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Blankity Blank : Boiler Plates

Some things, apparently — no matter how reluctantly — bear repeating, but I just can't bear trying to work up the creativity to find new ways of saying them anymore, so read my ellipsis …

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On Accountability

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QUOTE(Jonny Cache @ Mon 18th February 2008, 11:43pm) *

There is no right of anonymous speech.

Wikipediots need to get out of that Wikipedia Romper Room and spend some time in the Real World.

People allow pseudonyms in AA meetings and internet chat rooms, but if the members of that AA group or chat room start publishing a newspaper that impacts on anyone's real life, in or out of the group, then they abandon that courtesy once and for all.


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QUOTE(Jonny Cache @ Wed 19th March 2008, 9:26pm) *

Try to get this straight —
  1. If you insist on having an impact on another person's life — by word or by deed — then the person so impacted is going to ask Who Said That or Who Did That, and you have made it that person's business to find out.
  2. People who live in the Real World do not use the words Harass or Stalk to describe an inquiry into the facts of the matter regarding Who Said That or Who Did That.
  3. There are many situations under which the facts of the matter regarding Who Said That or Who Did That are None Of Your Damn Business, and people are quite right to tell you so.
  4. But — and it's a BIG BUTGOTO 1.



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On Credit Where Credit Is Due

Diplomatic Reminder

QUOTE(Jonny Cache @ Wed 19th March 2008, 10:04pm) *

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The Obligation To Give Due Credit Inheres In The Use, You Φreaking Illiterate Two-Year Old Morons !!!



Industrial Strength

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"The Obligation To Give Due Credit Inheres In The Use, You Φreaking Illiterate Two-Year Old Morons !!!" (J.Z. Guy, 2008).

Guy, Just Zis (2008), Mein Kampf, Wikipedia Plagiarism Φactory Punlications, Jimbo Wales (series ed.), Φloating Crap Game, Kalifornica.



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The deliberate destruction and distortion of records for the purpose of disguising plagiarism amounts to a conscious, concerted, collective effort to conceal the facts of who is using whose work. Condoning plagiarism and counseling people to commit further offenses only compounds the original offense, and the fact that Wikipediot Administrators lack the common sense and the grade-school education to know this right off is proof positive of their abject lack of ethical standards.



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On Reciprocity : The Golden Rule

The Fatted λ Abstraction

QUOTE(Jonny Cache @ Fri 21st March 2008, 2:00am) *

The Names Have Been Blanked To Abstract The Lesson:

QUOTE(Random832 @ Thu 20th March 2008, 11:50pm) *

And maybe it'll snap _____ out of the fantasy world he lives in where no-one uses the information he publishes for any evil purposes.


Just Exactly Who Is The Biggest Blank On The Block?



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On Dunder And Blixem

Wikipedia is irresponsible journalism and irresponsible scholarship

It begins with "editors" giving false names. It continues with influence peddling, organized plagiarism, and the stubborn persistence of false information. It ends with "administrators" bearing false witness against those who criticize it.

People who enter the Wikipedia compound and persist in asking the kinds of questions that responsible journalists and responsible scholars are just naturally bound to ask — they will find that their days in good favor are numbered, unless, of course they stop asking those questions and just "assume good faith".

If professional journalists and scholars don't start doing their jobs, and this means doing a whole lot more than duping Wikipediot Articles of Faith and recycling Wikipediot PR, then WikiPundits will soon be putting them out of those jobs.

So watch out for that …

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Assorted Blog Comments

I am finding that each new blog I run across recycles pretty much the same old hash of clueless twitterings from Wikipediot Press Releases and P-Mis-R, so why should I waste any creativity on them, either — does a rhetorical question need to end with a question mark? At any rate — and you know it'll be slow — I'll collect a number of my more scintillating blog comments here in hopes of recycling them into ever more focused laser beams of simply irresistible wit and e-lightenment.

