Takin' Out the Trash: My First Two Scalps, My Crusade Against Porn Fan-Boi Spam at Wikipedia Options

[KevinOKeeffe]

Over the last week (and for the foreseeable future), I've been devoting a lot of energy to ridding Wikipedia of even a small portion of its enormous over-coverage of topics related to the adult entertainment, ahem, "industry." Earlier today, my efforts yielded their first fruit. I have succeeded in securing the Deletion of two decidedly non-notable adult entertainment performers. Hopefully, I will soon be able to report additional victories in this regard. In the meantime, here are my first two scalps:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veronica_Caine

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alaura_Eden

[Emperor]

Kevin, you woman-hating bastard. Why would you do that?

[KevinOKeeffe]

Kevin, you woman-hating bastard. Why would you do that?

I'd like to think this reply is intended as humour, but in the dreary event it is intended sincerely, I can assure you that I do not hate women. On the contrary, my hostility to pornography (and more precisely, the gross over-representation at Wikipedia, of what is an innately trivial topic) stems in no small part from my admiration for women in general (as opposed to the very small and rather pitiful subset of womankind that chooses to engage in acts of prostitution in front of a film crew).

It is true that I have, as yet, only targeted articles about female porn stars for deletion, but that is simply a tactical move on my part, owing to the fact that A) pornographic bio articles are grouped by sex, so its easier to focus on one sex or the other, and B) if I'd started off going after male porn stars, it is very likely I would incur the wrath of the rather well-represented & activist gay community at Wikipedia, and simply put, activist homosexuals are a more formidable and well-organized opposition than the champions of female porn star articles ie., nerds who can't get laid.

This is nothing.

I don't see any discussion about this template.
Read the talk page. A classic Commons atrocity.
(Mentioned on Reddit this morning.)

There ya go, Kevin. The perfect template for pornstar BLPs. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/evilgrin.gif)

I had to check, and now I rather wish I had not....

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Penis

[A Horse With No Name]

On the contrary, my hostility to pornography (and more precisely, the gross over-representation at Wikipedia, of what is an innately trivial topic) stems in no small part from my admiration for women in general (as opposed to the very small and rather pitiful subset of womankind that chooses to engage in acts of prostitution in front of a film crew).

Hey, quiet on the set! We're trying to shoot a movie here, okay? Now, Xeno, in this scene you come home and find Durova lying on the leopard skin sheets covering the heart-shaped bed - she is in her red silk lingerie. You look upwards and say your lines: "Praise be to St. Theresa for hearing my prayers!" Ready everyone? Lights, camera... (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/evilgrin.gif)

[Milton Roe]

On the contrary, my hostility to pornography (and more precisely, the gross over-representation at Wikipedia, of what is an innately trivial topic) stems in no small part from my admiration for women in general (as opposed to the very small and rather pitiful subset of womankind that chooses to engage in acts of prostitution in front of a film crew).

Hey, quiet on the set! We're trying to shoot a movie here, okay? Now, Xeno, in this scene you come home and find Durova lying on the leopard skin sheets covering the heart-shaped bed - she is in her red silk lingerie. You look upwards and say your lines: "Praise be to St. Theresa for hearing my prayers!" Ready everyone? Lights, camera... (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/evilgrin.gif)

St. Jude for that one.

Kevin, you woman-hating bastard. Why would you do that?

I'd like to think this reply is intended as humour, but in the dreary event it is intended sincerely, I can assure you that I do not hate women. On the contrary, my hostility to pornography (and more precisely, the gross over-representation at Wikipedia, of what is an innately trivial topic) stems in no small part from my admiration for women in general (as opposed to the very small and rather pitiful subset of womankind that chooses to engage in acts of prostitution in front of a film crew).

These are also women. It's not necessary to split woman kind into madonnas or whores.

There are far worse things in this world than sex and the filming of sex. In fact, pretty much all of the bad things are worse. Possibly the worst thing about filming sex for money is the scorn it generates from a subset of people who now feel entitled to look down on you because you have filmed sex for money. Sheesh.

Could you save it for people who drop bombs on other counties for no good reason, or make loans they know can't be repaid, and sell them like hot potatoes to banks who will collect them until they require the taxpayer to bail them out?

Let me paraphase Jefferson, who was talking atheists and polytheists, but can be used for other contexts. Porn stars and prostitutes do me no injury-- they neither break my leg nor pick my pocket. I wish I could say the same about my financial institutions and my government.

[KevinOKeeffe]

These are also women. It's not necessary to split woman kind into madonnas or whores.

Its not a question of some straw man madonna-vs-whore dichotomy. I think most reasonable people regret the extent to which porn has become a part of mainstream American culture, but are disinclined, due to the First Amendment, to support doing anything about it. Fortunately, Wikipedia is not a government agency. It can choose to have higher standards than serving as a repository for the minutiae of the lives of porn stars. I think most reasonable people understand implicitly that the cataloging of such commercialized vice is not the proper role of an encyclopedia.

There are far worse things in this world than sex and the filming of sex. In fact, pretty much all of the bad things are worse. Possibly the worst thing about filming sex for money is the scorn it generates from a subset of people who now feel entitled to look down on you because you have filmed sex for money.

You're certainly entitled to hold that opinion. I happen to adhere to a different view on that question.

Could you save it for people who drop bombs on other counties for not good reason, or make loans they know can't be repaid, and sell them like hot potatoes to banks who will collect them until they require the taxpaper to bail them out?

Suffice it to say that my involvement in attempting to suppress the porn fan boi spam at Wikipedia is not the sum total of my activities there. Hell, I've been involved in that activity for less than two weeks, and I continue to work on other things while I direct some of my energies in that direction. In any event, it does seem we share some of the concerns about the larger world's socio-political affairs. For the record, let me make it very clear I always voted against the two Georges Bush, John McCain, and Bob Dole (albeit not for the Democrats since 1992).

