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> Scibaby, Why so much fear and anguish about this account?
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I just happened upon this note on Raul654's talk page today which might indicate that Raul range blocked some innocent IPs. That led me to this page of investigation into meatpuppetry for an account called "Scibaby". I've noticed that there seems to be great concern among a small group of editors who mainly edit the Global Warming articles about this "Scibaby." What's going on here? Are their fears justified? Are they going overboard in protecting the 'pedia from this "Scibaby?"
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In all this, nobody seems to have looked at the origin of the Scibaby mess. When Raul654 threatened to block me for meat puppetry because I reverted a reversion of his of a new editor on User talk:GoRight, basically a huge flap over nothing, I decided to look. It's a little tricky. I wrote on my Talk page what I found. Proxying_for_banned_users I find it entirely unclear. Reasonable assumption but not proven -- no checkuser -- that Scibaby equals Obedium, but there is another possibility, a shared account that later split. Scibaby was blocked by WMC for sock puppetry, I think in September, 2007, but the alleged sock, Obedium, wasn't blocked until months later. Obedium was blocked for edit warring, but kept on chugging for a while. Deep into December, it looks like Obedium, assuming we trust checkuser, set up a series of socks. It's a natural thing to do when face with tag teaming. But Obdeium had been blocked by Raul654 before the socking was found. At the time, both Raul654 and WMC were clearly involved with Global warming.

The big problem is that a good block by an involved administrator is a bad block, because it is going to be perceived as biased and unfair. A certain percentage of blocked editors are then going to get even. It's become a game, and they learn how to play it, Wikipedia becomes a battlefield, and the involved administrators are just as much treating it that way as the banned editor. (But was Scibaby ever banned? Not per WP:BAN, except under that "nobody is unwilling to unblock theory" which is ban by default." Regardless, the long-term struggle is the result of the ready use of raw power in place of a welcoming consensus and a community that uses blocks and bans as a truly last resort. My guess is that the article wouldn't be *much* different than it is if we actually went for maximized consensus instead of the view of NPOV and UNDUE of the Majority POV-pushers. The majority is a majority for a reason, usually. (Sometimes the majority is wrong, but that's not the norm.) However, it would be far easier to maintain.
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This is not about bovine flatulence.

QUOTE(Abd @ Sat 15th August 2009, 9:01pm) *
The big problem is that a good block by an involved administrator is a bad block, because it is going to be perceived as biased and unfair. A certain percentage of blocked editors are then going to get even. It's become a game, and they learn how to play it, Wikipedia becomes a battlefield, and the involved administrators are just as much treating it that way as the banned editor.

Whether one is playing Parcheesi or Chess, part of the strategy is to block the opponent. Chess is often characterized as a war game, and political battles are often characterized as chess games. What's important about Wikipedia is that the gaming doesn't obey uniform rules. Nor are the so-called rules of the Wikipedia Game applied consistently and systematically by a conscientious and neutral referee who is not also a player in the game.

So Wikipedia is not only a game, it's a profoundly corrupt game in which a primary by-product is systemic injustice.

