Wikimedia Fundraising, Stop calling it charity! Options

Maybe the word "charity" hasn't been used, but "non-profit" says to me that it is on the equivalent level of the Red Cross or the United Way.

Tha doesn't follow. Certainly in English law, we have public schools like Eton or the personal tax shelters of multi-millionaires given virtual charity status.

Maybe the word "charity" hasn't been used, but "non-profit" says to me that it is on the equivalent level of the Red Cross or the United Way.

Tha doesn't follow. Certainly in English law, we have public schools like Eton or the personal tax shelters of multi-millionaires given virtual charity status.

Well, you do have a point (no, not that WP:POINT).

What burns my biscuits is that the Foundation makes it sound like they are giving something valuable to the world like a charity when what they are giving won't improve the lives of people.

Off-topic: "Public schools" are privately funded in Britain, right? Public schools in the US usually are funded by taxes from the public mainly through property taxes. I always get confused when I read the BBC online.

Maybe the word "charity" hasn't been used, but "non-profit" says to me that it is on the equivalent level of the Red Cross or the United Way.

Tha doesn't follow. Certainly in English law, we have public schools like Eton or the personal tax shelters of multi-millionaires given virtual charity status.

Well, you do have a point (no, not that WP:POINT).

What burns my biscuits is that the Foundation makes it sound like they are giving something valuable to the world like a charity when what they are giving won't improve the lives of people.

Off-topic: "Public schools" are privately funded in Britain, right? Public schools in the US usually are funded by taxes from the public mainly through property taxes. I always get confused when I read the BBC online.

To give to Wiki foundation is to feather the nest of Jimbo Wales, the pornographer.(Bomis)
Wikipedia.... Rat hole of lies...

Jimmy Wales the bomis pornographer

DONT GIVE MONEY TO A FAILED IDEA THAT HURTS SO MANY...

Maybe the word "charity" hasn't been used, but "non-profit" says to me that it is on the equivalent level of the Red Cross or the United Way.

Tha doesn't follow. Certainly in English law, we have public schools like Eton or the personal tax shelters of multi-millionaires given virtual charity status.

Well, you do have a point (no, not that WP:POINT).

What burns my biscuits is that the Foundation makes it sound like they are giving something valuable to the world like a charity when what they are giving won't improve the lives of people.

Off-topic: "Public schools" are privately funded in Britain, right? Public schools in the US usually are funded by taxes from the public mainly through property taxes. I always get confused when I read the BBC online.

To give to Wiki foundation is to feather the nest of Jimbo Wales, the pornographer.(Bomis)
Wikipedia.... Rat hole of lies...

Jimmy Wales the bomis pornographer

DONT GIVE MONEY TO A FAILED IDEA THAT HURTS SO MANY...

The Register article, while a little old, is the first I've heard of EB's response to the much flaunted "WP as good as EB" study. Good spot Joseph.

Off-topic: "Public schools" are privately funded in Britain, right? Public schools in the US usually are funded by taxes from the public mainly through property taxes. I always get confused when I read the BBC online.

Right. Tax-funded schools are state schools.

Maybe the word "charity" hasn't been used, but "non-profit" says to me that it is on the equivalent level of the Red Cross or the United Way.

Tha doesn't follow. Certainly in English law, we have public schools like Eton or the personal tax shelters of multi-millionaires given virtual charity status.

Well, you do have a point (no, not that WP:POINT).

What burns my biscuits is that the Foundation makes it sound like they are giving something valuable to the world like a charity when what they are giving won't improve the lives of people.

Off-topic: "Public schools" are privately funded in Britain, right? Public schools in the US usually are funded by taxes from the public mainly through property taxes. I always get confused when I read the BBC online.

To give to Wiki foundation is to feather the nest of Jimbo Wales, the pornographer.(Bomis)
Wikipedia.... Rat hole of lies...

Jimmy Wales the bomis pornographer

DONT GIVE MONEY TO A FAILED IDEA THAT HURTS SO MANY...

The Register article, while a little old, is the first I've heard of EB's response to the much flaunted "WP as good as EB" study. Good spot Joseph.

Read the Britannica response to the WIKIDICKIES and the lies for which tries to pass for truth. More poof Wikipedia is a rathole of lies.

In rebutting Nature’s work, we in no way mean to imply that Britannica is error-free; we have never
made such a claim. We have a reputation not for unattainable perfection but for strong scholarship,
sound judgment, and disciplined editorial review. These practices are the foundation of any reliable
reference work, and Nature’s careless analysis demeaned them.

Translation..our (Britannica) contributers have real degrees and real scholarship ves Wikipedia's
PhD's....like this phony Wikipeidan PhD

And mature and wise contributors..See the typical face of the wise and mature wiki-admin

This post has been edited by Joseph100: Sat 27th October 2007, 5:30am

The Wikimedia Foundation says it has earmarked $201,000 for the Board of Trustees.

Jimmy Wales says:

The board is entirely uncompensated. Stop trolling.--[[User:Jimbo Wales|Jimbo Wales]] 20:22, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

What is the $201,000 going toward, then? Travel reimbursement, I suppose. This is ridiculous. I just looked up airfares (round-trip) from Paris to San Francisco in mid-January. $648. Three-star hotels can be found for $80 a night, even in Union Square. Even with meals and taxis reimbursed, a trip by FloFlo for 4 days for Board crap should not cost the Foundation more than $1300. Multiply that by three Board members from Europe, and even four more from America itself -- you get maybe $9,000 per meet-up. Do they plan to have more than 20 Board meetings per year?