I once tried prodding (not a euphemism) a lot of Penthouse Pet of the Month BLP's. Apparently just being a Pet of the month makes you notable, at least according to Wikiproject:Pornlovers, or whatever it's called. I was accused of disruption if memory serves. The moral of the story is "Don't mess with a wikipediots right to fill the 'pedia with porno stubs" Human knowledge, sum of, African children, blah, blah, blah.

A new, stricter version of the WP:Pornbio criteria was issued several months ago; being a Penthouse Pet is no longer sufficient, in and of itself, to establish notability (although being a Playboy Playmate still qualifies, and in fairness, Playboy does play a much larger role in the American socio-cultural consciousness than Penthouse ever has, although its still absurd that all 700 or so women who have ever been a Playboy Playmate are now deemed worthy of inclusion in an encyclopedia).

Here is a link to the discussion about the new WP:Pornbio criteria (which are better than the previous set, albeit still woefully too permissive). The discussion about whether the new criteria should be rolled-back to the looser standards of the past, is directly below it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_tal...le)#Porn_Awards

[carbuncle]

These are also women. It's not necessary to split woman kind into madonnas or whores.

Its not a question of some straw man madonna-vs-whore dichotomy. I think most reasonable people regret the extent to which porn has become a part of mainstream American culture, but are disinclined, due to the First Amendment, to support doing anything about it. Fortunately, Wikipedia is not a government agency. It can choose to have higher standards than serving as a repository for the minutiae of the lives of porn stars. I think most reasonable people understand implicitly that the cataloging of such commercialized vice is not the proper role of an encyclopedia.

Judging by this edit, it's not a straw man at all.

Death

I'm afraid that the news of her death is in fact real. Please see the family's photos of her funeral, which incidently in one of the pictures also verfies her Bahai upbringing. She left the porn industry a while back hence the fact there is no news of her death in print, but I'm sure it will get around. [3] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.106.151.36 (talk) 03:05, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Gee, I wonder if society will be able to take the hit from such a loss? KevinOKeeffe (talk) 03:04, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Replying to a two year old comment with a disparaging and insensitive remark pretty much negates any other justifications you might have, at least in my mind. I guess porn actors fall into the "whore" category?

[KevinOKeeffe]

Replying to a two year old comment with a disparaging and insensitive remark pretty much negates any other justifications you might have, at least in my mind. I guess porn actors fall into the "whore" category?

Obviously porn star are whores, rather by definition, since they whore themselves out (in the most literal sense), and incidentally allow the proceedings to be filmed. Never-the-less, that doesn't indicate my adherence to a false dichotomy of all women being either-whores-or-madonnas. Most women are neither, just as most men are neither villains nor saints.

I suppose it was a bit rascally of me to suggest the death of that one porn store was an event of little or no social significance (even if that statement is objectively accurate, it is perhaps in poor taste to point it out), but what can I say? I find the porn fan bois on Wikipedia extremely irritating, and I guess I trolled them in that one instance. I suppose I felt it was a little absurd for them to be posting such a seriously worded statement of condolence about the loss of someone who was, for them, nothing more than a stroke-fest fantasy. I still do feel that way, actually. In my opinion, there is something genuinely wrong with a man who forms an emotional attachment to porn stars he's never met. Mocking the grief of such twits may actually be helpful to them, in that it may serve as a reminder that the time is past due for them to grow up.

[Law]

Obviously porn star are whores, rather by definition, since they whore themselves out (in the most literal sense), and incidentally allow the proceedings to be filmed.

I find the porn fan bois on Wikipedia extremely irritating, and I guess I trolled them in that one instance.

In my opinion, there is something genuinely wrong with a man who forms an emotional attachment to porn stars he's never met. Mocking the grief of such twits may actually be helpful to them, in that it may serve as a reminder that the time is past due for them to grow up.

You have a lot of opinions about porn, but feeling the need to demonstrate how a porn star is literally a whore, and commenting on the fan base, says to me that you have issues that are far deeper than those you try and dissect. I'm all for nuking BLPs, but not because I have an anti-porn agenda -- I'm just tired of shitty bios. I don't know why anyone gives a fuck about who consenting adults fuck, when they fuck, where they fuck, and if they do it for money or not. Who the fuck wants to spend their life worrying about who fucks who and what position they fuck in is beyond me.

[Eva Destruction]

Obviously porn star are whores, rather by definition, since they whore themselves out (in the most literal sense), and incidentally allow the proceedings to be filmed.

I find the porn fan bois on Wikipedia extremely irritating, and I guess I trolled them in that one instance.

In my opinion, there is something genuinely wrong with a man who forms an emotional attachment to porn stars he's never met. Mocking the grief of such twits may actually be helpful to them, in that it may serve as a reminder that the time is past due for them to grow up.

You have a lot of opinions about porn, but feeling the need to demonstrate how a porn star is literally a whore, and commenting on the fan base, says to me that you have issues that are far deeper than those you try and dissect. I'm all for nuking BLPs, but not because I have an anti-porn agenda -- I'm just tired of shitty bios. I don't know why anyone gives a fuck about who consenting adults fuck, when they fuck, where they fuck, and if they do it for money or not. Who the fuck wants to spend their life worrying about who fucks who and what position they fuck in is beyond me.

Absolutely. How is "a man who forms an emotional attachment to porn stars he's never met" any different from a fan of Mariah Carey, Derek Jeter or Bill O'Reilly, othar than that he's a fan of someone doing something you don't personally like? I think Led Zeppelin sound like cats being toasted, but that doesn't mean that if I go to someone's house and see a "Houses of the Holy" poster on the wall I immediately assume they're in need of psychotherapy.