Jimbo Wales: The Editor Options

[The Wales Hunter]

With all the talk about what Jimbo does and doesn't do, I started thinking about User:Jimbo Wales as an editor/admin without all of the other stuff thrown in.

His stats make interesting reading.

Does he really have so few edits in total?

User groups: founder oversight sysop
Edits (including deleted edits): 3937
Edits: 3875
Deleted edits: 62
Action Counts
Rollbacks: 6
Users blocked: 74
Pages deleted: 293
Pages moved: 5
Pages protected: 41
Pages restored: 12
User rights modified: 5
Users unblocked: 40
Pages unprotected: 13
Files uploaded: 2
Automated or script-assisted edits!
Approximate edits using WP:TWINKLE: 0
Approximate edits using WP:AWB: 1
Approximate edits using WP:FRIENDLY: 0
Approximate edits using WP:FURME: 0
Approximate edits using Popups: 0
Approximate edits using MWT: 0
Approximate edits using Huggle: 0
Approximate edits using NPWatcher: 0
Approximate edits using amelvand: 0
Total automated or assisted edits: 1


Namespace Count Percent

Main 713 18.4%
Talk 529 13.65%
User 196 5.06%
User talk 1797 46.37%
Wikipedia 406 10.48%
Wikipedia talk 159 4.1%
Image 15 0.39%
Image talk 2 0.05%
MediaWiki 12 0.31%
MediaWiki talk 7 0.18%
Template 12 0.31%
Template talk 4 0.1%
Category 3 0.08%
Category talk 19 0.49%
Portal 1 0.03%

Top 25 mainspace article edits!

1. BonziBUDDY - 20 edits
2. Jimmy_Wales - 19 edits
3. Marc_Lemire - 16 edits
4. List_of_honorary_British_Knights - 9 edits
5. Jeff_V._Merkey - 9 edits
6. Houston_McCoy - 8 edits
7. Taliban - 7 edits
8. Tim_Gallagher - 7 edits
9. Fred_Singer - 6 edits
10. Mary_(Romans_16:6) - 6 edits
11. Ann_Coulter - 6 edits
12. Phenothiazine - 6 edits
13. Brandy_Alexandre - 5 edits
14. Asha_Haji_Elmi - 5 edits
15. List_of_messianic_movement_leaders - 5 edits
16. Main_Page - 5 edits
17. Taliban_treatment_of_women - 5 edits
18. Phillips_Exeter - 5 edits
19. Religious_aspects_of_marriage - 4 edits
20. Iranian_sex_tape_scandal - 4 edits
21. Giovanni_di_Stefano - 4 edits
22. Jack_Sarfatti - 4 edits
23. Alabama - 4 edits
24. Blood_Diamond_(film) - 4 edits
25. Goshen,_Indiana - 4 edits

[Milton Roe]

With all the talk about what Jimbo does and doesn't do, I started thinking about User:Jimbo Wales as an editor/admin without all of the other stuff thrown in.

His stats make interesting reading.


Top 25 mainspace article edits!

1. BonziBUDDY - 20 edits
2. Jimmy_Wales - 19 edits
3. Marc_Lemire - 16 edits
4. List_of_honorary_British_Knights - 9 edits
5. Jeff_V._Merkey - 9 edits
6. Houston_McCoy - 8 edits
7. Taliban - 7 edits
8. Tim_Gallagher - 7 edits
9. Fred_Singer - 6 edits
10. Mary_(Romans_16:6) - 6 edits
11. Ann_Coulter - 6 edits
12. Phenothiazine - 6 edits
13. Brandy_Alexandre - 5 edits
14. Asha_Haji_Elmi - 5 edits
15. List_of_messianic_movement_leaders - 5 edits
16. Main_Page - 5 edits
17. Taliban_treatment_of_women - 5 edits
18. Phillips_Exeter - 5 edits
19. Religious_aspects_of_marriage - 4 edits
20. Iranian_sex_tape_scandal - 4 edits
21. Giovanni_di_Stefano - 4 edits
22. Jack_Sarfatti - 4 edits
23. Alabama - 4 edits
24. Blood_Diamond_(film) - 4 edits
25. Goshen,_Indiana - 4 edits

I guess somebody really got pissed about the review of BonziBUDDY, the helper you can't tell from malware (think of an MS paperclip that spies on you).

