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Starting a new thread, since this is likely to become an interesting spot:

Requests for comment: Paid editing

...has been opened by Rootology.

I wonder if Wikipedia will invite one of the foremost authorities on paid editing of GFDL content, and its detection?

They claim that they aren't opposed to expert participation in Wikipedia. I'm making myself available. I'd only need a temporary unblock, restricted to this topic only. The offer stands.
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Jimmy Wales was recently in London to give the keynote speech at The Guardian’s Changing Media Summit and he quoted the founder of the PR firm Freud Communications. The same day he was also editing the Strategy Wiki from the offices of Freud Communications.



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Back in 2007, when Freud Communications was caught editing Wikipedia articles about their clients, their spokesman Oliver Wheeler said the edits were "very factual" and "perfectly justifiable."

So there you go. If you're a top 10 PR firm, and your paid editing on Wikipedia is factual and justifiable, it's A-OK. Jimmy may even 'friend' you!

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QUOTE(tarantino @ Thu 25th March 2010, 3:07pm) *

Back in 2007, when Freud Communications was caught editing Wikipedia articles about their clients, their spokesman Oliver Wheeler said the edits were "very factual" and "perfectly justifiable."

So there you go. If you're a top 10 PR firm, and your paid editing on Wikipedia is factual and justifiable, it's A-OK. Jimmy may even 'friend' you!


Jimbo may even 'impregnate' you!
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QUOTE(thekohser @ Sun 20th February 2011, 10:45pm) *
Jimbo may even 'impregnate' you!

Yes, but will he finally divorce his first wife so he can 'marry' you? That's the big question here.

Also, I never bothered to point out that this "Matthew Freud quote" is actually a misplaced, if not incorrect, analogy.
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A baker sells fresh bread each day and gives away the previous day’s stale bread. By contrast the media gives away its fresh product (online) and sells the previous day’s product (print)...

First of all, anyone who actually feeds himself (as opposed to having a house full of servants do it for you) should know that it takes several days for bread to become stale. Whereas the media continues to give away the same stories for free online long after they've been written. Some people prefer the greater convenience, stability, and archivability of print media, and are willing to pay for them - these things are actually advantages, and they don't preclude buyers from also getting the same stories for free online too, before or after the print editions come out. Putting that aside, though, is Freud suggesting that the media should be more like bakers, in that they should sell their online content and give away their print content merely because the print content has a time lag?

If the analogy has to be bakers, then it should look more like this:
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An internet-savvy baker goes online and describes the bread he's going to bake that day, complete with pictures and reviews of his previous efforts, and then he bakes the bread and sells it, and whatever he can't sell he gives away after it goes stale, several days later. By contrast, the media goes online and gives away their fresh product, complete with pictures and reviews, and continues to give it away as long as they can afford to keep running their website, but they also sell a paper version of the same product, which can be read without electricity and can last for decades before mold starts growing on it, depending on storage conditions.

Only that's an even worse analogy, because while it's more accurate, it doesn't make any sense as an analogy, nor does it support what Freud (and by extension, Jimbo) is trying to suggest.

So, what can we conclude from this? Obviously, Matthew Freud needs work on his analogies, and Jimbo needs work on choosing other people's analogies to crib from - this much we already know. Beyond that, they haven't unloaded Wikinews yet, so either they haven't gotten a good-enough offer, or they don't think they can get away with it.

I'm guessing they've given up on the idea, because nobody in their right mind would actually pay them for it. It is, to use an analogy that's actually accurate, a pig in a poke.
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A baker sells fresh bread each day and gives away the previous day’s stale bread. By contrast the media gives away its fresh product (online) and sells the previous day’s product (print)...

The analogy fails to point out that some people often find they need some really stale bread because they have long ago thrown theirs out and can't recall the exact taste. Bakers have craftily decided to charge for access to their archives of stale bread, charging prices for a single slice of stale bread well in excess of the price of a fresh loaf. This is something that may catch on in the newsmedia industry...
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