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Cla68
post Mon 6th April 2009, 3:03am
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Apparently, MZMcBride is being desysopped. I didn't think that he was an abusive admin, but he made some serious mistakes in the way he went about doing admin work.

I guess if we want to try to relate this to the "big picture", it shows that Wikipedia, in my opinion, needs a more formal, structured system to help guide its admins in how they perform project maintenance.
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QUOTE(Cla68 @ Mon 6th April 2009, 4:03am) *

Apparently, MZMcBride is being desysopped. I didn't think that he was an abusive admin, but he made some serious mistakes in the way he went about doing admin work.

I guess if we want to try to relate this to the "big picture", it shows that Wikipedia, in my opinion, needs a more formal, structured system to help guide its admins in how they perform project maintenance.


MZMcBride has been very helpful to me in the past, but sometimes is a pain in the backside to talk to when he disagrees with me on something. I think that if he'd gone about his business with a totally different approach, he wouldn't be where he is now.
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post Mon 6th April 2009, 3:42am
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Seeing MZMcBride get desysopped while other actual abusive admins are able to retain the bit is just ridiculous. It's also good to see where some of the Arbs stand on the matter, and I'm a bit surprised by a couple. Should be interesting to see how some of these arbs vote in the future on desysopping motions.
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post Mon 6th April 2009, 3:45am
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He has resigned.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=282027735
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post Mon 6th April 2009, 3:58am
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QUOTE(LaraLove @ Mon 6th April 2009, 1:42pm) *

Seeing MZMcBride get desysopped while other actual abusive admins are able to retain the bit is just ridiculous. It's also good to see where some of the Arbs stand on the matter, and I'm a bit surprised by a couple. Should be interesting to see how some of these arbs vote in the future on desysopping motions.


All I can add here is that arbcom is a place to bring cases of admin misconduct and misuse of tools, so people concerned should do so.
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post Mon 6th April 2009, 4:33am
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QUOTE(Casliber @ Sun 5th April 2009, 11:58pm) *

All I can add here is that arbcom is a place to bring cases of admin misconduct and misuse of tools, so people concerned should do so.
Tell that to Viridae, among others, of course. Maybe tell it to some current RFC commenters. I'm not sure how many would agree.

Or maybe it's better to just say something like "While it's a place to bring such cases, it's not necessarily a place to expect results."

I'm sure there are a few other applicable responses, but I'll just stick with those two.
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QUOTE(LaraLove @ Mon 6th April 2009, 4:33am) *

Tell that to Viridae, among others, of course. Maybe tell it to some current RFC commenters. I'm not sure how many would agree.

In case you haven't noticed, this ArbCom is quite a bit different than last year's in both composition and philosophy. It's much more law and order. If you have a case of administrative misconduct, I believe that we will apply these standards across the board.
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post Mon 6th April 2009, 5:23am
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QUOTE(The Joy @ Sun 5th April 2009, 8:45pm) *


He wasn't that bad by today WP standard. And now he resigned at the same time when Guy and his faithful choir of sycophants threaten to ban anyone who claims cold fusion is not a Nobel deserving scientific breakthrough.

Sigh. Wikipedia is really going to the dogs.
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QUOTE(Son of a Yeti @ Mon 6th April 2009, 2:23am) *
He wasn't that bad by today WP standard. And now he resigned at the same time when Guy and his faithful choir of sycophants threaten to ban anyone who claims cold fusion is not a Nobel deserving scientific breakthrough.
You either added an extra "not" in there or you're misreading the situation rather profoundly. Guy thinks (rightly, from everything I've seen) that cold fusion is hookum.
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Maybe with dilligent good faith, he could perhaps attain the coveted position of super-sysop at encyc or wikademia

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QUOTE(Sarcasticidealist @ Sun 5th April 2009, 10:28pm) *

QUOTE(Son of a Yeti @ Mon 6th April 2009, 2:23am) *
He wasn't that bad by today WP standard. And now he resigned at the same time when Guy and his faithful choir of sycophants threaten to ban anyone who claims cold fusion is not a Nobel deserving scientific breakthrough.
You either added an extra "not" in there or you're misreading the situation rather profoundly. Guy thinks (rightly, from everything I've seen) that cold fusion is hookum.


Yes? So I misread the RfC. But it's still POV galore.
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post Mon 6th April 2009, 6:01am
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QUOTE(Son of a Yeti @ Mon 6th April 2009, 5:49am) *

QUOTE(Sarcasticidealist @ Sun 5th April 2009, 10:28pm) *

QUOTE(Son of a Yeti @ Mon 6th April 2009, 2:23am) *
He wasn't that bad by today WP standard. And now he resigned at the same time when Guy and his faithful choir of sycophants threaten to ban anyone who claims cold fusion is not a Nobel deserving scientific breakthrough.
You either added an extra "not" in there or you're misreading the situation rather profoundly. Guy thinks (rightly, from everything I've seen) that cold fusion is hookum.


Yes? So I misread the RfC. But it's still POV galore.


I think that JzG has just received his third strike and his admin privileges are as good as gone. The only thing in the way is the time it takes to wait for everyone to weigh-in on the RfC and then for someone to take it to ArbCom and then wait for ArbCom to vote on it. The new arbcom is trying to send a message. If you look at the last few case decisions, they haven't held back too much in imposing sanctions and corrective action.

