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Posted by: Shalom

RFA never fails to produce FAILs. Here's the latest specimen of idiocy:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/BuickCenturyDriver_2

"Also, in the past 27 months, candidate has averaged a little over 84 edits a month, and not the 100 they stated. ArcAngel (talk) ) 19:25, 13 April 2011 (UTC)"

For this you're opposing? The fellow (BuickCenturyDriver, famous for the password hacking incident which he references in Q3) has been editing 3 years now, and you're nitpicking how many edits per month? Actually, I might have noted it myself, but I would have clarified that I wasn't opposing on the basis of 1/6 fewer edits per month than stated. 100 is approximately right. Seriously, folks, lighten up. Or find something more useful to do.

Posted by: SB_Johnny

QUOTE
Neutral I'm not impressed with the 75% edit summary usage for Major Edits, and the 43% usage to minor edits. I'll evaluate more later. Tofutwitch11 (TALK) 18:53, 13 April 2011 (UTC)


:facepalm:

Posted by: Silver seren

QUOTE(SB_Johnny @ Wed 13th April 2011, 9:48pm) *

QUOTE
Neutral I'm not impressed with the 75% edit summary usage for Major Edits, and the 43% usage to minor edits. I'll evaluate more later. Tofutwitch11 (TALK) 18:53, 13 April 2011 (UTC)


:facepalm:


...

Wow, I think that's one of the stupidest reasonings i've ever seen. I may personally use edit summaries a lot, but I don't think the lack of putting the word "reply" or "re" is really detrimental to someone's editing.

Did they even specify major and minor edits specifically in articles? Or is this just in general?

Posted by: Kelly Martin

Oh, please. Annex this crap.

Posted by: Tarc

QUOTE(Kelly Martin @ Wed 13th April 2011, 7:08pm) *

Oh, please. Annex this crap.


No offense, but will you please shut the fuck up?

I think there's forum mods around here who can manage to scrape two brain cells together long enough to figure out when to move or not move a thread. This incessant "OMG MODS MODS MODS BANISH THIS THREAD FROM MY EYES!" crying from the masses is nauseating. It is not impacting YOU personally to see a Wikipedia topic outside of the Annex.

Jesus.


As for RfA opposes, nothing tops DougTech's "too many admins" spam, but carping about % of edit summary usage is certainly in the top 5.


Posted by: EricBarbour

Did no one notice that most of the freaks "voting" in this RFA weren't admins? Just a random mishmash
of rollbackers, trolls, and loose screws (take a bow, Jasper).......

Plus: If Fastily http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Fastily, why is he/she still commenting on RFAs and trolling AN/I?

Posted by: melloden

QUOTE

Strong Oppose: The block log isn't clean, even though it is old. However what concerns me is your low activity in recent months and your edits on talk pages. You do not show understanding of the BLP policy. Does not seem to have learned from past mistakes (a key quality for admins).Jasper Deng (talk) 18:04, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Which edits are you concern about, JD? –BuickCenturyDriver 18:34, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

You don't edit talk pages enough.Jasper Deng (talk) 18:37, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Questions about my edits are discussed on my own talk page. I usually don't have questions about my mainspace edits and that's why article talkspace has a small slice on my edit count. This answers FetchComms's question above. –BuickCenturyDriver 18:44, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Nuvola emoticon - appalled.svg...I'm speechless. Swarm X 19:26, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Oppose is now strong because of comment deletion (as in Reaper Eternal's question).Jasper Deng (talk) 22:07, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

That was due to an edit conflict, as stated above. –BuickCenturyDriver 23:43, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Shows a problem with handling edit conflicts.Jasper Deng (talk) 23:46, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Er, what? You do know what an edit conflict is, right? StrPby (talk) 23:53, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

JD, no matter that I say or what I do you're going to find a new reason why I can't function as a admin. I have no further comments for you. And yes SP, I know what an edit conflict is. I was using my portable computer and I pressed back on my browser after JDs comments before I read them. My new edits probably overwrote his. I had no intention of deleting his comments. –BuickCenturyDriver 23:59, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

As the indenting shows, I directed that question at Jasper, not you. StrPby (talk) 00:01, 14 April 2011 (UTC)


Rather unfortunate that Jasper wasn't in that minivan that drove into the Hudson River yesterday. (No, that was not a threat, so don't call the police.)

Also, note how Fastily uses the word "dearth". Will that help with your http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/OTRS/volunteering#Fastily-filled retirement, hmmm?

Posted by: Ego Trippin' (Part Two)

QUOTE(EricBarbour @ Wed 13th April 2011, 9:20pm) *

Plus: If Fastily http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Fastily, why is he/she still commenting on RFAs and trolling AN/I?


http://toolserver.org/~soxred93/pcount/index.php?name=Fastily〈=en&wiki=wikipedia Fastily's "retirement" amounts to nothing more than an excuse to spend zero time actually contributing to Wikipedia articles while still participating in all the worthless drama. I imagine many active admins wish they could do this but begrudgingly edit an article here and there to demonstrate that they're present "to improve the encyclopedia." The retired tag removes any semblance of that obligation.

I believe this is also known as "pulling a Balloonman."

Posted by: Silver seren

QUOTE

Strong Oppose: The block log isn't clean, even though it is old. However what concerns me is your low activity in recent months and your edits on talk pages. You do not show understanding of the BLP policy. Does not seem to have learned from past mistakes (a key quality for admins).Jasper Deng (talk) 18:04, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Which edits are you concern about, JD? –BuickCenturyDriver 18:34, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

You don't edit talk pages enough.Jasper Deng (talk) 18:37, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Questions about my edits are discussed on my own talk page. I usually don't have questions about my mainspace edits and that's why article talkspace has a small slice on my edit count. This answers FetchComms's question above. –BuickCenturyDriver 18:44, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Nuvola emoticon - appalled.svg...I'm speechless. Swarm X 19:26, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Oppose is now strong because of comment deletion (as in Reaper Eternal's question).Jasper Deng (talk) 22:07, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

That was due to an edit conflict, as stated above. –BuickCenturyDriver 23:43, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Shows a problem with handling edit conflicts.Jasper Deng (talk) 23:46, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Er, what? You do know what an edit conflict is, right? StrPby (talk) 23:53, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

JD, no matter that I say or what I do you're going to find a new reason why I can't function as a admin. I have no further comments for you. And yes SP, I know what an edit conflict is. I was using my portable computer and I pressed back on my browser after JDs comments before I read them. My new edits probably overwrote his. I had no intention of deleting his comments. –BuickCenturyDriver 23:59, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

As the indenting shows, I directed that question at Jasper, not you. StrPby (talk) 00:01, 14 April 2011 (UTC)


Image

I have no words.

Posted by: melloden

QUOTE(Silver seren @ Thu 14th April 2011, 2:56am) *

Image

I have no words.


I like this one better:

Image

Except, I don't think you're a panda furry.

Posted by: Silver seren

Asian Golden Cat (T-H-L-K-D)

So...close?

