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> Outrageous, ArbCom puts field hand Giano in his place
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My earlier comment,
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“Against this backdrop, the predictable refrain "let's get back to editing" translates as a command for proles to leave the palatial grounds of the noticeboards and get back to work while administrators call the shots.”

http://wikipediareview.com/index.php?s=&sh...indpost&p=62131


proves uncannily prescient, as the Arbitration Committee considers this finding:

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“For a period of one year, Giano may not participate in any of the pages of the "Wikipedia:" or "Wikipedia talk" namespaces, except for civil discussion related to featured articles.”

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=174409847
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QUOTE(Proabivouac @ Wed 28th November 2007, 7:29pm) *

My earlier comment,
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“Against this backdrop, the predictable refrain "let's get back to editing" translates as a command for proles to leave the palatial grounds of the noticeboards and get back to work while administrators call the shots.”

http://wikipediareview.com/index.php?s=&sh...indpost&p=62131


proves uncannily prescient, as the Arbitration Committee considers this finding:

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“For a period of one year, Giano may not participate in any of the pages of the "Wikipedia:" or "Wikipedia talk" namespaces, except for civil discussion related to featured articles.”

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=174409847



I guess that would preclude his serving on ArbCom.
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Apparently Giano has been engaged in wimpy disruption. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/laugh.gif) I still think this whole thing might have been a scam to rule Giano out of the Arbcom.
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QUOTE(jorge @ Wed 28th November 2007, 6:51pm) *

Apparently Giano has been engaged in wimpy disruption. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/laugh.gif) I still think this whole thing might have been a scam to rule Giano out of the Arbcom.

Since Jimbo has final say, he was already out, no?

This is just a slap in the face, to put him in his place for insulting said God-king.
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QUOTE(jorge @ Wed 28th November 2007, 7:51pm) *

Apparently Giano has been engaged in wimpy disruption. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/laugh.gif) I still think this whole thing might have been a scam to rule Giano out of the Arbcom.


So far it is only a proposed remedy and no ArbCom member has adopted it. But I think Fred will support it. I don't know who else might.
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They have a good excuse:
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“We are not capable of dispensing truth or justice."

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=174494695

Other Wikipedians have proven fully capable of dispensing both truth and justice - the one they're condemning here comes to mind - so why not get out of the way and let them give it a shot? This disclaimer is pathetic.

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QUOTE(Proabivouac @ Wed 28th November 2007, 8:06pm) *

They have a good excuse:
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“We are not capable of dispensing truth or justice."

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=174494695

Other Wikipedians have proven fully capable of dispensing both truth and justice - the one they're condemning here comes to mind - so why not get out of the way and let them give it a shot? This disclaimer is pathetic.


Isn't "protecting the encyclopedia" without respect to "truth or justice" exactly what Durova did?
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THEN WHAT ARE YOU CAPABLE OF, SIR?[/b]
Regardless, this action delayed and complicated any action the committee might have taken by taking a straight-forward case of administrator misconduct and transforming it into some of a power-struggle; the comments made by many over the last few days leave no doubt that many editors see the matter in those terms. This did not have to happen; this is not the first time this has happened. This committee is empowered to resolve disputes according to the policies by which this project is governed. We are not a political institution. We are not capable of dispensing truth or justice. We exist to protect the encyclopedia and maintain the conditions necessary for collaborative editing. If it is necessary to flout our core policies to keep this committee "honest" then all is lost and I cannot endorse such a position.


Well, in a nutshell, since Durova got the big whopper, and since !! is a saint, then Giano had to pay. It an't all run against favor of the ruling party.

let's parse here.

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taking a straight-forward case of administrator misconduct and transforming it into some of a power-struggle;
No, sorry. The problem was that the behavior, and its having been condoned, is part of a systematic problem, and your consistent refusal to deal with that is what you now call a power struggle. It is you sir, with the power, who are making the struggle. And that struggle is with reality, and truth (which you admit you can't deal well with, nor honesty - wow, WHAT a Freudian slip, God almighty)

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This committee is empowered to resolve disputes according to the policies by which this project is governed.
Look Mackensen-Hancock-Jefferson-speechmaker. No one asked you to rewrite the Magna Carta. You simply have to reference the rules (not even follow them according to Ignore all rules), and try to be fair. That is part and parcel of protecting the encyclopedic environment, but you go on to say...
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We are not a political institution. We are not capable of dispensing truth or justice. We exist to protect the encyclopedia and maintain the conditions necessary for collaborative editing.
Are only political institutions required to be fair, transparent, and not lie? To not exact cruelty? Because when I was in a scout troop, it wasn't a political institution, and there were rules, but no one performed gross acts of injustice and then whined that they weren't a political institution, as if this would have excused gross unfairness, which it does not. Neither did it excuse the Catholic Church from condoning gross acts of injustice, and the Catholic Church is also not a political institution. And by the way WHAT have you been smoking, Sir Platitudes??

