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Wikitaka
post Sun 25th March 2012, 10:39am
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For no reason, Xavexgoem protected the Muhammad RFC "to avoid SPIs", which is not a valid reason for semi-protection.

What else does Xavexgoem have on his record?
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post Sun 25th March 2012, 11:18am
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QUOTE(Wikitaka @ Sun 25th March 2012, 10:39am) *

For no reason, Xavexgoem protected the Muhammad RFC "to avoid SPIs", which is not a valid reason for semi-protection.

What else does Xavexgoem have on his record?


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QUOTE(Wikitaka @ Sun 25th March 2012, 6:39am) *

For no reason, Xavexgoem protected the Muhammad RFC "to avoid SPIs", which is not a valid reason for semi-protection.

What else does Xavexgoem have on his record?


It has nothing to do with Xavexgoem.

The WMF controversial content study recommended that the image discussion be limited to registered users, as the subject area has had a history of insipid "REMOVE IMAGES THEY OFFEND MEEEEEEE!" retardation from IPs and single-purpose-accounts over the years.
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QUOTE(Tarc @ Sun 25th March 2012, 1:01pm) *

QUOTE(Wikitaka @ Sun 25th March 2012, 6:39am) *

For no reason, Xavexgoem protected the Muhammad RFC "to avoid SPIs", which is not a valid reason for semi-protection.

What else does Xavexgoem have on his record?


It has nothing to do with Xavexgoem.

The WMF controversial content study recommended that the image discussion be limited to registered users, as the subject area has had a history of insipid "REMOVE IMAGES THEY OFFEND MEEEEEEE!" retardation from IPs and single-purpose-accounts over the years.


In any case they can always register and wait the 5 days. The RFC isn't over until April 19th.

One thing I do find surprising, especially with regard to the arguments for hat notes and collapsing what-nots, is that no-one has hit on the fact that the problem isn't with Moslems seeing the images, it's the fact that they are there and they exist, regardless of whether they can see them or not.

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post Sun 25th March 2012, 1:26pm
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QUOTE(Web Fred @ Sun 25th March 2012, 9:14am) *

QUOTE(Tarc @ Sun 25th March 2012, 1:01pm) *

QUOTE(Wikitaka @ Sun 25th March 2012, 6:39am) *

For no reason, Xavexgoem protected the Muhammad RFC "to avoid SPIs", which is not a valid reason for semi-protection.

What else does Xavexgoem have on his record?


It has nothing to do with Xavexgoem.

The WMF controversial content study recommended that the image discussion be limited to registered users, as the subject area has had a history of insipid "REMOVE IMAGES THEY OFFEND MEEEEEEE!" retardation from IPs and single-purpose-accounts over the years.


In any case they can always register and wait the 5 days. The RFC isn't over until April 19th.


I think you have to have 10 edits as well, but those can just be 10 garbage adds and reverts to userspace, even. The bar is low to be allowed to edit semi-prot articles, but it keeps out the bulk of the clueless riff-raff.

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One thing I do find surprising, especially with regard to the arguments for hat notes and collapsing what-nots, is that no-one has hit on the fact that the problem isn't with Moslems seeing the images, it's the fact that they are there and they exist, regardless of whether they can see them or not.


True, there will always be protests that the images exist in any for whatsoever. There's also Muslims whose opposition just registers on the scale at "strong dislike", but they won't protest others viewing them.

The RfC is going pretty much as I expected it to go so far, there's at most 6-8 editors calling for image reduction/removal against a boatload of "not censored" stances. Remarkable how the removal of one user smooths out discussion, though.
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The RfC is going pretty much as I expected it to go so far, there's at most 6-8 editors calling for image reduction/removal against a boatload of "not censored" stances. Remarkable how the removal of one user smooths out discussion, though.


I haven't read through all of it as it's not a subject I find particularly interesting, but I wonder who many moslems are taking part, or is it all overly-politically correct liberals doing what they think moslems would want?

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The RfC is going pretty much as I expected it to go so far, there's at most 6-8 editors calling for image reduction/removal against a boatload of "not censored" stances. Remarkable how the removal of one user smooths out discussion, though.


I won't even bother to look at the RfC. So long as the matter is addressed by Wikipedians, and only Wikipedians, nothing good or even interesting will come from it. Such insular inward-looking and narcissistic "conversations" are like overhearing a couple of valley girls talk about make-up. The 500,000 strong petition,with a "Wikimania" looming near in Egypt was a great opportunity. Too bad it came to nothing except to illustrate the inability of selfish white nerds to engage with anyone other than their own kind.
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What concerns me most is that so many users want Wikipedia to accommodate the needs and beliefs of Muslim readers. Wikipedia is not censored.
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What concerns me most is that so many users want Wikipedia to accommodate the needs and beliefs of Muslim readers. Wikipedia is not censored.


Welcome to the political correctness epidemic of the 21st Century.
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The 500,000 strong petition,with a "Wikimania" looming near in Egypt was a great opportunity.


A great opportunity for what?
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QUOTE(Tarc @ Sun 25th March 2012, 2:22pm) *
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The 500,000 strong petition,with a "Wikimania" looming near in Egypt was a great opportunity.
A great opportunity for what?

