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Jimbo has asked for comments on whether Wikipedia should reserve the right to go on strike to prevent the Stop Online Piracy Act from passing.

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IIRC, Jimbo had a real hardon for this guy, Mr Forrester. He was overwhelming voted down for arbcom but Jimbo kept him anyway. If this is the guy I'm thinking of.
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QUOTE(Rhindle @ Tue 24th January 2012, 10:32am) *

IIRC, Jimbo had a real hardon for this guy, Mr Forrester. He was overwhelming voted down for arbcom but Jimbo kept him anyway. If this is the guy I'm thinking of.


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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arb...er_2004#Results

http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikie...uly/026675.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:JamesF

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QUOTE(Michaeldsuarez @ Tue 24th January 2012, 10:55am) *
Just noticing, my wont, the structural defects. Using pure Approval voting for multiwinner elections is interesting, but was the system Yes/No? If only Yes, people may simply vote for their favorites and leave it at that; the method then reduces to Plurality, in effect.

This is not a method, neither Plurality nor Approval, to produce anything like fair representation of a community. For the same reasons, supermajority election of administrators produces a highly warped representation of the community, it's quite possible for a majority position to end up unrepresented, and that result, over years, will then begin to bias participation. When people don't feel that the results represent how they voted, they stop participating.

Jimbo made an appointment because it was felt that more numbers would increase the depth of analysis. That's not necessarily true, and it became quite clear to me, in my tangles with ArbComm, that arbs were simply voting knee-jerk, often. People are going to do that, it's inevitable, but sane process will make sure that those voting are, at least, *presented* with clear evidence and argument. If they ignore it, they can then be held responsible. But three-year terms militates against responsibility. If you are going to have long terms, then the election process should be far deeper, aiming to gain the most careful and thorough participants as arbitrators. Or at least those who are truly most representative, who *collectively* represent a maximized percentage of users.

Best would be a process which creates a panel that truly represents the community, so that the votes of the panel can be, usually, how the whole community would vote if informed adequately. Asset Voting could do it (an element in Asset Voting could be the proxy method proposed experimentally as WP:PRX. That alone would not be enough. What would then be needed would be a process whereby the *community* and *staff* present organized and coherent evidence and argument for consideration by the panel. Combining the roles of investigation with decision is structurally unwise, likely to burn out the participants. "Staff" here means that there would be a class of user which does investigation and reporting. They might be given tools that, for example, allow them to read deleted posts. Each arbitrator might be able to appoint this "staff." The purpose of staff is to advise the arbs!

With an Asset-elected ArbComm, everyone who participates in the election could know whom they elected, "their arbitrator." With secret ballot, the arbs would not know who elected them, not the primary voters. They would know who transferred votes to them, that part must be done publically.

