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Jimbo has asked for comments on whether Wikipedia should reserve the right to go on strike to prevent the Stop Online Piracy Act from passing.

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Poor Marek's comments (he is our 'Radek') got hatted by Jimbo as 'personal attacks'. Personally I thought they were spot on.

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Why is this here? What relevance does it have? Can I start a RfC on *my* user talk page over shutting down Wikipedia for a few days over some pet cause of mine and if there's a couple of "support" votes, we gonna shut down? This is not the venue for this kind of discussion and even less of a venue for what has turned into a voting poll (to put it charitably). So stop freakin' voting. I know you really want to show Jimbo how much you love him but this whole endeavor goes against the fundamental principles of Wikipedia and no matter how many people write an empty "support" on it, there's not going to be a strike.

At the end of the day, we've been told over and over again that policies such as NPOV are fundamental - and this proposal goes right against that. Also, Jimbo has always made a pretense of being "just another editor" (and for the most part has stuck to that, until now). This means that Jimbo has no more right to start this kind of a "poll" on his user talk page than I do. Now, giving Jimbo a charitable interpretation of the events it looks like he posted a comment on his talk page, which he hoped would get taken to another venue (this is AGFing the fuck out of the "Please help me publicize this widely" comment). But a whole bunch of people who think that agreeing with Jimbo is a way to earn brownie points on Wikipedia turned this into a "Poll". That's not how Wikipedia works. You want a 'strike', propose it in an appropriate venue (village pump, ANI, separate RfC page etc.). Stop wasting time here. Go write an encyclopedia. Volunteer Marek 07:34, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

It was posted on AN and RfC, and you're welcome to post about it anywhere else you think it should be publicized. As for me personally, I've disagreed (in some cases strenuously) with Jimbo on more than one occasion. I couldn't care less about earning "brownie points" with him. I agree with him in this case because I believe he is correct. I believe that is true of most, if not all, of those who have agreed here. Seraphimblade Talk to me 07:44, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

Maybe but people are "voting" here. And yes, it's pretty obvious that a lot of the support votes are due to the simple fact that Jimbo is the one who proposed it. Volunteer Marek 08:00, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

Wow. People who disagree with your particular position are out to earn brownie points with Jimbo? Argumentum ad Hominem much? Maybe you need to read WP:NPA. Ëœdanjel [ talk | contribs ] 07:47, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

Wow yourself. What do you think is happening? Are you being daft or naive? There's absolutely no reason or justification in Wikipedia policies for this kind of proposal ... strike that, Wikipedia policies explicitly prohibit this kind of thing, if it was anyone else but Jimbo trying to pull this kind of a stunt they'd be banned for disruption. Assuming that these aren't naive <1000 edits newbies voting above... yeah, motives do come into question. Volunteer Marek 08:00, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

Wanna start an RfC on your talkpage? Go ahead. Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 > haneʼ 07:54, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

At best this is a blatant grab for power, naively supported by folks who can't think beyond "Jimbo said it, it must be true" or "SOPA bad, so support" (SOPA might be bad, but two wrong don't make a right). At worst it's a perfect illustration of everything that can be wrong with Wikipedia. Volunteer Marek 08:00, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

If it bothers you so much go away and ignore it. Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 > haneʼ 08:02, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

How about you go away and ignore it. What kind of bullying bullshit is that? Obviously this is something that would have very widespread implications across Wikipedia, and affect lots of editors myself included. So, no, I don't think I'm going to ignore it. That's a very nasty thing to say to somebody. Typical though I guess. Volunteer Marek 08:11, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

Typical? You're the one attacking people and ranting when all this is is a poll because Jimbo wants to know what people think. You told him what you think and he'll read it. Other than that, it will not have implications. Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 > haneʼ 08:16, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

Go away Seb, you're not welcome here and you're embarrassing yourself. More seriously, I just got to ask. If "it will not have implications" what is the purpose of the exercise in the first place? Obviously the reason people are voting here is because they believe - rightly or apparently wrongly - that it WILL have implications. Right? Volunteer Marek 08:22, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

No. At least I didn't. If they do believe that, they got it wrong. Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 > haneʼ 08:26, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

So apparently there's just an excessive amount of internet ether out there and you're just doing your part in preventing it from reaching some kind of critical mass and blowing up the internets as we know it by wasting bandwith with "comments that have no implications". Kudos. For me, as disagreeable as some of my comments might seem to some, I *do* post them with the hope that they do carry some implications. Volunteer Marek 08:33, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

