SB Johnny and Wikiversity Options

[Ottava]

So SB Johnny decided to block me for one week on Wikiversity just because. Wonderful stuff. He claimed I was being disruptive for complaining that Abd was pretending to check recent changes while not actually doing that.

If you haven't noticed, Abd has been selectively welcoming people who are disruptive and they all happened to vote in support of him. They also say he has been doing a good job at recent changes.

Anyone can see from my contrbs that I had to go through and fix a lot. It isn't a coincidence. SB Johnny claims I have done nothing since coming back, but that is pure bs. I love how Wikiversity is making Wikipedia look far better in terms of logical practices.

[Ottava]

Abd has been banned on Meta for disruption, and it is pointed out that one of Abd's supporters in his request for Custodianship was contradicting himself.

[The Joy]

Abd has been banned on Meta for disruption, and it is pointed out that one of Abd's supporters in his request for Custodianship was contradicting himself.

So, to summarize, Abd welcomed a new user without punishing the new user for making personal pages. You wanted Abd and the new user punished and, instead, Johnny punished you. Is this correct?

I'm not really seeing what the problem is. The new user's personal stuff was userfied and he has started contributing to WV. He's a bit philosophical, but over time with informal and maybe formal mentorship, he could be a benefit to the project. I'm guessing this is him here, here, and here? Maybe he could work on Islam-related or chemical stuff?

Why didn't you just patiently and politely work with him and help him understand WV's goals and projects, as well as, what he can and cannot do on WV? This could have been dealt with better. I'm surprised he didn't run for the hills.

[Ottava]

Abd has been banned on Meta for disruption, and it is pointed out that one of Abd's supporters in his request for Custodianship was contradicting himself.

So, to summarize, Abd welcomed a new user without punishing the new user for making personal pages. You wanted Abd and the new user punished and, instead, Johnny punished you. Is this correct?

I'm not really seeing what the problem is. The new user's personal stuff was userfied and he has started contributing to WV. He's a bit philosophical, but over time with informal and maybe formal mentorship, he could be a benefit to the project. I'm guessing this is him here, here, and here? Maybe he could work on Islam-related or chemical stuff?

Why didn't you just patiently and politely work with him and help him understand WV's goals and projects, as well as, what he can and cannot do on WV? This could have been dealt with better. I'm surprised he didn't run for the hills.

I never asked for him to be punished.

You don't "welcome" people by encouraging their disruption by posting nonsense like that by moving it to his user subpages. However, Abd was doing just that. This is just like him encouraging Marshallsumter. to continue his copyvio and other problematic behavior on Wikiversity.

It was very clear that the user kept up the behavior for over a month and didn't care about Wikiversity standards. I'm obviously not the only one who is tired of him making these pages. There are a lot of bad pages.

You can see here that Abd has been encouraging some of the weirdest nonsense in addition to a user who was blatantly copyvio and the stealing of screen shots from a video game from another group of users. All things Abd never told people they couldn't do because he didn't want to upset them.



Now, The Joy, Abd has indeffed banned many editors without a block notice, warning, or the rest. That contradicts directly what you are claiming above.

[The Joy]

Abd has been banned on Meta for disruption, and it is pointed out that one of Abd's supporters in his request for Custodianship was contradicting himself.

So, to summarize, Abd welcomed a new user without punishing the new user for making personal pages. You wanted Abd and the new user punished and, instead, Johnny punished you. Is this correct?

I'm not really seeing what the problem is. The new user's personal stuff was userfied and he has started contributing to WV. He's a bit philosophical, but over time with informal and maybe formal mentorship, he could be a benefit to the project. I'm guessing this is him here, here, and here? Maybe he could work on Islam-related or chemical stuff?

Why didn't you just patiently and politely work with him and help him understand WV's goals and projects, as well as, what he can and cannot do on WV? This could have been dealt with better. I'm surprised he didn't run for the hills.

I never asked for him to be punished.

You don't "welcome" people by encouraging their disruption by posting nonsense like that by moving it to his user subpages. However, Abd was doing just that. This is just like him encouraging Marshallsumter. to continue his copyvio and other problematic behavior on Wikiversity.

It was very clear that the user kept up the behavior for over a month and didn't care about Wikiversity standards. I'm obviously not the only one who is tired of him making these pages. There are a lot of bad pages.

You can see here that Abd has been encouraging some of the weirdest nonsense in addition to a user who was blatantly copyvio and the stealing of screen shots from a video game from another group of users. All things Abd never told people they couldn't do because he didn't want to upset them.



Now, The Joy, Abd has indeffed banned many editors without a block notice, warning, or the rest. That contradicts directly what you are claiming above.

Well, this fellow responded nicely to the new user and offered assistance. Why can't you be more like S. Larctia? I don't see a "Warning" message as a very welcoming thing to say and it seemed rather threatening to me. It can take more than a month to understand all the ends and outs of a project like WV, particularly when it appears to be run by the inmates of Arkham Asylum.