It could be done. I'm not holding my breath.
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HRIP7   SOPA and a strike  
Herschelkrustofsky   What do you suppose Jimbo's angle is here; tha...  
Kelly Martin   What do you suppose Jimbo's angle is here; th...  
lilburne   Wikipedia has long relied on the safe harbor prov...  
SB_Johnny   How so? My understanding is that it is targeted a...  
lilburne   How so? My understanding is that it is targeted ...  
SB_Johnny   [quote name='SB_Johnny' post='290590' date='Sat 1...  
lilburne   [quote name='SB_Johnny' post='290590' date='Sat ...  
powercorrupts   He's showing his contempt for government again...  
TungstenCarbide   He's showing his contempt for government agai...  
powercorrupts   He's showing his contempt for government aga...  
TungstenCarbide   [quote name='TungstenCarbide' post='290591' date='...  
thekohser   He's showing his contempt for government agai...  
EricBarbour   I didn't see Jimbo show much contempt for gov...  
Zoloft   I didn't see Jimbo show much contempt for go...  
powercorrupts   He's showing his contempt for government aga...  
Fusion   I'd be strongly in favor of a strike. It woul...  
radek   They shouldn't be wimpy about it though. Eit...  
Malik Shabazz   They shouldn't be wimpy about it though. Eit...  
Ottava   Anyone else think that if Jimbo really cared about...  
Eppur si muove   Anyone else think that if Jimbo really cared abou...  
Michaeldsuarez   Has humanity forgotten how to write to their repre...  
mydog   (Temporarily) See the RFC on his talk page. I th...  
radek   (Temporarily) See the RFC on his talk page. I t...  
The Joy   (Temporarily) See the RFC on his talk page. I t...  
TungstenCarbide   Jimbo really believes that a Wikipedia strike can ...  
radek   Jimbo really believes that a Wikipedia strike can...  
Cla68   I've always thought that the most likely event...  
SB_Johnny   I've always thought that the most likely even...  
SB_Johnny   Jimbo really believes that a Wikipedia strike can...  
SB_Johnny   IOW:  
Michaeldsuarez   If there is a strike, Jimbo is sure to be intervi...  
Ottava   I can tell you this - a change.org petition wont i...  
SB_Johnny   And if the WMF does get a lobbyist, seeing their ...  
TungstenCarbide   And if the WMF does get a lobbyist, seeing their t...  
Ottava   that's not implied - he flat out states that...  
SB_Johnny   [quote name='TungstenCarbide' post='290632' date=...  
Cla68   [quote name='Ottava' post='290633' date='Sun 11th...  
thekohser   I [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title...  
TungstenCarbide   I [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?titl...  
Tarc   [quote name='thekohser' post='290642' date='Mon 1...  
Cla68   [quote name='TungstenCarbide' post='290648' date=...  
cookiehead   Jimbo views wikipedia editors as subordinates. He...  
thekohser   Here's one example of that. Jimbo edits Manuk...  
cookiehead   Here's one example of that. Jimbo edits Manu...  
Detective   No Wikipedia article about Dow Lohnes. Must be a...  
thekohser   Dow Lohnes is not registered with the U.S. Senate...  
mnemonic   [quote name='Cla68' post='290638' date='Sun 11th ...  
thekohser   WMF's hiring of Dow Lohnes is public now, as ...  
Peter Damian   Poor Marek's comments (he is our 'Radek...  
radek   Eh, if anything, him hatting these comments prob...  
SB_Johnny   He's probably using the term "lobbyist...  
Eppur si muove   I know that a bit of bellowing and chest-thumping ...  
Emperor   Taking Wikipedia down even for an hour would prove...  
Peter Damian   Taking Wikipedia down even for an hour would prov...  
carbuncle   No comment...  
thekohser   No comment... Deliciously classic.  
Peter Damian   No comment... Deliciously classic. Quite, ...  
SB_Johnny   [quote name='thekohser' post='290652' date='Mon 1...  
mbz1   Jimbo's acting as CEO of Wikipedia :D  
Ottava   Here is the lobbyist database. Jim Burger does not...  
carbuncle   That means that the WMF is dead in the water in t...  
SB_Johnny   I doubt Jimbo will have any trouble getting this ...  
radek   I doubt Jimbo will have any trouble getting this...  
radek   [quote name='SB_Johnny' post='290709' date='Tue 1...  
cookiehead   Jimmy is assuming bad faith with his "hostile...  
Ottava   One of the first rules of lobbying is that you don...  
Emperor   Professional lobbyists are a waste of money. They...  
nableezy   Professional lobbyists are a waste of money. The...  
The Joy   Professional lobbyists are a waste of money. The...  
Ottava   Professional lobbyists are a waste of money. The...  
cookiehead   This brings up a point I think often overlooked by...  
iii   This brings up a point I think often overlooked b...  
Peter Damian   Meanwhile the news leaks out onto the internet. h...  
SB_Johnny   Interesting: (del/undel) 10:52, 10 D...  
Michaeldsuarez   Interesting: (del/undel) 10:52, 10 ...  
lilburne   Now there is fuckwittery of the Godwin kind. Se...  
EricBarbour   New Register article.  
thekohser   And, as usual, Seth Finkelstein is brilliant in ho...  
Michaeldsuarez   New Register article. I wonder whether Jimbo wi...  
mbz1   Jimmy is still unhapy about Cla What track recor...  
Cla68   [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Us...  
cookiehead   Cla68 does not profit off of Wikipedia, yet contri...  
thekohser   Cla68 does not profit off of Wikipedia, yet contr...  
EricBarbour   They haven't banned you yet? Just *who* are ...  
cookiehead   They haven't banned you yet? Just *who* are...  
SB_Johnny   They haven't banned you yet? Just *who* are...  
radek   [quote name='cookiehead' post='290759' date='Tue ...  
Michaeldsuarez   http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid...  
SB_Johnny   http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldi...  
radek   [quote name='Michaeldsuarez' post='290781' date='...  
EricBarbour   Funny thing is, III is correct. Plus: Jimbo posted...  
TungstenCarbide   Funny thing is, III is correct. Plus: Jimbo poste...  
lilburne   Godwin's replacement speaks: http://blog.wiki...  
TungstenCarbide   Godwin's replacement speaks: Wowah! The W...  
EricBarbour   Bullshit. Commons contains thousands of images sn...  
Ottava   Bullshit. Commons contains thousands of images s...  
Cla68   Bullshit. Commons contains thousands of images s...  
lilburne   Whenever someone from corporate management, any ...  
TungstenCarbide   If Geoff really was so smart, he wouldn't work...  