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post Mon 6th April 2009, 7:26am
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QUOTE(Cla68 @ Sun 5th April 2009, 11:01pm) *

I think that JzG has just received his third strike and his admin privileges are as good as gone. The only thing in the way is the time it takes to wait for everyone to weigh-in on the RfC and then for someone to take it to ArbCom and then wait for ArbCom to vote on it. The new arbcom is trying to send a message. If you look at the last few case decisions, they haven't held back too much in imposing sanctions and corrective action.

Wow. It is his third RFC.

Classic Guy.
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© Over a period of more than one year, JzG persistently directed uncivil comments and personal attacks at other editors. These comments frequently included obscene and vulgar language and abuse. Many of the incivil and offensive comments were contained in edit summaries so that they are permanently logged in page histories. Often, although not always, the inappropriate comments accompanied otherwise proper commentary, edits, or administrator actions, and the comments were often, although again by no means always or nearly always, directed at users exhibiting problematic behavior (but this generally is not a mitigating circumstance). JzG continued to make some of these types of comments even after Wikipedia:Requests for comment/JzG2 called his attention to substantial community concern about his style and other users characterized it as conduct unbecoming an administrator.
Passed 9 to 0 at 00:50, 24 September 2008 (UTC).

(D) JzG has taken several overly harsh administrator actions and made unnecessarily rude comments to new editors, thereby reducing the chance that these potentially valuable contributors would continue editing Wikipedia.
Passed 8 to 0 (with 1 abstention) at 00:50, 24 September 2008 (UTC).


See you on the breadline, Guy. yecch.gif

Amazing. MZM AND Guy, in the same week.
Never thought I'd say this, but "things are looking up".

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QUOTE(LaraLove @ Mon 6th April 2009, 2:33pm) *

QUOTE(Casliber @ Sun 5th April 2009, 11:58pm) *

All I can add here is that arbcom is a place to bring cases of admin misconduct and misuse of tools, so people concerned should do so.
Tell that to Viridae, among others, of course. Maybe tell it to some current RFC commenters. I'm not sure how many would agree.

Or maybe it's better to just say something like "While it's a place to bring such cases, it's not necessarily a place to expect results."

I'm sure there are a few other applicable responses, but I'll just stick with those two.


(puts two fingers in mouth and wolf-whistles) "Hey Viridae..." - but seriously, I thought he'd (confirmed as he???) be reading this. Anyway, from what I see, there seems to be a reluctance to progress to arbcom on issues of admin conduct, if you compare to the level of complaints written about the place, both on WR and here. I feel some more useful discussion is being generated at RfC from time to time as well, which at least has some structure, unlike trying to read reams of text at AN/I - so I'd recommend utilising the appropriate forums.
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QUOTE(EricBarbour @ Mon 6th April 2009, 12:26am) *

Amazing. MZM AND Guy, in the same week.
Never thought I'd say this, but "things are looking up".


I cannot agree more laugh.gif
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QUOTE(One @ Mon 6th April 2009, 1:00am) *

QUOTE(LaraLove @ Mon 6th April 2009, 4:33am) *

Tell that to Viridae, among others, of course. Maybe tell it to some current RFC commenters. I'm not sure how many would agree.

In case you haven't noticed, this ArbCom is quite a bit different than last year's in both composition and philosophy. It's much more law and order. If you have a case of administrative misconduct, I believe that we will apply these standards across the board.
Then lets hope the cases start piling in.
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QUOTE(LaraLove @ Sun 5th April 2009, 11:42pm) *

Seeing MZMcBride get desysopped while other actual abusive admins are able to retain the bit is just ridiculous. It's also good to see where some of the Arbs stand on the matter, and I'm a bit surprised by a couple. Should be interesting to see how some of these arbs vote in the future on desysopping motions.


There is a random, stochastic element to it, but if you repeatedly get dragged in front of ArbCom for misusing your admin tools, you will get desysopped sooner or later.

Merely being an asshole is not enough, or even necessary, though if you do not blow people off, but actually discuss their concerns and are reasonable, you will never get dragged in front of ArbCom.

Results are a bit surprising. I always thought Flonight hung out on IRC all the time, which would have had me guess she would support MZMBride to the bitter end. Is Carcharoth active on IRC? Wizardman is kind of surprising, too, since he supports everyone and their brother and RFA, and is active on IRC. Otherwise, looks like what you would expect.
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QUOTE(Cla68 @ Mon 6th April 2009, 6:01am) *

I think that JzG has just received his third strike...

I realize I'm not known for saying nice things about him but as far as cold fusion goes I'm pretty sure they'll give him a base on WP:BALLS (to quote his own essay).
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I must admit I had extremely little faith in arbcom, but they did desysop Aitias, a classic example of an abusive admin, which restored my belief that the system does work if you try and use it. I'm all for a deadminning system, but if the one we have generally works (imo) then perhaps we don't need a new thing.
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QUOTE(Cla68 @ Mon 6th April 2009, 3:03am) *

I guess if we want to try to relate this to the "big picture", it shows that Wikipedia, in my opinion, needs a more formal, structured system to help guide its admins in how they perform project maintenance.

Oh you mean like admin-coaching (not to be confused with admin-coaching)...
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