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HRIP7   SOPA and a strike  
Herschelkrustofsky   What do you suppose Jimbo's angle is here; tha...  
Kelly Martin   What do you suppose Jimbo's angle is here; th...  
lilburne   Wikipedia has long relied on the safe harbor prov...  
SB_Johnny   How so? My understanding is that it is targeted a...  
lilburne   How so? My understanding is that it is targeted ...  
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lilburne   [quote name='SB_Johnny' post='290590' date='Sat ...  
powercorrupts   He's showing his contempt for government again...  
TungstenCarbide   He's showing his contempt for government agai...  
powercorrupts   He's showing his contempt for government aga...  
TungstenCarbide   [quote name='TungstenCarbide' post='290591' date='...  
thekohser   He's showing his contempt for government agai...  
EricBarbour   I didn't see Jimbo show much contempt for gov...  
Zoloft   I didn't see Jimbo show much contempt for go...  
powercorrupts   He's showing his contempt for government aga...  
Fusion   I'd be strongly in favor of a strike. It woul...  
radek   They shouldn't be wimpy about it though. Eit...  
Malik Shabazz   They shouldn't be wimpy about it though. Eit...  
Ottava   Anyone else think that if Jimbo really cared about...  
Eppur si muove   Anyone else think that if Jimbo really cared abou...  
Michaeldsuarez   Has humanity forgotten how to write to their repre...  
mydog   (Temporarily) See the RFC on his talk page. I th...  
radek   (Temporarily) See the RFC on his talk page. I t...  
The Joy   (Temporarily) See the RFC on his talk page. I t...  
TungstenCarbide   Jimbo really believes that a Wikipedia strike can ...  
radek   Jimbo really believes that a Wikipedia strike can...  
Cla68   I've always thought that the most likely event...  
SB_Johnny   I've always thought that the most likely even...  
SB_Johnny   Jimbo really believes that a Wikipedia strike can...  
SB_Johnny   IOW:  
Michaeldsuarez   If there is a strike, Jimbo is sure to be intervi...  
Ottava   I can tell you this - a change.org petition wont i...  
SB_Johnny   And if the WMF does get a lobbyist, seeing their ...  
TungstenCarbide   And if the WMF does get a lobbyist, seeing their t...  
Ottava   that's not implied - he flat out states that...  
SB_Johnny   [quote name='TungstenCarbide' post='290632' date=...  
Cla68   [quote name='Ottava' post='290633' date='Sun 11th...  
thekohser   I [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title...  
TungstenCarbide   I [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?titl...  
Tarc   [quote name='thekohser' post='290642' date='Mon 1...  
Cla68   [quote name='TungstenCarbide' post='290648' date=...  
cookiehead   Jimbo views wikipedia editors as subordinates. He...  
thekohser   Here's one example of that. Jimbo edits Manuk...  
cookiehead   Here's one example of that. Jimbo edits Manu...  
Detective   No Wikipedia article about Dow Lohnes. Must be a...  
thekohser   Dow Lohnes is not registered with the U.S. Senate...  
mnemonic   [quote name='Cla68' post='290638' date='Sun 11th ...  
thekohser   WMF's hiring of Dow Lohnes is public now, as ...  
radek   Eh, if anything, him hatting these comments prob...  
SB_Johnny   He's probably using the term "lobbyist...  
Eppur si muove   I know that a bit of bellowing and chest-thumping ...  
Emperor   Taking Wikipedia down even for an hour would prove...  
Peter Damian   Taking Wikipedia down even for an hour would prov...  
carbuncle   No comment...  
thekohser   No comment... Deliciously classic.  
Peter Damian   No comment... Deliciously classic. Quite, ...  
SB_Johnny   [quote name='thekohser' post='290652' date='Mon 1...  
mbz1   Jimbo's acting as CEO of Wikipedia :D  
Ottava   Here is the lobbyist database. Jim Burger does not...  
carbuncle   That means that the WMF is dead in the water in t...  
SB_Johnny   I doubt Jimbo will have any trouble getting this ...  
radek   I doubt Jimbo will have any trouble getting this...  
radek   [quote name='SB_Johnny' post='290709' date='Tue 1...  
cookiehead   Jimmy is assuming bad faith with his "hostile...  
Ottava   One of the first rules of lobbying is that you don...  
Emperor   Professional lobbyists are a waste of money. They...  
nableezy   Professional lobbyists are a waste of money. The...  
The Joy   Professional lobbyists are a waste of money. The...  
Ottava   Professional lobbyists are a waste of money. The...  
cookiehead   This brings up a point I think often overlooked by...  
iii   This brings up a point I think often overlooked b...  
Peter Damian   Meanwhile the news leaks out onto the internet. h...  
SB_Johnny   Interesting: (del/undel) 10:52, 10 D...  
Michaeldsuarez   Interesting: (del/undel) 10:52, 10 ...  
