JayJG Bulk POV Edit Bot Back in Action, ....was busy "elsewhere" crying on Wikien-l for months Options

[dogbiscuit]

It suggests he has has a sockpuppet account and fears that comparison of edits with that account will reveal it as his sock, thus he taking these defensive measures in pre writing edits copying them into notepad and then posting them on WP en mass.

Didn't realise jorge was an anagram of Durova...

Well could you think of any other reason why someone would make 31 edits within two minutes? I certainly can't.

(Sorry that was meant to be a smiley, I thought it sound logic).

What was in my mind was that, given the presumption of guilt, if this was done by someone that they disapproved of there would be new policy being spouted forth like no tomorrow.

Perhaps someone should try adding this to the WP:SOCK policy: automated edits are not allowed as they may be used to evade SOCK checking.

On a practical side, you cannot design an edit in the morning and know that the edit will be ok in the evening, and you cannot discuss edits with a bot.

[anthony]

When Jayjg was gone, some of his allies got banned. Jayjg, despite all his power and influence over wikipedia and Jimbo, hasn't done a thing to get them unbanned.

One guy was this guy who was making all the middle-eastern articles biased like jayjg wanted them.

The other was always attacking jayjg's enemies.

Both had weird middle-eastern usernames I can't remember at all.

Jay was banned from editing for a certain period of time, either by arb com or by Jimbo. And he is now on some type of editing restriction, most likely something to do with the types of edits he can make within 24 hours of each other (think zero/one revert rule). This was all kept quiet.

I'm fairly convinced of this. No direct evidence, but it makes a lot of sense.

EDIT: No more than one edit to any particular article in a 24-hour period would explain it.

This post has been edited by anthony: Wed 19th December 2007, 12:01pm

[Herschelkrustofsky]

When good-naturedly questioned about his bot-like edits, Jjayg responds with a quote from Roy Batty, the leader of the Nexus Six androids in the Blade Runner screenplay.

"Fiery the angels fell. Deep thunder rolled around their shores... burning with the fires of Orc."

I wonder if his account will expire after four years? So much could be read in to his choice of words, but I suspect he's just trying to appear deep and yes, mess with us.

that's about right. Jajyg should, like Batty, have his account recalled. He ran amok and WP:PHILIPDICK policy calls for accountability.

[Moulton]

Jay was banned from editing for a certain period of time, either by arb com or by Jimbo. And he is now on some type of editing restriction, most likely something to do with the types of edits he can make within 24 hours of each other (think zero/one revert rule). This was all kept quiet.

I'm fairly convinced of this. No direct evidence, but it makes a lot of sense.

If that were true, it would make sense for him to queue up his edits and then release them as a batch when the diurnal timeclock expires.

[Heat]

Jay was banned from editing for a certain period of time, either by arb com or by Jimbo. And he is now on some type of editing restriction, most likely something to do with the types of edits he can make within 24 hours of each other (think zero/one revert rule). This was all kept quiet.

I'm fairly convinced of this. No direct evidence, but it makes a lot of sense.

If that were true, it would make sense for him to queue up his edits and then release them as a batch when the diurnal timeclock expires.

Forcing Jay to be a Jaybot makes it less likely he'll get involved in edit wars and perhaps a "cooling off" period between edit and implementation is designed to reduce the chance that he'll fly off the handle.

It doesn't look like he's been using CheckUser either. He's blocked two IPs as Alberuni socks but he wouldn't need check user to do this as he'd already know Aberuni's previous IPs.

[LamontStormstar]

So what would JayJG have done that could have gotten him restricted by ArbCom/Jimbo?

[Heat]

I don't know, but the fact that he is only editing in one spasm every 24 hours and is so careful not to do it twice in a 24 hour period that he's set his program to resume exactly 24 hours and 1 minute after his last edit is strongly indicative of a restriction. If he was just trying to limit himself - or for some reason had limited internet access - why not just set his program to edit at the same time every day rather than 24 hours + 1 minute after the last edit? It's reminiscent of the revert warrior who obeys the letter of 3RR by waiting exactly 24 hours and 1 minute before making the fourth revert.

