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QUOTE(Kelly Martin @ Wed 6th August 2008, 9:45pm) It's fascinating to watch the rats scurry around with silly wikilawyering arguments why Elonka cannot be recalled. Various arguments like insisting that Jehochman is not in "good standing", or that she really meant "six net editors" or some other such nonsense.
Six net editors, oh, that's good. Elonka's tactic is to make enemies, then exclude them from discussions on the ground that they have a history with her. Her friends and sycophants, on the other hand, can always be involved. Reading from the most worn page of her playbook, she has accused Jehochman of "harassment": QUOTE( Elonka Dunin) Jehochman, taking a look at your contribs over the last few days, {{user|Jehochman}}, it appears that nearly all you've been doing, is hovering over my RfC and reacting to everything. As I'm sure you know, you have already been cautioned for harassment on multiple occasions. Some of your comments at the RfC have also been, shall we say, not as truthful as they could have been. So, could you perhaps try to find something else to do on Wikipedia, that isn't related to me? Thanks, http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=230213544 This post has been edited by Proabivouac:
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QUOTE(Proabivouac @ Wed 6th August 2008, 11:35pm) QUOTE(Kelly Martin @ Wed 6th August 2008, 9:45pm) It's fascinating to watch the rats scurry around with silly wikilawyering arguments why Elonka cannot be recalled. Various arguments like insisting that Jehochman is not in "good standing", or that she really meant "six net editors" or some other such nonsense.
Six net editors, oh, that's good. Elonka's tactic is to make enemies, then exclude them from discussions on the ground that they have a history with her. Her friends and sycophants, on the other hand, can always be involved. Reading from the most worn page of her playbook, she has accused Jehochman of "harassment": QUOTE( Elonka Dunin) Jehochman, taking a look at your contribs over the last few days, {{user|Jehochman}}, it appears that nearly all you've been doing, is hovering over my RfC and reacting to everything. As I'm sure you know, you have already been cautioned for harassment on multiple occasions. Some of your comments at the RfC have also been, shall we say, not as truthful as they could have been. So, could you perhaps try to find something else to do on Wikipedia, that isn't related to me? Thanks, http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=230213544I've been trying to reserve judgement on the matter, but Elonka's post on Jehochman's talk page reminds me of another admin who is the current subject of two separate RfARs. To try to intimidate someone with unsupported accusations of harassment is unacceptable. She still hasn't withdrawn it.
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QUOTE(Cla68 @ Wed 6th August 2008, 8:10pm) QUOTE( Elonka Dunin) Jehochman, taking a look at your contribs over the last few days, {{user|Jehochman}}, it appears that nearly all you've been doing, is hovering over my RfC and reacting to everything. As I'm sure you know, you have already been cautioned for harassment on multiple occasions. Some of your comments at the RfC have also been, shall we say, not as truthful as they could have been. So, could you perhaps try to find something else to do on Wikipedia, that isn't related to me? Thanks, http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=230213544I've been trying to reserve judgement on the matter, but Elonka's post on Jehochman's talk page reminds me of another admin who is the current subject of two separate RfARs. To try to intimidate someone with unsupported accusations of harassment is unacceptable. She still hasn't withdrawn it. Okay, so I have a few questions that perhaps Cla, Jehochman or anyone else following this may know. Because I hadn't really looked at any of it until yesterday. 1/ Are the majority of Jehochman's post over the past week focused on Elonka, specifically to her RFC? 2/ Has Jehochman ever been cautioned for harassment? If so, on multiple occasions? 3/ Has he made comments in the RFC that were not completely accurate? I'm not being a smartass, I'm seriously asking. QUOTE(LaraLove @ Fri 8th August 2008, 1:17pm) QUOTE(Cla68 @ Wed 6th August 2008, 8:10pm) QUOTE( Elonka Dunin) Jehochman, taking a look at your contribs over the last few days, {{user|Jehochman}}, it appears that nearly all you've been doing, is hovering over my RfC and reacting to everything. As I'm sure you know, you have already been cautioned for harassment on multiple occasions. Some of your comments at the RfC have also been, shall we say, not as truthful as they could have been. So, could you perhaps try to find something else to do on Wikipedia, that isn't related to me? Thanks, http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=230213544I've been trying to reserve judgement on the matter, but Elonka's post on Jehochman's talk page reminds me of another admin who is the current subject of two separate RfARs. To try to intimidate someone with unsupported accusations of harassment is unacceptable. She still hasn't withdrawn it. Okay, so I have a few questions that perhaps Cla, Jehochman or anyone else following this may know. Because I hadn't really looked at any of it until yesterday. 1/ Are the majority of Jehochman's post over the past week focused on Elonka, specifically to her RFC? 2/ Has Jehochman ever been cautioned for harassment? If so, on multiple occasions? 3/ Has he made comments in the RFC that were not completely accurate? I'm not being a smartass, I'm seriously asking. Okay, looking myself. 1/ Clearly, yes. Practically all of them. Including one that says he wouldn't touch the RFC with a barge pole. See how that turned out.
