Unimportant Decision 2010 Options

[Peter Damian]

Here is a guide to the UK legislation. It covers any 'organisation', AFAICS.

http://www.yourlegalrights.co.uk/employment/data-protection

Is there equivalent US legisation?

I think any laws that pertain to personally identifiable information apply only to the government itself (e.g., the GSA) or to regulated industries (e.g., the financial sector that scuttled Wikia Search).

What a shame. The UK act definitely covers voluntary organisations

http://www.ico.gov.uk/for_organisations/se...es/charity.aspx

[Somey]

What's all this fuss over Giano not identifying himself? I thought everyone already knew who who is - he's Frank Kowalczek, a construction worker from Hoboken. Drives an old Pontiac... Nice guy, too - I played dominoes once with him and his wife and his wife's sister. I tried calling the sister later about going to Applebee's for chicken fajitas one night, but I only got her voice mail and she didn't call back. Still, I don't blame him for that... I mean, not Frankie's fault that I couldn't close the deal, right? I take full responsibility, and I'd be willing to testify to that effect before Congress. However, Congress has so far chosen not to invite me to their committee hearings regarding the issue.

Anyway, what was this thread about, again?

[Warui desu]

Me, I think he can function as an arb without access to any secret stuff. I think it will be very hard, and it will place a far greater (and unfair?) burden on all the other arbs to do more circumlocution, more setting up multiple lists, and they will have to do more of the routine scut work (oversighting, cu work and the like) which actually take up the vast majority of what it is they do. but it's doable.

Other folks I trust a lot are adamant there is absolutely no way it will work, that almost every case has secret stuff in it... But I think it should be at least tried, assuming Giano gets one of the top 12 places. Which with this diminished and rather lackluster (excepting certain sparkly/iridescent candidates) field, might not at all be unlikely.

Okay, I am curious. WHY does almost every case have secret stuff in it? From my Swedish perspective of trials, only a vanishingly small number of trials, not even close to a percent, has secret stuff in them. In the vast majority, all evidence put forward is public. Why would ArbCom cases have tons of secret stuff in them? Is wikipedia really that paranoid?

[Milton Roe]

Okay, I am curious. WHY does almost every case have secret stuff in it? From my Swedish perspective of trials, only a vanishingly small number of trials, not even close to a percent, has secret stuff in them. In the vast majority, all evidence put forward is public. Why would ArbCom cases have tons of secret stuff in them? Is wikipedia really that paranoid?

When it serves their interests. Anytime anybody on Wikipedia wants to do something really ugly to another Wikipedian but take no responsiblity for it personally, they just claim that any broach in their anonymity will expose them to PERSONAL danger. Yes it will. So, they can do as they please and never have to worry. If they say they're afraid of being raped and killed and murdered and raped and stalked and raped again, it will be believed, and that will be it.

Will Beback, we speculate, wears an anti-rape device in his anus. And, it is very painful. Making him grouchy.

[EricBarbour]

Will Beback, we speculate, wears an anti-rape device in his anus. And, it is very painful. Making him grouchy.

Just saw that other thread, didn't you?...........
He doesn't have anything in his anus, because he is the anus.

[thebainer]

Okay, I am curious. WHY does almost every case have secret stuff in it? From my Swedish perspective of trials, only a vanishingly small number of trials, not even close to a percent, has secret stuff in them. In the vast majority, all evidence put forward is public. Why would ArbCom cases have tons of secret stuff in them? Is wikipedia really that paranoid?

Parties regularly raise sockpuppetry allegations against one another, particularly in the nationalist-dispute-type cases that have become common lately, and investigating these often involves CheckUser data.

A large proportion of non-case work also involves CheckUser data, such as ban appeals, or dealing with certain problem users like Amorrow.

It's not so much the volume but the frequency.

[Doc glasgow]

Okay, I am curious. WHY does almost every case have secret stuff in it? From my Swedish perspective of trials, only a vanishingly small number of trials, not even close to a percent, has secret stuff in them. In the vast majority, all evidence put forward is public. Why would ArbCom cases have tons of secret stuff in them? Is wikipedia really that paranoid?

Parties regularly raise sockpuppetry allegations against one another, particularly in the nationalist-dispute-type cases that have become common lately, and investigating these often involves CheckUser data.

A large proportion of non-case work also involves CheckUser data, such as ban appeals, or dealing with certain problem users like Amorrow.

It's not so much the volume but the frequency.

Not really convincing.

Arbitrators have to arbitrate - what's to arbitrate with Amorrow? It just needs CUers to play whack-a-mole with socks. Same with most sockpuppeteers.