I have radically stubbed the article, and cleared out the old discussion. The article was, quite frankly, an embarassment to us. Extremely bold negative claims, backed up with no sources. Quite frankly, several of the people who contributed to the article should be banned from coming near a keyboard until they have learned to engage in proper encyclopedia writing. Well. Enough of my ranting. The deal is: this article needs to be rewritten, with very careful line-by-line sourcing to legitimate mainstream publications for every claim. The claims should not be made BY wikipedia, but should instead be ATTRIBUTED to the sources.--Jimbo Wales 11:30, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Marc Lemire is a Canadian who has been accused of being a neo-Nazi, white supremicist, anti-semite, and a hater of poodles. Jimbo did something with the article, but I can't figure out what.

We all know Jeff Merkey-- discussed here on WR. All these are BLP problems where somebody was really unhappy with WP. Not least Jimbo about his own bio, but naturally he fixed that up a lot. Houston_McCoy is a policeman famous for just one thing: shooting (or co-shooting?) the Texas tower sniper in the early 60's. He's a posterchild for why WP shouldn't be writing BLPs of people. And so on. I can't take much more of this, so I'm going to quit.

I would like to know if Jimbo can properly format an academic reference and notes list of cites himself on a WP article, without handholding. I don't see any evidence he's ever done the core thing which he harps about making WP, an encyclopedia. Which I suppose should not be surprising. I'm beginning to get a feel for this guy.

[Rootology]

Jimmy's wannabekate tool report (same one used for all RFAs). Interestingly, he'd so never pass RFA with these stats:

http://toolserver.org/~interiot/cgi-bin/To...n.wikipedia.org

Category talk: 19
Category: 3
Image talk: 2
Image: 15
Mainspace 714
MediaWiki talk: 7
MediaWiki: 12
Portal: 1
Talk: 529
Template talk: 4
Template: 12
User talk: 1798
User: 195
Wikipedia talk: 159
Wikipedia: 407
avg edits per page 2.84
earliest 20:47, 27 March 2001
number of unique pages 1363
total 3877
2001/3 5
2001/4 3
2001/5 1
2001/6 0
2001/7 0
2001/8 1
2001/9 9
2001/10 28
2001/11 14
2001/12 125
2002/1 9
2002/2 3
2002/3 0
2002/4 2
2002/5 1
2002/6 0
2002/7 0
2002/8 0
2002/9 0
2002/10 0
2002/11 7
2002/12 1
2003/1 5
2003/2 43
2003/3 4
2003/4 5
2003/5 3
2003/6 2
2003/7 22
2003/8 19
2003/9 2
2003/10 3
2003/11 6
2003/12 5
2004/1 8
2004/2 24
2004/3 17
2004/4 86
2004/5 83
2004/6 30
2004/7 22
2004/8 68
2004/9 79
2004/10 72
2004/11 101
2004/12 72
2005/1 14
2005/2 19
2005/3 49
2005/4 12
2005/5 4
2005/6 20
2005/7 33
2005/8 70
2005/9 127
2005/10 89
2005/11 29
2005/12 137
2006/1 224
2006/2 120
2006/3 33
2006/4 40
2006/5 131
2006/6 37
2006/7 112
2006/8 63
2006/9 51
2006/10 106
2006/11 67
2006/12 88
2007/1 120
2007/2 39
2007/3 146
2007/4 26
2007/5 54
2007/6 56
2007/7 106
2007/8 59
2007/9 30
2007/10 54
2007/11 44
2007/12 98
2008/1 82
2008/2 65
2008/3 33
2008/4 52
2008/5 48
2008/6 48
2008/7 35
2008/8 17

Mainspace
20 BonziBUDDY
19 Jimmy Wales
16 Marc Lemire
9 Jeff V. Merkey
9 List of honorary British Knights
8 Houston McCoy
7 Tim Gallagher
7 Taliban
6 Phenothiazine
6 Fred Singer
6 Mary (Romans 16:6)
6 Ann Coulter
5 List of messianic movement leaders
5 Brandy Alexandre
5 Phillips Exeter

Talk:
95 Jimmy Wales
35 Jeff V. Merkey
12 Paul Barresi
11 Giovanni di Stefano
9 Ann Coulter
8 SMS.ac, Inc.
8 Show Me Love (film)
7 Marc Lemire
5 Blizzard Entertainment
5 Jyllands-Posten Muhammad cartoons controversy
5 Muqtada al-Sadr
5 Gary Weiss
5 2006 Gdansk school suicide incident
5 Jack Sarfatti/Archive 3
4 Che Guevara

Category talk:
17 Living people/Archive 1

Category:
2 Images with unknown source

Image:
4 Typical Savannah Garden.jpg
2 Three Studies for Figures at the Base of a Crucifixion.jpg
2 Wilkes Dining Room Sign.jpg
2 Wilkes Dining Room Entrance.jpg

