Abigor's Meltdown Options

[Ottava]

Everyone knows that Abigor has been majorly wheel warring over images, closing "undeletion" requests in less than 2 hours in order to stifle any discussion, and even blocked me for pointing out that while he claimed he was undeleting only "breast feeding" or "art" images, that he was really undeleting hard core pornography.

However, he has gone even further in intimidation:

1. Edit warring on a user talk page when the user has the right to remove content, especially when they leave:[http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Ottava_Rima&action=history Mine] and Guido's. Note, vvv and Abigor were overturned as acting completely inappropriately and not within policy, but Abigor felt like removing my comments to make it seem one sided. This is classic abuse and bullying.

2. Trying to desysop Tiptoety for using his power appropriately: as you can see here.

3. Then, when it seemed like he would finally be removed in order to stop his consistent bullying and abuse of every single policy we have and his horrible amount of intimidation, he backs down.

4. Then seeks more revenge against Jimbo to taunt him: 1 and 2.

So, he abused his ops very blatantly on IRC, cussed out people calling them a "fucking idiot", and has been rampaging over multiple pages.

Everyone knows he has been abusive on multiple accounts and deceptive, so why is he not yet banned? If Jimbo wants to prove he really has what is best in mind for the project, it is rather simple what the answer here is: ban Abigor, remove any trace of him, and if anyone dared to abuse their power like that again to make sure they are completely removed.

Abigor has shown that anarchists are able to take over and destroy everything in their path. He is doing a more to harm Wikipedia than anything Greg Kohs has ever managed, and I am sure Kohs is sitting there watching with a huge smile on his face.



By the way, what would the media think if they find out that a single admin has defied the WMF authority, blocked, threatened, cussed out, and gone to great lengths to intimidate anyone who dares to remove pornography that is clearly out of scope and has no reason to be on Commons?

For our reputation alone that guy needs to be shown the door and erased from history.

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[Ottava]

By the way, if the WMF or Foundation doesn't restore 100% authority back to Jimbo to block and desysop such people like Abigor, then what effective happened is you replaced one "tyrant" whose reputation is subject to criticism by the press to a system of dozens of petty tyrants who do not fear anything and can terrorize and abuse as many people as they want.

[Guido den Broeder]

His real name is Huib Laurens, he is around 25 years of age IIRC, and reasonably intelligent compared to other wikigoons.

He has previously, in part concurrently, used other handles. Among them, Sterkebak and SterkeBak, with an extensive history of all kinds of problematic behaviour, He also uses a large array of anonymous IP addresses as well which he can easily do as employee of a provider.

Huib has been banned from Wikisage for vandalizing our main page and hacking into our database. He then threatened me with a lawsuit, which of course never happened. Instead, there is a police file on him. Since that time he has been stalking me. He often uses IRC to canvass lesser minds or offend his targets.

At one time he was caught red-handed while he was attacking the nl-wikisage chat channel with bots from a public library, something that he kept up 24/7 for months on end without much success. I identified the IP address and phoned the library, where he was forcibly removed.

The guy went on tilt when he lost his girlfriend several years ago.

To summarize, this is a very sad case of a young man whose emotions tend to get in the way of his abusive behaviour, making him trip over his own feet on a regular basis.

[Ottava]

At one time he was caught red-handed while he was attacking the nl-wikisage chat channel with bots from a public library, something that he kept up 24/7 for months on end without much success. I identified the IP address and phoned the library, where he was forcibly removed.

The guy went on tilt when he lost his girlfriend several years ago.

To summarize, this is a very sad case of a young man whose emotions tend to get in the way of his abusive behaviour, making him trip over his own feet on a regular basis.

I can tell you that he used another IRC name to attack me in PM - it went back to the same server he was on and was by a guy with a clearly spur of the moment name (all caps and the such) that wasn't logged in on chat.

This was while he was calling me a "fucking idiot" and raging through multiple rooms and attacking anyone who disagreed with his abuse.

[Moulton]

Was he wearing a furry animal costume?

[carbuncle]

For our reputation alone that guy needs to be shown the door and erased from history.

Perhaps Adam Cuerden can help you edit him out of all the photographs where he appears with Jimbo.