lilburne   Now there is fuckwittery of the Godwin kind. Se...  
EricBarbour   New Register article.  
thekohser   And, as usual, Seth Finkelstein is brilliant in ho...  
Michaeldsuarez   New Register article. I wonder whether Jimbo wi...  
mbz1   Jimmy is still unhapy about Cla What track recor...  
Cla68   [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Us...  
cookiehead   Cla68 does not profit off of Wikipedia, yet contri...  
thekohser   Cla68 does not profit off of Wikipedia, yet contr...  
EricBarbour   They haven't banned you yet? Just *who* are ...  
cookiehead   They haven't banned you yet? Just *who* are...  
SB_Johnny   They haven't banned you yet? Just *who* are...  
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Michaeldsuarez   http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid...  
SB_Johnny   http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldi...  
radek   [quote name='Michaeldsuarez' post='290781' date='...  
EricBarbour   Funny thing is, III is correct. Plus: Jimbo posted...  
TungstenCarbide   Funny thing is, III is correct. Plus: Jimbo poste...  
lilburne   Godwin's replacement speaks: http://blog.wiki...  
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Ottava   Bullshit. Commons contains thousands of images s...  
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lilburne   Whenever someone from corporate management, any ...  
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thekohser   I think we should tell Congress to stop online pir...  
Peter Damian   I think we should tell Congress to [url=http://vi...  
lilburne   I think we should tell Congress to [url=http://v...  
SB_Johnny   Restored: Dow Lohnes.  
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Emperor   Stuff like this is a welcome warning. Now do yo...  
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EricBarbour   NY Times Slate  
melloden   NY Times Slate By publicly attacking legislation...  
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dogbiscuit   The whole idea of Wikipedia was to pirate content...  
radek   Since it will probably be removed. (hopefully not ...  
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EricBarbour   Good for you, Scott. You should have done this yea...  
SB_Johnny   And now "wikiality" comes full circle. B...  
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thekohser   [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Scott...  
Doc glasgow   You can count! None of them really "co...  
thekohser   You can count! None of them really "c...  
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Wikicrusher2   [quote name='SB_Johnny' post='294270' date='Fri 2...  
SB_Johnny   [quote name='SB_Johnny' post='294270' date='Fri ...  
HRIP7   So what about the arrest of Kim Schmitz and the sh...  
Vigilant   [quote name='Wikicrusher2' post='294276' date='Fr...  
thekohser   Modifications to the copyright laws on behalf of ...  
SB_Johnny   You didn't piss me off, it's just that y...  
lilburne   I didn't say I'm particularly endeared to...  
anthony   Copyright as originally envisioned was a way to p...  
anthony   Creative material's classification as "p...  
lilburne   Copyright violation is copyright violation, a cr...  
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Doc glasgow   There's another issue. In their rush to do th...  
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Shalom   This story should be called a SOPA opera.  
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EricBarbour   However, the blackout was not a unilateral decisi...  
thekohser   Right or not, the WMF is a nonprofit, and in both...  
Wikifan   pretty worthless block. Just refresh the page and ...  
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SB_Johnny   And so the transformation from encyclopedia to pol...  
anthony   And so the transformation from encyclopedia to po...  
Emperor   [quote name='SB_Johnny' post='294318' date='Sat 2...  
Michaeldsuarez   Copyright as originally envisioned was a way to p...  
anthony   http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/misinterpreting-cop...  
lilburne   [quote name='Michaeldsuarez' post='294320' date='...  
SB_Johnny   IOW all property is an artificial concession of s...  
Doc glasgow   Indeed, although by one logic one has more claim o...  
anthony   Indeed, although by one logic one has more claim ...  
lilburne   +5 that  
EricBarbour   So much of Wikipedia is comedy...... Seen the ...  
radek   So much of Wikipedia is comedy...... Seen the ...  
Emperor   Quote of the day.  
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NuclearWarfare   A G+ acquaintance informed me a couple days ago t...  
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