Image talk:
2 Crosstar.png

MediaWiki:
6 Sitenotice
3 Recentchangestext
2 Copyrightwarning

MediaWiki talk:
3 Sitenotice
2 Tagline

Template:
3 Wikipedia
2 Donate
2 Infobox U.S. state
2 Afd-privacy

Template talk:
2 Wikipedia

User:
102 Jimbo Wales
7 Jimbo Wales/BBC talk
6 Jimbo Wales/Credential Verification
4 Jimbo Wales/BBC talk slides
4 Jimbo Wales/monobook.js
4 Jimbo Wales/topframe
3 Linuxbeak/Wikimania 2006/Wikipedian Survey
3 Sam Korn/RFC April 2006
2 MARMOT
2 Jimbo Wales/Magazine Awards
2 Boothy443/toolbox
2 VK35
2 RickK
2 The Canadian Roadgeek/Guestbook
2 Michael Laudahn

User talk:
1211 Jimbo Wales
17 Jimbo Wales/Credential Verification/Archive 2
16 Jimbo Wales/Credential Verification
12 RickK
11 Wik
9 Xed
7 82.148.97.69
7 Just H
6 WAS 4.250
5 David Vasquez
4 Zscout370
4 Wik/Jimbo discussion
4 Themindset
4 Adam Carr
4 Boothy443/Archive 5

Wikipedia:
43 Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents
21 Administrators' noticeboard
8 Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents/My desysop of Zscout370
8 Improve this article about Wikipedia
7 Elimination of Fair Use Rationale in Promotional Photos/Vote
6 Requests for arbitration
6 Categories for deletion/Log/2006 January 19
5 Attribution/Poll
5 Meetup/Chicago
5 Requests for comment/Arbitration Committee
5 Criteria for speedy deletion
5 Requested articles
4 What Google liked
4 Meetup
4 Off-wiki policy discussion

Wikipedia talk:
25 Tools/1-Click Answers
13 Attribution
9 Tools
7 Biographies of living persons
6 Editing with a conflict of interest
5 Elimination of Fair Use Rationale in Promotional Photos/Vote
4 WikiProject Fair use
3 Arbitration Committee Elections January 2006
3 List of banned users
3 Notability/Historical/Fame and importance
3 Ignore all credentials
3 Proposed policy on userboxes
3 Off-wiki policy discussion
2 Arbitration Committee Elections January 2006/Straw poll
2 Obscure public information

[Crestatus]

25. Goshen,_Indiana - 4 edits

Goshen?

What's the story behind those edits.

[Rootology]

25. Goshen,_Indiana - 4 edits

Goshen?

What's the story behind those edits.

He made it: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...48&oldid=255544

[The Wales Hunter]

My personal favourite:

15. List_of_messianic_movement_leaders - 5 edits

All he really appears to do, by the stats, is answer comments on his talk page.

Surely he has a sock for edits that could generate heat?

[maiawatatos]

My personal favourite:

15. List_of_messianic_movement_leaders - 5 edits

All he really appears to do, by the stats, is answer comments on his talk page.

Surely he has a sock for edits that could generate heat?

Maybe someone should checkuser him </joke>

[wikiwhistle]

Why's he editing Phenothiazine; an anti-psychotic drugl?

[maiawatatos]

Why's he editing Phenothiazine; an anti-psychotic drugl?

Well, not an anti-psychotic drug per se, but a structure found in a lot of anti-psychotic drugs. I've been prescribed drugs with this structure to treat me for extreme vertigo before, so it's not an uncommon one in medicine.

[Milton Roe]

Why's he editing Phenothiazine; an anti-psychotic drugl?

Well, not an anti-psychotic drug per se, but a structure found in a lot of anti-psychotic drugs. I've been prescribed drugs with this structure to treat me for extreme vertigo before, so it's not an uncommon one in medicine.

He basically converted a stub containing a simpler table with no example drugs for each class:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...e&oldid=7443608

To a more complex table with linked example drugs and some additional info.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...e&oldid=7987093

Without citing any references. Old Doc Jimbo. Gotta remind him to put them dang cites in.

That said, I have to admit he improved the article. A bit.

[wikiwhistle]

Why's he editing Phenothiazine; an anti-psychotic drugl?

Well, not an anti-psychotic drug per se, but a structure found in a lot of anti-psychotic drugs. I've been prescribed drugs with this structure to treat me for extreme vertigo before, so it's not an uncommon one in medicine.

