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post Fri 23rd December 2011, 11:53am
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QUOTE(Doc glasgow @ Fri 23rd December 2011, 2:56pm) *

If ignorance was a notifiable disease in the land of the fat and the ignorant ... then... oh, bugger it, the sentence is simply incoherent nonsense. I do not like green eggs and ham either.


tsk tsk....If ingorance were a notifiable disease etc.

remember the subjunctive
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post Fri 23rd December 2011, 11:55am
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QUOTE(mbz1 @ Thu 22nd December 2011, 10:52pm) *

Only there is a problem with that. Gwen has changed towards you because she knows,
when it is time to support consensus, but she did not change towards others.
She has been a bully administrator since she started and up to now.


Oh, thank God. I had missed Gwen Gale's latest comment, I'm not sure what I would do without mbz1's constant running commentary about her. It might save some time if you'd just grab @gwenisabullyadmin on Twitter.

As for MF, yes, it's all about the drama. I agree with Doc here. If MF wants to contribute content, go ahead, but railing against other editors isn't writing. It's just poking the hive to get them to say your name.

Not just talking about MF here, but if you think you're a "great content contributor" (or some other version of wiki-praise), then so what? Your well-written, properly researched information that you've donated can be easily overwritten or deleted by some twelve-year-old who prefers his words to yours. That's the way it works.
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post Fri 23rd December 2011, 12:02pm
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Giano does have more style than Malleus. Malleus has to resort to swears, comes off as a swearing asshole, Giano just came off as a simple ass.

To me, assholes are worse than asses (which is still below "fucking cunt", come on man if you're going to play your trump card at least do it when you know you have no choice).
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post Fri 23rd December 2011, 12:13pm
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QUOTE(Doc glasgow @ Fri 23rd December 2011, 5:12am) *


Rubbish. Malleus is not editing in good faith.


Say, aren't you the fool who went around making anti-Semitic comments on Wikipedia? ermm.gif

QUOTE(Doc glasgow @ Fri 23rd December 2011, 5:12am) *
He's not stupid enough to call someone a "cunt" and not realise exactly what reaction and drama he'd get.


Words, words, words, I'm so sick of words...



(Is this the first time that Malley was compared to Audrey Hepburn?)

QUOTE(mbz1 @ Thu 22nd December 2011, 11:52pm) *


Girl on girl action? Hmmm...does that article come with a video? evilgrin.gif

QUOTE(mbz1 @ Thu 22nd December 2011, 11:52pm) *

You could and should forgive, but bully administrators hurt contributors and they should be constantly reminded to be fair with every good faith editor, and not only with valued and notable editors as you are, Malleus.


That sort of sounds like Don McLean singing about Vincent Van Gogh, no? smile.gif

QUOTE(thekohser @ Thu 22nd December 2011, 9:00pm) *

Come on, would it have killed you to include me? (Not to mention the dozens of other articles created by my socks since then! evilgrin.gif


Greg, you should contact the Pulitzer Prize organizers - I think that Examiner.com qualifies under their new rules relating to online media. (This is not a joke, by the way.)

QUOTE(Malleus @ Thu 22nd December 2011, 10:25pm) *
It's about time that ignorance became a notifiable disease in the land of the fat and ignorant.


If that was the case, Mitt Romney would be walking around with a thermometer in his mouth. bored.gif
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post Fri 23rd December 2011, 12:15pm
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QUOTE(A Horse With No Name @ Fri 23rd December 2011, 6:13am) *

QUOTE(Malleus @ Thu 22nd December 2011, 10:25pm) *
It's about time that ignorance became a notifiable disease in the land of the fat and ignorant.


If that was the case, any politician would be walking around with a thermometer in his mouth. bored.gif


Fixed that for ya evilgrin.gif
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post Fri 23rd December 2011, 12:48pm
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QUOTE(that one guy @ Fri 23rd December 2011, 7:15am) *

QUOTE(A Horse With No Name @ Fri 23rd December 2011, 6:13am) *

QUOTE(Malleus @ Thu 22nd December 2011, 10:25pm) *
It's about time that ignorance became a notifiable disease in the land of the fat and ignorant.