Posted by: radek

QUOTE(melloden @ Wed 13th April 2011, 9:33pm) *

QUOTE

Strong Oppose: The block log isn't clean, even though it is old. However what concerns me is your low activity in recent months and your edits on talk pages. You do not show understanding of the BLP policy. Does not seem to have learned from past mistakes (a key quality for admins).Jasper Deng (talk) 18:04, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Which edits are you concern about, JD? –BuickCenturyDriver 18:34, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

You don't edit talk pages enough.Jasper Deng (talk) 18:37, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Questions about my edits are discussed on my own talk page. I usually don't have questions about my mainspace edits and that's why article talkspace has a small slice on my edit count. This answers FetchComms's question above. –BuickCenturyDriver 18:44, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Nuvola emoticon - appalled.svg...I'm speechless. Swarm X 19:26, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Oppose is now strong because of comment deletion (as in Reaper Eternal's question).Jasper Deng (talk) 22:07, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

That was due to an edit conflict, as stated above. –BuickCenturyDriver 23:43, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Shows a problem with handling edit conflicts.Jasper Deng (talk) 23:46, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Er, what? You do know what an edit conflict is, right? StrPby (talk) 23:53, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

JD, no matter that I say or what I do you're going to find a new reason why I can't function as a admin. I have no further comments for you. And yes SP, I know what an edit conflict is. I was using my portable computer and I pressed back on my browser after JDs comments before I read them. My new edits probably overwrote his. I had no intention of deleting his comments. –BuickCenturyDriver 23:59, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

As the indenting shows, I directed that question at Jasper, not you. StrPby (talk) 00:01, 14 April 2011 (UTC)


Rather unfortunate that Jasper wasn't in that minivan that drove into the Hudson River yesterday. (No, that was not a threat, so don't call the police.)

Also, note how Fastily uses the word "dearth". Will that help with your http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/OTRS/volunteering#Fastily-filled retirement, hmmm?


Heh, this joker has a userbox on his page which says "This user acts like he/she is an administrator on the English Wikipedia but really isn't." - and, commendably, it appears to be true:
*http://toolserver.org/~soxred93/pages/index.php?name=Jasper+Deng&namespace=0&redirects=noredirects
*http://toolserver.org/~soxred93/pcount/index.php?name=Jasper+Deng〈=en&wiki=wikipedia - politicin', facepediabookin', pokin' and generally being useless.

So yeah, sure does act like an administrator.

Posted by: CharlotteWebb

QUOTE(radek @ Thu 14th April 2011, 4:41am) *

*http://toolserver.org/~soxred93/pages/index.php?name=Jasper+Deng&namespace=0&redirects=noredirects
*http://toolserver.org/~soxred93/pcount/index.php?name=Jasper+Deng&lang=en&wiki=wikipedia - politicin', facepediabookin', pokin' and generally being useless.

So yeah, sure does act like an administrator.

Ideally either of those would be an automatic disqualifier.

Posted by: Theanima

Dumb RFA oppose®s are nothing new unfortunately. Anyone with an account is legitimately able to vote in a request, including people like DougsTech, "retired" editors such as Fastily who appears to use a stock opposition reason, and random people who have never voted on an RFA before or barely made any other edits.

Posted by: Tarc

QUOTE(melloden @ Wed 13th April 2011, 10:33pm) *

Rather unfortunate that Jasper wasn't in that minivan that drove into the Hudson River yesterday. (No, that was not a threat, so don't call the police.)


This is the joker that templated me a few days ago for giving someone the WP:DICK (T-H-L-K-D) treatment at the WQA page. A charming little busybody.

Posted by: -DS-

QUOTE(Tarc @ Thu 14th April 2011, 2:51pm) *

QUOTE(radek @ Thu 14th April 2011, 12:41am) *

Rather unfortunate that Jasper wasn't in that minivan that drove into the Hudson River yesterday. (No, that was not a threat, so don't call the police.)


This is the joker that templated me a few days ago for giving someone the WP:DICK (T-H-L-K-D) treatment at the WQA page. A charming little busybody.


He's also the idiot who http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Vijay_Bahadur_Singh&action=history.

Posted by: A Horse With No Name

QUOTE(Ego Trippin' (Part Two) @ Wed 13th April 2011, 10:49pm) *

I believe this is also known as "pulling a Balloonman."


Mmmm...kinky. wink.gif

Posted by: Casliber

QUOTE(A Horse With No Name @ Thu 14th April 2011, 10:57pm) *

QUOTE(Ego Trippin' (Part Two) @ Wed 13th April 2011, 10:49pm) *

I believe this is also known as "pulling a Balloonman."


Mmmm...kinky. wink.gif


Get your mind out of the gutter, I thought it needed a funny photo of someone tying a balloon in knots to make a funney animal laugh.gif

Posted by: radek

QUOTE(Tarc @ Thu 14th April 2011, 7:51am) *

QUOTE(radek @ Thu 14th April 2011, 12:41am) *

Rather unfortunate that Jasper wasn't in that minivan that drove into the Hudson River yesterday. (No, that was not a threat, so don't call the police.)


This is the joker that templated me a few days ago for giving someone the WP:DICK (T-H-L-K-D) treatment at the WQA page. A charming little busybody.


Just want to note - I'm not the one who made the statement about minivans driving into any rivers - someone else did, and I copied it as part of the longer quotation.

Posted by: Tarc

QUOTE(radek @ Thu 14th April 2011, 9:49am) *

Just want to note - I'm not the one who made the statement about minivans driving into any rivers - someone else did, and I copied it as part of the longer quotation.


Editing fail on my part. Original post re-attributed to melloden.

Posted by: A Horse With No Name

QUOTE(-DS- @ Thu 14th April 2011, 8:53am) *

QUOTE(Tarc @ Thu 14th April 2011, 2:51pm) *

QUOTE(radek @ Thu 14th April 2011, 12:41am) *

Rather unfortunate that Jasper wasn't in that minivan that drove into the Hudson River yesterday. (No, that was not a threat, so don't call the police.)


This is the joker that templated me a few days ago for giving someone the WP:DICK (T-H-L-K-D) treatment at the WQA page. A charming little busybody.


He's also the idiot who http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Vijay_Bahadur_Singh&action=history.


There must be a word for what he is...



QUOTE(Casliber @ Thu 14th April 2011, 9:08am) *

Get your mind out of the gutter...


Have you ever made love to your wife in the shower? Well, you should...she loves it! evilgrin.gif

(Thank you, Unknown Comic)

Posted by: Sxeptomaniac

I used to occasionally check in on RFAs and sometimes comment. People like that are a major reason why I stopped. The other main reason is that I got sick of what adminship is on WP: an achievement and status symbol.

I never planned on even trying for adminship, but participating in RFAs for a while only made it clearer why that was a good choice. It's not really even the process, IMO. It's the mind-numbingly bureaucratic participants, the popularity-contest nature of the thing, and the blatantly myopic denials of the obvious: "It's not a vote" and "Adminship is no big deal" were frequently cited whenever it became too apparent that everyone believes the opposite.

Posted by: Ego Trippin' (Part Two)

QUOTE(Sxeptomaniac @ Thu 14th April 2011, 4:03pm) *

It's not really even the process, IMO. It's the mind-numbingly bureaucratic participants, the popularity-contest nature of the thing, and the blatantly myopic denials of the obvious: "It's not a vote" and "Adminship is no big deal" were frequently cited whenever it became too apparent that everyone believes the opposite.


Yeah. A user might say that "adminship is no big deal" to support a candidate who's getting some opposition for inexperience. But that same user might turn around and oppose another candidate for not having enough experience to be trusted with adminship. As you say, it's a popularity contest.

As for "it's not a vote," the only thing that separates RfA from a straight vote is the fact that all the other voters can see your vote and try to harass you into changing it. On many occasions, I've seen supporters try to suppress opposing opinions by calling for them to be removed from the count.

