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No, it seems that verification was not formalized before. FT2 brought this up in October, and the requirement was added in: QUOTE(FT2) There is a good chance that any person wishing to sit for Arbcom may need to identify to WMF. Of course the majority of Arbitrators do, but at present it is not a requirement that a user will do so. I think this is unavoidable, and worth raising prior to nominations. I've raised it on arbcom-l also. ... FT2 (Talk | email) 16:31, 16 October 2008 (UTC)I guess Sam was just grandfathered in. Incidentally, is this really important? I don't think there was a reason to out NYB, for example. On the other hand, I guess Sam is different because even the Foundation doesn't know. With his non-privileges he might be able to...learn something private on the Arb list, maybe. I dunno. I'm just tired of outing.
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QUOTE(One @ Wed 12th November 2008, 3:43am) I dunno. I'm just tired of outing.
How is this outing? He signed his emails to the public wikien-l "Sam Blacketer London E15". E15 is the postcode district for Stratford. I suspect most people assume it's his real name. If it's a pseudonym, as he sort of alludes to here, it should be made clear. Don't you find it slightly intriguing that he shows up in Dec 2006, makes over a thousand edits in his first ten days, and a year later he's an elite member? He has access to confidential information on the arbcom wiki and mailng list. He should be verified.
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I don't think that http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Identification_noticeboard is an exhaustive list of people who've identified to the WMF. Take for example this user who it would seem has identified but is not listed on the ID noticeboard. Perhaps someone should ask Sam on his talkpage to clarify whether he has identified given that this is now a requirement for ArbCom candidates?
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QUOTE(Knight @ Wed 12th November 2008, 4:37am) I don't think that http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Identification_noticeboard is an exhaustive list of people who've identified to the WMF. Take for example this user who it would seem has identified but is not listed on the ID noticeboard. Perhaps someone should ask Sam on his talkpage to clarify whether he has identified given that this is now a requirement for ArbCom candidates? If he were some random steward, I would agree. But I don't think it's coincidence that he's the only one night identified and the only one without tools. FT2 was clearly talking about someone. I think tarantino has made a good conclusion here. But, I guess someone can ask. Tarantino: I don't assume people use their real names. "Blacketer" is a fairly uncommon name, and I think it is a pseudonym.
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QUOTE(Alex @ Wed 12th November 2008, 11:18am) And Sam Blacketer almost certainly is a pseudonym.
As mentioned in this thread here. the pseudonymous Sam Blacketer attacked Greg by name on wikien-l. Only Alex rightly called him on it. QUOTE On Nov 24, 2007 4:22 PM, Majorly <xxxxx at googlemail.com> wrote:
> On 24/11/2007, Sam Blacketer <xxxxx at googlemail.com> wrote: > > > > I hope Greg Kohs is as sick as a parrot. > <http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l> > Why would you say something like that? >
Because it shows the utter pointlessness of Wikipedia Review, an attempt for him to make money by writing supportive articles on his clients. As the header says, "get paid to edit ethically" and that means that both the payments and the edits are ethical, as opposed to Wikipedia Review when they were neither.
-- Sam Blacketer London E15
So we have a UK Wikipedian, with what can be construed as a misleading identity, that is well-versed in the MMORPG and exhibits antipathy towards Greg. Why does this sound familiar?
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QUOTE(One @ Wed 12th November 2008, 3:43am) Incidentally, is this really important? I don't think there was a reason to out NYB, for example.
There's no way to know if it's important until after it's done. If Newyorkbrad had turned out to be, say, a twenty-two year old fantasist in Nebraska who was falsely claiming to be a Manhattan litigation attorney, then it would have been important. I'd say that learning that he is exactly who he said he was was also important, in that it built confidence. Likewise with Sam Blacketer. Suppose he turns out to be an agent of the British government? Or a international currency manipulator? Etc. Has anyone scrutinized his edits for a possible conflict of interest, and without knowing who he is, would we even know what to look for? A failure to proactively vet candidates is what allows "Essjays" and "Poetlisters" to slip by. Assuming that there isn't a problem without having checked is bad management. Before we say, "How could we have let this happen again?" let's be clear: we are very actively letting it happen again when we attempt to pressure people like Tarantino out of investigating. Truth is not the enemy.