To prove that the WMF's support for "multi-culturalism" isn't just a lot of hot air to disguise their hopelessly Western/Judeo-Christian biases?

Remember, Wikipedia "censors" things all the time. They just don't call it that when it's something they don't like.
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QUOTE(Tarc @ Sun 25th March 2012, 1:22pm) *

QUOTE(GlassBeadGame @ Sun 25th March 2012, 10:16am) *

The 500,000 strong petition,with a "Wikimania" looming near in Egypt was a great opportunity.


A great opportunity for what?


For WMF to pursue dialog with Muslims leaders free of the whims you and other pissant Wikipedians.
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QUOTE(GlassBeadGame @ Sun 25th March 2012, 7:58pm) *

QUOTE(Tarc @ Sun 25th March 2012, 1:22pm) *

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The 500,000 strong petition,with a "Wikimania" looming near in Egypt was a great opportunity.

A great opportunity for what?

For WMF to pursue dialog with Muslims leaders free of the whims you and other pissant Wikipedians.

The bigger opportunity is the one that's been there all along: to engage academic scholars of Islamic history. Wikipedia would be on firmer and more principled ground were it a high-quality academic resource being censored rather than a bathroom wall. If their aims are educational, why not start with the text?
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QUOTE(GlassBeadGame @ Sun 25th March 2012, 3:58pm) *

QUOTE(Tarc @ Sun 25th March 2012, 1:22pm) *

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The 500,000 strong petition,with a "Wikimania" looming near in Egypt was a great opportunity.


A great opportunity for what?


For WMF to pursue dialog with Muslims leaders free of the whims you and other pissant Wikipedians.


A dialog about what, appeasing fanatics who are not happy if anyone is looking at images of their dear prophet?

Know what I find most amusing about bleeding-heart retards like you? Even the slightest hint of deference or respect for Christian values and institutions within the Western world brings you screaming to the skies about church-state separation, prattling about centuries of religion-based repression and so on. Yet you bend over backwards to make sure some random Muslim who would lop your infidel head off without blinking an eye is treated with kid gloves.
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QUOTE(Tarc @ Sun 25th March 2012, 2:55pm) *

QUOTE(GlassBeadGame @ Sun 25th March 2012, 3:58pm) *

QUOTE(Tarc @ Sun 25th March 2012, 1:22pm) *

QUOTE(GlassBeadGame @ Sun 25th March 2012, 10:16am) *

The 500,000 strong petition,with a "Wikimania" looming near in Egypt was a great opportunity.


A great opportunity for what?


For WMF to pursue dialog with Muslims leaders free of the whims you and other pissant Wikipedians.


A dialog about what, appeasing fanatics who are not if anyone is looking at images of their dear prophet?

Know what I find most amusing about bleeding-heart retards like you? Even the slightest hint of deference or respect for Christian values and institutions within the Western world brings you screaming to the skies about church-state separation, prattling about centuries of religion-based repression and so on. Yet you bend over backwards to make sure some random Muslim who would lop your infidel head off without blinking an eye is treated with kid gloves.

Excuse me but what does all this racist horseshit have to do with 500,000 people politely asking that their views be considered? Your hatred runs deep.
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User talk:Jimbo Wales/Archive 96 #After SOPA, Muhammed article's picture is a giant picture of text, and an arbitration case to decide to remove *all* pictures? - Pure and simple, they're hypocrites.
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QUOTE(GlassBeadGame @ Sun 25th March 2012, 5:10pm) *

QUOTE(Tarc @ Sun 25th March 2012, 2:55pm) *

QUOTE(GlassBeadGame @ Sun 25th March 2012, 3:58pm) *

QUOTE(Tarc @ Sun 25th March 2012, 1:22pm) *

QUOTE(GlassBeadGame @ Sun 25th March 2012, 10:16am) *

The 500,000 strong petition,with a "Wikimania" looming near in Egypt was a great opportunity.


A great opportunity for what?


For WMF to pursue dialog with Muslims leaders free of the whims you and other pissant Wikipedians.


A dialog about what, appeasing fanatics who are not if anyone is looking at images of their dear prophet?

Know what I find most amusing about bleeding-heart retards like you? Even the slightest hint of deference or respect for Christian values and institutions within the Western world brings you screaming to the skies about church-state separation, prattling about centuries of religion-based repression and so on. Yet you bend over backwards to make sure some random Muslim who would lop your infidel head off without blinking an eye is treated with kid gloves.

Excuse me but what does all this racist horseshit have to do with 500,000 people politely asking that their views be considered? Your hatred runs deep.


Assbeadgame artfully dodges with a non-sequitur! Its super-effective!


BTW, those "500,000" (probably more like 1,000 with a lot of time, throwaway e-maill addresses, and a botnet or two) were heard, and their request was denied.

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and their request was denied.


Yes, by a couple hundred Wikipedian who happened to show up for a rigged discussion that did not engage the petitioners or any Muslim leadership. Do please spew some more racism. It makes your case so well.

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Caling people racist in a discussion without any kind of proof in a discussion about religion is really not helpful, and a little low...

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(Mod note: Moved the steadily rolling GBGvTarc train to here -Selina)
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