Injustice gives rise to anger and a rich array of other emotional responses ranging from disillusionment and dismay to disappointment and disgust on the mild end of the response specture. On the not-so-mild end, the responses range toward zany and bizarre dramas that turn WikiCulture into a lunatic opera.
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Cla68   Scibaby  
One   Until recently (that is, until this ANI thread a c...  
Milton Roe   I tend to think that sharing the same POV as a ba...  
Kelly Martin   That just serves to remind me that somebody really...  
Sarcasticidealist   See, that's exactly not what Wikipedia's N...  
Kelly Martin   I think the mistake you're making is in equati...  
One   Here's a log from the Wikipedia admins channe...  
No one of consequence   [quote name='Kelly Martin' post='187711' date='We...  
EricBarbour   If you this this link is me supporting Raul, you d...  
everyking   [quote name='Kelly Martin' post='187711' date='We...  
Angela Kennedy   See, that's exactly not what Wikipedia's ...  
Somey   Has Raul654 come down on one side or the other reg...  
Cla68   Until recently (that is, until [url=http://en.wik...  
EricBarbour   No, check that. I just went through the archives ...  
Abd   I was going to find the applicable case then requ...  
sbrown   I tend to think that sharing the same POV as a ba...  
Kelly Martin   I've always thought that Raul's obsession ...  
Sarcasticidealist   It can't hurt that he has been actively suppre...  
Somey   Global warming deniers aren't quite as cockama...  
Cla68   Global warming deniers aren't quite as cockam...  
dtobias   They always need some bogeymen to get all hysteric...  
Somey   This part of the discussion is interesting, contai...  
tarantino   Has Raul654 come down on one side or the other re...  
Shalom   I just happened upon [url=http://en.wikipedia.org...  
Kato   I've always maintained that Raul is the anti-W...  
Moulton   I've always maintained that Raul is the anti-W...  
Cla68   I've always maintained that Raul is the anti-...  
tarantino   I think Eric's point is valid, in that, why i...  
Kato   Look again at the [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wi...  
Derktar   Look again at the [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/w...  
Somey   Haha, this guy is a devious mastermind! Apropo...  
victim of censorship   [quote name='tarantino' post='188150' date='Fri 7...  
Abd   PS... Raul is a brain damaged, fat greasy slob, w...  
Cla68   I think Eric's point is valid, in that, why ...  
One   I think Eric's point is valid, in that, why ...  
everyking   I think most of Raul's decisions about runnin...  
Cla68   I think most of Raul's decisions about runni...  
Moulton   Why hasn't the arbitration committee told Raul...  
Grep   [quote name='Cla68' post='188135' date='Thu 6th A...  
Kelly Martin   But leading to hilarity at the Abd-William_M._Conn...  
Cla68   [quote name='Grep' post='189544' date='Sat 15th A...  
Kelly Martin   Part of the reason that Pellegrini gets away with ...  
RMHED   Easily the most annoying person I met at Wikimani...  
Kelly Martin   You'll get no dissent from me on the idea that...  
Grep   I looked at the AN/I case where Raul was defending...  
One   Or maybe Scibaby can read ANI?  
Grep   Or maybe Scibaby can read ANI? But how would sh...  
One   Or maybe Scibaby can read ANI? But how would sh...  
Grep   Have you heard of the block log? It's public....  
One   Ah, that's handy. Could you provide the link...  
MZMcBride   [quote name='Grep' post='189591' date='Sat 15th A...  
Kelly Martin   Look, people, Pellegrini is an idiot. We all know...  
everyking   Look, people, Pellegrini is an idiot. We all kno...  
Kelly Martin   He [i]gloats? As far as I can tell, he's like ...  
RMHED   Look, people, Pellegrini is an idiot. We all kno...  
One   Scibaby is an interesting case. If he only used a ...  
One   Thanks for the advice. Both sides of that dispute ...  
Milton Roe   Thanks for the advice. Both sides of that dispute...  
Grep   Thanks for the advice. Both sides of that dispute...  
Abd   Darn it! Long again, and I have to go deal wit...  
InkBlot   Darn it! Long again, and I have to go deal wi...  
Abd   Darn it! Long again, and I have to go deal w...  
InkBlot   Seemed pretty good to me, if you missed anything ...  
Abd   Seemed pretty good to me, if you missed anything...  
InkBlot   Sure. As to the time, if we value our time equall...  
Cla68   Global Warming regular Stephan Schulz just blocked...  
No one of consequence   Global Warming regular Stephan Schulz just blocke...  
Cla68   [quote name='Cla68' post='192912' date='Sun 6th S...  
Moulton   Methane is well-known to be a greenhouse gas, and ...  
One   Yeah, that's his characteristic edit. Scibaby ...  
everyking   Yeah, that's his characteristic edit. Scibaby...  
One   You can't fool me--you're a Scibaby sockp...  
everyking   You can't fool me--you're a Scibaby sock...  


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