Yes they give them for anxiety too but I'd say people might know them more as anti-psychotic drugs. Strange he hasn't edited any similar articles to the same extent, and chose this one in particular. It would be easy to 'do a Peter Damian' about it

[ThurstonHowell3rd]

Any evidence in his edits that Jimbo has read a book, versus him just finding stuff using Google?

[Sceptre]

Jesus, that Marc Lemire article is a disgrace. Trigger happy "IT'S NOTABLE! KEEP KEEP KEEP T3H LIBELZ!" editors, sadly, make it ineligble for speedy deletion.

[Milton Roe]

Jesus, that Marc Lemire article is a disgrace. Trigger happy "IT'S NOTABLE! KEEP KEEP KEEP T3H LIBELZ!" editors, sadly, make it ineligble for speedy deletion.

The elephant in the BLP room is that having a BLP with a lot of ugly stuff in it is often used as a fully sanctioned WP "punishment" for antisemitism, either real or perceived. We've mentioned that the 2nd-most edited outside-WP subject article on en.wiki is Adolf Hitler (right after the one on United States). There is a whole Wiki on Mel Gibson's antisemitic comments during a drunk driving arrest. Accusations of antisemitism have kept this Lemire article alive. And most of Chip Berlet's contributions, too, as though an infusion of Herbert West reanimation juice, or a jolt of electricity from Dr. Frankenstein's equipment. And did not Slimey herself use this kind of thing to make the long dead and dusty Martin Luther walk again, like unto the Golum?

One of these days this kind of thing is going to backfire on somebody. This very forum was cleaned out in its early days by such accusations, and barely survived. But cryers of "wolf!" as has been mentioned, risk not being listened to when the day comes that they finally meet a wolf.

This post has been edited by Milton Roe: Sat 9th August 2008, 1:06am

[Giggy]

2. Jimmy_Wales - 19 edits

Anyone else would have been banned by now.

[Sceptre]

Jesus, that Marc Lemire article is a disgrace. Trigger happy "IT'S NOTABLE! KEEP KEEP KEEP T3H LIBELZ!" editors, sadly, make it ineligble for speedy deletion.

The elephant in the BLP room is that having a BLP with a lot of ugly stuff in it is often used as a fully sanctioned WP "punishment" for antisemitism, either real or perceived. We've mentioned that the most edited outside-WP subject article on en.wiki is Adolf Hitler (right after the one on United States). There is a whole Wiki on Mel Gibson's antisemitic comments during a drunk driving arrest. Accusations of antisemitism have kept this Lemire article alive. And most of Chip Berlet's contributions, too, as though an infusion of Herbert West reanimation juice, or a jolt of electricity from Dr. Frankenstein's equipment. And did not Slimey herself use this kind of thing to make the long dead and dusty Martin Luther walk again, like unto the Golum?

One of these days this kind of thing is going to backfire on somebody. This very forum was cleaned out in its early days by such accusations, and barely survived. But cryers of "wolf!" as has been mentioned, risk not being listened to when the day comes that they finally meet a wolf.

The Hitler article actually has a better track record for a better neutrality and sourcing quality than most anti-semites, mostly because Hitler is so high-profile. I'm pretty sure it, along with the article for Saddam Hussein, are actually used as poster children for how to enforce NPOV on delicate subjects such as racism.

I think more of these articles should be brought to people's attention; after the quality of the Stormfront article was brought up to me, I started pushing for neutrality. Now, it's a GA. I'm still a bit squeamish about the use of "white supremacist" in the lead section, but it's a payoff for the increased quality overall.

[everyking]

I remember he used to say that he chose not to edit articles normally because of how his special status could affect the normal editing process. I don't know if that was honest or just an excuse for laziness, but it is actually a pretty good reason; given that Jimbo insists on maintaining dictatorial powers, people would be afraid to edit his articles in any way that might upset him. He also used to claim that he had an obscure sockpuppet which he occasionally used to engage in normal editing--however, considering that when he does edit he often appears completely out of touch with accepted editing practices, I find it hard to believe he does much editing under any account.

This post has been edited by everyking: Sat 9th August 2008, 4:23am

[LaraLove]

I'm surprised he didn't even edit much in the beginning. That seems odd to me. I mean sole founder and all. You think he would have put some greater effort into it. It's like he was just the financial half of a partnership with someone or something like that...

[Crestatus]

2. Jimmy_Wales - 19 edits

Anyone else would have been banned by now.

Depends on what they typed.

[Gandoman]

2. Jimmy_Wales - 19 edits

Anyone else would have been banned by now.

Depends on what they typed.

Actually, they would - editing an article with the same name as your username is considered promotional and prohibited by the username policy. I doubt that this would be applied to established users though.