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QUOTE(LaraLove) QUOTE(LaraLove @ Fri 8th August 2008, 1:17pm) QUOTE(Cla68 @ Wed 6th August 2008, 8:10pm) QUOTE( Elonka Dunin) Jehochman, taking a look at your contribs over the last few days, {{user|Jehochman}}, it appears that nearly all you've been doing, is hovering over my RfC and reacting to everything. As I'm sure you know, you have already been cautioned for harassment on multiple occasions. Some of your comments at the RfC have also been, shall we say, not as truthful as they could have been. So, could you perhaps try to find something else to do on Wikipedia, that isn't related to me? Thanks, http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=230213544I've been trying to reserve judgement on the matter, but Elonka's post on Jehochman's talk page reminds me of another admin who is the current subject of two separate RfARs. To try to intimidate someone with unsupported accusations of harassment is unacceptable. She still hasn't withdrawn it. Okay, so I have a few questions that perhaps Cla, Jehochman or anyone else following this may know. Because I hadn't really looked at any of it until yesterday. 1/ Are the majority of Jehochman's post over the past week focused on Elonka, specifically to her RFC? 2/ Has Jehochman ever been cautioned for harassment? If so, on multiple occasions? 3/ Has he made comments in the RFC that were not completely accurate? I'm not being a smartass, I'm seriously asking. Okay, looking myself. 1/ Clearly, yes. Practically all of them. Including one that says he wouldn't touch the RFC with a barge pole. See how that turned out. 2/ Okay, so I looked through his talk page a bit, and this is what I found. QUOTE(Sarah) Right. So you've "opted out" of what you pledged in your RFA but you're holding Elonka to what she said in hers without even asking what her current recall criteria might be, if she may have revised it or not? Double standard much? Please withdraw from this dispute. Supporting someone's RFA does not give you the right to obsessively harass them. FYI also, I have already advised Elonka that I think your behaviour towards her has reached the level that she should notify ArbCom and perhaps even Jimmy. If you cannot stand down after being explicitly asked to do so by WJBScribe, myself and others like Sceptre commenting about your behaviour then I think there is a serious problem here and it is going to look very bad for you. If "Many editors are concerned about Elonka", then many unobsessed editors are able to manage the dispute and any recall. [[User talk:Sarah|Sarah]] 18:57, 6 August 2008 (UTC) Didn't she nom him for admin? From July 11 there is thisQUOTE(Elonka) Jehochman, your actions towards me are approaching the level of [[WP:HARASS|harassment]]. You are obviously stalking my contribs, you're showing up all over my watchlist, challenging nearly everything I do, and badmouthing me both on-wiki and off-wiki. Please stop. I'm not going to go to the trouble of producing a ton of diffs, but I think you know that I easily could, showing grossly uncivil comments from you towards me and my actions, on multiple pages. In most cases, you refactor within a couple hours, but that's not cutting it, you need to stop the stalking. --[[User:Elonka|El]][[User talk:Elonka|on]][[Special:Contributions/Elonka|ka]] 18:02, 11 July 2008 (UTC) And there was also this from GRBerry on July 11. And then almost a month before that he made it clear that Elonka was not welcome on his talk page. I couldn't find the warning from Sceptre that Sarah mentioned, but I only looked at his talk page history. Regardless, that pretty much sums up #2 as accurate. So that just leaves 3. Has he made claims in the RFC that were not completely true? This post has been edited by LaraLove:
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