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File this under "hmmmm".... Off of "foundation-l" QUOTE From: wikimediameta-l-bounces at lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikimediameta-l-bounces at lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Slim Virgin Sent: Monday, September 03, 2007 10:25 PM To: wikimediameta-l at lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [Wikimediameta-l] Wikimedia and cyberstalking I'm writing a paper on cyberstalking and harassment, which I hope to hand to the Foundation with a view to educating people about the extent of the problem on the Wikimedia projects, and if possible improving their responses to it. I'd like to include some concrete examples of cyberstalking or offline stalking that have happened to users as a result of their participation in any of the Wikimedia projects, and particularly where the target was picked on because they were an administrator. If you've been a target of this yourself, or if you know of anyone who has, I'd appreciate hearing from you at slimvirgin at gmail dot com. All replies will be received in strictest confidence. Your name would not have to be included in the final document, and if you're worried about being exposed in any way, I can change all identifying details. Nothing will be included about you without your express permission. What I'm most interested in hearing about is how the cyberstalking or harassment made you feel, and what happened when you tried to find support. I'd like to hear about your fears; whether it made you anxious; whether it affected your sleep or appetite, or your health in any other way; and whether you considered ending your association with the project you were involved in (or did end it). Even if your fears felt completely irrational, I'd like to hear about them.I'd also like to hear from women who feel they were subjected to additional harassment because of their sex, or from gays and members of ethnic minorities who feel they were picked on in whole or in part because of that. Many thanks, Sarah _______________________________________________ Wikimediameta-l mailing list Wikimediameta-l at lists.wikimedia.org http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediameta-lSheez, most of you probably think of me as a pinko leftism neo-feminist, but she's really got some nerve to ask about "women" and "gays" feeling specific harassment. Where's Camila Paglia when you need her???
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QUOTE(the fieryangel @ Tue 4th September 2007, 4:34pm) File this under "hmmmm".... Off of "foundation-l" QUOTE Subj: [Wikimediameta-l] Wikimedia and Cyberstalking From: wikimediameta-l-bounces at lists.wikimedia.org On Behalf Of Slim Virgin Sent: Monday, September 03, 2007 10:25 PM To: wikimediameta-l at lists.wikimedia.org
I'm writing a paper on cyberstalking and harassment, which I hope to hand to the Foundation with a view to educating people about the extent of the problem on the Wikimedia projects, and if possible improving their responses to it.
I'd like to include some concrete examples of cyberstalking or offline stalking that have happened to users as a result of their participation in any of the Wikimedia projects, and particularly where the target was picked on because they were an administrator.
If you've been a target of this yourself, or if you know of anyone who has, I'd appreciate hearing from you at slimvirgin at gmail dot com. All replies will be received in strictest confidence. Your name would not have to be included in the final document, and if you're worried about being exposed in any way, I can change all identifying details. Nothing will be included about you without your express permission.
What I'm most interested in hearing about is how the cyberstalking or harassment made you feel, and what happened when you tried to find support. I'd like to hear about your fears; whether it made you anxious; whether it affected your sleep or appetite, or your health in any other way; and whether you considered ending your association with the project you were involved in (or did end it). Even if your fears felt completely irrational, I'd like to hear about them.
I'd also like to hear from women who feel they were subjected to additional harassment because of their sex, or from gays and members of ethnic minorities who feel they were picked on in whole or in part because of that.
Many thanks,
Sarah
Sheez, most of you probably think of me as a pinko leftism neo-feminist, but she's really got some nerve to ask about "women" and "gays" feeling specific harassment. Where's Camille Paglia when you need her ??? I imagine Sarah Mac "The Knife" can knock out a screenplay pretty wikipronto, but I don't how it will sell. Maybe if she retitles its CyberSilkStalkings — modulo a small bit of IP (no, the other IP) wiki-wheeler-dealing — it might just cache some producer's eye. Sadly, the perfect candidate, Ed Wood, has gone to his reward, but maybe we can find another Sucker, er, Candi-Date to pick up the option. Hint Hint … Jonny (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/cool.gif) This post has been edited by Jonny Cache:
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QUOTE(Daniel Brandt @ Tue 4th September 2007, 5:11pm) QUOTE What I'm most interested in hearing about is how the cyberstalking or harassment made you feel, and what happened when you tried to find support. I'd like to hear about your fears; whether it made you anxious; whether it affected your sleep or appetite, or your health in any other way; and whether you considered ending your association with the project you were involved in (or did end it). Even if your fears felt completely irrational, I'd like to hear about them.