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QUOTE(Knight @ Wed 12th November 2008, 4:37am) Perhaps someone should ask Sam on his talkpage to clarify whether he has identified given that this is now a requirement for ArbCom candidates?
Even if he identified himself to the Foundation, what good would that be? Remember, they certified Essjay - do you think they're going to tell us about whatever problems they find? Cary Bass also certified MB's "Cato" sockpuppet: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/?diff=924059&diffonly=yesI asked him about it, but Arbitrator FT2 blanked my question, to which Mr. Bass never responded. QUOTE(Proabivouac) "Mr. Bass states above that "…this has demonstrated that our process does, in fact, work." If this is success, what would count as failure? What steps did Mr. Bass take to verify Cato's identity? Was the information given accurate?" http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?titl...v&oldid=1199214The record suggests that trusting the Foundation to exercise due diligence is a mistake. Any credible vetting will have to come from us.
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QUOTE(tarantino @ Thu 13th November 2008, 2:20am) QUOTE(Alex @ Wed 12th November 2008, 11:18am) And Sam Blacketer almost certainly is a pseudonym.
As mentioned in this thread here. the pseudonymous Sam Blacketer attacked Greg by name on wikien-l. Only Alex rightly called him on it. QUOTE On Nov 24, 2007 4:22 PM, Majorly <xxxxx at googlemail.com> wrote:
> On 24/11/2007, Sam Blacketer <xxxxx at googlemail.com> wrote: > > > > I hope Greg Kohs is as sick as a parrot. > <http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l> > Why would you say something like that? >
Because it shows the utter pointlessness of Wikipedia Review, an attempt for him to make money by writing supportive articles on his clients. As the header says, "get paid to edit ethically" and that means that both the payments and the edits are ethical, as opposed to Wikipedia Review when they were neither.
-- Sam Blacketer London E15
I revisited this a few days ago, and I've figured out who Sam is. If Jimmy and the voters had known what his older account was, he probably wouldn't be an arb today. You played a great round of Wikipedia this time, Sam.
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QUOTE(thekohser @ Fri 22nd May 2009, 2:11am) QUOTE(One @ Tue 11th November 2008, 11:43pm) I dunno. I'm just tired of outing.
I'm tired of people using tax-deductible dollar funded website resources to say things like "I hope Greg Kohs is sick as a parrot", without themselves being identified publicly. "Sick as a parrot" is a lighthearted sports cliche meaning pissed off, or disappointed. "I can't believe Ronaldo missed the goal with that shot, he must be sick as a parrot about it" etc. It might be lost in translation and I wouldn't take that phrase too seriously. I'd be more annoyed that a prominent supporter of Wikipedia, where ethics are so low it has seen innocent people detained at airports, has described Wikipedia Review as having "no ethics".
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QUOTE(One @ Thu 21st May 2009, 10:16pm) QUOTE(Kato @ Fri 22nd May 2009, 1:20am) I'd be more annoyed that a prominent supporter of Wikipedia, where ethics are so low it has seen innocent people detained at airports, has described Wikipedia Review as having "no ethics". You hit that one out of the park. (for the non USians among us That's a sports cliche from US baseball and it means "extremely well done" or "remarkably apt") I agree.
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QUOTE (for the non USians among us That's a sports cliche from US baseball and it means "extremely well done" or "remarkably apt")
Heh. Of course due to aggressive cultural imperialism, complimented by a certain cultural insularity, corporate-enforced and general, the idiom ignorance tends to be uni-directional.
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QUOTE(Alex @ Fri 22nd May 2009, 8:25pm) He's now identified. Not that that means much though. Anybody who's on Arbcom who hasn't publicly id'ed themselves is probably hiding something. Does anybody doubt that people are editing WP to push the POVs of outside entities? That one or more these types has gotten elected to arbcom should be no surprise, especially when pseudos are the norm. The solutions? Simple: requiring people in positions of trust to disclose identities and conflicts of interest. This isn't rocket science, folks. I'll be very surprised if only one of the non-ided arbs has a hidden agenda.... QUOTE(Alex @ Fri 22nd May 2009, 8:25pm) He's now identified. Not that that means much though. If the WMF foundation thinks that saying "we know who this is" is going to solve this problem, they're hopelessly naïve...