QUOTE(Jonny Cache @ Tue 18th December 2007, 10:14am) *

Read 'Em And Weep : Myths To Cry By

It may be necessary to create a separate thread for it eventually, but I'd like to start a dynamic page or two for collecting real-life examples of fond notions about Wikipedia that one finds are still being chanted like mindless mantras in the more clueless corners of the blogosphere. When we have done that, maybe we can begin a more systematic deconstruction of how they diverge from the reality of Wikipedia.



Links For Later Development —

Chronicle : Wired Campus ¤ Wikipedia's Founder Says the Site Has a Place in Academe

QUOTE(Jon Awbrey @ 07 Dec 2007 UTC 15:23)

Your assertion-in-passing about “the online encyclopedia’s efforts to improve the quality of its articles” could do with a modicum of the proverbial “further research”.

One resource for that task, staffed by knowledgeable, if occasionally Rabelaisian, in-&-out-siders, is The Wikipedia Review.


QUOTE(Jon Awbrey @ 08 Dec 2007 UTC 23:28)

Too much commentary on what students learn from Wikipedia stops with the content of articles and fails to examine what students learn from participating in the culture of Wikipedia.

Educators know that education is as much about process as it is about product. They understand that students “learn by doing”, by taking part in communities of practice. What do students learn by playing the Wikipedia online game? Answers to that question can be gleaned from those who have participated in the full range of Wikipedia activities and seen how it really operates beneath the surface. Those who wish to learn more, while escaping the troubles of personal participation, may sample the narratives and the occasional critical reflection that one finds at The Wikipedia Review.


QUOTE(Jon Awbrey @ 10 Dec 2007 UTC 09:58)

The effects of using Wikipedia as a source of information is a research question.

The effects of participating more broadly in Wikipedian activities, from the editing game to the policy-making game, is another research question.

Even a bad source of information and a bad guide to the norms of research methodology can “up the ante on critical thinking and information literacy” — if the user is capable of reflecting on its deficiencies.

Whether Wikipedia helps or hinders the user in gaining that capacity is yet another research question.


QUOTE(Jon Awbrey @ 11 Dec 2007 UTC 15:39)

From Wikipedia Review : Guide to Wikipedia for Reporters and Researchers

Educators are aware that learners have many different paths to knowledge. Among the most obvious are these:
  1. Learning by being told.
  2. Learning by doing things for oneself.
  3. Learning by watching what others do.
What do people learn from participating in the full range of activities provided by the Wikipedia website, considered with regard to each of these modes?

Some of the questions that educational researchers would naturally think to ask about the Wikipedia experience are these:
  1. What do people learn about the ethical norms of journalism, research, and scholarship?
  2. What do people learn about the intellectual norms of journalism, research, and scholarship?
For example, questions that one might ask under the indicated headings are these:

{1 b} «What do people learn about the relative values of primary and secondary sources from reading the relevant policy pages in Wikipedia?»

{3 a} «What do people learn about plagiarism from watching what others do in Wikipedia?»


Chronicle : Wired Campus ¤ Can Google's New Open Encyclopedia Best Wikipedia?

QUOTE(Jon Awbrey @ 18 Dec 2007 UTC 00:39)

The notion that “Wikipedia works by letting everyone write articles that are then often corrected by experts” is sadly out of keeping with the reality of Wikipedia, where articles created by knowledgeable authors are more likely to be degraded over time by hordes of inept users and power-tripping administrators who neither know nor care anything about the subject matters in question.


Dan Colman : OpenCulture ¤ Betting Against Google’s Answer to Wikipedia

QUOTE(Jon Awbrey @ 17 Dec 2007 PST 22:28)

The notion that “a community of writers focusing on the same text will correct one another and improve the overall product over time” or that “the final text becomes greater than the sum of its authors” is sadly out of keeping with the reality of Wikipedia, where articles created by knowledgeable authors are more likely to be degraded over time by hordes of inept users and power-tripping administrators who neither know nor care anything about the subject matters in question.



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On Education

This Is Your Education On Wikipedia

What are the effects of the Wikipedia environment on the critical thinking, information literacy, and research skills of its participants?

Too much commentary on what students learn from Wikipedia stops with the content of articles and fails to examine what students learn from participating in the culture of Wikipedia.