Kelly Martin   Geoff's blog post makes Godwin look like a chi...  
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thekohser   I think we should tell Congress to stop online pir...  
Peter Damian   I think we should tell Congress to [url=http://vi...  
lilburne   I think we should tell Congress to [url=http://v...  
SB_Johnny   Restored: Dow Lohnes.  
thekohser   Restored: [wp]Dow Lohnes. You restored a [url=ht...  
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thekohser   [quote name='thekohser' post='290907' date='Wed 1...  
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EricBarbour   Just in: a group letter, signed by the high nabobs...  
thekohser   Just in: a group letter, signed by the high nabob...  
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lilburne   And better yet:  
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GlassBeadGame   Exactly, Lilburne. Which is why it is generall...  
Michaeldsuarez   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Vil..._earl...  
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carbuncle   So users of WP with US IP addresses will see a ban...  
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RMHED   So users of WP with US IP addresses will see a b...  
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mbz1   [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wik...  
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Kelly Martin   If they shut down completely, this is true. But t...  
anthony   If they shut down completely, this is true. But ...  
thekohser   Apparently, they still allow a select few intellig...  
Michaeldsuarez   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:SOP...itiat...  
Michaeldsuarez   [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:SOPA_...  
Emperor   Stuff like this is a welcome warning. Now do you ...  
Fusion   Stuff like this is a welcome warning. Now do you...  
Emperor   Stuff like this is a welcome warning. Now do yo...  
Michaeldsuarez   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_tal...ence_...  
EricBarbour   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_tal...ence...  
Michaeldsuarez   [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:...  
Michaeldsuarez   http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid...  
lilburne   No one from Kansas I note, but at least one from...  
EricBarbour   Prodego is a typical deletionist evil patroller. H...  
Eppur si muove   Acoording to this, the number of "very active...  
EricBarbour   Acoording to [url=http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/T...  
SB_Johnny   Acoording to this, the number of "very activ...  
Eppur si muove   [quote name='Eppur si muove' post='293956' date='...  
thekohser   If Wikipedia decides to black itself out, I have a...  
SB_Johnny   Maybe not a newsflash, but it looks like Jimmy may...  
GlassBeadGame   Maybe not a newsflash, but it looks like Jimmy ma...  
Michaeldsuarez   Maybe not a newsflash, but it looks like Jimmy ma...  
Michaeldsuarez   http://www.dailydot.com/news/sopa-postponed/ The ...  
SB_Johnny   http://www.dailydot.com/news/sopa-postponed/ The...  
EricBarbour   NY Times Slate  
melloden   NY Times Slate By publicly attacking legislation...  
EricBarbour   By publicly attacking legislation, how can Wikipe...  
radek   [quote name='EricBarbour' post='294036' date='Mon...  
Emperor   Prediction: this will backfire big time. WMF can...  
Anonymous editor   doesn't make a big difference to me, but I don...  
Emperor   The whole idea of Wikipedia was to pirate content ...  
dogbiscuit   The whole idea of Wikipedia was to pirate content...  
radek   Since it will probably be removed. (hopefully not ...  
Doc glasgow   I have posted my own protest statement.  
carbuncle   I have posted my own protest statement. I chortl...  
Peter Damian   News of the blackout was on the front page of the ...  
EricBarbour   Good for you, Scott. You should have done this yea...  
SB_Johnny   And now "wikiality" comes full circle. B...  
Doc glasgow   And now "wikiality" [url=http://en.wiki...  
thekohser   [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Scott...  
Doc glasgow   You can count! None of them really "co...  
thekohser   You can count! None of them really "c...  
Doc glasgow   Let me know when you're ready to do some pai...  
Wikicrusher2   [quote name='Wikicrusher2' post='294122' date='Th...  
SB_Johnny   [quote name='Wikicrusher2' post='294122' date='T...  
Abd   Hey, nothing wrong with that :) Copying is not th...  
Wikicrusher2   [quote name='SB_Johnny' post='294270' date='Fri 2...  
SB_Johnny   [quote name='SB_Johnny' post='294270' date='Fri ...  
HRIP7   So what about the arrest of Kim Schmitz and the sh...  
Vigilant   [quote name='Wikicrusher2' post='294276' date='Fr...  
thekohser   Modifications to the copyright laws on behalf of ...  
SB_Johnny   You didn't piss me off, it's just that y...  
lilburne   I didn't say I'm particularly endeared to...  
anthony   Copyright as originally envisioned was a way to p...  
anthony   Creative material's classification as "p...  
lilburne   Copyright violation is copyright violation, a cr...  
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Shalom   This story should be called a SOPA opera.  
Wikicrusher2   Even a stopped clock is right twice a day. Wikip...  
EricBarbour   However, the blackout was not a unilateral decisi...  
thekohser   Right or not, the WMF is a nonprofit, and in both...  
Wikifan   pretty worthless block. Just refresh the page and ...  
Michaeldsuarez   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Art...rt_SO...  
SB_Johnny   And so the transformation from encyclopedia to pol...  
anthony   And so the transformation from encyclopedia to po...  
Emperor   [quote name='SB_Johnny' post='294318' date='Sat 2...  
Michaeldsuarez   Copyright as originally envisioned was a way to p...  
anthony   http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/misinterpreting-cop...  
lilburne   [quote name='Michaeldsuarez' post='294320' date='...  
SB_Johnny   IOW all property is an artificial concession of s...  
Doc glasgow   Indeed, although by one logic one has more claim o...  
anthony   Indeed, although by one logic one has more claim ...  
lilburne   +5 that  
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radek   So much of Wikipedia is comedy...... Seen the ...  
Emperor   Quote of the day.  
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