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QUOTE(Bob Boy @ Fri 27th June 2008, 10:28am) 
Has anyone seen another case which went for so long with no ArbCom activity whatsoever? What's going on here? Have they been actively working other cases besides this one?
Yes. Most of them. ARBCOM will finish this up when most people have grown apathetic and disinterested. It's their typical MO. |
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JzG has returned after a month and a half to add a wikibreak to his talk page. Meanwhile, Tony Sidaway continues to troll the Talk:Proposed decision page., archiving sections on a whim and annoying Lar. QUOTE(Queen Tony)
Making lots of edits isn't manipulative. That's a ridiculous statement. A person who has lots to say makes lots of edits. A person who has less to say says less. It's a matter of choice. You started this discussion with a gross misstatement of my views, which I corrected. I apologise to the community for not leaving it there, but being sucked into a pointless discussion.
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QUOTE(KamrynMatika @ Fri 4th July 2008, 4:58pm) JzG will be editing under another account. It's what he always does when it looks like he might get called on his bullshit (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/smile.gif) I find it hard to believe he would be editing if he could not use his administration powers. This post has been edited by ThurstonHowell3rd: |
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QUOTE(maggot3 @ Wed 9th July 2008, 7:45am) you can not be seriousQUOTE(proposed by Sam Blacketer) While some of the conduct which led to this case is highly regrettable and some might have resulted in editing restrictions, the majority of the evidence presented concerns events long ago and behaviour which is vexing but unsanctionable. The Committee urges all involved to read, learn and inwardly digest core policies on civility and avoiding personal attacks, as well as the guideline on assuming good faith, and dismisses the case. Well, golly, if you want some fresh evidence of egregious abuse of power, I have some recent outrages I could share with you. This post has been edited by Moulton: |
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QUOTE(maggot3 @ Wed 9th July 2008, 4:45am) you can not be seriousQUOTE(proposed by Sam Blacketer) While some of the conduct which led to this case is highly regrettable and some might have resulted in editing restrictions, the majority of the evidence presented concerns events long ago and behaviour which is vexing but unsanctionable. The Committee urges all involved to read, learn and inwardly digest core policies on civility and avoiding personal attacks, as well as the guideline on assuming good faith, and dismisses the case. He uses "unsanctionable"... it did pop-up in my spell checker. Does he mean 'not sanctionable'? Or, does he mean 'can't undo sanctions that are in place now'? |
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QUOTE(dogbiscuit @ Wed 9th July 2008, 5:30pm) QUOTE(thekohser @ Wed 9th July 2008, 2:33pm) Sam Blacketer is the one who hoped I was "sick as a parrot". Which points to a broken promise by Danny to pay 5 editors $100 each for improving articles. Somewhat dishonest, but then this is Wikipedia. I think he meant this. I have to say that you do have an amazing knack for recalling every single thing someone has said about you on the internet, Greg. |
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QUOTE(KamrynMatika @ Wed 9th July 2008, 5:42pm) QUOTE(dogbiscuit @ Wed 9th July 2008, 5:30pm) QUOTE(thekohser @ Wed 9th July 2008, 2:33pm) Sam Blacketer is the one who hoped I was "sick as a parrot". Which points to a broken promise by Danny to pay 5 editors $100 each for improving articles. Somewhat dishonest, but then this is Wikipedia. I think he meant this. I have to say that you do have an amazing knack for recalling every single thing someone has said about you on the internet, Greg. <sigh>I know that was the comment, but what did the comment itself refer to? He was gloating over an edit for payment competition (as linked in that message) sponsored by Danny (aka a for profit company, aka Veropedia) that has not paid up since the competition closed in December. The dishonesty of that makes the gloating doubly ironic for someone in such high standing as an arbitrator. |
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QUOTE(Kelly Martin @ Wed 9th July 2008, 2:50pm) QUOTE(Rhindle @ Wed 9th July 2008, 9:48pm)
I wonder if anyone is going to start a vote of no confidence in the arbcom.
What would be the point? Probably none, but I still wonder. This post has been edited by Rhindle: |
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QUOTE(Rhindle @ Wed 9th July 2008, 4:52pm) QUOTE(Kelly Martin @ Wed 9th July 2008, 2:50pm) QUOTE(Rhindle @ Wed 9th July 2008, 9:48pm)
I wonder if anyone is going to start a vote of no confidence in the arbcom.
What would be the point? Probably none, but I still wonder. Judging on the ArbCom RfC, nothing would happen. Even Jimbo, whose relevance to current activities at Wikipedia is paper-thin at this point, seems safe. There are too many people invested in the status quo who can prevent consensus for a new model through simple disruption and filibustering. |
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ArbCom stalling, or just lazy? yes, yes, and cowardly, and neutered and in deraliction of duty. Thatcher writes.: <--I'd like to suggest that if the case is dismissed, it would be possible to file a new case, and I would further suggest that to be effective, any case should be specific, narrowly targeted and with reasonable expectations for outcome. Cases of the type All these people are bad, please tar and feather them are never handled well, even with lower profile editors.
I wonder how well Thatcher is dialed into the heartbeat of the arbcom. Characterizing this case as a tar-and-feathering circus is wild rhetoric that brushes off and basically legitimizes the well documented abuses of SV, FM and JzG. If this isn't a case for de-sysoping, I don't know what is.
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QUOTE(Bob Boy @ Thu 10th July 2008, 1:08am) Looks like we're down to quoting the Declaration of Independence - http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=224677989So who's George III? And is Cla68 Thomas Paine? Or is it Giano (actually I think Giano is Samuel Adams). To be serious, I don't see any way for a violent revolution against the WP aristrocracy unless productive contributors turn into vandals, pending a change of governance. Little chance of that. Changes often happen when people in general are "mad as hell and aren't going to take it anymore." Whether this rises to that level remains to be seen. This post has been edited by Cla68: |
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