Posted by: Silver seren

This is why I fully support stripping away the powers that admins have into their own individual little sections that you have to apply for, like how Rollback works. It's too bad the VandelFighter permission never gets off the ground, but that's because of the extreme admin opposition to the idea.

I mean, if you gave away their ability to block users, how can they consider themselves better than everyone else?

Posted by: Silver seren

I think we really need a page on Mr. Jasper. He has just started http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#User:Snakefan55. I went and looked through a few of Snakefan55's edit wars and, i've found, that all the information he is attempting to add is correct, from a little searching of my own. Yes, he shouldn't be edit warring to keep the content in, but discussing on talk pages, but the fact that the reverters aren't even bothering to check whether the info is correct or not is really irksome.


Posted by: melloden

Hilarious: Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#User:Jasper_Deng_and_COI (T-H-L-K-D).

The twat has had to have "lmfao" explained to him several times.

Posted by: -DS-

QUOTE(melloden @ Tue 19th April 2011, 6:53am) *

Hilarious: Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#User:Jasper_Deng_and_COI (T-H-L-K-D).

The twat has had to have "lmfao" explained to him several times.


I'm not laughing.

This person clearly has some sort of mental disorder.

Posted by: A Horse With No Name

QUOTE(Silver seren @ Sat 16th April 2011, 10:02pm) *

This is why I fully support stripping admins


Mmmmm....kinky evilgrin.gif


QUOTE(-DS- @ Tue 19th April 2011, 4:50am) *


This person clearly has some sort of mental disorder.


Either that, or Shappy came back to haunt Wikipedia. ermm.gif

QUOTE(Silver seren @ Sat 16th April 2011, 10:02pm) *

I mean, if you gave away their ability to block users, how can they consider themselves better than everyone else?


Which reminds me, whatever happened to Rodhullandemu? unsure.gif

Posted by: -DS-

QUOTE(A Horse With No Name @ Tue 19th April 2011, 2:50pm) *

QUOTE(Silver seren @ Sat 16th April 2011, 10:02pm) *

This is why I fully support stripping admins


Mmmmm....kinky evilgrin.gif


QUOTE(-DS- @ Tue 19th April 2011, 4:50am) *


This person clearly has some sort of mental disorder.


Either that, or Shappy came back to haunt Wikipedia. ermm.gif

QUOTE(Silver seren @ Sat 16th April 2011, 10:02pm) *

I mean, if you gave away their ability to block users, how can they consider themselves better than everyone else?


Which reminds me, whatever happened to Rodhullandemu? unsure.gif


1. Who's Shappy?

2. He was in the middle of his ArbCom case when Risker blocked him, then oversighted anything that could shed light on the matter. Jimbo says he'll "recommend to the Committee that Rodhullandemu be allowed back provisionally" "upon presentation to him of real-world evidence that professional/medical help has been sought and followed for six months, and upon the recommendation of those professionals".

Posted by: melloden

QUOTE(-DS- @ Tue 19th April 2011, 4:58pm) *

2. He was in the middle of his ArbCom case when Risker blocked him, then oversighted anything that could shed light on the matter. Jimbo says he'll "recommend to the Committee that Rodhullandemu be allowed back provisionally" "upon presentation to him of real-world evidence that professional/medical help has been sought and followed for six months, and upon the recommendation of those professionals".


Wow, connecting WP with the real world??? Shocking. Before having sex, should I ask my doctor to tell her that my penis is long enough?

Posted by: Silver seren

Rod apparently said some rather disagreeable things and made some threats against Arbcom, all of which Risker oversighted and Arbcom immediately closed the case as a indefinite block of Rod, without even dealing with what the case was about at all.


Posted by: -DS-

QUOTE(Silver seren @ Tue 19th April 2011, 7:08pm) *

Rod apparently said some rather disagreeable things and made some threats against Arbcom, all of which Risker oversighted and Arbcom immediately closed the case as a indefinite block of Rod, without even dealing with what the case was about at all.


Actually, they suspended it until April 7, then closed it a few days later.

Posted by: Silver seren

Rod made his comments after the suspension not before. I don't know the reason for the suspension originally. Probably some BS reason about his health or something.

No, it was meant to start up again on April 7, but then he made the comments that he did and Arbcom just blocked him and closed the case.

Posted by: A Horse With No Name

QUOTE(Silver seren @ Tue 19th April 2011, 1:08pm) *

Rod apparently said some rather disagreeable things and made some threats against Arbcom, all of which Risker oversighted and Arbcom immediately closed the case as a indefinite block of Rod, without even dealing with what the case was about at all.


Risker has a long history of erasing statements from public view. dry.gif

QUOTE(-DS- @ Tue 19th April 2011, 12:58pm) *


1. Who's Shappy?



He was the star of an incredible video, in which he lectured a group of very grumpy old men on ageism in the RfA process. smile.gif

Posted by: melloden

QUOTE(A Horse With No Name @ Tue 19th April 2011, 6:04pm) *

QUOTE(-DS- @ Tue 19th April 2011, 12:58pm) *


1. Who's Shappy?



He was the star of an incredible video, in which he lectured a group of very grumpy old men on ageism in the RfA process. smile.gif


Links or it didn't happen.

No, really, who was he?

Posted by: Cock-up-over-conspiracy

QUOTE
Jimbo says he'll "recommend to the Committee that Rodhullandemu be allowed back provisionally" "upon presentation to him of real-world evidence that professional/medical help has been sought and followed for six months, and upon the recommendation of those professionals".


I hope that on principle, they ignore him. What more influence ought Jimbo to have than any other fairly non-productive editor?

If Rodhullandemu still reads this forum ... I came up with something far more useful for him to do with the last of his days.

Rod, and anyone else in his position, try volunteering as a moderator for your local, or even regional Freecycle Network groups.


See http://www.freecycle.org/.

Real people, real stuff, real community spirit ... you even get to do face to faces far more often.
QUOTE
Welcome! The Freecycle Networkâ„¢ is made up of 4,936 groups with 8,381,932 members around the world. It's a grassroots and entirely nonprofit movement of people who are giving (and getting) stuff for free in their own towns. It's all about reuse and keeping good stuff out of landfills. Each local group is moderated by local volunteers (them's good people). Membership is free. To sign up, find your community by entering it into the search box above or by clicking on 'Browse Groups' above the search box. Have fun!

Posted by: A Horse With No Name

QUOTE(melloden @ Tue 19th April 2011, 2:07pm) *

QUOTE(A Horse With No Name @ Tue 19th April 2011, 6:04pm) *

QUOTE(-DS- @ Tue 19th April 2011, 12:58pm) *


1. Who's Shappy?



He was the star of an incredible video, in which he lectured a group of very grumpy old men on ageism in the RfA process. smile.gif


Links or it didn't happen.

No, really, who was he?


The video used to be online, but it was removed by a certain Ed Wynn lookalike on Arbcom. That was about two years ago.

Posted by: Malleus

QUOTE(A Horse With No Name @ Tue 19th April 2011, 7:04pm) *

He was the star of an incredible video, in which he lectured a group of very grumpy old men on ageism in the RfA process. smile.gif

I remember that video; a well-trained and rather formally dressed 12-year-old kid being prompted by his father in the background and supported by Newyorkbrad to his right. Bizarre.

