User:Chase me ladies, I'm the cavalry, Another member of the military moonlights as an admin and makes a fool Options

[Heat]

User:Chase_me_ladies,_I'm_the_Cavalry is a member of "The Armed Forces of the Crown" (ie the Royal Navy) and a wikipedia admin on OTRS duty. He seems to have cocked this one up by taking at 100% face value an OTRS complaint by professional conspiracy theorist Isreal Shamir that User:RolandR was using Wikipedia to try to get him assassinated. Can you really enforce BLP by libelling an editor?

[ulsterman]

"The Armed Forces of the Crown" (ie the Royal Navy)

Not necessarily. In the United Kingdom, the armed forces also include the Army and the Royal Air Force. And strictly speaking the armed forces of those other countries that still have the Queen as their head of State are "Armed Forces of the Crown". That of course includes Canada, Australia, New Zealand and a few places in the Caribbean.

[Moulton]

And the Falkland Islands.

Let's not forget the Royal Armed Forces of the Falkland islands.

[Heat]

"The Armed Forces of the Crown" (ie the Royal Navy)

Not necessarily. In the United Kingdom, the armed forces also include the Army and the Royal Air Force. And strictly speaking the armed forces of those other countries that still have the Queen as their head of State are "Armed Forces of the Crown". That of course includes Canada, Australia, New Zealand and a few places in the Caribbean.

His user page also states: " I am in the Royal Navy."



This post has been edited by Heat: Sat 14th August 2010, 6:30pm

[tarantino]

He refers to the Navy elsewhere on his userpage:

Isn't he dreamy?

[SB_Johnny]

He refers to the Navy elsewhere on his userpage:

Isn't he dreamy?

Ah, the Tommy Hilfinger Royal Navy.

[The Joy]

He refers to the Navy elsewhere on his userpage:

Isn't he dreamy?

Ah, the Tommy Hilfinger Royal Navy.

Is his pants buttoned?

[Heat]

He strikes me as the type who is too immature to handle authority. He reads an OTRS complaint, lacks the capacity or intellectual tools to deal with it critically and instead identifies completely with the complainant. He then exceeds his authority and violates the rights of others and uses his secret and privileged knowledge of the content of the OTRS letter to justify everything. Trust me, I'm an admin, I can't tell you the reasons for my actions except in enough detail as to completely bias the discussion. And, of course, he can't resist lording it over mere editors and trumping up the fact that he's a member of the elect trusted with TOP SECRET and CONFIDENTIAL information.

Another admin, Jayjg, no friend of RolandR has looked at the OTRS complaint. This is his verdict on it:

Well, I think I can say that I've read the OTRS ticket-based accusations raised against you in that thread, and they appear run the gamut from unbelievable to laughable, consisting of the same kinds of non-factual conspiratorial inventions that are often advanced by the subject of the article.

I don't know what User:Chase me ladies, I'm the cavalry does in the military but I certainly hope, for the sake of Her Majesty and all, that he's not in military intelligence since a) he obviously lacks the critical thinking skills needed to assess information and b) he obviously lacks discretion and doesn't know how to handle "confidential" information. He'd rather gossip scandalously in order to let everyone know that he has authoritay (as Cartman in South Park would say) then actually be mature and keep confidential information confidential if, for no other reason, than not to spread gossip and slander.

[Somey]

I'm redundantly repeating myself again for the umpteenth time, but this is a classic example of why an opt-out policy would be good for Wikipedia - there's no reason why someone who calls himself something as silly as "Chase Me Ladies, I'm the Cavalry" should be dealing with this, or should even be allowed to deal with this, other than to ask this person, "do you want the article deleted, with no chance of it ever being restored while you're alive"? And if the person says "yes," that's it - clean break, end of discussion. Nobody loses, not really. Instead, we get incidents like this one, which only make Wikipedia look even more stupid than it actually is.

If Shamir says, "no, I don't want the article deleted," then they simply say, "sorry, but in that case your options are to let people smear you, or try to fix the article yourself, or find out who's smearing you and sue them, at least until such time as you can sue the Wikimedia Foundation for hosting the article."

What would Shamir's choice likely be? Does anyone know?