If that was the case, any politician would be walking around with a thermometer in his mouth. bored.gif


Fixed that for ya evilgrin.gif


Phooey...I'm being censored! hrmph.gif
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post Fri 23rd December 2011, 2:38pm
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QUOTE(A Horse With No Name @ Fri 23rd December 2011, 6:48am) *

QUOTE(that one guy @ Fri 23rd December 2011, 7:15am) *

QUOTE(A Horse With No Name @ Fri 23rd December 2011, 6:13am) *

QUOTE(Malleus @ Thu 22nd December 2011, 10:25pm) *
It's about time that ignorance became a notifiable disease in the land of the fat and ignorant.


If that was the case, any politician would be walking around with a thermometer in his mouth. bored.gif


Fixed that for ya evilgrin.gif


Phooey...I'm being censored! hrmph.gif


Oh no, I'm not censoring you. I agree with the original statement, but I'm just saying he's not the only one that's like that. fear.gif
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post Fri 23rd December 2011, 3:02pm
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Doc, serious question - what is your fixation on Malleus? I don't really get why you are going after him. There are actual people in power that need to be removed and the best way to do that is with such trench warfare. Why target Malleus? He has no power, isn't respected by the WMF, etc. It seems a little backwards and it kinda makes you look like a bully.

Do I feel that way about you? Nah. You know I like you regardless of what you think about me. But I also feel the same way about Malleus. I just find it odd.

I have to say, at least Cla is constantly going after the right people to go after if you think going after people is good.



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I think the subjunctive has gone the way of Malleus. Perhaps it needs to be constantly banned, too. However, I doubt such a thing would cause any drama.

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post Fri 23rd December 2011, 3:45pm
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QUOTE(A Horse With No Name @ Fri 23rd December 2011, 7:13am) *

Greg, you should contact the Pulitzer Prize organizers - I think that Examiner.com qualifies under their new rules relating to online media. (This is not a joke, by the way.)

Phooey! There's a $50 entry fee. Maybe I can get my overlords at Examiner to foot the bill.
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post Fri 23rd December 2011, 3:53pm
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QUOTE(Ottava @ Fri 23rd December 2011, 3:02pm) *

Doc, serious question - what is your fixation on Malleus? I don't really get why you are going after him. There are actual people in power that need to be removed and the best way to do that is with such trench warfare. Why target Malleus? He has no power, isn't respected by the WMF, etc. It seems a little backwards and it kinda makes you look like a bully.

Do I feel that way about you? Nah. You know I like you regardless of what you think about me. But I also feel the same way about Malleus. I just find it odd.

I have to say, at least Cla is constantly going after the right people to go after if you think going after people is good.


I didn't know who Malleus was until recently, and I am not "going after" him a all.

However, the "poor Malleus is being bullied" is just more of the victim-complex bullshit. Malleus is the one on the attention-seeking power trip - he's the one calling the shots and making the choices here.

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post Fri 23rd December 2011, 3:53pm
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QUOTE(Malleus @ Fri 23rd December 2011, 7:31am) *

QUOTE(mbz1 @ Fri 23rd December 2011, 4:52am) *

Malleus, your block is going to end on 12/29. Why did you call your post "My final request" ?

No, it will end when and if I decide it ends, which won't be 12/29.

You mean you would decide to end it earlier? smile.gif

On a more serious note. I believe you should have used your "final request"
to defend Hawkeye7. Why? Because he was falsely accused that he was "wheel-warring" to block you after there was a consensus to unblock you. You know it is not the case. He blocked
you not for what Thumperward blocked you, but for an absolutely different reason.
Leaving alone the fairness of the block, he was not "wheel-warring" as gwen gale and Black Kite claim.

And about gwen, well one IP said it all at your talk
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I've been very disappointed in Gwen Gale for years now. I defended her against ArbCom trolling. It seems her reaction to serious abuse at the hands of Wikipedia's elite has been to embrace its values and to ape its practices, in the hope of becoming one of them.

That's right, and not only concerning gwen gale.
Many seemingly normal users who got power became "one of them", and the more power they get the more "one of them" they become.
If you,Malleus, will succeed in your challenge to become a member of govcom the next year, you'd probably become "one of them" too because, if you do not, you'd be crashed by the system.