Posted by: SirFozzie

QUOTE(A Horse With No Name @ Tue 19th April 2011, 2:04pm) *


Risker has a long history of erasing statements from public view. dry.gif



Actually, as I explained to Silver last time he brought this up, Risker wasn't the one who oversighted the statements by RHE...

I was.

Unfortunately, when we tried to explain to Silver the situation on why the oversight was necessary (with Alison, and others who saw the statements trying to explain as well), he thought we were all persecuting him.

Dammed if you do, Dammed if you don't.

I will say that Silver has got the timeline wrong.

*shrugs*

Posted by: Silver seren

I don't think remembering who exactly oversighted the information is really necessary.

And I do understand why it was necessary within policy, I just think the policy is ignorant and wrong.

And if I have the timeline wrong, it's because no one really explained anything in any real detail. It took me forever to even get what I did out of you guys. hrmph.gif

Posted by: RMHED

QUOTE(Silver seren @ Tue 19th April 2011, 10:07pm) *

I don't think remembering who exactly oversighted the information is really necessary.

And I do understand why it was necessary within policy, I just think the policy is ignorant and wrong.

And if I have the timeline wrong, it's because no one really explained anything in any real detail. It took me forever to even get what I did out of you guys. hrmph.gif

Arbcom were of course acting in Rod's best interest, we know this to be true because they told us so.

And the rest is silence...

Posted by: SirFozzie

QUOTE(RMHED @ Tue 19th April 2011, 5:23pm) *

QUOTE(Silver seren @ Tue 19th April 2011, 10:07pm) *

I don't think remembering who exactly oversighted the information is really necessary.

And I do understand why it was necessary within policy, I just think the policy is ignorant and wrong.

And if I have the timeline wrong, it's because no one really explained anything in any real detail. It took me forever to even get what I did out of you guys. hrmph.gif

Arbcom were of course acting in Rod's best interest, we know this to be true because they told us so.

And the rest is silence...


And that people who actually, you know, saw the statement agreed that it was oversighted for a good reason.

But that's just a minor flaw in your argument for a reason?

Talk about a catch 22. If we talk about the reason it was oversighted, then you'd blast us for treating RHE poorly by revealing real life issues. If we don't, we're hiding something from everyone.

And Silver: Do you have a reason to know this other then you can't stand not knowing the exact particulars of the issue? One would think that how things turned out (with RHE's appeal to Jimbo and Jimbo's modification), you'd be able to put 2 and 2 together and not get Pi.

Posted by: A Horse With No Name

QUOTE(SirFozzie @ Tue 19th April 2011, 5:41pm) *

Talk about a catch 22.


Eh, go to Heller. dry.gif

QUOTE(SirFozzie @ Tue 19th April 2011, 5:41pm) *
If we talk about the reason it was oversighted, then you'd blast us for treating RHE poorly by revealing real life issues. If we don't, we're hiding something from everyone.


I cannot think of a better reason for getting rid of personal Talk Pages altogether. Conversations should be limited to Article Discussion pages and noticeboards. Leave the chat to Facebook.

Posted by: SirFozzie

You know, Horsey, I think you've taken over my role as WR's preminent punster smile.gif

Posted by: A Horse With No Name

QUOTE(SirFozzie @ Tue 19th April 2011, 5:58pm) *

You know, Horsey, I think you've taken over my role as WR's preminent punster smile.gif


You can't lose what you never possessed. dry.gif

All seriousness aside, I do feel bad for RHE...if he is reading this, I hope that real life is showing him a lot more happiness than the Wiki variety has been dumping on him.

QUOTE(Silver seren @ Tue 19th April 2011, 5:07pm) *
It took me forever to even get what I did out of you guys. hrmph.gif


Next time, use more lube. evilgrin.gif

Posted by: RMHED

QUOTE(SirFozzie @ Tue 19th April 2011, 10:41pm) *

QUOTE(RMHED @ Tue 19th April 2011, 5:23pm) *

QUOTE(Silver seren @ Tue 19th April 2011, 10:07pm) *

I don't think remembering who exactly oversighted the information is really necessary.

And I do understand why it was necessary within policy, I just think the policy is ignorant and wrong.

And if I have the timeline wrong, it's because no one really explained anything in any real detail. It took me forever to even get what I did out of you guys. hrmph.gif

Arbcom were of course acting in Rod's best interest, we know this to be true because they told us so.

And the rest is silence...


And that people who actually, you know, saw the statement agreed that it was oversighted for a good reason.

But that's just a minor flaw in your argument for a reason?



To repeat... "Arbcom were of course acting in Rod's best interest, we know this to be true because they told us so."

If you choose to accept the poisoned chalice of Arbcom membership then you really must expect to be constantly in the wrong. This is the essence of your role, you give the necessary distractions for the 'pedia populace.

Posted by: Malleus

QUOTE(A Horse With No Name @ Tue 19th April 2011, 10:55pm) *
I cannot think of a better reason for getting rid of personal Talk Pages altogether. Conversations should be limited to Article Discussion pages and noticeboards. Leave the chat to Facebook.

I think that's a difficult one. I saw at least some of what RHE was posting on his talk page and it was disturbing. But talk pages can also be rallying points, provide feedback, offer encouragement ... nobody's obliged to read them anyway, so if you don't like 'em don't read 'em.

Posted by: Malleus

QUOTE(A Horse With No Name @ Tue 19th April 2011, 11:07pm) *
All seriousness aside, I do feel bad for RHE...if he is reading this, I hope that real life is showing him a lot more happiness than the Wiki variety has been dumping on him.

To be fair, he dumped a whole load of unhappiness on others himself, so hopefully he's learned a lesson.

Posted by: RMHED

QUOTE(Malleus @ Tue 19th April 2011, 11:42pm) *

QUOTE(A Horse With No Name @ Tue 19th April 2011, 11:07pm) *
All seriousness aside, I do feel bad for RHE...if he is reading this, I hope that real life is showing him a lot more happiness than the Wiki variety has been dumping on him.

To be fair, he dumped a whole load of unhappiness himself, so hopefully he's learned a lesson.

"and the lesson today is how to die!"

Posted by: Malleus

QUOTE(RMHED @ Tue 19th April 2011, 11:44pm) *

QUOTE(Malleus @ Tue 19th April 2011, 11:42pm) *

QUOTE(A Horse With No Name @ Tue 19th April 2011, 11:07pm) *
All seriousness aside, I do feel bad for RHE...if he is reading this, I hope that real life is showing him a lot more happiness than the Wiki variety has been dumping on him.

To be fair, he dumped a whole load of unhappiness himself, so hopefully he's learned a lesson.

"and the lesson today is how to die!"

Are you seriously suggesting that anyone apparently announcing their imminent suicide is a fit person to be a wikipedia administrator?

Posted by: Zoloft

QUOTE(RMHED @ Tue 19th April 2011, 3:44pm) *

QUOTE(Malleus @ Tue 19th April 2011, 11:42pm) *

QUOTE(A Horse With No Name @ Tue 19th April 2011, 11:07pm) *
All seriousness aside, I do feel bad for RHE...if he is reading this, I hope that real life is showing him a lot more happiness than the Wiki variety has been dumping on him.

To be fair, he dumped a whole load of unhappiness himself, so hopefully he's learned a lesson.