[Ottava]

For our reputation alone that guy needs to be shown the door and erased from history.

Perhaps Adam Cuerden can help you edit him out of all the photographs where he appears with Jimbo.

Adam's behavior was disgraceful and anything short of desysopping and a 6 month ban would be unacceptable.

[SB_Johnny]

For our reputation alone that guy needs to be shown the door and erased from history.

Perhaps Adam Cuerden can help you edit him out of all the photographs where he appears with Jimbo.

Adam's behavior was disgraceful and anything short of desysopping and a 6 month ban would be unacceptable.

This thread had potential, but should probably be annexed at this point (except maybe Guido's comment).

[Ottava]

For our reputation alone that guy needs to be shown the door and erased from history.

Perhaps Adam Cuerden can help you edit him out of all the photographs where he appears with Jimbo.

Adam's behavior was disgraceful and anything short of desysopping and a 6 month ban would be unacceptable.

This thread had potential, but should probably be annexed at this point (except maybe Guido's comment).

Annexing would make it invisible to outsiders. Effectively, you would be removing any criticism and exposure of clear abuse, things that the media, for instance, would be interested to read about.

[Kelly Martin]

Annexing would make it invisible to outsiders. Effectively, you would be removing any criticism and exposure of clear abuse, things that the media, for instance, would be interested to read about.

Yup, annex or delete; the purpose of Wikipedia Review is absolutely not to facilitate Ottava's personal need for vengeance.

[Somey]

Yup, annex or delete; the purpose of Wikipedia Review is absolutely not to facilitate Ottava's personal need for vengeance.

Done! (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/smile.gif)

Is the Annex not visible to the public? It should be - I'll go check and see what the deal is.

(Two minutes later)

It's visible to the public, but not to Google and other popular search engines. Interesting problem, actually... I suppose we must have decided that deliberately, but I don't remember the specific discussion. (There's a Mods-only thread on it but not much in it about Google, and a few other posts scattered in various places, but nothing conclusive.) Maybe I was distracted with "real life" that week (like I am this week)...?

IMO we should probably discuss it in a bit more detail somewhere. I'd be inclined to make it visible to Google, but I could see why some folks would disagree.

[Ottava]

Yup, annex or delete; the purpose of Wikipedia Review is absolutely not to facilitate Ottava's personal need for vengeance.

Done! (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/smile.gif)

Is the Annex not visible to the public? It should be - I'll go check and see what the deal is.

(Two minutes later)

It's visible to the public, but not to Google and other popular search engines. Interesting problem, actually... I suppose we must have decided that deliberately, but I don't remember the specific discussion. (There's a Mods-only thread on it but not much in it about Google, and a few other posts scattered in various places, but nothing conclusive.) Maybe I was distracted with "real life" that week (like I am this week)...?

IMO we should probably discuss it in a bit more detail somewhere. I'd be inclined to make it visible to Google, but I could see why some folks would disagree.

People without accounts linked to annex threads can't see them, so, that is why I said it wasn't public.

[John Limey]

the purpose of Wikipedia Review is absolutely not to facilitate Ottava's personal need for vengeance.

You certainly could've fooled me.

[Ottava]

Yup, annex or delete; the purpose of Wikipedia Review is absolutely not to facilitate Ottava's personal need for vengeance.

Personal need? He didn't do it to just me. It was already discussed in four different threads. A centralized location is more useful to be on topic. You are just happy that Wiki is in chaos because you just want it to fail out of your own personal need for vengeance.

[Somey]

People without accounts linked to annex threads can't see them...

Huh?

I just logged out, and there it all was in its full glory and splendor. Maybe you're using the word "linked" when you meant to use a different phrase, such as "with internet ISP's who are told vague rumors about things relating"...? (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/unsure.gif)

Bearing in mind, of course, that I personally believe Abigor (T-C-L-K-R-D) to be a menace to all things proper and decent, and that he should therefore be severely chastised.

[Moulton]

I personally believe Abigor (T-C-L-K-R-D) to be a menace to all things proper and decent, and that he should therefore be severely chastised.

Moreover, he should be castigated and ostracized.

