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December 24, 2006

Dear Sarah:

I am looking for a Florida-based attorney to negotiate with the Wikimedia Foundation to take down my biography. If this fails, I plan to file an invasion-of-privacy lawsuit against the Foundation. Considering the fact that all the Talk pages are also made available to the search engines, I may include a defamation-of-character complaint in the suit. My main interest in litigation is to establish in a Florida court that Section 230 of the U.S. Communications Decency Act does not provide immunity to the Foundation, due to the fact that the Foundation's entire structure is designed to moderate the content on Wikipedia. I will argue that because of this, the Foundation functions as a publisher rather than a service provider. Only service providers are immune under Section 230.

I appreciate the fact that you supported my request to delete the article in October 2005, after we worked on it for a week and were unable to reach agreement. You warned me that you lacked the power to make the deletion stick, if some other administrators disagreed. This is exactly what happened.

I also appreciate your support of Linuxbeak's effort in December 2005 to move the content into other relevant articles on Wikipedia, so that most of the content would still exist, but not be featured in one Wikipedia article under my name. This effort was one that Linuxbeak and I agreed to at the time, but which failed due to a lack of support. I deleted hivemind.html as Linuxbeak made his effort, but then restored it when his effort failed. As you can see, the hivemind.html page is much larger now and also has small photos of most of the perpetrators.

The last meaningful AfD on my bio was concluded on April 9, 2006. Now I am asking you to initiate another AfD. This is something only a major administrator can do, because minor administrators will intervene on the grounds of "Speedy Keep."

I believe that one last meaningful AfD for my biography is warranted before this issue escalates further, and I hope you agree with me. If the article gets deleted, I will take down the hivemind.html page on www.wikipedia-watch.org (but not the hive2.html page), and will also take down the findchat.html page, the 1,545 chat log files that are linked from there, and the chat search engine.


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Anthere says at http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/found...ary/027499.html
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I'll tell you three secrets, just do not repeat them. First, we are beginning to oil the wheels to find someone to be the new CTO in the long run. Second, Mark, Brion etc... pretty much manage their own business between themselves well. By large, Tim reports to Brion right now, and all is well. Third, Brion is not a report man... he is Brion. On the tech side, the most urgent things we can be facing in the next three months really, are much more related to hardware, hosting, network, insurance, contracts... in large part Mark realm (along with JeLuF, Domas, Rob etc...). [emphasis added]

From the context it seems that Anthere is more concerned with property insurance for their servers. What's the problem here? Do they expect God to smite their servers with a lightening bolt? I'm sure this won't happen, because God must realize by now that this would merely generate a negative biography on Himself, written by anonymous teenagers.

They don't need property insurance. What they really need is liability insurance for the Foundation and its officers and directors. I always thought one of the main duties of a general counsel was to keep the Foundation and its directors and officers from getting sued. If that's true, Brad hasn't been doing his job. He has never communicated with me in any sort of effort to negotiate my objections to Wikipedia.
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QUOTE(Daniel Brandt @ Mon 5th February 2007, 7:00pm) *
I always thought one of the main duties of a general counsel was to keep the Foundation and its directors and officers from getting sued. If that's true, Brad hasn't been doing his job.

Well, that's probably because he's been the Interim Executive Director for several months - wearing all those hats must've been difficult. Now that he's back to concentrating exclusively on his role as General Counsel, he'll be able to go back to working full-time on failing to keep the Foundation and its directors and officers from getting sued.

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Well the saga continues. And no conspiracy would be genuine unless Allen Dullas and the Bush family fortune were somehow involved.

Ken Myers, aka User:KSM10 is the author of Wikimmunity: Fitting the Communications Decency Act to Wikipedia, presented at the August 2006 Wikimania conference, and appears to be an influentional take on the various legal issues regarding Wikipedia and Sec 230. Myers bio says he "is a recent graduate of Harvard Law School and will be joining Sullivan & Cromwell New York as an associate in the fall (of 2006)."

Who is Sullivan & Cromwell? Prescott Bush and Union Banking were clients of Allen Dullas and Sullivan & Cromwell. Wikipedia is now the source for the information how the Bush family fortune being derived from Nazi's originated with a group aligned with Holocaust denial. (Wikien-1)

So as the Foundation establishes the position of General Counsel and builds the Legal Department, it's now patently obvious they are looking to advice from an associate of the law firm which, according to John Loftus, participated in money laundering for the Nazi's.

Where will all end?

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QUOTE(nobs @ Tue 6th February 2007, 11:53am) *

Who is Sullivan & Cromwell?
Of more concern to me is the fact that Sullivan & Cromwell is one of Microsoft's main litigation firms, notably defending them in the (many) anti-trust suits. <stifles grin> Now where did I put that tinfoil hat?

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Outline of malicious intent

( a ) SlimVirgin said on 00:19, 7 January 2005,
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I kept Daniel Brandt [in the Chip Berlet#Criticism subsection], not because I feel he's a credible source, but because there's so little published criticism of Berlet, that I felt I had to retain something.
( b ) SlimVirgin made references to "malice" and protecting Wikipedia in two instances prior; once in the Rangerdude case, and again in the Nobs01 case, Statement by SlimVirgin
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Now Nobs01, who often edits with Rangerdude, is inserting that Chip was closely associated with "defender[s] of terrorism," and has made comments that look like threats, implying that if we don't retain the material, he'll insert even worse, which again raises the issue of malice.
Nobs01 served notice and requested SlimVirgin to withdraw the language (Discussion retreived from User talk:SlimVirgin/archive21) and Proposed wording to amend her Statement.

( c ) SlimVirgin created the Daniel Brandt article prior to publicly stating, “not because I feel he's a credible source”.

( d ) SlimVirgin altered the text of Wikipedia Official Policy, Reliable sources, to read,
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...widely acknowledged extremist views....may be used... only...as sources about themselves...
prior to SlimVirgin’s action on 28 September 2005 when she created the Daniel Brandt article.

( e ) SlimVirgin created the Daniel Brandt article on 28 September with the intent that Brandt, and the organization he works for, could not be considered a “credible source” for criticism of Chip Berlet.

( f ) The sourcing for criticism of Brandt (then and now) violates Wikipedia Official Policy.

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