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QUOTE(trenton @ Fri 22nd May 2009, 4:33pm) it's kinda funny looking at that page. What kind of job is it to follow Cary Bass around and fix his edits? How long will it take before Cary Bass realizes how to add people and edit the page correctly?
Well I guess it's a small miracle that Cary Bass at least manages to put them in alphabetical order.
Nearly impossible given that the data the guy keeps adding is a diff link that's only generated after Cary adds the name. (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/ermm.gif)
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QUOTE(tarantino @ Tue 11th November 2008, 11:31pm) Are there any of you Wikipedians out there who have met the most secretive of the current arbs, Sam? It's probable that he's using a pseudonym. Though he used to sign his emails "Sam Blacketer London E15", all the phone books and people directories I checked show no instances of that name anywhere in the UK. Additionally he is the only one out the 13 who does not have either the CU or oversight tools and has not verified his identity with the WMF. I thought there was a requirement that you must be at least 18 to be an arb. How has he proven this? Er, you lost me. Thirteen? There are 16 current Arbs....
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QUOTE(MZMcBride @ Fri 22nd May 2009, 5:26pm) QUOTE(tarantino @ Tue 11th November 2008, 11:31pm) Are there any of you Wikipedians out there who have met the most secretive of the current arbs, Sam? It's probable that he's using a pseudonym. Though he used to sign his emails "Sam Blacketer London E15", all the phone books and people directories I checked show no instances of that name anywhere in the UK. Additionally he is the only one out the 13 who does not have either the CU or oversight tools and has not verified his identity with the WMF. I thought there was a requirement that you must be at least 18 to be an arb. How has he proven this? Er, you lost me. Thirteen? There are 16 current Arbs.... Uh... check the date
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QUOTE(CrazyGameOfPoker @ Fri 22nd May 2009, 6:00pm) QUOTE(MZMcBride @ Fri 22nd May 2009, 5:26pm) QUOTE(tarantino @ Tue 11th November 2008, 11:31pm) Are there any of you Wikipedians out there who have met the most secretive of the current arbs, Sam? It's probable that he's using a pseudonym. Though he used to sign his emails "Sam Blacketer London E15", all the phone books and people directories I checked show no instances of that name anywhere in the UK. Additionally he is the only one out the 13 who does not have either the CU or oversight tools and has not verified his identity with the WMF. I thought there was a requirement that you must be at least 18 to be an arb. How has he proven this? Er, you lost me. Thirteen? There are 16 current Arbs.... Uh... check the dateOh, bah. Is it really so hard to start a new topic? When these things span months and have long gaps, I always get confused. (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/tongue.gif) Thanks for the clarification.
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QUOTE(CrazyGameOfPoker @ Fri 22nd May 2009, 4:03pm) QUOTE(trenton @ Fri 22nd May 2009, 4:33pm) it's kinda funny looking at that page. What kind of job is it to follow Cary Bass around and fix his edits? How long will it take before Cary Bass realizes how to add people and edit the page correctly?
Well I guess it's a small miracle that Cary Bass at least manages to put them in alphabetical order.
Nearly impossible given that the data the guy keeps adding is a diff link that's only generated after Cary adds the name. (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/ermm.gif) I know, which is why I said add and edit.... but still the guy has his little helpers following him around. Teach a guy to fish and all that.... QUOTE I've complained about the inability to generate this sort of link at edit time before.
There are some things a wiki is not suited for and this may be one of them.
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QUOTE(CharlotteWebb @ Sat 23rd May 2009, 7:26pm) QUOTE(CharlotteWebb @ Sat 23rd May 2009, 9:53am) QUOTE(tarantino @ Thu 13th November 2008, 2:20am) So we have a UK Wikipedian, with what can be construed as a misleading identity, that is well-versed in the MMORPG and exhibits antipathy towards Greg. Why does this sound familiar?
You can add "interested in Wikiquote" to this list if the old account as what I think. So I was right: http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/User:FysProbably called David, likely works for Westminster City Council went to St Catharine's College, Cambridge in the early 90's.
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