[Ottava]

People without accounts linked to annex threads can't see them...

Huh?

I just logged out, and there it all was in its full glory and splendor. Maybe you're using the word "linked" when you meant to use a different phrase, such as "with internet ISP's who are told vague rumors about things relating"...? (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/unsure.gif)

Bearing in mind, of course, that I personally believe Abigor (T-C-L-K-R-D) to be a menace to all things proper and decent, and that he should therefore be severely chastised.

Well, I had someone check today and it was visible for them. I'm not really sure what the deal was - the last time I tried was the Giano/Bishonen thread and people weren't able to see that on the first day after it was in the Annex. I'm not going to begin to ponder what was going on and I'll just be happy that people can see it now.

[Somey]

I'm not really sure what the deal was - the last time I tried was the Giano/Bishonen thread and people weren't able to see that on the first day after it was in the Annex. I'm not going to begin to ponder what was going on and I'll just be happy that people can see it now.

Oh wait, maybe that was the "Annex Tar Pit"...? That one's not visible to the public, but there weren't many threads in it last time I checked.

Getting back to this Abigor person, do you have some good examples of Awfully Abusive Admin Actions (4A) that don't involve you in any way whatsoever? I figure we can ignore the image-tagging warnings on Jimbo's talk page, but you mentioned Tiptoety (T-C-L-K-R-D) , who apparently was trying to remove ("oversight") some porno images so that even admins couldn't see them, causing Abigor to object in rather officious terms. Is Abigor one of those, you know, porn guys? Or does he just not like Tiptoety for some reason?

[thekohser]

Getting back to this Abigor person, do you have some good examples of Awfully Abusive Admin Actions (4A) that don't involve you in any way whatsoever?

He either blocked me or denied an unblock request of mine, on one of the various Wikimedia projects. It's happened to me so often over the past 4 days, I can't remember exactly. I've got Abigor/Huib in the "Bad Guys" column.

Then again, the way he seems to have Ottava in a bunch, Huib may be edging over into my "Hasten The Day support" category.

[Ottava]

I'm not really sure what the deal was - the last time I tried was the Giano/Bishonen thread and people weren't able to see that on the first day after it was in the Annex. I'm not going to begin to ponder what was going on and I'll just be happy that people can see it now.

Oh wait, maybe that was the "Annex Tar Pit"...? That one's not visible to the public, but there weren't many threads in it last time I checked.

Getting back to this Abigor person, do you have some good examples of Awfully Abusive Admin Actions (4A) that don't involve you in any way whatsoever? I figure we can ignore the image-tagging warnings on Jimbo's talk page, but you mentioned Tiptoety (T-C-L-K-R-D) , who apparently was trying to remove ("oversight") some porno images so that even admins couldn't see them, causing Abigor to object in rather officious terms. Is Abigor one of those, you know, porn guys? Or does he just not like Tiptoety for some reason?

He wheel warred against Jimbo while claiming he was only undeleting breast feeding or art images. The images were clearly women masturbating. Lying about your undeletions and closing undeletion pages after less than two hours and with one vote is highly inappropriate.

There was also the abusive treatment of Guido and edit warring on his talk page. Just check Abigor's contribs, there is quite a lot in 24 hours. He took his anger out on everyone he could find.

[Moulton]

He took his anger out on everyone he could find.

I guess he couldn't find me, eh?

[SB_Johnny]

He wheel warred against Jimbo <...blah, blah, blah,...>

Ya know, if you stopped implying that not doing Jimbo's will is inherently a bad thing, people might actually read your posts. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/laugh.gif)

[Ottava]

He wheel warred against Jimbo <...blah, blah, blah,...>

Ya know, if you stopped implying that not doing Jimbo's will is inherently a bad thing, people might actually read your posts. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/laugh.gif)

Clearing out a bunch of porn is something that Jimbo did right. He knew that Wikipedia was being mocked and looked down on over it and he took appropriate action. The trolls who put it up in the first place need to be shown the door.