I just don't see what Abd did that was so beyond the pale? (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/unsure.gif)

[Ottava]

Well, this fellow responded nicely to the new user and offered assistance. Why can't you be more like S. Larctia? I don't see a "Warning" message as a very welcoming thing to say and it seemed rather threatening to me. It can take more than a month to understand all the ends and outs of a project like WV, particularly when it appears to be run by the inmates of Arkham Asylum.

I just don't see what Abd did that was so beyond the pale? (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/unsure.gif)

You said nicely. I see "it was essentially a poor quality summary of the Wikipedia article on that topic " which could be construed as insulting. Warning someone about what can or cannot be posted isn't mean.

Furthermore, the user was here for a month. Instead of being "nice", he should have been confronted with the possibility of blocks if he continued. Instead of encouraging him by moving things to subspace when they clearly don't belong, they should have been deleted.

Wikiversity is for creating learning resources. Abd has instead encouraged those who are actively trying to disrupt other Wikis.

All of Abd's actions can be seen in two ways: fluffy and trying to get as many people to be on his side by ignoring their problems, or malicious in purposefully aiding those like Abigor, Marshall, etc, to further what Salmon of Doubt mentioned as the closing of Wikiversity (or what some here would want, an attack on Wikipedia). Either way, he has nothing to do with what the mission was originally about and encourages those who have no connection to it.


And SB Johnny, we both know that your block was bs, as well as most Stewards and other people. Your harassing messages name dropping people I know and the rest shows that you exhibit all the nasty characteristics that WR hates in Wikipedia admin.



And The Joy, I have nothing in common with Abd. I don't promote fringe stuff. My ban has very little in similarity to what happened, and that indef block on Meta wont last long. When I go to meetups, people love to spend time with me. When Abd tries to go to a Wiki event people want to call the cops. Many people have been utterly creeped out by his behavior.

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[The Joy]

And The Joy, I have nothing in common with Abd. I don't promote fringe stuff. My ban has very little in similarity to what happened, and that indef block on Meta wont last long. When I go to meetups, people love to spend time with me. When Abd tries to go to a Wiki event people want to call the cops. Many people have been utterly creeped out by his behavior.

That's a very cruel and libelous thing to say, Ottava. I can understand your frustration (to a certain degree), but have you honestly listened to yourself? Good gravy, man, you write articles about being a better Christian and you say things like this? What is wrong with you? (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/sad.gif)

[Ottava]

And The Joy, I have nothing in common with Abd. I don't promote fringe stuff. My ban has very little in similarity to what happened, and that indef block on Meta wont last long. When I go to meetups, people love to spend time with me. When Abd tries to go to a Wiki event people want to call the cops. Many people have been utterly creeped out by his behavior.

That's a very cruel and libelous thing to say, Ottava. I can understand your frustration (to a certain degree), but have you honestly listened to yourself? Good gravy, man, you write articles about being a better Christian and you say things like this? What is wrong with you? (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/sad.gif)

Um, you must not understand what "libelous" means. It is 100% true with the testimony of 2 females who were involved in the incident. It is rather well known among WMF regulars. I believe it was even mentioned here back in 2009/10ish.

And it isn't non-Christian to mention a fact about another in which they are utterly creepy in a manner that has provenly made women really bothered and upset.

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[Abd]

And The Joy, I have nothing in common with Abd. I don't promote fringe stuff. My ban has very little in similarity to what happened, and that indef block on Meta wont last long. When I go to meetups, people love to spend time with me. When Abd tries to go to a Wiki event people want to call the cops. Many people have been utterly creeped out by his behavior.

That's a very cruel and libelous thing to say, Ottava. I can understand your frustration (to a certain degree), but have you honestly listened to yourself? Good gravy, man, you write articles about being a better Christian and you say things like this? What is wrong with you? (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/sad.gif)

Um, you must not understand what "libelous" means. It is 100% true with the testimony of 2 females who were involved in the incident. It is rather well known among WMF regulars. I believe it was even mentioned here back in 2009/10ish.

And it isn't non-Christian to mention a fact about another in which they are utterly creepy in a manner that has provenly made women really bothered and upset.

Uh, what in the world is Ottava talking about? I've gone to only one wiki event, in New York, in 2010. 2 females involved in what incident?

Maybe I was drunk and don't remember. Problem is, I don't drink.

Ottava, this actually is libel. We do know where you live, or could find out. Not that I suspect you are worth suing, or even wasting the time of a lawyer to ask about suing.

By the way, I've been through 2 CORI investigations, because I adopted kids. Ottava, you are insane. I recommend that you think about what you are talking about and put up some evidence, or continue to demonstrate that you are a complete idiot.

I just don't see what Abd did that was so beyond the pale? (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/unsure.gif)

When Ottava was Mr. Wikiversity, I blocked him for two hours for incivility (later confirmed by Jtneill as within proper discretion).

Lese majeste. Utterly unforgivable. After all, he was my mentor.