Child erotica Options

[carbuncle]

A coincidental meeting of some of popular WR themes and characters?

Stillwaterising, known for some strong opions about the recent porn deletions on Commons and for obessively polishing the bio of professional deepthroat enthusiast Heather Harmon, has added an image of an adult female model to Child erotica. That image comes from the uploads of the prolific Commons porn uploader Max Rebo Band.

I have no good explanation for why Stillwaterising would be adding a picture of an adult female -- she is a Suicide Girls model, so at least 18 -- to an article about "child" erotica.

[Cock-up-over-conspiracy]

Very good for you if you did ... (but is uploading fap material to the internet really called research these days?)

And what about the children?

[Stillwaterising]

And what about the children?

Ok, so what about the child, Loretta from SuicideGirls? She's from Sweden actually. Her profile page is here. I noticed instant cognitive dissonance at what appears to be ageplay.

As far as I know, all seven sets of images were all are of the same girl, the last six are dated 2005-2006. The first one, from which the Flickr picture was uploaded is dated 2007, so this one should be the most recent, right?

The photos were dated June 14, 2007, but is this the upload date or date of photography? The comments section goes

Abbiss/SUICIDEGIRL/Belgium
JUN 14, 2007 06:03 AM
Wow!! I already saw all your set but couldn\'t recognize you on these! It looks like old childish pics! Very very cute! You\'re beautiful

This girl isn't native English speaker, but what I think she's seems to be saying is: I've seen your other photo sets and this looks nothing like you. They look like old childhood photos! Very very cute! You're beautiful.
Remember the above quote is from a fellow SG contract girl and is very telling.

For policy on age verification see: http://suicidegirls.com/girlsfaq/

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[carbuncle]

And what about the children?

Ok, so what about the child, Loretta from SuicideGirls? Her profile page is here. I noticed instant cognitive dissonance (T-H-L-K-D).

As far as I know, these five sets of images were all are of the same girl, the last four are dated 2005-2006. The first one, from which the Flickr picture was uploaded is dated 2007, so this one should be the most recent, right?

The photos were dated June 14, 2007, but is this the upload date or date of photography? The comment in the comments section goes

Abbiss/SUICIDEGIRL/Belgium
JUN 14, 2007 06:03 AM
Wow!! I already saw all your set but couldn\'t recognize you on these! It looks like old childish pics! Very very cute! You\'re beautiful

This girl isn't native English speaker, but what I think she's seems to be saying is: I've seen your other photo sets and this looks nothing like you. They look like old childhood photos! Very very cute! You're beautiful.
Remember the above quote is from a fellow SG contract girl and is very telling.

For policy on age verification see: http://suicidegirls.com/girlsfaq/

Let's assume you're not just trolling and you believe that "Loretta" was younger than 18 at the time these pictures were taken, based solely on your own opinion and despite the legal requirement for Suicide Girls to verify the age of their models. What was your purpose in adding the image to the "child erotica" article?

[Stillwaterising]

Let's assume you're not just trolling and you believe that "Loretta" was younger than 18 at the time these pictures were taken, based solely on your own opinion and despite the legal requirement for Suicide Girls to verify the age of their models.

Lets say for the sake of argument that Loretta was over the age of 18 years old when she applied to join SuicideGirls and submitted a scanned copy of her passport and some other acceptable form of identification like her state-issued medical coverage card. Next she created an account and uploaded a "set" of photographs.

Her profile says "Loretta is a 24 year old SG from Sweden" in the title bar. The set in question was from Jun 14, 2007 (3 years ago) so she would have been around 21 then. The first set (2 years earlier) she appears to be over 18.

The photographer's profile is here (scary). I don't know what these photo's contain (not a member), but anybody who pays $12/mo can view the whole set, which MUST contain (from sect 5.20 of GIRLSFAQ):

Q: Do I have to get naked?
A: Yes, you do have to be fully nude. Fully exposed breasts and bums are required, but spread shots definitely are not. The nudity should be tasteful not graphic, but you do have to be fully nude. Think along the lines of cute, pin-up photography and not explicit nudity. We will not accept explicit, close up spread shots, any holding or touching, and certainly no penetration!! Your application never expires, so you are more than welcome to wait until you are fully comfortable to send us a set.

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[carbuncle]

Let's assume you're not just trolling and you believe that "Loretta" was younger than 18 at the time these pictures were taken, based solely on your own opinion and despite the legal requirement for Suicide Girls to verify the age of their models.

Lets say for the sake of argument that Loretta was over the age of 18 years old when she applied to join SuicideGirls and submitted a scanned copy of her passport and some other acceptable form of identification like her state-issued medical coverage card. Then she Next she created an account and uploaded a "set" of photographs.

Her profile says "Loretta is a 24 year old SG from Sweden" in the title bar. The set in question was from Jun 14, 2007 (3 years ago) so she would have been around 21 then. The first set (2 years earlier) she appears to be over 18.

The photographer's profile is here (scary). I don't know what these photo's contain (not a member), but anybody who pays $12/mo can view the whole set, which MUST contain (from sect 5.20 of GIRLSFAQ):

Q: Do I have to get naked?
A: Yes, you do have to be fully nude. Fully exposed breasts and bums are required, but spread shots definitely are not. The nudity should be tasteful not graphic, but you do have to be fully nude. Think along the lines of cute, pin-up photography and not explicit nudity. We will not accept explicit, close up spread shots, any holding or touching, and certainly no penetration!! Your application never expires, so you are more than welcome to wait until you are fully comfortable to send us a set.

If you're trying to make a point here, I'm really not getting what it is. Why are you avoiding my question for a second time? What was your purpose in adding the image to the "child erotica" article?


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[Stillwaterising]

If you're trying to make a point here, I'm really not getting what it is. Why are you avoiding my question for a second time? What was your purpose in adding the image to the "child erotica" article?

My purpose was several fold:
1. Bring awareness to the issue
2. Reuse this image as a test case of proposed child erotica policies (none existed before I wrote them -diff)
3. Test the Commons' community reaction to

Getting attention like this wasn't what I was expecting. I don't see how people can sit back in their chairs and freely attack my motivations but sit back and do nothing about it.

Here's what I encourage people to do:
1. Read and participate developing the Commons:Sexual content guidelines. Policies set by Commons affect ALL projects, not just Commons.
2. Report any (on or off-wiki) images of apparent (no proof needed) child pornography/erotica to the NCMEC. This included drawing/illustrations/and cartoons regardless of date of manufacture.
3. Report any images found on WMF to the Foundation (here)
4. Contact the lawmakers and policy makers (OPTF) and help get the laws changed.
5. Last -- stop attacking the messenger! If you want to "go after" somebody go after the person(s) rescpondible for Cock and ball torture (T-H-L-K-D).

Please read my signature below. That's his original statement which has been misquoted as "All it takes for evil to triumph is for a few good men to do nothing."

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[thekohser]

Getting attention like this wasn't what I was expecting. I don't see how people can sit back in their chairs and freely attack my motivations but sit back and do nothing about it.

I'm banned from most every Wikimedia project.

How can I help you?!

5. Last -- stop attacking the messenger! If you want to "go after" somebody go after the person(s) rescpondible for Cock and ball torture (T-H-L-K-D).

You mean Tony Sidaway?

Sure, I'll be happy to "go after" him. Unban, please!!