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We are not capable of dispensing truth or justice. We exist to protect the encyclopedia and maintain the conditions necessary for collaborative editing.
Dear Mr. Fallacious Logic: Do you contend that these two sentences are mutually exclusive? Because that is how this reads. Explain pls thx.

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If it is necessary to flout our core policies to keep this committee "honest" then all is lost and I cannot endorse such a position.

You are making NO sense, Mr. Mackensen. What core policies have you flouted to keep your committee honest? I though that the issue here was that in being DISHONEST, you had flouted the committee (and the community's) policies. That's the point isn't it? And you are on that list, Mr. Mackensen, the secret list which made all those backdoor decisions, aren't you Mr. Mackensen. So is this why Mr. Mackensen, you are spouting out sentences which back to back make no logical sense whatsoever?

What core policy allows you to perform judgements without due process? I know you are arguing against transparency, Mr. Mackensen, but what you are really doing is claiming that the core policy of the committee is secrecy, collusion, backhandedness, cronyism and corruption.[/b] And since you are being asked to stop performing these, you feel that "all is lost"

MR MACKENSEN. ALL THAT IS LOST IS YOUR FACE. RESIGN ARBCOM, and GIVE IT BACK SOME DIGNITY.

Other people can manage truth and honesty just fine, if you feel overly challenged and not up to the task.

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Proposed sanction now stands at 3/1/1 with Fred, jpgordon and Mackensen supporting. Paul August opposes. UnivitedCompany abstains. Who else is going to vote for political repression?
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QUOTE(GlassBeadGame @ Thu 29th November 2007, 2:18am) *

Proposed sanction now stands at 3/1/1 with Fred, jpgordon and Mackensen supporting. Paul August opposes. UnivitedCompany abstains. Who else is going to vote for political repression?


Jpgordon just did:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=174499520

Unsurprising, as Jpgordon is himself a participant in the mailing list, to whom Durova's secret evidence aggainst User:!! was circulated.
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QUOTE(GlassBeadGame @ Wed 28th November 2007, 8:18pm) *

Proposed sanction now stands at 3/1/1 with Fred, jpgordon and Mackensen supporting. Paul August opposes. UnivitedCompany abstains. Who else is going to vote for political repression?


Well, duh. Jpgordon and Mackensen are on the CORRUPT list. (oops i meant the sekrit list)

And Fred? Well, let's not go there.

Of course Mackensen+jpgordon want to punish Giano. Someone on the other side has to go down, if Durova did.

So says the corrupt Arbcom Committee that Durova so steadfastly trusted to protect her in any situation..

.. but could not under strong public scrutiny.

Ergo Giano must PAY.
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3/2/1 with Kirill now opposing.
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3/3/1
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Sadly, Giano is likely to receive some penalty. The ArbCom is split on the degree of the penalty, but all of them seem to agree that he needs a penalty of some kind, except for Paul August, who, bless his soul, appears firmly opposed to all of it.
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Surely just remaining on Wikipedia is penalty enough? (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/unsure.gif)
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QUOTE(Somey @ Thu 29th November 2007, 7:22am) *

Surely just remaining on Wikipedia is penalty enough? (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/unsure.gif)

No, it's a privilege to contribute featured articles for Wikipedia. That's why Uninvited Company linked to:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=174534752

Being an administrator is more like a burden. Serving on Arbitration Committee is noblesse oblige. Not a privilege at all. No "vested contributors" here. These are the slaves to virtue who make the joys of mainspace possible.

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QUOTE(jorge @ Wed 28th November 2007, 7:51pm) *

Apparently Giano has been engaged in wimpy disruption. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/laugh.gif) I still think this whole thing might have been a scam to rule Giano out of the Arbcom.

at least Fred didn't suggest redirecting User:Giano_II to wimp. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/rolleyes.gif)

not yet anyway..
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PL - can you knock up an article on Mackensen on Wikiquote?


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Well, duh. Jpgordon and Mackensen are on the CORRUPT list. (oops i meant the sekrit list)

We shouldn't insult Mackensen; he is an editor here in good standing. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/happy.gif)
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This will be controversial, but I actually like Mackensen. He is one of the more accessible arbs, and he always has some solid reasoning behind his arbitrator actions even if I disagree with the conclusions drawn.
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Has anyone seen this "remedy"???

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2.1) Any remedy which restricts Giano from the Wikipedia namespace shall be suspended until the conclusion of the ArbCom elections, and will be lifted should Giano be appointed to the Committee.


For the moment, this is 4/0/0/0, but....I'm just speechless. If he wins the election, then he gets off? If he doesn't, then he's punished?

Do they think at all? How can they not see the implications in this? This is just too much.

Okay, that's it! I'm changing my vote!

GIANO for ARBCOM!!!

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