Global sysops, A good idea or not? Options

[Sarcasticidealist]

The list could go on. But for a project that began as a bold experiment with people writing rules as they went along, it is now ridiculously risk adverse.

Only to assuming new risk; it's quite happy with existing risk. I think "inert" is actually the word you're looking for.

[RMHED]

The list could go on. But for a project that began as a bold experiment with people writing rules as they went along, it is now ridiculously risk adverse.

Only to assuming new risk; it's quite happy with existing risk. I think "inert" is actually the word you're looking for.

Inept seems more accurate.

[Milton Roe]

My point is that a proper pragmatic analysis of "what works well and what produces problems" would lead to a willingness to take the basic engine "anyone can edit" and build in some gears, breaks, and steering. One might examine, for instance, that you do get some good articles on obscure subjects, but that these are often mono-authored, and then ask the question of how you get this type of author to be willing to write a decent article on some edit-warred POV shithole. If you were being truely pragmatic and empiricist, you'd try a few experiments and see how tweeking the model produces variety of results. Some of these would be dead ends but some might produce an evolution in your model.

What? Experiment?!

Have you never wanted to do anything that was dangerous? Where should we be if nobody tried to find out what lies beyond? Have you never wanted to look beyond the clouds and the stars or to know what causes the trees to bud and what changes the darkness into light? But if you talk like that, people call you crazy..

Present Wikipedia, with Bride of Wikipedia. No experimentation here! Move along.

[Trick cyclist]

Yes, I know that most people would consider cottony cushion scale to be rather obscure, but probably not as obscure as 19th century cricketers.

Americans! What is it with Americans and cricket? There's far more written about Victorian cricket than "cottony cushion scale". Find me a significant 19th century cricketer with no WP article and I guarantee I can produce a well-sourced article on him.

[CharlotteWebb]

What is it with Americans and cricket?

Most have never heard of it, other than as an insect species.

Well, you asked.

From time to time I've tried reading the WP content related to this sport but quickly lost all focus. Perhaps y'all could take another stab at explaining the significance of fast bowlers, silly mid-ons, and such.

[Milton Roe]

What is it with Americans and cricket?

Most have never heard of it, other than as an insect species.

Well, you asked.

From time to time I've tried reading the WP content related to this sport but quickly lost all focus. Perhaps y'all could take another stab at explaining the significance of fast bowlers, silly mid-ons, and such.

[Jon Awbrey]

How many more of these heart-rending essays on the pattern of “If the Community-Foundation-Godking really wanted to do X then they would be doing Y” do we have to read before the essayists in question tumble to the Rule of Inference that says “¬Y implies ¬X”?

Doc seems to be exhibiting the all too familiar symptoms of the True Blue Sucker — feeble protest followed by even more severe relapse.

Jon

[Doc glasgow]

How many more of these heart-rending essays on the pattern of “If the Community-Foundation-Godking really wanted to do X then they would be doing Y” do we have to read before the essayists in question tumble to the Rule of Inference that says “¬Y implies ¬X”?

Doc seems to be exhibiting the all too familiar symptoms of the True Blue Sucker — feeble protest followed by even more severe relapse.

Jon

I suppose it is the wistfulness of might-have-been.

I'm idealistic enought to dream the dream, but cynical enough to know it cannot and will not be.

[Milton Roe]

How many more of these heart-rending essays on the pattern of “If the Community-Foundation-Godking really wanted to do X then they would be doing Y” do we have to read before the essayists in question tumble to the Rule of Inference that says “¬Y implies ¬X”?

Doc seems to be exhibiting the all too familiar symptoms of the True Blue Sucker — feeble protest followed by even more severe relapse.

Jon

I suppose it is the wistfulness of might-have-been.

I'm idealistic enought to dream the dream, but cynical enough to know it cannot and will not be.