Educators know that education is as much about process as it is about product. They understand that students “learn by doing”, by taking part in communities of practice. What do students learn by playing the Wikipedia online game? Answers to that question can be gleaned from those who have participated in the full range of Wikipedia activities and seen how it really operates beneath the surface. Those who wish to learn more, while escaping the troubles of personal participation, may sample the narratives and the occasional critical reflection that one finds at The Wikipedia Review.

The effects of using Wikipedia as a source of information is a research question.

The effects of participating more broadly in Wikipedian activities, from the editing game to the policy-making game, is another research question.

Even a bad source of information and a bad guide to the norms of research methodology can “up the ante on critical thinking and information literacy” — if the user is capable of reflecting on its deficiencies.

Whether Wikipedia helps or hinders the user in gaining that capacity is yet another research question.

Educators are aware that learners have many different paths to knowledge. Among the most obvious are these:
  1. Learning by being told.
  2. Learning by doing things for oneself.
  3. Learning by watching what others do.
What do people learn from participating in the full range of activities provided by the Wikipedia website, considered with regard to each of these modes?

Some of the questions that educational researchers would naturally think to ask about the Wikipedia experience are these:
  1. What do people learn about the ethical norms of journalism, research, and scholarship?
  2. What do people learn about the intellectual norms of journalism, research, and scholarship?
For example, questions that one might ask under the indicated headings are these:
  • {1 b} What do people learn about the relative values of primary and secondary sources from reading the relevant policy pages in Wikipedia?
  • {3 a} What do people learn about plagiarism from watching what others do in Wikipedia?
See Wikipedia Review : Guide to Wikipedia for Reporters and Researchers for ongoing discussion.

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On Words And Their Meanings

Draft In Progress (DIP) —

Those of us who spend a lot of time Talking To Wikipedians know they have a habit of divorcing words from the meanings the rest of us know and love. Words like accuracy, balance, civility, community, consensus, due process, good faith, neutral, open, transparent, and pretty much anything else they find a need to use in their special way.

To Be Continued …

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On Plagiarism

I recognize that many people of good will — if not exactly good information — may be surprised that Wikipedia Leadership actively counsels and encourages plagiarism along with its other deceptive practices. I will therefore reserve this space to document the examples of false counsel that come from this quarter.

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QUOTE(Viridae @ Wed 19th March 2008, 5:43am) *

The point, I believe, is to stop any of Amorrows new edits lasting in the form he added them. That doesn't stop others adding the exact same information in their own words. (indeed writing it in his words without indicating the source would be a GDFL vio).

— "Viridae", Wikipedia Administrator



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Of Amateurs And Amateur-Asters

Essay 1

QUOTE(Jonny Cache @ Tue 2nd October 2007, 11:24pm) *

I confess that I have read only snippets of what Dawkins and Keen have said about amateurism in Wikipedia, but just from that sample there is something about it that doesn't quite ring true.

I think that it's this. Amateurs are not the dominant force in Wikipedia — amateurs are people who engage in a skilled activity for the pure love of doing it. I am such an amateur in many areas that I've studied as an avocation for decades, but my love of the subject draws me on to learn ever more about it, even when I can't get paid for it. I don't see many people like that in Wikipedia. At any rate, true amateurs like that seem to end up as the same kind of road-kill as experts and professionals, the common factor being that they are people who genuinely care about their chosen subjects.

There is some other motive that drives the dominant culture in Wikipedia that has nothing to do with loving a given subject area. There are those who evidently love exerting their will to power over a topic that they neither know nor love for its own sake. There are those who get their jollies from bashing another person over the head. But I do not count that as being the same thing at all.

What Wikipedia has spawned is a whole new species of sub-amateurs, even anti-amateurs. They are fighters not lovers.