Sounds to me like she believes Libyan agents are trying to kidnap her poodle. Not that I'm offering to be her agent or anything of the kind — the title of "met-agent" sounds too much like "mutagen" to look good on a bizness card — but I think we ought to help her with titles for her F&SF piece. Right now I'm torn between these three: - CyberSilkStalkings
- China Doll Slimdrone
- Driving Pierre Salinger Dazy
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QUOTE(Jonny Cache @ Tue 4th September 2007, 3:20pm) QUOTE(Daniel Brandt @ Tue 4th September 2007, 5:11pm) QUOTE What I'm most interested in hearing about is how the cyberstalking or harassment made you feel, and what happened when you tried to find support. I'd like to hear about your fears; whether it made you anxious; whether it affected your sleep or appetite, or your health in any other way; and whether you considered ending your association with the project you were involved in (or did end it). Even if your fears felt completely irrational, I'd like to hear about them.
Sounds to me like she believes Libyan agents are trying to kidnap her poodle. Not that I'm offering to be her agent or anything of the kind — the title of "met-agent" sounds too much like "mutagen" to look good on a bizness card — but I think we ought to help her with titles for her F&SF piece. Right now I'm torn between these three: - CyberSilkStalkings
- China Doll Slimdrone
- Driving Pierre Salinger Dazy
Jonny (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/cool.gif) Will there be T and A ??? The obligatory love scene with the big breasted babe? Oh well, I'm so bad...
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QUOTE(Joseph100 @ Tue 4th September 2007, 5:45pm) QUOTE(Jonny Cache @ Tue 4th September 2007, 3:20pm) QUOTE(Daniel Brandt @ Tue 4th September 2007, 5:11pm) QUOTE What I'm most interested in hearing about is how the cyberstalking or harassment made you feel, and what happened when you tried to find support. I'd like to hear about your fears; whether it made you anxious; whether it affected your sleep or appetite, or your health in any other way; and whether you considered ending your association with the project you were involved in (or did end it). Even if your fears felt completely irrational, I'd like to hear about them.
Sounds to me like she believes Libyan agents are trying to kidnap her poodle. Not that I'm offering to be her agent or anything of the kind — the title of "met-agent" sounds too much like "mutagen" to look good on a bizness card — but I think we ought to help her with titles for her F&SF piece. Right now I'm torn between these three: - CyberSilkStalkings
- China Doll Slimdrone
- Driving Pierre Salinger Dazy
Jonny (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/cool.gif) Will there be T and A ??? The obligatory love scene with the big breasted babe? Oh well, I'm so bad … There may be TA's — you'll have to ask Ms. T … But I get the feeling that you may be confusing this picture with Whatever Happened To Bimbo Jimbo, which is being shot on a lot across town — way, waaay, waaaaay across town. Jonny (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/cool.gif)
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QUOTE(Nathan @ Tue 4th September 2007, 6:23pm) Yes. Isn't that ironic?
Let's forget that it's SV for a moment. I could probably make a pretty good contribution to such a study. But considering it is SlimVirgin doing the study, and I'm here, I probably wouldn't be taken too seriously - not that it matters, of course.
Or maybe it could be a Country & Western song : I Was a CyberStalker before CyberStalking was CyberI hope y'all appreciate how tough it was for me spell Country straight … Not that I have anything agin folks who ain't straight … Jonny (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/cool.gif)
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Well...it makes sense to me. Not to be "pro-wikipedia" or anything, but, um, ah...(*trails off in silence and walks away*) (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/unsure.gif)
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Link: http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikim...ber/000018.htmlIts on meta, which nobody reads. I don't know why she bothered. Is it copied elsewhere? I wrote an essay a short time ago recognising that Wikipedia has a major problem with their facilitation of cyber stalking. See that essay here: http://wikipediareview.com/index.php?showtopic=12049In my opinion, there is no doubt or question that the structure of Wikipedia, both in terms of software and policies, strongly encourages and facilitates stalking, cyber stalking, harassment, libel and smear campaigns. That it is relatively infrequent is probably because of the subject matter rather than any deliberate act. Wikipedia is vulnerable to such things. If SlimVirgin were to attack the root cause of the problem, and to petition for change in the software and the policy to properly deal with this issue, then that is fantastic. If, however, she wishes to merely get stories out there, then she isn't helping one little bit. Personal stories are only relevant when they are completed stories, when they have resulted in a definite victory, in a conclusion. For anything else, it can put them in more danger simply by telling the story. Furthermore, note that in many cases a culprit can disguise themselves as a victim, henceforth they should act as examples not as definite proof. This is why focussing on the broad issue is important. Individual examples may in fact be misleading. As for me, I wasn't really cyber stalked on Wikipedia. I had 2 jerks harass me, follow me all around Wikipedia, I wasn't allowed to edit out their comments on my user talk page, and they took control of my user page itself. They then went to write nasty things following anything that I had written in anyone else's user talk pages, edited articles after me with nasty edit summaries and NOTHING HAPPENED. One of these people, Lulu of the Lotus-Eaters, was encouraged to do so by SlimVirgin, to try to get me to cease investigating the ban of Poetlister, to scare me off. The other one, Antaeus Feldspar, did it to try to stop anyone from investigating whether Daniel Brandt was mistreated. Both cases were more accurately cyber bullying. Both cases were facilitated by and encouraged by SlimVirgin. Now, they don't compare with real cases of cyber stalking - they were never going to affect my job, and there was a simple solution that Wikipedia could have and should have done to deal with it - to ban both of them. However, SlimVirgin's power was such that she was able to prevent that from happening, and indeed those 2 continue to behave in this way today, towards individuals when required. That again is a part of Wikipedia's problem, that the secret power leads to people like SlimVirgin having this extra power to be able to do such things as that, or to get others to do it who she then protects. Its not really cyber stalking, but it could have been quite easily. Now if SlimVirgin is going to be taking this seriously, then she needs to start by no longer promoting such cyber bullying and harassment. She can go out there and ban those 2, and anyone else who has engaged in this kind of activity, and remove all of the bans against people who she bullied to this stage. Then she can write an apology explaining why she did it, and accepting that she is to blame to a much greater extent than the people who she got to do it. Only then can she be taken seriously.
