, and
shot by firing squad.


MATA HARI: Drama. Self-aggrandizement. Life rending messup. Blood on the wall.

Whereas I did not presume Durova to be a spy....

...MH sounds an awful lot like Durova, after all....
(IMG:http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm3/jimboswish/DefnotDurova.jpg)

This post has been edited by Disillusioned Lackey:
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
 
Reply to this topicStart new topic
Replies
DevilYouKnow
post
Post #2


New Member
*

Group: Contributors
Posts: 44
Joined:
Member No.: 5,832



I'm a little confused. Let's assume Durova works for the FBI, DHS, NSA, SMERSH, etc. What's the point? Is the theory that Jimbo's condoning Durova's nuttiness because the feds are trying to accomplish some secret objective on Wikipedia via Durova's ownership of the Joan of Arc and Nadezhda Durova articles? Or that the feds were embarrased by her online efforts? Or that she was wasting taxpayer resources by playing Wikipedia all day instead of doing her job (whatever that might be)? (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/unsure.gif)
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
Disillusioned Lackey
post
Post #3


Unregistered









QUOTE(DevilYouKnow @ Thu 24th April 2008, 11:57pm) *

I'm a little confused. Let's assume Durova works for the FBI, DHS, NSA, SMERSH, etc. What's the point? Is the theory that Jimbo's condoning Durova's nuttiness because the feds are trying to accomplish some secret objective on Wikipedia via Durova's ownership of the Joan of Arc and Nadezhda Durova articles? Or that the feds were embarrased by her online efforts? Or that she was wasting taxpayer resources by playing Wikipedia all day instead of doing her job (whatever that might be)? (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/unsure.gif)

Actually, those points Devilyouknow made were spot-on.

The objective of those agencies is to use Wikipedia by the above agencies, as a tool for finding out who thinks what, and who writes what, and who believes what, above and beyond reading what's in your email and on your computer. Wikipedia is a big "whiteboard" where people often edit articles which reference their political beliefs. And knowing everyone's political beliefs, I'm sorry to say, these days, is very important to some of the above groups.

"Big brother" is kind of an understatement.

This post has been edited by Disillusioned Lackey:
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
Count DeMonet
post
Post #4


Upper Gallery peanut sniper
***

Group: Contributors
Posts: 156
Joined:
From: Sector ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha
Member No.: 5,314



User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
Proabivouac
post
Post #5


Bane of all wikiland
*******

Group: Contributors
Posts: 2,246
Joined:
Member No.: 2,647



You've got that one picture of my hometown in the mix.

The the tar tar pits. ("The La Brea tar pits.")
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
Disillusioned Lackey
post
Post #6


Unregistered









QUOTE(Proabivouac @ Sat 26th April 2008, 6:41am) *

You've got that one picture of my hometown in the mix.

The the tar tar pits. ("The La Brea tar pits.")

Pro, "as we both know well", Durova has been calling you and whinging (whining) to you. . I've seen her do this to so many people, i.e. pandering for sympathetic support, while continuing to hurt people. You are the lastest (excuse me) sucker to lobby on her behalf (the Brandt-Broer honeymoon was famously short, and the breakup embarassingly public).
You wrote me a private message, offering to "negotiate with Durova"[/color], and you got my answer, so now the apparent effort is to remove any such discussion about her. Which begs the question, I hasten to add - why does she care? If she works at Walmart, or for BigHiTech Inc, or whatever, then the aforementioned assertions above are irrelevant and 'whackjob-related' and "so what"? I think the backdoor negotiations are going on precisely because there is truth in the assertions, and either you are naiive, or you know it damned well. My guess is that you are naiive. You've been at odds with her, and you'd like to work you way back in the fold. Fair enough.

Tell her to go back through her entire history, and to erase every false accusation she's made against every person on the planet, and then apologize to each and every one, including but not limited to TH, the Congressional guy, and then this gets tar pitted - but only on the stated promise that she goes and sins no more.

There's your negotiation, Pro. She'll never do it, as it involves apologizing and admitting bad behavior, two things at which she is notoriously bad - even moreso than at sleuthing. And Lise's sliming of Kohs two days ago (online Skype chat) is evidence that she can't stop attacking people - veiled attacks, unveiled attacks - she loves kicking people in the face online. She can't quit being aggressive any more than she can quit editing Wikipedia. The former is who she is, the latter what gives her life meaning. I hasten to emphasize: if Lise Broer did NOT work for a government investigative body, we would be having this conversation. Period.

If she keeps bugging you**, tell her to give me a call. She knows who I am. You didn't even have to tell her, did you? Hm? Failing that, tell her to get control of herself, in whatever fashion possible. Stat.

**pun intended

This post has been edited by Disillusioned Lackey:
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
Proabivouac
post
Post #7


Bane of all wikiland
*******

Group: Contributors
Posts: 2,246
Joined:
Member No.: 2,647



QUOTE(Disillusioned Lackey @ Sat 26th April 2008, 3:32pm) *

Pro, "as we both know well", Durova has been calling you and whinging (whining) for you to negotiate on her behalf .