And it shows …

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Essay 2

QUOTE(Jon Awbrey @ Sun 6th April 2008, 9:46pm) *

That whole bit about the Cult Of The Amateur (COTA) has always been a mis-diagnosis of What's Wrong With Wikipedia (WWWW). Amateurs are, by definition and etymology, people who pursue a skilled activity purely for the love of doing it — those of you who are old enough to remember when the Olympics were for amateurs may know what I mean. Nothing about being an amateur says that you have to be an abject klutz at what you do, or despise people adept and lucky enough to get paid for doing it, or envy those with more experience and skill so badly that you refuse to learn what they know, or obstruct people from contributing in areas that you never bothered to learn about.

No, Wikipedia is the Cult Of The Incompetent (COTI), and the only way they know to make themselves feel better about their own dim place in the Sum Of Knowledge is by banning those who might teach them something.

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What can I say — grate minds think alike.

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QUOTE(Jon Awbrey @ Sun 20th April 2008, 5:26pm) *

Just in case someone gets the wrong idea, let me make the following things clear:
  • I have not made any other person my agent to speak or act for me.
  • I have no intention of entering into any private negotiations or personal arrangements with any representatives of Wikipedia Management.
  • I am not asking Wikipedia Management for any personal favors, nor do I have any interest in cutting any private deals with agents of Wikipedia Management.
Experience has taught me that I need to say these things because Wikipediot agents have a persistent habit of pretending to hear you consent to things that you never consented to.

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It's Not Just A River In Paris, Texas

QUOTE(Daniel Brandt @ Mon 28th April 2008, 2:54pm) *

Are you insane? I have 120 real names on Hivemind. There are 263,487 biographies of living people on Wikipedia. The typical BLP article on Wikipedia gives more info than I give for each name on Hivemind. Wikipedia lets any anonymous idiot waltz in and play with their articles. No one is allowed to play with Hivemind. Why are you more worried about Hivemind than about your own participation on Wikipedia? Are you insane?


And The Reign, It Gets In-Seine-Er Every Day

QUOTE(Daniel Brandt @ Tue 6th May 2008, 2:33pm) *

QUOTE(Jon Awbrey @ Tue 6th May 2008, 11:28am) *

Could you update us on the current Hivemind stats?


Hivemind: 73
Oldhive (which was down for the last 12 months and linked from the bottom of Hivemind only last week): 58

A dozen or two names appear on both pages, which means they've been counted twice. I don't know how many exactly — you can check the username for each Oldhive entry and see if it is in the index on Hivemind. I should add that while the Oldhive page is historical, with dates indicated, and is therefore an "evergreen" page, many of the names on Hivemind were deleted because they are no longer active on Wikipedia, or no longer seemed interesting. There is tremendous turnover among Wikipedia editors for some reason.



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Anonymous Bosch

QUOTE(JohnA @ Wed 30th April 2008, 2:55am) *

It so happens that Brandt is an excellent poker player with a mediocre hand. Wikipedia thought that it could ignore external realities, and Daniel Brandt is showing them that they can't.

You miss the point WW. The anonymity of WP Admins is precisely the criticism that is frequently made: that admins have power to fuck over other people's lives while screaming blue murder when their privacy is threatened. It doesn't wash anymore.

There's a larger problem not noticed by NewYorkBrad or Doc Glasgow or practically anybody else: If Wikipedia is so wonderful a project why does nearly everyone in positions of power insist on anonymity?

If I worked for the Encyclopedia Britannica as an editor or author then I'd put it front and center on my resume. I'd tell prospective clients and customers. I'd tell my family about it. I'd tell my former teachers. I'd put it on my weblog under my real name. I'd do this knowing that EB would stand right behind me to check and validate my scholarship against allcomers.

What is it about Wikipedia that causes the exact opposite psychological response? Because editing and adminning Wikipedia is nothing to be proud of, because Wikipedia is an affront to education, to scholarship and to the Enlightenment that spawned the notions of universal education from which the encyclopedic nostrum began.

Because to be associated with Wikipedia is not to be associated with some high moral principle but the very opposite — of the promotion of venality, political power games, historical revisionism, moral and intellectual cowardice, and the promotion of the notion that a confluence the opinions of ignoramuses constitutes an eventual path to Truth.