"and the lesson today is how to die!"

meQtaHbogh qachDaq Suv qoH neH

Posted by: RMHED

QUOTE(Malleus @ Tue 19th April 2011, 11:47pm) *

QUOTE(RMHED @ Tue 19th April 2011, 11:44pm) *

QUOTE(Malleus @ Tue 19th April 2011, 11:42pm) *

QUOTE(A Horse With No Name @ Tue 19th April 2011, 11:07pm) *
All seriousness aside, I do feel bad for RHE...if he is reading this, I hope that real life is showing him a lot more happiness than the Wiki variety has been dumping on him.

To be fair, he dumped a whole load of unhappiness himself, so hopefully he's learned a lesson.

"and the lesson today is how to die!"

Are you seriously suggesting that anyone apparently announcing their imminent suicide is a fit person to be a wikipedia administrator?

Of course. I see no incompatibility. If anything, I'd hope suicidal admins was an increasing Wikipedia trend.

Posted by: Malleus

QUOTE(RMHED @ Tue 19th April 2011, 11:51pm) *

QUOTE(Malleus @ Tue 19th April 2011, 11:47pm) *

QUOTE(RMHED @ Tue 19th April 2011, 11:44pm) *

QUOTE(Malleus @ Tue 19th April 2011, 11:42pm) *

QUOTE(A Horse With No Name @ Tue 19th April 2011, 11:07pm) *
All seriousness aside, I do feel bad for RHE...if he is reading this, I hope that real life is showing him a lot more happiness than the Wiki variety has been dumping on him.

To be fair, he dumped a whole load of unhappiness himself, so hopefully he's learned a lesson.

"and the lesson today is how to die!"

Are you seriously suggesting that anyone apparently announcing their imminent suicide is a fit person to be a wikipedia administrator?

Of course. I see no incompatibility. If anything, I'd hope suicidal admins was an increasing Wikipedia trend.

Each to their own I suppose.

Posted by: RMHED

QUOTE(Zoloft @ Tue 19th April 2011, 11:49pm) *

QUOTE(RMHED @ Tue 19th April 2011, 3:44pm) *

QUOTE(Malleus @ Tue 19th April 2011, 11:42pm) *

QUOTE(A Horse With No Name @ Tue 19th April 2011, 11:07pm) *
All seriousness aside, I do feel bad for RHE...if he is reading this, I hope that real life is showing him a lot more happiness than the Wiki variety has been dumping on him.

To be fair, he dumped a whole load of unhappiness himself, so hopefully he's learned a lesson.

"and the lesson today is how to die!"

meQtaHbogh qachDaq Suv qoH neH

Babylon http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcjrbELxgf4

Posted by: Detective

QUOTE(SirFozzie @ Tue 19th April 2011, 10:58pm) *

You know, Horsey, I think you've taken over my role as WR's preminent punster smile.gif

Never mind, Fozzie. You can be the person with the oddest spelling errors. biggrin.gif

QUOTE(-DS- @ Tue 19th April 2011, 5:58pm) *

Jimbo says he'll "recommend to the Committee that Rodhullandemu be allowed back provisionally" "upon presentation to him of real-world evidence that professional/medical help has been sought and followed for six months, and upon the recommendation of those professionals".

That's no good; it clearly violates WP:V. We need a statement in a Reliable Source, which of course excludes foreign newspapers.

Posted by: powercorrupts

QUOTE(Detective @ Wed 20th April 2011, 12:54pm) *

QUOTE(SirFozzie @ Tue 19th April 2011, 10:58pm) *

You know, Horsey, I think you've taken over my role as WR's preminent punster smile.gif

Never mind, Fozzie. You can be the person with the oddest spelling errors. biggrin.gif

QUOTE(-DS- @ Tue 19th April 2011, 5:58pm) *

Jimbo says he'll "recommend to the Committee that Rodhullandemu be allowed back provisionally" "upon presentation to him of real-world evidence that professional/medical help has been sought and followed for six months, and upon the recommendation of those professionals".

That's no good; it clearly violates WP:V. We need a statement in a Reliable Source, which of course excludes foreign newspapers.

Perhaps they are finally realising that it is time to take adminship seriously, as in Real World seriously. It's more than just a 'mop and a bucket' when someone puts the bucket on their head and waves around the mop handle-outwards at people, occasionally actually charging. Maybe they will start thinking about making their Admin Army less of a privileged award to all pathologically-loyal and suitably courruptable volunteers, and perhaps something more like a optional stint of National Service to people who are really into building a fair and honest encyclopedia. And of course pigs will fly - no change is always the 'wisest' route at Wikipedia.

Posted by: A Horse With No Name

QUOTE(powercorrupts @ Wed 20th April 2011, 9:45am) *

Perhaps they are finally realising that it is time to take adminship seriously, as in Real World seriously. It's more than just a 'mop and a bucket' when someone puts the bucket on their head and waves around the mop handle-outwards at people, occasionally actually charging. Maybe they will start thinking about making their Admin Army less of a privileged award to all pathologically-loyal and suitably courruptable volunteers, and perhaps something more like a optional stint of National Service to people who are really into building a fair and honest encyclopedia. And of course pigs will fly - no change is always the 'wisest' route at Wikipedia.


The answer to Wikipedia’s dilemma is simple: put good-looking people in charge.

I think the Wikipedia mob community is moving in the right direction: In the last Arbcom election, the new arbitrators included the blonde muscular Viking Xeno, the swashbuckling Royal Navy officer Chase Me, and the shapely pasties-shaking sexpot Shell Kinney. After years of flab and drab on Arbcom, people can now look at that committee with unapologetic carnal pleasure.

Granted, the emphasis on exterior appearance over basic competence may not actually solve the problem. But at least the view to the wreckage is much more entertaining…especially during warmer weather, when people wear much less clothing. evilgrin.gif evilgrin.gif evilgrin.gif evilgrin.gif

Posted by: powercorrupts

QUOTE(A Horse With No Name @ Wed 20th April 2011, 6:55pm) *

QUOTE(powercorrupts @ Wed 20th April 2011, 9:45am) *

Perhaps they are finally realising that it is time to take adminship seriously, as in Real World seriously. It's more than just a 'mop and a bucket' when someone puts the bucket on their head and waves around the mop handle-outwards at people, occasionally actually charging. Maybe they will start thinking about making their Admin Army less of a privileged award to all pathologically-loyal and suitably courruptable volunteers, and perhaps something more like a optional stint of National Service to people who are really into building a fair and honest encyclopedia. And of course pigs will fly - no change is always the 'wisest' route at Wikipedia.


The answer to Wikipedia’s dilemma is simple: put good-looking people in charge.

I think the Wikipedia mob community is moving in the right direction: In the last Arbcom election, the new arbitrators included the blonde muscular Viking Xeno, the swashbuckling Royal Navy officer Chase Me, and the shapely pasties-shaking sexpot Shell Kinney. After years of flab and drab on Arbcom, people can now look at that committee with unapologetic carnal pleasure.

Granted, the emphasis on exterior appearance over basic competence may not actually solve the problem. But at least the view to the wreckage is much more entertaining…especially during warmer weather, when people wear much less clothing. evilgrin.gif evilgrin.gif evilgrin.gif evilgrin.gif


The competence could hardly be worse. Perhaps they should solicit the support of the rubber-faced Bomis Babes.

Image
Jimbo with his right and left-hand support.


Posted by: melloden

QUOTE(A Horse With No Name @ Wed 20th April 2011, 5:55pm) *


The answer to Wikipedia’s dilemma is simple: put good-looking people in charge.