As long as you've got tech-say people to attest that sockpuppetry has occurred or has probably occurred, or that account x belongs to user y, then if the remedy isn't self-evident, arbs can arbitrate. I think there's a tendency to confuse the enforcers with the people on the bench.

[taiwopanfob]

I think there's a tendency to confuse the enforcers with the people on the bench.

Maybe this is because "the people on the bench" not only brandish weapons, but exactly the same ones as the enforcers?

[Theanima]

Results are in.

[RMHED]

Results are in.

A lucky escape for Giano, the last thing he wants to be is part of da 'pedia establishment.

[Theanima]

Results are in.

A lucky escape for Giano, the last thing he wants to be is part of da 'pedia establishment.

The results are hardly surprising - very few candidates to start with, a large amount of seats, and several withdrawals and obvious no-hopers.

[RMHED]

Results are in.

A lucky escape for Giano, the last thing he wants to be is part of da 'pedia establishment.

The results are hardly surprising - very few candidates to start with, a large amount of seats, and several withdrawals and obvious no-hopers.

Poor Iridescent. Mark my words, no good will come of it.

[melloden]

Results are in.

A lucky escape for Giano, the last thing he wants to be is part of da 'pedia establishment.

The results are hardly surprising - very few candidates to start with, a large amount of seats, and several withdrawals and obvious no-hopers.

Poor Iridescent. Mark my words, no good will come of it.

Hah, Giano didn't even get as many votes as FT2. Funny also how Mr. now-banned Loosmark had more support votes than Jayvdb. A pity that Xeno and David got in; Xeno + block button = hiliarious (thank you, Marek) and David needs to go write more FAs. NYB was the big winner, of course, and Shell barely made it in. The results are lamer than the election itself, after FT2's little memory loss and Giano's stink about IDing. Personally, I think Iridescent will bring enough of the anti-arbcom sentiment without crashing the whole system.

[thekohser]

May I be the first to welcome this new ArbCom of 2011, the ArbCom that will prove its interest in justice by unblocking my English Wikipedia account, just as it has been unblocked on Wikiversity, Commons, Wikibooks, and Wikisource.

[Ottava]

Hah, Giano didn't even get as many votes as FT2. Funny also how Mr. now-banned Loosmark had more support votes than Jayvdb. A pity that Xeno and David got in; Xeno + block button = hiliarious (thank you, Marek) and David needs to go write more FAs. NYB was the big winner, of course, and Shell barely made it in. The results are lamer than the election itself, after FT2's little memory loss and Giano's stink about IDing. Personally, I think Iridescent will bring enough of the anti-arbcom sentiment without crashing the whole system.

Jimbo should do everyone a favor and shrink ArbCom to 16 and bump out Jclemens and Shell.kinney.

[Jon Awbrey]

Jimbo should do everyone a favor and shrink …

Finally, a fragment of truth.

Jon

[Cla68]

Good grief, what does it take to get Giano elected? I figured most of the teenage admins and their buddies would vote against him, because he hasn't hidden how he feels about that WP demographic. I just didn't think they represented such a large bloc of participants.

This post has been edited by Cla68: Thu 9th December 2010, 5:05am

[radek]

Good grief, what does it take to get Giano elected? I figured most of the teenage admins and their buddies would vote against him, because he hasn't hidden how he feels about that WP demographic. I just didn't think they represented such a large bloc of participants.

Iridescent's fairly high support vote combined with Giano not making it in suggests that there's actually a good bit of demand for reform and common sense on Wikipedia, just that a lot of people don't want to/don't see Giano as the voice of this demand. My sense of it is that Giano minus the constant and overwhelming narcissism would be awesome, but Giano as Giano... still has the constant and overwhelming narcissism in it. For the record I voted for him.

Over all, pretty boring results (but oftentimes in politics, boring is good).

[Milton Roe]

Over all, pretty boring results (but oftentimes in politics, boring is good).

But not always. For example, whatever Obama is, he's not boring.

Madeleine Albright is boring. I keep her 661 page Madame Secretary by my bed, for when I run low on Xanax. Three paragraphs, maybe four, and I'm out like a light. But maybe technically that's statemanship and not quite pure politics. Though Clinton's windy doorstop was almost as good for that, till I finally finished it.

[radek]

Over all, pretty boring results (but oftentimes in politics, boring is good).

But not always. For example, whever Obama is, he's not boring.

Madeleine Albright was boring. I keep her 661 page Madame Secretary by my bed, for when I run low on Xanax. Three paragraphs, maybe four, and I'm out like a light. Clinton's windy doorstop was almost as good, but I finished it.

Yeah, well, say what you want about Hitler but he wasn't boring. All that podium pounding and self help therapy for a whole nation. And see where that ended up.