It also looks like Jayjg has so little self-control that instead of doing what any normal person would do and just log on to wikipedia every day and a bit or so and edit for a few minutes he's set a program that allows him to, evidently, write his edits in advance throughout the day and then have them submitted all at once.

[Derktar]

From Jayjg's talk page:

Re: the email

Hi Jayjg, This is why:
“ 3RR is not an entitlement, but an "electric fence ”

cheers, nat.utoronto 02:56, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Not sure how this ties in but I found in intriguing.

[Somey]

I don't know, but the fact that he is only editing in one spasm every 24 hours and is so careful not to do it twice in a 24 hour period that he's set his program to resume exactly 24 hours and 1 minute after his last edit is strongly indicative of a restriction. If he was just trying to limit himself - or for some reason had limited internet access - why not just set his program to edit at the same time every day rather than 24 hours + 1 minute after the last edit? It's reminiscent of the revert warrior who obeys the letter of 3RR by waiting exactly 24 hours and 1 minute before making the fourth revert.

I'm sure he's just doing it to screw with people's heads, but still... I'd like to see the code he's using! I thought about writing a program like that myself, once, to leave randomly-selected awards on randomly-selected Uncyclopedia user-talk pages. But then I figured, hey, stupid idea...

It could be the program isn't set to check for the actual time-of-day, but is actually using a timer object, which is a common feature of most programming IDE's these days. If the timer is set to go off exactly 24 hours after the previous run, and the previous run lasted a minute, then voila, 24 hours and one minute.

It also looks like Jayjg has so little self-control that instead of doing what any normal person would do and just log on to wikipedia every day and a bit or so and edit for a few minutes he's set a program that allows him to, evidently, write his edits in advance throughout the day and then have them submitted all at once.

If he's stressed out from all the wikidrama he's helped create, that's actually a perfectly reasonable explanation. Maybe he's doing this under doctor's orders...?

Of course, if we think longer-term, remember that software development generally occurs in phases. If Phase 1 is the relatively simple hybridization of automated vandal-bot code with a local database that allows him to set up batch edits in advance, what's Phase 2? Something tells me it isn't a feature that leaves randomly-selected awards on randomly-selected user-talk pages.

[gomi]

Someone should report him as an unregistered bot and see what happens!

[anthony]

So what would JayJG have done that could have gotten him restricted by ArbCom/Jimbo?

Is that a serious question? Wikipedia Review has an entire forum filled with things he's done. He's been involved in long protracted edit wars on various pages for a long time now, for one. About the only thing he does on Wikipedia is push his point of view. Even if you just take his publicly known actions, he's still been involved in plenty of things that deserve restriction. And I'm sure there's a lot more once you know the private details. He's "caused a huge amount of unnecessary drama", as certain people would say.

A restriction to no more than one edit to any particular article in a 24-hour period would explain his current editing. It's either that or he's just doing this to mess with us. The latter, I think, gives him way too much credit.

[LamontStormstar]

I don't know, but the fact that he is only editing in one spasm every 24 hours and is so careful not to do it twice in a 24 hour period that he's set his program to resume exactly 24 hours and 1 minute after his last edit is strongly indicative of a restriction. If he was just trying to limit himself - or for some reason had limited internet access - why not just set his program to edit at the same time every day rather than 24 hours + 1 minute after the last edit? It's reminiscent of the revert warrior who obeys the letter of 3RR by waiting exactly 24 hours and 1 minute before making the fourth revert.

It also looks like Jayjg has so little self-control that instead of doing what any normal person would do and just log on to wikipedia every day and a bit or so and edit for a few minutes he's set a program that allows him to, evidently, write his edits in advance throughout the day and then have them submitted all at once.

Maybe because he's socking under different ISPs and he prefers a different ISP better than the one he used for the Jayjg account. So he's socking on another ISP and that's what he watchlists and checks and all. Then once a day he jumps to the Jayjg account to do all his edits at once under the same Jayjg IP range.

So what would JayJG have done that could have gotten him restricted by ArbCom/Jimbo?

Is that a serious question? Wikipedia Review has an entire forum filled with things he's done.

ArbCom normally supports these actions rather than opposes them or at the very least doesn't care.