This is insane.

Someone is lying. Or, someone is deficient in mathematics.

Greg

They could always use Skype or log the IRC. Cost = pretty much little to none. As for the relocation fees, I am still surprised that they want to move to San Francisco, where not only the cost of living is higher, but as you could tell earlier this week, the state is a tinderbox.

Has anyone noticed the new donor banner on the top of WP? It is ugly! I thought I had somehow ended up on one of those "financial mortgage" sites or something like that.

Wow, talk about throwing away money...

Michael Minor
Information should be free and accessible! Fri, 11/02/2007 - 14:02 USD 10,000.00 $10,000.00

I do apologize if this is noted elsewhere.

"Knowledge is the key to peace and harmony" — Tom H Lautenbacher

Do any these people even edit WP and engage in the Community?

Citizendium is now asking for donations on the top of their main page. Like Wikipedia's, it's a banner at the top of the page. For an organization trying to distance itself from Wikipedia, the folks at CZ seem to follow WP's example an awful lot. To their credit, though, they're asking for much less money ($10K) to support the site. I predict that even without the traffic WP receives, CZ will reach their monetary goal faster than WP's outrageous $4.6m.

The "collaborative kegger" they're advertising for tomorrow makes me imagine editors getting drunk as they write CZ articles.

This post has been edited by Firsfron of Ronchester: Tue 6th November 2007, 4:41pm

Citizendium is now asking for donations on the top of their main page. Like Wikipedia's, it's a banner at the top of the page. For an organization trying to distance itself from Wikipedia, the folks at CZ seem to follow WP's example an awful lot. To their credit, though, they're asking for much less money ($10K) to support the site. I predict that even without the traffic WP receives, CZ will reach their monetary goal faster than WP's outrageous $4.6m.

The "collaborative kegger" they're advertising for tomorrow makes me imagine editors getting drunk as they write CZ articles.

Recent evidence (i.e. VintageKits and Aldebaer) indicates that WP admins are more lenient towards drunk editors.

Perhaps CZ's going in that direction also?

Citizendium will never achieve anything like the penetration and mindset of WP while it adheres to WP's ruinous and reckless business model.

So like WP, donations will go straight into the ever increasing black hole called "Hosting and Bandwidth costs"

Has anyone noticed the new donor banner on the top of WP? It is ugly! I thought I had somehow ended up on one of those "financial mortgage" sites or something like that.

I think it's Planned Ugliness. That brown button is dark enough to contrast against the white page and reddish enough to attract the human eye.

I finally got around to watching the Jimbo video. Yikes. What's with the "feed the children" stuff?

I finally got around to watching the Jimbo video. Yikes. What's with the "feed the children" stuff?

He's cluing into the development aspect of the spin. It is tragic, but this is pretty normal in that field. Just that it doesnt need another sinkhole. I needs more good work. Let Jimbo go to Darfur, and try to pass off the use of his encyclopedia as useful.

What good does Wikipedia do for the poor of poor countries? What they need is new wells, or consistently running electricity (huge problems) or basic medication and relief from malaria, AIDS, ringworm, etc. Give them scholarships to higher education in Europe or the US, and incentive to return so there is no braindrain (like help create jobs in the home economy). If Jimbo was a real philanthropist, his African contacts would be raising such funds, and calling them "Wikipedia scholarships", and asking the recipients to donate some time to Wikipedia as a goodwill gratefulness gesture. Not just trained Africans (or wherever else) to type in the encyclopedia. That is so weak.

Wikipedia asks everyone (rich or poor) for free work! It doesnt teach contributors to type (a useful skill that they could develop in Africa). It doesn't teach them to research. Wikipedia is for people with free time. The poor of African dont have free time! They work! Sometimes to carry water for their daily needs! (!)

If poor people want to use Wikipedia, when they have no other resource (like, they get confused by Google, which means that they's be MORE confused by Wikipedia), GREAT. Just dont ask them to work for free and call it feeding them.

Sheesh.

Reminds me when he claimed he was in India, unable to access internet, and he was in a modern, rife-with-broadband conference centre in Tamil Nadu. Yeah. More like he was distracted, high on himself, and didnt think the press would notice he hired a fraud.

This post has been edited by Disillusioned Lackey: Wed 7th November 2007, 4:40am

The things people are saying the donor banner aren't very smart most of the time.

I'm pretty sure I saw "F--- the Long Tail" by an anon. Isn't there a moderator watching this stuff?

I also went to Uncyclopedia and thought "Gee, most of the comments on the donor banner here are worse than those on the various Wikipedias."

Then, I realized, I had been had!

The things people are saying the donor banner aren't very smart most of the time.

I'm pretty sure I saw "F--- the Long Tail" by an anon. Isn't there a moderator watching this stuff?

I also went to Uncyclopedia and thought "Gee, most of the comments on the donor banner here are worse than those on the various Wikipedias."

Then, I realized, I had been had!

My favorite comment ever was "I hope you choke and die on paypal fees."

The things people are saying the donor banner aren't very smart most of the time.

I'm pretty sure I saw "F--- the Long Tail" by an anon. Isn't there a moderator watching this stuff?

I also went to Uncyclopedia and thought "Gee, most of the comments on the donor banner here are worse than those on the various Wikipedias."

Then, I realized, I had been had!

My favorite comment ever was "I hope you choke and die on paypal fees."

Was that on WP or UN? What's sad is I can't tell the difference half the time!

From WP: "Woooo! Cheaper than college!" — Anon.