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post Fri 23rd December 2011, 5:58pm
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QUOTE(thekohser @ Fri 23rd December 2011, 10:45am) *

QUOTE(A Horse With No Name @ Fri 23rd December 2011, 7:13am) *

Greg, you should contact the Pulitzer Prize organizers - I think that Examiner.com qualifies under their new rules relating to online media. (This is not a joke, by the way.)

Phooey! There's a $50 entry fee. Maybe I can get my overlords at Examiner to foot the bill.


Phooey times twoey! Fifty bucks ain't so bad, Greg. And you would be a shoo-in for the Commentary category. You should double check with the Pulitzer folks to confirm that their prize is yours for the taking.

QUOTE(Doc glasgow @ Fri 23rd December 2011, 10:53am) *

I didn't know who Malleus was until recently, and I am not "going after" him a all.


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post Fri 23rd December 2011, 6:28pm
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QUOTE(Doc glasgow @ Fri 23rd December 2011, 10:53am) *

I didn't know who Malleus was until recently, and I am not "going after" him a all.

However, the "poor Malleus is being bullied" is just more of the victim-complex bullshit. Malleus is the one on the attention-seeking power trip - he's the one calling the shots and making the choices here.


A friend of mine pointed out a few links dealing with Malleus's talk page - some were from a few months back. You tended to wade into a few of the messes dealing with him.

And who cares if Malleus is being bullied or not. I'm more focused on your attention - by having the people who want things fixed at Wikipedia fighting amongst themselves, don't the truly problematic people win?


But yes, the other day you were trying to defend Maunus, which was a little absurd. You tried calling him an academic and justified his really obnoxious behavior. I don't remember you ever defending me, when my degrees are far, far better (hell, my Masters in Classics came from a school that was recently rated "most rigorous" where Harvard only scored 17). You have a strange approach sometimes. smile.gif
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QUOTE(Ottava @ Fri 23rd December 2011, 2:33am) *

QUOTE(mbz1 @ Thu 22nd December 2011, 8:33pm) *

I only wish ignoring trolls were as easy on wikipedia as it is on WR.

It is hard to ignore them

I bow to the wisdom of an undoubted expert on the subject of trolling. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Ottava @ Fri 23rd December 2011, 3:02pm) *

Doc, serious question - what is your fixation on Malleus? I don't really get why you are going after him. There are actual people in power that need to be removed and the best way to do that is with such trench warfare. Why target Malleus? He has no power, isn't respected by the WMF, etc. It seems a little backwards and it kinda makes you look like a bully.

Do I feel that way about you? Nah. You know I like you regardless of what you think about me. But I also feel the same way about Malleus. I just find it odd.

Who cares what Doc claims to think, certainly not me. But in the Christmas spirit let me say this; you and I haven't always seen eye to eye Ottava, and I've no reason to believe that we always will in the future, but I think the way you were treated by ArbCom was disgraceful. Wikipedia is certainly not a better place as a result of your extended exile. Quite the opposite really.
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QUOTE(mbz1 @ Fri 23rd December 2011, 3:53pm) *

QUOTE(Malleus @ Fri 23rd December 2011, 7:31am) *

QUOTE(mbz1 @ Fri 23rd December 2011, 4:52am) *

Malleus, your block is going to end on 12/29. Why did you call your post "My final request" ?

No, it will end when and if I decide it ends, which won't be 12/29.

You mean you would decide to end it earlier? smile.gif

On a more serious note. I believe you should have used your "final request"
to defend Hawkeye7. Why? Because he was falsely accused that he was "wheel-warring" to block you after there was a consensus to unblock you. You know it is not the case. He blocked
you not for what Thumperward blocked you, but for an absolutely different reason.
Leaving alone the fairness of the block, he was not "wheel-warring" as gwen gale and Black Kite claim.

And about gwen, well one IP said it all at your talk
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I've been very disappointed in Gwen Gale for years now. I defended her against ArbCom trolling. It seems her reaction to serious abuse at the hands of Wikipedia's elite has been to embrace its values and to ape its practices, in the hope of becoming one of them.

That's right, and not only concerning gwen gale.
Many seemingly normal users who got power became "one of them", and the more power they get the more "one of them" they become.
If you,Malleus, will succeed in your challenge to become a member of govcom the next year, you'd probably become "one of them" too because, if you do not, you'd be crashed by the system.