I think the Wikipedia mob community is moving in the right direction: In the last Arbcom election, the new arbitrators included the blonde muscular Viking Xeno, the swashbuckling Royal Navy officer Chase Me, and the shapely pasties-shaking sexpot Shell Kinney. After years of flab and drab on Arbcom, people can now look at that committee with unapologetic carnal pleasure.

Granted, the emphasis on exterior appearance over basic competence may not actually solve the problem. But at least the view to the wreckage is much more entertaining…especially during warmer weather, when people wear much less clothing. evilgrin.gif evilgrin.gif evilgrin.gif evilgrin.gif


Hmm ... RyRy and Ryan Postlethwaite come to mind, as does Phaedriel.

Posted by: A Horse With No Name

QUOTE(melloden @ Wed 20th April 2011, 11:47pm) *

Hmm ... RyRy and Ryan Postlethwaite come to mind, as does Phaedriel.


Postlethwaite's girlfriend was a real hot chili mama. Is she on Wikipedia? And are there any new photos of her online? smile.gif

Posted by: Gruntled

QUOTE(A%20Horse%20With%20No%20Name @ Wed 20th April 2011, 6:55pm) *

The answer to Wikipedia’s dilemma is simple: put good-looking people in charge.

Very good of you to think of me, Horse. But I'm rather busy on one or two other WMF sites at present.

Posted by: Anonymous editor

QUOTE(Tarc @ Wed 13th April 2011, 7:45pm) *


As for RfA opposes, nothing tops DougTech's "too many admins" spam, but carping about % of edit summary usage is certainly in the top 5.


I doubt it. I've seen many worse reasons. Ask Kurt.

Posted by: CharlotteWebb

QUOTE(melloden @ Tue 19th April 2011, 5:08pm) *

Wow, connecting WP with the real world??? Shocking. Before having sex, should I ask my doctor to tell her that my penis is long enough?

For enough money they'll lie to anyone.

QUOTE(Gruntled @ Thu 21st April 2011, 4:29pm) *

Very good of you to think of me, Horse. But I'm rather busy on one or two other WMF sites at present.

Yeah, we know.

QUOTE(Anonymous editor @ Fri 29th April 2011, 3:20pm) *

QUOTE(Tarc @ Wed 13th April 2011, 7:45pm) *

As for RfA opposes, nothing tops DougTech's "too many admins" spam, but carping about % of edit summary usage is certainly in the top 5.

I doubt it. I've seen many worse reasons. Ask Kurt.

Self-nomination is actually a pretty good reason to oppose.

Posted by: Malleus

QUOTE(CharlotteWebb @ Fri 29th April 2011, 6:19pm) *

Self-nomination is actually a pretty good reason to oppose.

In fact one of the best I think.

Posted by: Anonymous editor

QUOTE(CharlotteWebb @ Fri 29th April 2011, 1:19pm) *



QUOTE(Anonymous editor @ Fri 29th April 2011, 3:20pm) *

QUOTE(Tarc @ Wed 13th April 2011, 7:45pm) *

As for RfA opposes, nothing tops DougTech's "too many admins" spam, but carping about % of edit summary usage is certainly in the top 5.

I doubt it. I've seen many worse reasons. Ask Kurt.

Self-nomination is actually a pretty good reason to oppose.


Regardless, Kurt is the expert on frivolous opposes, and opposing based on edit summary is nothing.

Posted by: Malleus

QUOTE(Anonymous editor @ Fri 29th April 2011, 9:06pm) *

Regardless, Kurt is the expert on frivolous opposes, and opposing based on edit summary is nothing.

It's not for you to judge what is or isn't frivolous.

Posted by: Anonymous editor

Did you miss what this thread was about? It's about Shalom claiming some opposes are dumb, and then others chiming in about what is and isn't frivolous.

Posted by: CharlotteWebb

QUOTE(Anonymous editor @ Fri 29th April 2011, 9:08pm) *

Did you miss what this thread was about? It's about Shalom claiming some opposes are dumb, and then others chiming in about what is and isn't frivolous.

Nonsense. The entire thread is frivolous.

Posted by: Anonymous editor

frivolity on frivolity

just wondering why he waited until now to say that.

Posted by: Malleus

QUOTE(Anonymous editor @ Fri 29th April 2011, 11:37pm) *

frivolity on frivolity

just wondering why he waited until now to say that.

When you say "he" do you mean me? If so then the answer is that I have so many calls on my time that sometimes I miss your stupidity, and it takes me a while to catch up.

Posted by: chrisoff

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Featured_article_review/Schizophrenia/archive3&diff=prev&oldid=426638066

"Unlike you I actually have worked in mental health institutions, as a psychologist. I'm not still learning the job, as you and your university friends are." -Malleus

Dumb and dumber. Old fool!

Posted by: Malleus

QUOTE(chrisoff @ Sat 30th April 2011, 12:14am) *

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Featured_article_review/Schizophrenia/archive3&diff=prev&oldid=426638066

"Unlike you I actually have worked in mental health institutions, as a psychologist. I'm not still learning the job, as you and your university friends are." -Malleus

Dumb and dumber. Old fool!

Who is the more stupid? The one arguing with the idiot or the idiot? Are you claiming that I'm lying?

Posted by: The Joy

QUOTE(Malleus @ Fri 29th April 2011, 7:20pm) *

QUOTE(chrisoff @ Sat 30th April 2011, 12:14am) *

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Featured_article_review/Schizophrenia/archive3&diff=prev&oldid=426638066

"Unlike you I actually have worked in mental health institutions, as a psychologist. I'm not still learning the job, as you and your university friends are." -Malleus

Dumb and dumber. Old fool!

Who is the more stupid? The one arguing with the idiot or the idiot? Are you claiming that I'm lying?


Paraphrasing Obi-Wan Kenobi? rolleyes.gif applause.gif

QUOTE
Who is the more foolish? The fool or the fool who follows him?

Posted by: Malleus

QUOTE(The Joy @ Sat 30th April 2011, 2:00am) *

QUOTE(Malleus @ Fri 29th April 2011, 7:20pm) *

QUOTE(chrisoff @ Sat 30th April 2011, 12:14am) *

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Featured_article_review/Schizophrenia/archive3&diff=prev&oldid=426638066

"Unlike you I actually have worked in mental health institutions, as a psychologist. I'm not still learning the job, as you and your university friends are." -Malleus

Dumb and dumber. Old fool!

Who is the more stupid? The one arguing with the idiot or the idiot? Are you claiming that I'm lying?


Paraphrasing Obi-Wan Kenobi? rolleyes.gif applause.gif

QUOTE
Who is the more foolish? The fool or the fool who follows him?


How shallow you are.

Posted by: chrisoff

Malley is in a period of feeling sorry for himself again.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Malleus_Fatuorum&curid=5039689&diff=426650978&oldid=426648432

"I can see as well as anyone else that I don't fit in here."

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Malleus_Fatuorum&diff=prev&oldid=426645784

"I have way more enemies than friends here, and those who try to chase me away, believing that they're in some kind of pack and manoeuvring for position (let's see if we can get Malleus blocked, that's worth RfA brownie points), ought to examine their consciences. "

I'll amend the above to "Poor old fool!"

Posted by: radek

QUOTE(Malleus @ Fri 29th April 2011, 2:05pm) *

QUOTE(CharlotteWebb @ Fri 29th April 2011, 6:19pm) *

Self-nomination is actually a pretty good reason to oppose.