[Somey]

Okay, so what's all this, then?

Subject: [WikiEN-l] Messianic Judaism
From: jayjg (address redacted, FWIW)

Someone has conveniently deleted all the criticism from the lead, in violation of [[WP:LEAD]].

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=175525305

I'm planning to go in tonight and do some re-adding and tagging. Will you be able to watch my back?

So, what's the deal here? Does he have a live streaming webcam focused on his back while he's editing WP? And why would he want to ensure that people were watching it? I hope he wears a shirt while this is going on...

I don't blame him for wanting to ensure that the Messianic_Judaism article remains in a pristine state, but this e-mail didn't have a salutation on it. Is it possible it was sent to more than one person, perhaps on yet another sooper-sekrit list?

Well, that's just great. If it turns out there really is a sooper-sekrit mailing list devoted to maintaining the preferred state of Judaism-related articles on WP, how soon do you think we'll hear the end of that? I'm thinking sometime in the 27th century, but only if we're really, really lucky.

Oh well...Oops!

(Also discussed here)

[BobbyBombastic]

I think it was meant to go to one person

Will you be able to watch my back?

If I were to post a similar message here or to a list I would say "can someone watch my back?"

Here's a link to Kelly's blog about this:

http://nonbovine-ruminations.blogspot.com/2007/12/oops.html

[jorge]

I think it was meant to go to one person

Will you be able to watch my back?

If I were to post a similar message here or to a list I would say "can someone watch my back?"

Here's a link to Kelly's blog about this:

http://nonbovine-ruminations.blogspot.com/2007/12/oops.html

I assume when Kelly says Judaism, she also means Israel-Palestine issues and anyone who dares support the Palestinians.

[LamontStormstar]

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=179227183

== Be wary ==

As you appear to have crossed paths with the user who goes by names including "tewfiq'. 'ironduke' and 'jajg', you are probably going to get banned from wikipedia soon. It's this users practice to ban any user who doesn't tow the straight neo-con/likud line by claiming that there's only one non-Zionist in the wikipedia-verse called' alberuni'.
You'll soon be accused so be ready. [[Special:Contributions/68.218.6.96|68.218.6.96]] ([[User talk:68.218.6.96|talk]]) 23:29, 19 December 2007 (UTC) (Syrian-American user anonymous by choice to avoid flame/racial attacks from tewfiq/jajg/ironduke/misc sockpuppets)

:: As an example, Mr. Amaliq, note only that Jayjg/Tewfiq/IronDuke removed the previous comment from your page! So, do, please, be careful! "rafiq shami" [[Special:Contributions/68.218.6.96|68.218.6.96]] ([[User talk:68.218.6.96|talk]]) 01:24, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Could Jayjg be Ironduke or this tewfiq fellow? I don't know if the guy spelled tewfiq right or not as a he spelled jayjg wrong.

[jorge]

Could Jayjg be Ironduke or this tewfiq fellow? I don't know if the guy spelled tewfiq right or not as a he spelled jayjg wrong.

Well, I think IronDuke disappeared at the same time as Jayjg back in July, not sure about Tewfik though. But they are both certainly doing their best to "shape public opinion" as the Israeli Foreign Ministry puts it.

[Piperdown]

Ironduke
Join Date: 08-02-2003
Total Posts: 5,455 (3.41 posts per day)
Date of Birth:
July 6, 1983
Age:
24
Biography:
I attend the University of Minnesota. I'm a political science major with an emphasis on foreign & defense policy.
Location:
Minneapolis
Interests:
Geopolitical Issues, US Foreign Policy, Military/Defense Developments. I also enjoy bicycling, weightlifting, and beer.
Home Country:
United States

http://www.worldaffairsboard.com/members/ironduke.html

and a Minnesota U. coincidence

http://www.ece.umn.edu/users/tewfik/


This post has been edited by Piperdown: Fri 21st December 2007, 1:27pm

[LamontStormstar]

I've hear rumors Al'i (or some spelling like it) is Jayjg.

It's also possible these aren't Jayjg, but people recruited by the Hasbara fellowships.

[LamontStormstar]

Anyone seen Borat where he explains why he won't get on a plane?