No, she left a message on my user talk page to patch things up between Durova and Proabivouac. She's never even mentioned you.

QUOTE

You wrote me a private message, offering to "negotiate with Durova"[/color], and you got my answer, so now the apparent effort is to remove any such discussion about her.

I have nothing to do with any efforts to remove this discussion, as the moderators can attest…although now that you mention it, I suppose I would support it at this point - it can always be restored when some actual evidence is brought forth.

I'm surprised and disappointed that you would refer to my PM here (which you misquoted) and equally surprised that you'd cast a friendly genuinely benevolent offer in such a negative light. My motive was simply that I don't enjoy seeing you upset.

By all means, fight on, don't let me interrupt anything…

This post has been edited by Proabivouac:
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
Disillusioned Lackey
post
Post #8


Unregistered









QUOTE(Proabivouac @ Sat 26th April 2008, 11:46pm) *

I'm surprised and disappointed that you would refer to my PM here (which you misquoted) and equally surprised that you'd cast a friendly genuinely benevolent offer in such a negative light. My motive was simply that I don't enjoy seeing you upset.

The three words "friendly", "benevolent", and "Durova" dont belong in the same sentence.

I apologize if I offended you in any manner. I do think that your efforts here are misplaced.
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post

Posts in this topic
Disillusioned Lackey   Durova denies everything  
wikiwhistle   But suddenly, as the highest levels of some-certa...  
guy   Someone on WR has outed her, if she is indeed in i...  
wikiwhistle   People working in intelligence will sometimes get ...  
Disillusioned Lackey   Someone on WR has outed her, if she is indeed in ...  
Moulton   Given Durova's penchant for 'sleuthing...  
Disillusioned Lackey   But that's utter speculation, unsupported by...  
Moulton   But that's utter speculation, unsupported by a...  
Disillusioned Lackey   [quote name='Moulton' post='94770' date='Mon 21st...  
wikiwhistle   Given Durova's penchant for 'sleuthing...  
Disillusioned Lackey   She wouldn't then boast about her sleuthing p...  
wikiwhistle   Remember. This is the "queen" of jour...  
Disillusioned Lackey   If she really has been taken on by some security ...  
Moulton   Of coure. If you want me to believe a thesis, you...  
Disillusioned Lackey   Fair enough.  
Moulton   Somehow I have trouble thinking of Durova as Wikip...  
Disillusioned Lackey   Somehow I have trouble thinking of Durova as Wiki...  
Cla68   The FBI and several other agencies are often in ne...  
Proabivouac   DL, Durova told me point blank that she has nothin...  
Moulton   For those who may have missed it, she denies it ca...  
Cla68   I believe that she's telling the truth. The e...  
Moulton   Maybe we can ask Durova to conduct an FBI-style in...  
Disillusioned Lackey   Maybe we can ask Durova to conduct an FBI-style i...  
Moulton   Of course not. It's a comic opera.  
wikiwhistle   It did intrigue me when I first saw her userpage, ...  
Disillusioned Lackey   It did intrigue me when I first saw her userpage,...  
KStreetSlave   I was more skeptical than most of DL's claims...  
wikiwhistle   I was more skeptical than most of DL's claim...  
Moulton   If there's any truth to it at all, DL, I would...  
Disillusioned Lackey   If there's any truth to it at all, DL, I woul...  
Disillusioned Lackey   I think it bears noting, that a few months (even w...  
Moulton   It occurs to me that there are more than a few her...  
Disillusioned Lackey   It occurs to me that there are more than a few he...  
KamrynMatika   Sorry, still haven't seen any evidence. This i...  
Disillusioned Lackey   Sorry, still haven't seen any evidence. This ...  
KamrynMatika   Sorry, still haven't seen any evidence. This...  
wikiwhistle   So, when will we know? :)  
Moulton   Where I come from (the academic and scientific com...  
wikiwhistle   What I mean by "when will we know?" is, ...  
Moulton   Kamryn is right. It's an unethical practice, ...  
Disillusioned Lackey   What I heard was that she works for the part of th...  
Moulton   Dammit. I meant to ask her about that during our ...  
Disillusioned Lackey   Ok. Done. I took it off. (I still believe it) ...  
Moulton   Thank you.  
Disillusioned Lackey   The going theory is that Durova lures random innoc...  
Somey   I'm a little confused. Let's assume Durov...  
Disillusioned Lackey   [quote name='DevilYouKnow' post='96137' date='Thu...  
Somey   She also reportedly has a [b]laser pointer gun tha...  
Disillusioned Lackey   SOMEY! How dare you produce that picture with...  
Kato   I'm a little confused. Let's assume Duro...  
Disillusioned Lackey   See Devilwenowknow, this is the endgame. Not the ...  
DevilYouKnow   I heard DevilYouDon'tKnow is a sockpuppet of ...  
Milton Roe   You've got that one picture of my hometown in...  


Reply to this topicStart new topic
1 User(s) are reading this topic (1 Guests and 0 Anonymous Users)
0 Members:

 

-   Lo-Fi Version Time is now: