Ottava leaves Wikipedia Options

[Mathsci]

It was a mistake for LHVU to unlock Ottava's talk page for other registered users to post. It's not serving any purpose, except possibly for upsetting everybody involved, including Ottava.

No, it wasn't a mistake, the mistake was to protect it in the first place. But as the pastor has said, nobody is ever really blocked or banned anyway-- despite what the wikiclots say at RfA there's no technical difference between the two--because there's no way to do either.

I'm not sure whether Ottava would sock actually. It's theoretically possible, but I think it would probably be against his principles.

I expect his talk page to be locked again if the level of vitriol plummets any further.

[Malleus]

It was a mistake for LHVU to unlock Ottava's talk page for other registered users to post. It's not serving any purpose, except possibly for upsetting everybody involved, including Ottava.

No, it wasn't a mistake, the mistake was to protect it in the first place. But as the pastor has said, nobody is ever really blocked or banned anyway-- despite what the wikiclots say at RfA there's no technical difference between the two--because there's no way to do either.

I'm not sure whether Ottava would sock actually. It's theoretically possible, but I think it would probably be against his principles.

I expect his talk page to be locked again if the level of vitriol plummets any further.

I don't think that he'd sock either; as you say, too principled.

[Kelly Martin]

I'd ban Newyorkbrad and his ilk before Ottava, because as far as I can see they don't contribute anything worth spit and take an unhealthy pleasure in lording it over other editors whose boots they're not fit to clean.

To be fair to Newyorbrad, he has competently written or updated several articles within his area of particular knowledge, mainly biographies of deceased jurists. A niche topic, to be sure, but most people's work on Wikipedia is on niche topics, and I'd have to say that jurists of historical note are a more encyclopedic topic than many of the others popular with Wikipedia's "writing elite".

On the list of people who are totally fucking Wikipedia over, Newyorkbrad's name doesn't even make the first volume. Go pick on someone who really deserves it. Like just about anyone else there.

Sanctimonious twats will always be at the top of my list.

Oh, the irony.

[Malleus]

Oh, the irony.

"Infamy, infamy, they've all got it in for me."

This post has been edited by Malleus: Sun 27th December 2009, 7:16pm

[Mathsci]

Oh, the irony.

"Infamy, infamy, they've all got it in for me."

Why does Malleus keep saying on WP and here that it was NYB who proposed the 1 year ban?

It was Wizardman who drafted the proposals.

This is what NYB wrote:

Support. By far the most miserable task we must perform as arbitrators is to tell a knowledgeable, experienced editor with much to offer the encyclopedia that he or she must leave our project. Unfortunately, the sheer number and nature of the problematic interactions to which Ottava Rima has been a party is unacceptable. Sometimes Ottava Rima has been wrong on the underlying issue, and sometimes right, and sometimes it is a judgment call—but too often strident, unyielding, rhetorically excessive, uncollaborative. And my efforts to assist Ottava Rima in recognizing that he needs to change his on-wiki behavior, and urge him toward working to do so, reflected in my questions to him on the workshop and elsewhere, have been completely unsuccessful. It is clear that Ottava Rima needs, at a minimum, some time away from this environment. Therefore, with regret, I support the proposed ban. ¶ With respect to the length of the ban, I will support the traditional length of one year, but with the comment that Ottava Rima, if he wishes, can submit to the Committee after a few months a request to shorten the ban length. To warrant favorable consideration, I would expect such a request to include specific commitments as to how Ottava Rima would behave differently on-wiki from now on, to be embodied in binding restrictions, so that we would then regain the benefit of his valued content contributions without the negative aspects of his participation. I would also anticipate that such a request would be the subject of an opportunity for community comment before being acted upon.

[Malleus]

Oh, the irony.

"Infamy, infamy, they've all got it in for me."

Why does Malleus keep saying on WP and here that it was NYB who proposed the 1 year ban?

It was Wizardman who drafted the proposals.

This is what NYB wrote:

Support. By far the most miserable task we must perform as arbitrators is to tell a knowledgeable, experienced editor with much to offer the encyclopedia that he or she must leave our project. Unfortunately, the sheer number and nature of the problematic interactions to which Ottava Rima has been a party is unacceptable. Sometimes Ottava Rima has been wrong on the underlying issue, and sometimes right, and sometimes it is a judgment call—but too often strident, unyielding, rhetorically excessive, uncollaborative. And my efforts to assist Ottava Rima in recognizing that he needs to change his on-wiki behavior, and urge him toward working to do so, reflected in my questions to him on the workshop and elsewhere, have been completely unsuccessful. It is clear that Ottava Rima needs, at a minimum, some time away from this environment. Therefore, with regret, I support the proposed ban. ¶ With respect to the length of the ban, I will support the traditional length of one year, but with the comment that Ottava Rima, if he wishes, can submit to the Committee after a few months a request to shorten the ban length. To warrant favorable consideration, I would expect such a request to include specific commitments as to how Ottava Rima would behave differently on-wiki from now on, to be embodied in binding restrictions, so that we would then regain the benefit of his valued content contributions without the negative aspects of his participation. I would also anticipate that such a request would be the subject of an opportunity for community comment before being acted upon.

