Sex by surprise Options

[anthony]

Assange denies the charges, which his lawyer, described as stemming from a "dispute over consensual but unprotected sex", which may constitute rape under the Swedish law.

So babymaking "may" be illegal in Sweden? Yeah right. Sounds like a spin job to me.

And yeah, I have no idea what forum this is supposed to go into.

EDIT: Oops, forgot the link.

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[dogbiscuit]

After stripping this down through the layers of mis-information, it is a most peculiar case, but then Mr A is a most peculiar person.

It seems a number of women, on the basis of very little personal contact, decided that they fancied a shag - it all seems in the grand tradition of groupy-ism going back to the 60s and the various pop stars of that era. Their casual approach to sex lowers the expected standards of behaviour in my book, so my initial reaction is that I don't have a lot of sympathy.

However, if it did turn out to be true that Mr A deliberately and deceptively did things like damaging a condom and initiating sex whilst asleep (though there is something rather odd in the telling which makes it sound as if she never woke up, which then brings up the question of whether there was drink or drugs involved) then it does turn the situation into something more akin to a deliberate assault. I think in the modern age, it is understood that the basic standard of casual sex, especially based on such a fleeting meeting, is that it is appropriate to have protected sex. In fact, it seems rather reckless of Mr A that he should seek to risk catching something interesting, given his predilection for casual sex - perhaps a sign of some self-destructive tendencies.

The whole casual sex arrangement of the groupies giving service to their anointed one is rather cultish, and it is that imbalance of power that makes me uneasy, though it seems to me that these were mature women taking conscious decisions.

The lack of self-control and ego does make a convincing story in the context of previously revealed splits in WikiLeaks and the determined release of diplomatic tittle-tattle that is damaging without there being a perceived benefit. Convincing story? Well, it also seems to be the case that it is not a fabrication but too well founded in actual events to be a CIA-style plot.

[TungstenCarbide]

After stripping this down through the layers of mis-information, it is a most peculiar case, but then Mr A is a most peculiar person.

It seems a number of women, on the basis of very little personal contact, decided that they fancied a shag - it all seems in the grand tradition of groupy-ism going back to the 60s and the various pop stars of that era. Their casual approach to sex lowers the expected standards of behaviour in my book, so my initial reaction is that I don't have a lot of sympathy.

However, if it did turn out to be true that Mr A deliberately and deceptively did things like damaging a condom and initiating sex whilst asleep (though there is something rather odd in the telling which makes it sound as if she never woke up, which then brings up the question of whether there was drink or drugs involved) then it does turn the situation into something more akin to a deliberate assault. I think in the modern age, it is understood that the basic standard of casual sex, especially based on such a fleeting meeting, is that it is appropriate to have protected sex. In fact, it seems rather reckless of Mr A that he should seek to risk catching something interesting, given his predilection for casual sex - perhaps a sign of some self-destructive tendencies.

The whole casual sex arrangement of the groupies giving service to their anointed one is rather cultish, and it is that imbalance of power that makes me uneasy, though it seems to me that these were mature women taking conscious decisions.

The lack of self-control and ego does make a convincing story in the context of previously revealed splits in WikiLeaks and the determined release of diplomatic tittle-tattle that is damaging without there being a perceived benefit. Convincing story? Well, it also seems to be the case that it is not a fabrication but too well founded in actual events to be a CIA-style plot.

Assange is a vile animal, plain and simple. He's benefited greatly by the laws of society and a standard of living built for him in the western world, while tearing down the institutions that brought him that life and hiding behind its civilized laws. Reading this story in particular, he sounds like he has no conscience. The article dings at least 10 of 15 traits of a psychopath;

*Glibness and Superficial Charm
*Manipulative and Conning
*Grandiose Sense of Self, Feels entitled to certain things as "their right."
*Pathological Lying
*Lack of Remorse, Shame or Guilt
*Shallow Emotions
*Incapacity for Love
*Need for Stimulation
*Callousness/Lack of Empathy
*Poor Behavioral Controls/Impulsive Nature
*Early Behavior Problems/Juvenile Delinquency
*Irresponsibility/Unreliability
*Promiscuous Sexual Behavior/Infidelity
*Lack of Realistic Life Plan/Parasitic Lifestyle
*Criminal or Entrepreneurial Versatility

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[Kelly Martin]

