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> It's that time again!, Time for 2011 arbcom elections.
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post Thu 17th November 2011, 2:36pm
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I think the topic says it all, but the default questions they have for the candidates this year are particularly good from my view.
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post Thu 17th November 2011, 5:20pm
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Thank you for not utilizing the "Insert Link" feature of the message board, so that none of us need to waste any of our time looking at this big game of charades that you refer to.
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post Thu 17th November 2011, 7:08pm
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QUOTE(thekohser @ Thu 17th November 2011, 12:20pm) *

Thank you for not utilizing the "Insert Link" feature of the message board, so that none of us need to waste any of our time looking at this big game of charades that you refer to.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arb...2011/Candidates

Here's a link to the candidates. The nomination process is still ongoing, so we can expect more candidates to sign up. Most of the current candidates' usernames should be familiar. Coren, Kirill Lokshin, and Risker are incumbents, while Hersfold is a former Arbitrator. AGK, Courcelles, Geni, and Hot Stop are also running.

Here's a link to those general questions "that one guy" mentioned:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arb...estions/General

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post Thu 17th November 2011, 8:35pm
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QUOTE(Michaeldsuarez @ Thu 17th November 2011, 1:08pm) *

QUOTE(thekohser @ Thu 17th November 2011, 12:20pm) *

Thank you for not utilizing the "Insert Link" feature of the message board, so that none of us need to waste any of our time looking at this big game of charades that you refer to.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arb...2011/Candidates

Here's a link to the candidates. The nomination process is still ongoing, so we can expect more candidates to sign up. Most of the current candidates' usernames should be familiar. Coren, Kirill Lokshin, and Risker are incumbents, while Hersfold is a former Arbitrator. AGK, Courcelles, Geni, and Hot Stop are also running.

Here's a link to those general questions "that one guy" mentioned:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arb...estions/General


Lol, Geni is the person who thought that Vice-Presidents of the United States are not subject to fixed terms (among some other nonsense). And he says he's been de-admined three times. Not sure what the story with that one is.

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post Thu 17th November 2011, 9:15pm
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QUOTE(radek @ Thu 17th November 2011, 3:35pm) *

Lol, Geni is the person who thought that Vice-Presidents of the United States are not subject to fixed terms (among some other nonsense). And he says he's been de-admined three times. Not sure what the story with that one is.


http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...age=User%3AGeni

Are you sure he or she was desysopped three times? The log suggests that Geni was only desysopped once. Geni had four RfA's, and only two of them were successful. The sequence of events as I see it goes as follows:
  1. First RfA results in Geni becoming a sysop.
  2. Geni loses he or her sysop rights.
  3. Second RfA fails.
  4. Third RfA fails.
  5. Fourth RfA results in Geni becoming a sysop for a second time.


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post Thu 17th November 2011, 9:15pm
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QUOTE(radek @ Thu 17th November 2011, 3:35pm) *

Lol, Geni is the person who thought that Vice-Presidents of the United States are not subject to fixed terms (among some other nonsense).


What country do you live in? VPs in the United States could serve for 60 years, if they wanted.
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post Thu 17th November 2011, 9:25pm
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QUOTE(thekohser @ Thu 17th November 2011, 3:15pm) *

QUOTE(radek @ Thu 17th November 2011, 3:35pm) *

Lol, Geni is the person who thought that Vice-Presidents of the United States are not subject to fixed terms (among some other nonsense).


What country do you live in? VPs in the United States could serve for 60 years, if they wanted.


Term limits vs. fixed terms (yes there was some confusion on terminology in that discussion). I think (not 100% sure) that the term is still fixed at four years, though technically a VP can hold as many of these as they wish.

Anyway, the practical implications of all that is what? Last I checked Hubert Humphrey was no longer VP.

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QUOTE(radek @ Thu 17th November 2011, 3:35pm) *

Lol, Geni is the person who thought that Vice-Presidents of the United States are not subject to fixed terms (among some other nonsense). And he says he's been de-admined three times. Not sure what the story with that one is.


http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...age=User%3AGeni

Are you sure he or she was desysopped three times? The log suggests that Geni was only desysopped once. Geni had four RfA's, and only two of them were successful. The sequence of events as I see it goes as follows:
  1. First RfA results in Geni becoming a sysop.
  2. Geni loses he or her sysop rights.
  3. Second RfA fails.
  4. Third RfA fails.
  5. Fourth RfA results in Geni becoming a sysop for a second time.


It's what s/he claimed: "I've been de-admined 3 times that I can recall."

How did s/he loose'em first time?

Edit:
Ah, one of these other times was probably the temporary desysop by Jimbo, which preceded the official de-sysop by ArbCom. So this is the fella that was restoring Daniel's article.

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post Thu 17th November 2011, 9:49pm
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QUOTE(radek @ Thu 17th November 2011, 4:25pm) *

It's what s/he claimed: "I've been de-admined 3 times that I can recall."

How did s/he loose'em first time?

Edit:
Ah, one of these other times was probably the temporary desysop by Jimbo, which preceded the official de-sysop by ArbCom. So this is the fella that was restoring Daniel's article.