Doc glasgow attempts to woo the Simons of Wikipedia

Meanwhile, Wikipedia prepares to get in touch with its inner spirit of progressivism and bold change

[Jon Awbrey]

How many more of these heart-rending essays on the pattern of “If the Community-Foundation-Godking really wanted to do X then they would be doing Y” do we have to read before the essayists in question tumble to the Rule of Inference that says “¬Y implies ¬X”?

Doc seems to be exhibiting the all too familiar symptoms of the True Blue Sucker — feeble protest followed by even more severe relapse.

Jon

I suppose it is the wistfulness of might-have-been.

I'm idealistic enough to dream the dream, but cynical enough to know it cannot and will not be.

The fact that it can't happen there, doesn't mean it can't happen anywhere — but the more time you waste there the less you'll be a part of where it's happening.

Jon

[Trick cyclist]

What is it with Americans and cricket?

Most have never heard of it, other than as an insect species.

Come off it, Miss Webb with the sexy stockings (or is it Ms?). Going by what people have heard of is WP:OR. The question is what can be reliably sourced (WP:RS). And 90,800 people attended the 2nd day of the Australia/West Indies test in Melbourne in 1961. They probably get attendances of 100,000 per day in Calcutta. You try getting audiences that size to look at cottony cushion scale.

[Jon Awbrey]

Does anyone know about this proposal to create global sysops?

meat.wikimedia.org/wiki/Global Cyclops

They seem to be second rate stewards. Are there not enough proper ones? This could have serious implications for small projects where there are say six active admins but there's just nothing needing doing. A global sysop could say "Aha — no active admins" and stick his unwanted nose in.

Still, Ottava's supporters should be pleased that because he's a curator on Wikiversity he could apply.

Anyone who's been paying any attention at all knows that there have always been de facto global sysops operating out of Meta — and all the ostensibly "real" stewards have proven to be lar, er, far too wimpy a bunch of weenies to stop them.

Jon

[CharlotteWebb]

Come off it, Miss Webb with the sexy stockings (or is it Ms?). Going by what people have heard of is WP:OR. The question is what can be reliably sourced (WP:RS). And 90,800 people attended the 2nd day of the Australia/West Indies test in Melbourne in 1961. They probably get attendances of 100,000 per day in Calcutta. You try getting audiences that size to look at cottony cushion scale.

Cool, but I thought it obvious that I meant most Americans (being in fact the group you asked about).

This post has been edited by CharlotteWebb: Mon 11th January 2010, 4:36am

[LessHorrid vanU]

LHVU, I authored the proposal that's being voted on, and I'm not really sure what you mean. You realize that there is no real internal system at near all of the projects global sysops would have access at?

The sole purpose of the global sysop is for anti-vandalism. Nothing more, nothing less.

I seem to have missed that - I saw the arguments of there being projects with only a couple of local admins who may not be that active, and where a global sysop may have rights to block, protect, etc. It seems to me that those local admins may not appreciate having people who were not elected by that community from acting. I may be wrong, and I !voted approval anyway, but these things need considering.

[Juliancolton]

Does anyone know about this proposal to create global sysops?

meat.wikimedia.org/wiki/Global Cyclops

They seem to be second rate stewards. Are there not enough proper ones? This could have serious implications for small projects where there are say six active admins but there's just nothing needing doing. A global sysop could say "Aha — no active admins" and stick his unwanted nose in.

Still, Ottava's supporters should be pleased that because he's a curator on Wikiversity he could apply.

Anyone who's been paying any attention at all knows that there have always been de facto global sysops operating out of Meta

Eh?

[Jon Awbrey]

It is a shame that the Foundation has never engaged in any type of psychological and sociological analysis of the motivations for, and attraction in, editing. If it had done so, it might have been able to tweek its interfaces and strategy to make a better product.

The average successful con artist knows far more about the psychological and sociological motivations of his/her marks than are dreamt of in your psychology, Doc.

Jon

[SB_Johnny]

More than 1,500 votes now... 75%-ish supported.

Meanwhile, 27 self-noms for steward (including Greg).