In fact one of the best I think.


"Too many admins" is in fact also under appreciated. It may not be true, but that's an empirical question. Logically, it's perfectly valid.

Posted by: EricBarbour

Ever noticed something about Mally? He marks a lot of iffy articles patrolled.

And then, within a few weeks, roughly 30-40% of them get deleted "out-of-process" by assorted admins.
Meaning, I can't find AFDs or other discussions about them.

Posted by: Malleus

QUOTE(EricBarbour @ Sun 1st May 2011, 1:30am) *

Ever noticed something about Mally? He marks a lot of iffy articles patrolled.

And then, within a few weeks, roughly 30-40% of them get deleted "out-of-process" by assorted admins.
Meaning, I can't find AFDs or other discussions about them.

Do you actually have any evidence to support your bile?

Posted by: melloden

QUOTE(Malleus @ Sun 1st May 2011, 1:44am) *

QUOTE(EricBarbour @ Sun 1st May 2011, 1:30am) *

Ever noticed something about Mally? He marks a lot of iffy articles patrolled.

And then, within a few weeks, roughly 30-40% of them get deleted "out-of-process" by assorted admins.
Meaning, I can't find AFDs or other discussions about them.

Do you actually have any evidence to support your bile?


Do you have eyes? I think you can look it up yourself.

Posted by: Malleus

QUOTE(melloden @ Sun 1st May 2011, 2:52am) *

QUOTE(Malleus @ Sun 1st May 2011, 1:44am) *

QUOTE(EricBarbour @ Sun 1st May 2011, 1:30am) *

Ever noticed something about Mally? He marks a lot of iffy articles patrolled.

And then, within a few weeks, roughly 30-40% of them get deleted "out-of-process" by assorted admins.
Meaning, I can't find AFDs or other discussions about them.

Do you actually have any evidence to support your bile?


Do you have eyes? I think you can look it up yourself.

How can I see what is plainly untrue?

Posted by: powercorrupts

QUOTE(Malleus @ Sat 30th April 2011, 12:20am) *

QUOTE(chrisoff @ Sat 30th April 2011, 12:14am) *

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Featured_article_review/Schizophrenia/archive3&diff=prev&oldid=426638066

"Unlike you I actually have worked in mental health institutions, as a psychologist. I'm not still learning the job, as you and your university friends are." -Malleus

Dumb and dumber. Old fool!

Who is the more stupid? The one arguing with the idiot or the idiot? Are you claiming that I'm lying?


I'll take that up. This isn't even Wikipedia, although that hardly seems to effect the ridiculous confidence of nuts like you in churning up hideously irony-free shite like "Are you claiming that I'm lying?".

Based upon your consistent behavioural patterns, it is absolutely impossible to believe you are (or even "have been” - sigh upon WP sigh) a psychologist who has worked in mental institutions. Even applying that ridiculous 'professional machismo' quotient that WPosers like you hang their invisible hats on, and (before anyone mentions it) the old adage about 'crankiness' in the personality-related professions too.

What you are Malleus is a typical Wikipego who thinks that 'anything goes' for the 'cause' in the great bare knuckle fight that is Wikipedia. Your only qualification is that you are an persistently arrogant nob who can't accept you can ever be wrong about anything. What else do you need? All that matters to maladjusts like you are how many numbers are in your clan, and their particular powers and support they have behind them. All the computer tactical game analogies are spot on.

I'm not sure you are even British, but I am sure that you and Rod would make a lovely couple. You share so much in common.

Posted by: Malleus

QUOTE(powercorrupts @ Sun 1st May 2011, 12:55pm) *

QUOTE(Malleus @ Sat 30th April 2011, 12:20am) *

QUOTE(chrisoff @ Sat 30th April 2011, 12:14am) *

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Featured_article_review/Schizophrenia/archive3&diff=prev&oldid=426638066

"Unlike you I actually have worked in mental health institutions, as a psychologist. I'm not still learning the job, as you and your university friends are." -Malleus

Dumb and dumber. Old fool!

Who is the more stupid? The one arguing with the idiot or the idiot? Are you claiming that I'm lying?


I'll take that up. This isn't even Wikipedia, although that hardly seems to effect the ridiculous confidence of nuts like you in churning up hideously irony-free shite like "Are you claiming that I'm lying?".

Based upon your consistent behavioural patterns, it is absolutely impossible to believe you are (or even "have been” - sigh upon WP sigh) a psychologist who has worked in mental institutions. Even applying that ridiculous 'professional machismo' quotient that WPosers like you hang their invisible hats on, and (before anyone mentions it) the old adage about 'crankiness' in the personality-related professions too.

What you are Malleus is a typical Wikipego who thinks that 'anything goes' for the 'cause' in the great bare knuckle fight that is Wikipedia. Your only qualification is that you are an persistently arrogant nob who can't accept you can ever be wrong about anything. What else do you need? All that matters to maladjusts like you are how many numbers are in your clan, and their particular powers and support they have behind them. All the computer tactical game analogies are spot on.

I'm not sure you are even British, but I am sure that you and Rod would make a lovely couple. You share so much in common.

You're quite right, of course, how perceptive of you. I'm actually an Albanian builder currently working in Poland.

Posted by: Milton Roe

QUOTE(powercorrupts @ Sun 1st May 2011, 12:55pm) *

Who is the more stupid? The one arguing with the idiot or the idiot?



The prime dictim of the internet: "When you argue with a fool, chances are he is doing just the same."

Posted by: chrisoff

QUOTE
"Based upon your consistent behavioural patterns, it is absolutely impossible to believe you are (or even "have been” - sigh upon WP sigh) a psychologist who has worked in mental institutions. Even applying that ridiculous 'professional machismo' quotient that WPosers like you hang their invisible hats on, and (before anyone mentions it) the old adage about 'crankiness' in the personality-related professions too."

"What you are Malleus is a typical Wikipego who thinks that 'anything goes' for the 'cause' in the great bare knuckle fight that is Wikipedia. Your only qualification is that you are an persistently arrogant nob who can't accept you can ever be wrong about anything. What else do you need? All that matters to maladjusts like you are how many numbers are in your clan, and their particular , and their particular powers and support they have behind them. All the computer tactical game analogies are spot on."


EXXACTLY

This is a guy who spends 13 hours a day on wikipedia and posts rampantly here also. Can't possibly have a real job.

Posted by: Malleus

QUOTE(chrisoff @ Sun 1st May 2011, 4:29pm) *

QUOTE
"Based upon your consistent behavioural patterns, it is absolutely impossible to believe you are (or even "have been” - sigh upon WP sigh) a psychologist who has worked in mental institutions. Even applying that ridiculous 'professional machismo' quotient that WPosers like you hang their invisible hats on, and (before anyone mentions it) the old adage about 'crankiness' in the personality-related professions too."

"What you are Malleus is a typical Wikipego who thinks that 'anything goes' for the 'cause' in the great bare knuckle fight that is Wikipedia. Your only qualification is that you are an persistently arrogant nob who can't accept you can ever be wrong about anything. What else do you need? All that matters to maladjusts like you are how many numbers are in your clan, and their particular , and their particular powers and support they have behind them. All the computer tactical game analogies are spot on."


EXXACTLY

This is a guy who spends 13 hours a day on wikipedia and posts rampantly here also. Can't possibly have a real job.