I guess you're right. That means a part of Geni's user rights log is missing, is located elsewhere, or is hidden from the public.

I guess the the following were the restorations that had him or her desysopped:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...e=Daniel_Brandt

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post Thu 17th November 2011, 10:02pm
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QUOTE(Michaeldsuarez @ Thu 17th November 2011, 3:15pm) *

Are you sure he or she was desysopped three times? The log suggests that Geni was only desysopped once. Geni had four RfA's, and only two of them were successful. The sequence of events as I see it goes as follows:[list=1]
[*]First RfA results in Geni becoming a sysop.
[*]Geni loses he or her sysop rights.
[*]Second RfA fails.
[*]Third RfA fails.
[*]Fourth RfA results in Geni becoming a sysop for a second time.

It doesn't matter how many times he was desysopped or not.

Geni is one of the most evil, destructive insiders they've ever had.
He used several socks to deliberately revert thousands of edits,
some bad, some good. This, in addition to harassing Daniel Brandt,
and even Jimbo himself.

And he obviously did it for kicks. Look thru this for some examples.

If they put him on Arbcom, you can thereafter be assured that Arbcom,
and the entire admin system, is utterly corrupt.

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post Thu 17th November 2011, 10:35pm
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QUOTE(EricBarbour @ Thu 17th November 2011, 5:02pm) *

It doesn't matter how many times he was desysopped or not.

Geni is one of the most evil, destructive insiders they've ever had.
He used several socks to deliberately revert thousands of edits,
some bad, some good. This, in addition to harassing Daniel Brandt,
and even Jimbo himself.

And he obviously did it for kicks. Look thru this for some examples.

If they put him on Arbcom, you can thereafter be assured that Arbcom,
and the entire admin system, is utterly corrupt.


Here's how Geni is attempting to justify those accounts:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=461057444

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post Fri 18th November 2011, 1:55am
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QUOTE(EricBarbour @ Thu 17th November 2011, 5:02pm) *

If they put him on Arbcom, you can thereafter be assured that Arbcom,
and the entire admin system, is utterly corrupt.


Geni for ArbCom!
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post Fri 18th November 2011, 4:30am
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The candidates were kinda expected, with one newish user who's has no chance so that doesn't count. The only surprise candidate is Geni but he's digging himself a huge hole with all those socks he's exposing. An instantly blocked 2006 account called User:Arbcom Candidate ???

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Oh bloody heck not Coren again.
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post Fri 18th November 2011, 3:55pm
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QUOTE(-DS- @ Fri 18th November 2011, 9:01am) *

Oh bloody heck not Coren again.


Hell, any guy who can make a living by publishing photos of naked Montreal women has my votes. evilgrin.gif
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post Fri 18th November 2011, 7:27pm
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QUOTE(A Horse With No Name @ Fri 18th November 2011, 10:55am) *

QUOTE(-DS- @ Fri 18th November 2011, 9:01am) *

Oh bloody heck not Coren again.


Hell, any guy who can make a living by publishing photos of naked Montreal women has my votes. evilgrin.gif


Coren is the one that helps maintain a website featuring stories about bestiality. There might be naked Montreal women, but they ain't mating with humans. Oh... wait.... now I see why you like Coren! smile.gif
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post Fri 18th November 2011, 9:19pm
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Incumbent Jclemens and a sysop named "Worm That Turned" are now running.
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QUOTE(thekohser @ Fri 18th November 2011, 1:55am) *

Geni for ArbCom!


Yes. The people who edit wp but can't spell or write should have a representative on arbcom.

Here is a slide show Geni narrated in 2006 where he argued that voting in arbcom elections is important.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arb..._Michaeldsuarez

I asked Geni several questions. The answers are interesting.

I'm planning to ask some more questions. Does anyone have any suggestions?
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QUOTE(tarantino @ Fri 18th November 2011, 8:11pm) *

QUOTE(thekohser @ Fri 18th November 2011, 1:55am) *

Geni for ArbCom!


Yes. The people who edit wp but can't spell or write should have a representative on arbcom.

Here is a slide show Geni narrated in 2006 where he argued that voting in arbcom elections is important.


Heh heh. "The Arbitration Committee are the final line" - wait how many committees are we voting for here and can all of them really be the final line simultaneously?

QUOTE(Michaeldsuarez @ Fri 18th November 2011, 8:36pm) *

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arb..._Michaeldsuarez

I asked Geni several questions. The answers are interesting.

I'm planning to ask some more questions. Does anyone have any suggestions?


Sigh, in cases like these after a certain point I start feeling bad for the person involved, no matter how much they deserve it.
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Can you please describe how you've changed since you were desysopped in 2007?

A: Well I've got slightly better at walking away. At the same time the foundation and the various upper echelons of wikipedia have become a lot more professional which means a lot of the grey areas that I tended to get caught in have become a lot more settled.©Geni 22:59, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, it's gotten a little more "professional", in that assholes like Geni are no longer trying
to harass their critics (openly anyway), Daniel Brandt being only the most infamous example.

Things are quieter mostly because SV, Jayjg, Guy, JoshuaZ, Durova, and several others
are kinda scarce these days--because they were caught doing dirt to people. Not for lack
of desire to screw somebody over.

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