There is a reason why neither NewYorkBrad nor DocGlasgow put their names to Wikipedia — because Wikipedia is a source of shame. That's why they are so upset with Daniel Brandt for outing NYB. Because NYB doesn't want his family or his partners to be soiled with the terminal stench that Wikipedia is to the Internet. The problem isn't Brandt — the problem has to do with why NYB wouldn't put his name on Wikipedia in the first place.

So what we have in psychological terms is called Projection. Because Wikipedia is an affront, anyone who associates my real life with Wikipedia must be an affront as well.


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On Chatterbrains

QUOTE(Jon Awbrey @ Tue 6th May 2008, 10:58am) *

Wikipedia is a Chat Room whose Chatters keep Chat Files on stuff.

We probably can't stop the Chatters of the Wikipedia Chat Room from keeping Chat Files on a whole lotta stuff, so long as the Chatters of the Wikipedia Chat Room plead The Right Of Free Speech (TROFS).

(Never mind that Pleading TROFS contradicts what some of the Chatters have put in the Chat File they call "WPISNOT" — after all, there is nothing that says that any of the Chatters in any Chat Room have to obey any of the stuff that any of the Chatters put in any of the Chat Files.)

However, there is a Slim Chance of keeping the Chatters from keeping Chat Files on Living People, at least, in such a way that their Chatter shows up at the top of Internet Search Engine Yields (ISEYs).

So we're working on that for the moment.

I hope that clears up some of the Chatter.

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What ŒΔΙΘΙΣ Said To The ΦΙΝΧ

The only thing I've learned from this Niche of the Web over the past four years is that you can't have intelligent discussions with Anonymous Cowards.

No matter how innocent the use of a pseudonym may seem at first, it is like a rancid bandage too long plastered over a gangrenous wound and too long unchanged to serve its original remedial purpose, hiding a hole in the soul where all the pus of deep unconscious infection abscesses and swells, until the whole festering fistula eventually undermines the integrity and intellect of even the most well-intentioned person.

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Anonymous Authority

For eight years now Wikipediots have been campaigning for the Public to grant them privileges that no one has had for a very long time — privileges that democratic societies long ago took back from the aristocrats who used to rule them before they took a notion to become democratic societies.

It ain't gonna happen, but like a lot of other things they are ignorant of, Wikipediots don't know that yet.

Public protests and publicity stunts are not forbidden as ways of trying to get what you want, but Wikipediots remain blitzfully unaware that no one but no one in the Real World is going to buy their argument that they should be accorded the unaccountable brand of anonymous authority they seem to think is due them.

Only Wikipediots are dumb enough to buy that argument.

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Educational Impact Statement

The educational impact of the Wikipedia game is found mainly in the playin', not in the paintball pointillism that makes up its article content. The articles are just so much shrubbery that the players hide behind as they play The Wikipedia Action Game (TWAG)™.

Educators need to start asking themselves:
  • What are the habits of citizenship and scholarship that students acquire by playing TWAG?
Note. I'll keep working on this précis until I find the right place to zing it.

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Caching A Copy Here For Future Recycling —

Response to the Question : Is Anonymity Good Or Bad For Wikipedia?

QUOTE(Jon Awbrey @ 20 Aug 2008, @ 6:20pm California Time)

The Question Is Whether WP's Irresponsibility Is Good For Society

I'm tempted to say "'Nuff Said", but maybe a bit of e-laboration wouldn't be out of place.

The question that people ought to be asking is not whether anonymity is good for Wikipedia, but whether Wikipedia's anonymity is good for Society.

Wikipedia is a place for social, moral, and intellectual adolescents, for people who haven't yet taken the step to a level of maturity where they naturally choose to take responsibility — for what they write and for how they treat other people.

There are plenty of reasons for having low pressure environments where people can escape, temporarily, from the pressures of full-fledged adult responsibility, so long as they can do that in a way that harms neither themselves nor others. That is why we have chat-rooms and holodecks. But a general purpose, wannabe reliable encyclopedia and all-round news source is not one of those places. Sadly, all too sadly, far too many Wikipediots have yet to learn the difference. Whether they know it or not, Wikipedia space cadets harm both themselves and others by staying too long in the moral and intellectual vacuum known as Wikipedia.