[SB_Johnny]

He wheel warred against Jimbo <...blah, blah, blah,...>

Ya know, if you stopped implying that not doing Jimbo's will is inherently a bad thing, people might actually read your posts. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/laugh.gif)

Clearing out a bunch of porn is something that Jimbo did right. He knew that Wikipedia was being mocked and looked down on over it and he took appropriate action. The trolls who put it up in the first place need to be shown the door.

And there's that in and out the ears trick again! Amazing! (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/applause.gif)

[Ottava]

He wheel warred against Jimbo <...blah, blah, blah,...>

Ya know, if you stopped implying that not doing Jimbo's will is inherently a bad thing, people might actually read your posts. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/laugh.gif)

Clearing out a bunch of porn is something that Jimbo did right. He knew that Wikipedia was being mocked and looked down on over it and he took appropriate action. The trolls who put it up in the first place need to be shown the door.

And there's that in and out the ears trick again! Amazing! (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/applause.gif)

I judge the individual action, not the person who may have a history of fucking up. A broken clock is right twice a day, so, if you continue to say it is wrong then you will be wrong every once in a while.

[Kelly Martin]

A broken clock is right twice a day, so, if you continue to say it is wrong then you will be wrong every once in a while.

You really aren't going to convince anyone that nothing in my posts is worth reading when you run about plagiarizing them (albeit badly).

[Rick]

Regarding Tiptoety aka Tyler Van Wormer: Oh please. Tyler needs to have his priveleges taken away. He thinks he's so mighty, what with his power on a high number of Wikimedia projects, as well as being a police cadet.

[SB_Johnny]

He wheel warred against Jimbo <...blah, blah, blah,...>

Ya know, if you stopped implying that not doing Jimbo's will is inherently a bad thing, people might actually read your posts. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/laugh.gif)

Clearing out a bunch of porn is something that Jimbo did right. He knew that Wikipedia was being mocked and looked down on over it and he took appropriate action. The trolls who put it up in the first place need to be shown the door.

And there's that in and out the ears trick again! Amazing! (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/applause.gif)

I judge the individual action, not the person who may have a history of fucking up. A broken clock is right twice a day, so, if you continue to say it is wrong then you will be wrong every once in a while.

I didn't actually say you were "wrong", I was just giving you a friendly heads up on why people around here add you to their ignore list (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/wink.gif).

Despite the obvious similarities (e.g., spending years covering up for pedophiles and/or making life easier for pedophiles in order to "keep a good public face"), Jimbo is not the pope. You really don't have any duty to kiss his ring and preach his message on command, you know, much less any likelihood of a reward in the after-wiki-life. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/rolleyes.gif)

[GlassBeadGame]

He wheel warred against Jimbo <...blah, blah, blah,...>

Ya know, if you stopped implying that not doing Jimbo's will is inherently a bad thing, people might actually read your posts. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/laugh.gif)

Clearing out a bunch of porn is something that Jimbo did right. He knew that Wikipedia was being mocked and looked down on over it and he took appropriate action. The trolls who put it up in the first place need to be shown the door.

And there's that in and out the ears trick again! Amazing! (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/applause.gif)

I judge the individual action, not the person who may have a history of fucking up. A broken clock is right twice a day, so, if you continue to say it is wrong then you will be wrong every once in a while.

I didn't actually say you were "wrong", I was just giving you a friendly heads up on why people around here add you to their ignore list (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/wink.gif).

Despite the obvious similarities (e.g., spending years covering up for pedophiles and/or making life easier for pedophiles in order to "keep a good public face"), Jimbo is not the pope. You really don't have any duty to kiss his ring and preach his message on command, you know, much less any likelihood of a reward in the after-wiki-life. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/rolleyes.gif)

While there are a lot of legitimate reasons to blame for Ottava being such an idiot his religion is not one of them.

[SB_Johnny]

While there are a lot of legitimate reasons to blame for Ottava being such an idiot his religion is not one of them.

The catholicism, no. The Jimboism, yes (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/smile.gif).

[Milton Roe]

While there are a lot of legitimate reasons to blame for Ottava being such an idiot his religion is not one of them.

(IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/dry.gif) No? Well, it doesn't seem to be helping any. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/hrmph.gif)

But I suppose you can argue it's a very broad tent, and has a section for every sort. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/wink.gif)

[Ottava]

I didn't actually say you were "wrong", I was just giving you a friendly heads up on why people around here add you to their ignore list (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/wink.gif).