If you want to know, why don't you ask me? Truth be told, I can't tell one of the the dishonest pratts from another, they all make my skin crawl.

[Mathsci]

And just when GWH was cosying up to you on WP ...

You really should learn some manners.

[Malleus]

And just when GWH was cosying up to you on WP ...

You really should learn some manners.

You really should try for some comon sense. It's really not that difficult, if you just open your fucking eyes.

[One]

No person should be banned -- and, technically, no person is ever banned. Disabling an account is not the same thing as physically barring a person from participating.

You know I know this. People can evade a ban in 15 seconds. It's not like this page is restricted in any fashion whatsoever.

[A Horse With No Name]

But as the pastor has said...

The who said?

"Infamy, infamy, they've all got it in for me."

Oh, if only Wikipedia was a fraction of the fun of the "Carry On " films!

If you want to know, why don't you ask me? Truth be told, I can't tell one of the the dishonest pratts from another, they all make my skin crawl.

Itchy skin? You should go for some aloe vera.

Or maybe you should go for some 'Allo, Vera!

I despise the lot of them, in case anyone is in any doubt, but what I particularly despise is their acquiescence in the manner of their choosing. They're all beholden to the faux God jimbo. Pathetic.

I don't despise them at all. I actually feel sorry for them -- you have to realize that none of them have ever accomplished anything of value in a professional manner and there is no reason to believe they ever will. Arbcom, for better or worse, is a peak achievement for them.

[RMHED]

I don't despise them at all. I actually feel sorry for them -- you have to realize that none of them have ever accomplished anything of value in a professional manner and there is no reason to believe they ever will. Arbcom, for better or worse, is a peak achievement for them.

I peaked when I was 12, it's all been a long slow decline since then.

[A Horse With No Name]

I peaked when I was 12, it's all been a long slow decline since then.

Yeah, but you are going downhill in style -- sort of like Jean-Claude Killy, except you are not French and you are not on skis.

[Trick cyclist]

I'll just leave the humor to Somey. It is safe with him!

Totally safe. He never lets the slightest morsel escape onto the pages of WR.

[RMHED]

I'll just leave the humor to Somey. It is safe with him!

Totally safe. He never lets the slightest morsel escape onto the pages of WR.

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh you bitch! Mi(fucking)aow.

[Mathsci]

And just when GWH was cosying up to you on WP ...

You really should learn some manners.

You really should try for some comon sense. It's really not that difficult, if you just open your fucking eyes.

I've no idea what you're talking about and why you've been so rude about NYB. Everything he said about Ottava seems to be correct.

[RMHED]

And just when GWH was cosying up to you on WP ...

You really should learn some manners.

You really should try for some comon sense. It's really not that difficult, if you just open your fucking eyes.

I've no idea what you're talking about and why you've been so rude about NYB. Everything he said about Ottava seems to be correct.

Dear old fat balding Bradley is often correct, it doesn't though stop him from being a sanctimonious old bore who could waffle on ad infinitum.

[A Horse With No Name]

I've no idea what you're talking about and why you've been so rude about NYB. Everything he said about Ottava seems to be correct.

Someday, someone is going to have to acknowledge that all of this blocking and banning stuff just doesn't work. I wish there was a more intelligent alternative that could be put in place.

[Coffee]

You really should try for some comon sense. It's really not that difficult, if you just open your fucking eyes.

Well said for someone who seems to keep their eyes sewn shut 24/7.

[Malleus]

I've no idea what you're talking about and why you've been so rude about NYB. Everything he said about Ottava seems to be correct.

Someday, someone is going to have to acknowledge that all of this blocking and banning stuff just doesn't work. I wish there was a more intelligent alternative that could be put in place.

There has to be a better way, but what's clear is that there's no will to find one.

[A Horse With No Name]

... it doesn't though stop him from being a sanctimonious old bore who could waffle on ad infinitum.

You know, I love fried chicken and waffles. Throw in some Cajun okra and mmmmm, mmmmmm, I am one happy Horsey.

Can anyone here cook?