The article dings at least 10 of 15 traits of a psychopath;

*Glibness and Superficial Charm
*Manipulative and Conning
*Grandiose Sense of Self, Feels entitled to certain things as "their right."
*Pathological Lying
*Lack of Remorse, Shame or Guilt
*Shallow Emotions
*Incapacity for Love
*Need for Stimulation
*Callousness/Lack of Empathy
*Poor Behavioral Controls/Impulsive Nature
*Early Behavior Problems/Juvenile Delinquency
*Irresponsibility/Unreliability
*Promiscuous Sexual Behavior/Infidelity
*Lack of Realistic Life Plan/Parasitic Lifestyle
*Criminal or Entrepreneurial Versatility

Wait, I thought we were talking about Assange; why are you listing Jimmy Wales' traits?

[SB_Johnny]

Wait, I thought we were talking about Assange; why are you listing Jimmy Wales' traits?

Assange did an interview on the BBC this morning, FYI. Jimmy could have stood in for him perfectly, assuming he could pull off the accent.

[wikieyeay]

Wait, I thought we were talking about Assange; why are you listing Jimmy Wales' traits?

Assange did an interview on the BBC this morning, FYI. Jimmy could have stood in for him perfectly, assuming he could pull off the accent.

Jimbo must be kicking himself over the fact that he's not the world's most famous Wiki* website leader. Taken out by a white-haired Australian.

What a humiliation.

[Milton Roe]

Wait, I thought we were talking about Assange; why are you listing Jimmy Wales' traits?

Assange did an interview on the BBC this morning, FYI. Jimmy could have stood in for him perfectly, assuming he could pull off the accent.

Jimbo must be kicking himself over the fact that he's not the world's most famous Wiki* website leader. Taken out by a white-haired Australian.

What a humiliation.

In revenge, the peregrinations of Assange's bodily fluids and his predilection for assignations with admirers are being given far more extensive and detailed analysis on WP, than they were when Jimbo Wales was the target, back in the day.

What the media is doing to Assange is almost Clinton-esque. No, I take it back-- it is Clinton-esque. (I would say Arbuckle-esque but nobody would know what the hell I meant by THAT.) Only political revenge can generate this much interest in a sexual episode in which nobody was injured, and the delicate and tangled matter of what things were and weren't given permission for (as we go down our checklist of the many pages of possible sexual acts), are a matter of he-said/she-said.

In my world, if a woman is psychologically devastated by something physical that a man did to her, she usually doesn't go out to buy food with which to make him breakfast, then drive him to the train station. Then find out he had sex with another woman four days before, THEN go screaming to the cops about having been abused. Abused she might have been, but the time to decide THAT had long since gone, methinks. There has to be a statute of limitations for that sort of thing, even if both sides admit to exactly what happened. Be reasonable here.

[wikieyeay]

In my world, if a woman is psychologically devastated by something physical that a man did to her, she usually doesn't go out to buy food with which to make him breakfast, then drive him to the train station.

I call BS on that, women get abused by men all the time, and still carry on cooking, cleaning, and serving them.

[Milton Roe]

In my world, if a woman is psychologically devastated by something physical that a man did to her, she usually doesn't go out to buy food with which to make him breakfast, then drive him to the train station.

I call BS on that, women get abused by men all the time, and still carry on cooking, cleaning, and serving them.

After knowing them for 12 hours?? (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/confused.gif)

Look: if a normally intelligent adult self-supporting independent Swedish woman can be transformed into a complete Stepford Wife Zombie after one boring fuck, I'd say we have a new psychological syndrome to describe in that country. Roll over, Stockholm Syndrome; this is way, way, WAY better. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/rolleyes.gif)

Of course, the other possiblity we haven't considered is that Assange is actually Dracula. Or perhaps one of the lesser-known Malfoys.

[anthony]

I call BS on that, women get abused by men all the time, and still carry on cooking, cleaning, and serving them.

After knowing them for 12 hours?? (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/confused.gif)

I'm sure it has happened to plenty of rock stars.

[TungstenCarbide]

http://www.cnn.com/2012/02/01/world/europe...ange/index.html
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[thekohser]

http://www.cnn.com/2012/02/01/world/europe...ange/index.html
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The following month, the British High Court said he would be allowed to mount an appeal.

That guy will mount anything, if he feels like he has permission. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/evilgrin.gif)