Despite the obvious similarities (e.g., spending years covering up for pedophiles and/or making life easier for pedophiles in order to "keep a good public face"), Jimbo is not the pope. You really don't have any duty to kiss his ring and preach his message on command, you know, much less any likelihood of a reward in the after-wiki-life. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/rolleyes.gif)

Well, I wish more of them would because some of their responses are boring. ;/

By the way, that is a cheap shot. You are putting the wrongs of a few individuals upon others. Your actions on Wikiversity and the problems they caused are not the fault of Wikiversity or any other member.

[GlassBeadGame]

While there are a lot of legitimate reasons to blame for Ottava being such an idiot his religion is not one of them.

The catholicism, no. The Jimboism, yes (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/smile.gif).

Well Ok.

It seems to me that WMF has much to learn form the American and Irish Catholic Churches. The lay leadership in these Churches have overcome historic inertia and loudly insisted upon responsibility. Institutions like the Catholic Church and Boy Scouts, who have learned hard, painful and expensive lessons about child protection should be looked to as resources by WMF. At this point they have implemented rigorous safeguards and practices. But it is just the opposite on WP were the "laity", or the community, are the bulwark of irresponsibility and no child protective measures have been implemented at all. The saddest thing is that we know from these entities and their child victims is that it will take decades for the harm to come to light.

[CharlotteWebb]

I don't really think a group of over 1 billion people are a "minority" or that people who have the ability to wage war all over the Middle East and fly three planes into US buildings are powerless.

By the way, that is a cheap shot. You are putting the wrongs of a few individuals upon others.

[Ottava]

I don't really think a group of over 1 billion people are a "minority" or that people who have the ability to wage war all over the Middle East and fly three planes into US buildings are powerless.

By the way, that is a cheap shot. You are putting the wrongs of a few individuals upon others.

I never said that the three minorities reflected the billion people. I stated that they were not weak and powerless on either account. Now, if you want to say that my stating Muslims are not an oppressed minority is comparable to someone saying a few pedophilic priests mean that all 1.6 billion Catholics are evil, then that is absurd.

[Cock-up-over-conspiracy]

And there's that in and out the ears trick again! Amazing! (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/applause.gif)

Ottava, I do not know you, we have never crossed swords and I have never said a bad word about you, we operate in different spheres ...

But I do wish you would

a) stay 'on topic', and
b) stop making quoting multiple quotes 4 or 5 deep every time you reply ... why should anyone have to scroll 8" to read something off topic or get to the next post.

Please look at the title at the top of the page and learn how to edit off your replies. Thank you.

Abigor is 'everywikipedian'. The solution is locking them and their effluence all up in a private world where they do not poison ours.

[Ottava]

a) stay 'on topic', and
b) stop making quoting multiple quotes 4 or 5 deep every time you reply ... why should anyone have to scroll 8" to read something off topic or get to the next post.

o.O

The most amount of quotes in quotes I have done is this and that was four. That was one time. Most are a quote and I cut out most (and I have gotten flack for trimming).

[CharlotteWebb]

I never said that the three minorities reflected the billion people. I stated that they were not weak and powerless on either account.

So generalizing from a small sample is cool as long as you put a minty-fresh positive spin on it?

I'll have to try that. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/dry.gif)

[Ottava]

I never said that the three minorities reflected the billion people. I stated that they were not weak and powerless on either account.

So generalizing from a small sample is cool as long as you put a minty-fresh positive spin on it?

I'll have to try that. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/dry.gif)

Well, which is racist: Asians are smart or black people are lazy? Obviously, both are generalizations and stereotypes. However, one is positive and the other is not. It is just human nature to side with it being okay to generalize to the positive but not to the negative.

[CharlotteWebb]

Well, which is racist: Asians are smart or black people are lazy? Obviously, both are generalizations and stereotypes. However, one is positive and the other is not. It is just human nature to side with it being okay to generalize to the positive but not to the negative.

To achieve a comparable level of culture-baiting you might explain how Seung-Hui Cho, for example, was a true fucking genius.