If he's at least partially sane (which does seem arguable), IMO he'd probably want it deleted. From what I gather, the only real purpose for this article is to further demonstrate that there are still people in the world who don't like Jews for reasons that are at best incoherent, and at worst, stupid and hateful - and that some of those people are in positions where they could conceivably influence others, assuming the word "others" means "a bunch of gullible idiots." But the article only makes him look more influential, probably more than he actually is, and certainly more than he deserves to be.

[The Joy]

Mr. Shamir can't even respond on Wikipedia since he was blocked for editing his article.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Israel_shamir

[Somey]

Mr. Shamir can't even respond on Wikipedia since he was blocked for editing his article.

Right - I meant "try to fix the article yourself while pretending to be someone other than you," but the phone rang at just that moment...

[Heat]

It's pretty obvious that User:Kingfisher12 is Israel Shamir (and it's also obvious that the OTRS complainant is Kingfisher12. Rather incredibly, Cavalry says of Kingfisher "For what it's worth, I sincerely don't think it's Shamir." even though the arguments Kingfisher makes in Talk:Israel Shamir are identical to the arguments Shamir himself makes in the OTRS complaint (which Chase me quotes directly before realising he really shouldn't do that)

I don't think I've ever seen such a gullible and credulous admin before. The Royal Navy's standards must be dropping - either that or they value uncritical belief of everything you're told above all else.

[A Horse With No Name]

Isn't he dreamy?

He looks like Jimmy Fallon in a cheap wig.

Can anyone guess where that photo was taken?

[Basil]

Do they really allow naval ratings to sport such a haircut? In my day you would have been sent straight to the barbers and then some. I guess he's really a wannabe.

[Heat]

Do they really allow naval ratings to sport such a haircut? In my day you would have been sent straight to the barbers and then some. I guess he's really a wannabe.

Those are definitely naval regulation blue jeans.

Surely, you're not suggesting that a Wikipedia admin, let alone a Wikipedia editor, would fake their bio in a quest for respect, buy a surplus navy shirt and head down to his local dock to get some pics taken in front of a submarine?

Isn't it a violation of military discipline to be half in uniform like that?

His user page has a picture of him sporting shorter hair and (apparently) firing a gun - or at least posing with a gun. Unclear to me if he's wearing proper naval attire.

Could be worse though. At least he's not eating a cheese sandwich.

This post has been edited by Heat: Sat 14th August 2010, 6:42pm

[Somey]

Could be worse though. At least he's not eating a cheese sandwich.

Particularly if the cheese sandwich was Photoshopped in later on - that would be terrible!

Can anyone guess where that photo was taken?

It looks a lot like the HMS Ocelot, an Oberon-class sub that's in drydock in Chatham (and pretty much a museum piece at this point), but I wouldn't swear to it. I might swear at it, though, if it surfaced too close to my rowboat while I was fishing or something.

[Emperor]

I'm redundantly repeating myself again for the umpteenth time, but this is a classic example of why an opt-out policy would be good for Wikipedia - there's no reason why someone who calls himself something as silly as "Chase Me Ladies, I'm the Cavalry" should be dealing with this, or should even be allowed to deal with this, other than to ask this person, "do you want the article deleted, with no chance of it ever being restored while you're alive"? And if the person says "yes," that's it - clean break, end of discussion. Nobody loses, not really. Instead, we get incidents like this one, which only make Wikipedia look even more stupid than it actually is.

Encyc has no BLPs. Let Wikipedia deal with that godawful mess.

[Heat]

Could be worse though. At least he's not eating a cheese sandwich.

Particularly if the cheese sandwich was Photoshopped in later on - that would be terrible!

Can anyone guess where that photo was taken?

It looks a lot like the HMS Ocelot, an Oberon-class sub that's in drydock in Chatham (and pretty much a museum piece at this point), but I wouldn't swear to it. I might swear at it, though, if it surfaced too close to my rowboat while I was fishing or something.

So is this guy really in the Royal Navy or is he a bike messenger with a Walter Mitty streak?

[Milton Roe]

Isn't he dreamy?

I still haven't figured out the need to air out his navel, as he's holding up the shirt to do. I guess this really is navel duty. Wash out the lint, and let 'er air dry at the docks. Oh. Ah.

[A Horse With No Name]

Isn't he dreamy?

I still haven't figured out the need to air out his navel, as he's holding up the shirt to do. I guess this really is navel duty. Wash out the lint, and let 'er air dry at the docks. Oh. Ah.

Well, that Panwyn chick found him amusing -- remember they were editing together on a date?