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On Scientism

QUOTE(Jon Awbrey @ Wed 17th September 2008, 9:26am) *

The phenomenon of scientism is one of those topics that falls within the study of inquiry, so it is something that I had been examining long before I ever encountered its manifestations among certain cabals of Wikipediots.

Now, the very few articles on politics or religion or their surrounding arenas of discussion that I ever visited in Wikiputia were enough to tell me that no good could ever come of the unsound wiki-φury I found there, so I never ran into what some folks call the ID Cabal in all its full array and greater glory, but I do know the type from elsewhere in Wikipedia and from long acquaintance elsewhere in the real world.

There are people who know what scientific inquiry really demands of one who would live a life of inquiry, and there are people who worship the Flash-Frozen Idols Of Science for the same reason that these same people would have worshipped this or that ecclesiastical power in former times, to wit, or not, simply because it's the Biggest Bully On The Block at the present time. These fairweather friends of shiny science will desert science-in-the-rough just as soon as the going gets tough.

In case you hadn't noticed, the going is beginning to get tough …

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In Search Of Lost Time

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5 Ways You Can Help Your Wikipedia Review
  1. Scour the search engines for interesting blog posts or news articles on Wikipedia that our bots may have missed. There are often online pieces that pass this site by. If you find anything of interest, add it to the appropriate forum.
  2. Register on digg.com. If an article out there on Wikipedia criticism catches your eye, then digg.com it. The Wikipedia Review has a digg.com account and you can scan through the list of articles dugg by that account if you wish. You can also digg The Review's own editorials if you like them, as they come up, to give other readers an opportunity to discover them.
  3. Browse through The Review's vast back catalog for thoughtful or plain interesting stand-alone posts that could be future Wikipedia Review editorials. It doesn't matter how old the posts are, nor even whether they are embedded within a thread or the lead post in a thread. Just identify posts you like and pass them on to Somey or a moderator. Also, keep an eye on new posts. If anything is particularly eye catching, make it known.
  4. Spend some time working on an editorial of your own. If you'd like to make a point about something important, it may be worth taking that bit of extra time to get it right. When you've got something you are happy with, pass it on to Somey or a moderator, who can add a bit of mark-up if needed.
  5. Make comments on external articles. If you come across an article that makes an astute point about Wikipedia, or carries something you disagree with, make sure they know about it in their comment section. Direct them back here if you wish. Thekohsher is the demon of the post article comments section. If you want to make a comment yourself, you'll probably find him already there! Join him!

Really now, why bother?

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Looking back over the time since these suggestions were posted, I can say that I have tried at least a couple of these strategies, but I continue to experience a sense of futility about the future of The Wikipedia Review, especially when it comes to the quality of the criticism exercised here.

As a person who hardly ever bothered with the usual brands of e-journalism on the web, it took me a while to develop a style for commenting on blogs that seemed to work fairly well, and I posted a lot of links back to WR in the process. Frankly, though, I frequently end up kicking myself for having issued such invitations under my real name. Posting a link back to the Review is the kind of act that induces me to view this place as it might be seen with the eyes of others — and a large percentage of the time I am honestly embarrassed by the level of discussion that I find myself seeing here from that perspective.

The Meta-Discussion Forum looked like it might be a way to retrospect on the Review's back catalog and, more importantly, to look beyond the spellbound delusion of so many observers that Wikipedia is The Only Game In Town. But the condition of paralysis and transfixation is far too refractory for a small number of critical reflectors to break.

I would have to say that 95% of the discussion at The Wikipedia Review conveys no information, much less insight. Most of it consists of the same population of infantile minds that we find at Wikipedia repeating the same infantile fantasies that we find there. Most of the messages that pass for concrete data and news of the day are completely predictable on general principles already well-established — for instance, the rule that Every Abuse That Can Occur Does Occur (EATCODO). Indeed, many participants who I once regarded as having some modicum of insight into the social phenomena and the systematic problems presented by Wikipedia appear to be undergoing a regression into cluelessness.

Not a pretty picture but, I think, an accurate one.

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