You need to get your logic chip examined, it's clearly faulty.
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QUOTE(Malleus @ Fri 23rd December 2011, 2:05pm) *


Who cares what Doc claims to think, certainly not me.



You have a point. But I care about this.

StrawCat's additions were absolute rubbish, as are the adding of templates that question cited material. I am bothered by the guy taking a nice metaphor that Johnson didn't feel needed to be explained and then using really crappy sources to ruin it. Looking at some of the changes Sandy didn't revert, it changes quite a bit of the tone, makes the paragraphing choppy, etc. Like the removal of the "although" regarding Tory disconnects the reader from easily seeing that Tories didn't necessary think the way Johnson did on those issues.

He claims in his summary "The 'although' presupposes that Tories and Jacobites were antagonistic; this was not necessarily the case", which makes it obvious that he never read any of the source material.

Then you have things like adding a "dubious" template. The source clearly says "It must be said, to begin with, that Johnson is not, and does not wish to be, a critical ''theorist''." It is hard to be more blunt than that, but this guy, without any sources nor any background, adds a dubious template.


This is why you need to be able to edit, because I can't protect the page from such outright disruption and trolling. Dozens of my pages get that treatment, especially when people randomly change language to say the opposite of the source material or add templates claiming that the source can't possibly say what it most blatantly says. And yet, if you get banned, no one will be there to defend -that- page.

So stop your fucking whining, get unblocked during the ArbCom case, and fix that damn page instead of just leaving without any one able to do it. Because Sandy doesn't bother to listen to me and I don't sock, so you are the only one who will even bother. There are tens of thousands of page hits, but these pages take people with the actual sources and knowledge to know what is right or wrong.

ArbCom wont bother to let me, an expert, fix the pages. They claim that I only want my preferred version and they use my desire to have these pages to actually reflect the source material, not have original research, and not have plagiarism as proof I need to be banned. I have plenty of emails saying such things, and even Jclemens recently said it to me and it is sad that people bothered to let him back in. Risker and Roger Davies, two of Sandy's pets, are some of the worst when it comes to content as they actively oppose fixing pages. So if you really want to say screw you to ArbCom, you get your unblock for right now and fix these pages while you still can.

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Welcome to Nerd Talk. It has been four minutes since you last publicly masturbated.

Lasted longer than you did then.
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I think there is a more fundemental difference between MF and the people he is up against; its more than content vs templaters and gamers, its national and generational, and about social class. MF comes from a generation and enviroment and class, like me, where you have to think on you feet or you get swallowed. Were as a lot of the admins are spoit brats.

Cunt is a very common word here, anybody ever read Irvin Welsh which is realsim x 100? I hear it in my workplace all the time, but whats respected in my work place is cuting through the bluff and getting to the nub of the thing, regardelss of whoes feelings are hurt, and that is why I am paid, and that's what is important or we might as all go home and drink petrol. Making people fell fuzzy and warm, with nice words? Fuck that.

Ottava is right, there ARE gamers out there, templaters and taggers and worse that have nothing better to do than to troll content. Note Tumperwarder's contributions after he indefed MF was to go add a bunch of "lead too short tags". Wankery of the first order, as if they will motivate anybody; they are just self serving self importing spam, hes just providing a lightweight reason to breath. But thats not even the quarter of it. What often happens is that an incumbant says no, actually, and they swarm and choke, we is admins. You then find your self up against a bunch of similarlly lightweight but supporting tools on AN/I. Fustrated, swearing, and blocked/ckoked again, and even more isolated from the thing youve given thousands of hours researching/reading/writing for.

A lot of admins are class acts imo, but the spam templaters and veiled elected gamers seem to be in the majority and winning and their main weapon is they dont give a fuck, have no investment and so can stay calm in argument with thoes that do actually care, those that can easily be baited. Sorry, to be so charmless and blunt, butb its FUN for them, and they have nothing to do anyway. Thats what this is about. I know MF is invested to the extent that it gets the better of him; Doc's suggestion that its trolling is a serious misunderstanding.

Also Doc, would you like to hyave seen Gerard/Sidway win the Giano wars? Last I heard of Gerard outside of his protected listserv was boasting about some pityful c class article, from 6 months ago.

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