An average of 1.6 posts per day over more than three years is a strange definition of "rampant".

Posted by: chrisoff

An average of 1.6 posts a day over three years is "rampant" for someone who spends 13 hours a day on wikipedia.

Posted by: Malleus

QUOTE(chrisoff @ Sun 1st May 2011, 5:36pm) *

An average of 1.6 posts a day over three years is "rampant" for someone who spends 13 hours a day on wikipedia.

You're an malevolent idiot.

Posted by: powercorrupts

QUOTE(Milton Roe @ Sun 1st May 2011, 4:17pm) *

QUOTE(powercorrupts @ Sun 1st May 2011, 12:55pm) *

Who is the more stupid? The one arguing with the idiot or the idiot?



The prime dictim of the internet: "When you argue with a fool, chances are he is doing just the same."


Well, Mallius wrote that, so you shouldn't really quote it as me.

But I think I get your point - although, frankly, I was simply having a dig. I can't see how he can make an argument of it. (and to be fair, he hasn't.)

Posted by: melloden

QUOTE(Malleus @ Sun 1st May 2011, 5:15pm) *

QUOTE(chrisoff @ Sun 1st May 2011, 5:36pm) *

An average of 1.6 posts a day over three years is "rampant" for someone who spends 13 hours a day on wikipedia.

You're an malevolent idiot.


chrisoff, do you have a life? All you seem to do is throw petty insults at random people on WR.

Posted by: Milton Roe

QUOTE(melloden @ Sun 1st May 2011, 12:08pm) *

QUOTE(Malleus @ Sun 1st May 2011, 5:15pm) *

QUOTE(chrisoff @ Sun 1st May 2011, 5:36pm) *

An average of 1.6 posts a day over three years is "rampant" for someone who spends 13 hours a day on wikipedia.

You're an malevolent idiot.


chrisoff, do you have a life? All you seem to do is throw petty insults at random people on WR.


Well, that IS what we pay for. Don't you get your bill?

http://www.hhgproject.org/entries/wowbagger.html. Hmmm.

Posted by: chrisoff

QUOTE
http://www.hhgproject.org/entries/wowbagger.html. Hmmm.


Nail on the head!





Posted by: Theanima

Speaking of dumb opposes, check out http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Catfish_Jim_and_the_soapdish&diff=prev&oldid=426841573 beauty from "Lankiveil".

Posted by: melloden

QUOTE(Theanima @ Sun 1st May 2011, 9:24pm) *

Speaking of dumb opposes, check out http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Catfish_Jim_and_the_soapdish&diff=prev&oldid=426841573 beauty from "Lankiveil".


"You have been blocked by Catfish Jim and the soapdish"--wait, whaaa?!

Posted by: Anonymous editor

QUOTE(Malleus @ Fri 29th April 2011, 6:48pm) *

QUOTE(Anonymous editor @ Fri 29th April 2011, 11:37pm) *

frivolity on frivolity

just wondering why he waited until now to say that.

When you say "he" do you mean me? If so then the answer is that I have so many calls on my time that sometimes I miss your stupidity, and it takes me a while to catch up.


Ah Malleus. I missed your favorite debate tactic: use name-calling to cover up your lack of clue.

I made a point which you failed to respond to, and instead you chose to yet again resort to name-calling rather than discuss something in a mature manner.

Posted by: Malleus

QUOTE(Anonymous editor @ Mon 2nd May 2011, 3:49am) *

QUOTE(Malleus @ Fri 29th April 2011, 6:48pm) *

QUOTE(Anonymous editor @ Fri 29th April 2011, 11:37pm) *

frivolity on frivolity

just wondering why he waited until now to say that.

When you say "he" do you mean me? If so then the answer is that I have so many calls on my time that sometimes I miss your stupidity, and it takes me a while to catch up.


Ah Malleus. I missed your favorite debate tactic: use name-calling to cover up your lack of clue.

I made a point which you failed to respond to, and instead you chose to yet again resort to name-calling rather than discuss something in a mature manner.

Fuck off with your maturity bollocks asshole.

Posted by: The Joy

QUOTE(Malleus @ Sun 1st May 2011, 11:18pm) *

QUOTE(Anonymous editor @ Mon 2nd May 2011, 3:49am) *

QUOTE(Malleus @ Fri 29th April 2011, 6:48pm) *

QUOTE(Anonymous editor @ Fri 29th April 2011, 11:37pm) *

frivolity on frivolity

just wondering why he waited until now to say that.

When you say "he" do you mean me? If so then the answer is that I have so many calls on my time that sometimes I miss your stupidity, and it takes me a while to catch up.


Ah Malleus. I missed your favorite debate tactic: use name-calling to cover up your lack of clue.

I made a point which you failed to respond to, and instead you chose to yet again resort to name-calling rather than discuss something in a mature manner.

Fuck off with your maturity bollocks asshole.


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Posted by: Detective

QUOTE(radek @ Sun 1st May 2011, 12:35am) *

"Too many admins" is in fact also under appreciated. It may not be true, but that's an empirical question. Logically, it's perfectly valid.

I suppose a better point would be "too many poor admins". I don't think there is an overabundance of good ones, and I hope that few people would object if there were. Wouldn't it be nice if the closing bureaucrat could say "Yes, I think this is a good admin candidate and to make room for him I've arranged a desysop of a rubbish admin".

Posted by: timbo

Sxeptomaniac: >>I never planned on even trying for adminship, but participating in RFAs for a while only made it clearer why that was a good choice. It's not really even the process, IMO. It's the mind-numbingly bureaucratic participants, the popularity-contest nature of the thing, and the blatantly myopic denials of the obvious: "It's not a vote" and "Adminship is no big deal" were frequently cited whenever it became too apparent that everyone believes the opposite.


You've got that right, mate. I'm a big believer in the Wikipedia project and a proud content-creator, but the Lord of the Flies Adminship process is unbelievably fucking junior high school. I've got no use for that crap.

Posted by: A Horse With No Name

QUOTE(melloden @ Sun 1st May 2011, 3:08pm) *

QUOTE(Malleus @ Sun 1st May 2011, 5:15pm) *

QUOTE(chrisoff @ Sun 1st May 2011, 5:36pm) *

An average of 1.6 posts a day over three years is "rampant" for someone who spends 13 hours a day on wikipedia.

You're an malevolent idiot.


chrisoff, do you have a life? All you seem to do is throw petty insults at random people on WR.


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Posted by: Anonymous editor

QUOTE(Malleus @ Sun 1st May 2011, 11:18pm) *

QUOTE(Anonymous editor @ Mon 2nd May 2011, 3:49am) *

QUOTE(Malleus @ Fri 29th April 2011, 6:48pm) *

QUOTE(Anonymous editor @ Fri 29th April 2011, 11:37pm) *

frivolity on frivolity

just wondering why he waited until now to say that.

When you say "he" do you mean me? If so then the answer is that I have so many calls on my time that sometimes I miss your stupidity, and it takes me a while to catch up.


Ah Malleus. I missed your favorite debate tactic: use name-calling to cover up your lack of clue.

I made a point which you failed to respond to, and instead you chose to yet again resort to name-calling rather than discuss something in a mature manner.

Fuck off with your maturity bollocks asshole.




Thank you for proving my point. You are incapable of mature discussion and need to resort to childish insults so you can claim you "won". All that you've won is the title of Biggest Loser. Congratulations.