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I just sent her an e-mail: QUOTE Dear SlimVirgin, I read your message on the Wikimedia mailing list here: http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikim...ber/000018.htmlI thought that I would write a reply to you. Firstly, I have written an essay which outlines the great problems that exist on Wikipedia, and may exist to some extent on other Wikimedia projects, in terms of both software and policies. You can read this essay here: http://wikipediareview.com/index.php?showtopic=12049Secondly, I would like to describe to you my testimony of cyber stalking on Wikipedia, and how it affected me. In December 2005, I came across an "Articles for Deletion" on Daniel Brandt, and commented what my opinion was to deal with this, and worked with Jokestress to deal with it. This then got the attention of someone called "Antaeus Feldspar". He then wrote to me many very nasty things about it. I asked him to please stop, and this only served to encourage him to do more. I began deleting his comments from my user talk page, and he restored them, then he tried to get me banned for controlling the article - the article being my user talk page. He then began changing my user page, writing to other users, and in articles, and so forth. His aim was to try to discourage anyone from helping out Daniel Brandt, because he wanted to really hurt Daniel Brandt. That can be more accurately described as "cyber bullying" rather than "cyber stalking", but nonetheless it was quite upsetting. I found that Wikipedia was unwilling to do anything about it. I asked to be permitted to simply ignore him, and I received very little support. The only action that was suggested was for me to write a Request for Comment with a view to his being banned perhaps, but just as likely that I might get banned for daring to raise it. This was not a solution, and was certain to make things much worse. Soon after that, a person called Poetlister sent me an e-mail asking for my help to mediate a dispute between one of her friends and Lulu of the Lotus-Eaters. Soon after I was asked to mediate it, she was banned. I refused to investigate it, but was eventually convinced to look in to it. As soon as I began to look in to it, I was harassed by Lulu of the Lotus-Eaters, which ultimately was what convinced me to conduct a proper investigation in to the matter. It seemed that a person called "SlimVirgin" was encouraging and facilitating this harassment. Furthermore, Lulu of the Lotus-Eaters encouraged Antaeus Feldspar as well. It became intolerable, so I was forced to quit Wikipedia over it. Antaeus Feldspar in particular continued to attack me all over Wikipedia even after I had left. I was eventually banned by Kelly Martin long after I had quit. Then when my ban expired, a person called SlimVirgin deleted my page which had documented everything, and then banned Poetlister, along with a respected administrator called Runcorn. I did manage to keep a copy of the page, which is now hosted by Encyclopedia Dramatica at http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/User:Zordrac/Poetlister which you can look at if you like. I didn't fall victim to any cyber stalking on Wikipedia. However, I have previously been the victim of cyber stalking, which you can see the evidence of at http://www.toxicpink.net/I believe strongly that Wikipedia needs to change its software capabilities and its policies in order to properly deal with the serious issue of cyber stalking. They also need to get rid of the secret power structures that exist which serve to protect people who engage in these kinds of activities. I believe that one of the worst examples of cyber stalking is Amorrow, and perhaps the worst facilitators of it is SlimVirgin. I think that Wikipedia should do everything in their power to ban both of these dangerous individuals. Thank you. Adrian
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QUOTE(Jonny Cache @ Tue 4th September 2007, 9:28pm) In slimiotics, the termofart cyberstalk means to criticize SlimVirgin and her her butties on the internet. Jonny (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/cool.gif) {{↓MARKER↓}}QUOTE(Nathan @ Tue 4th September 2007, 9:50pm) If you've spent any time in the UK, you'll notice how unintentionally hilarious that sentence looks — "SlimVirgin and her sandwiches"? ( 'butty' is a Britishism for 'sandwich') Damn, dinnertime came and went without my knowing it. {{↑MARKER↑}}
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QUOTE(LamontStormstar @ Wed 5th September 2007, 2:43pm) QUOTE(blissyu2 @ Tue 4th September 2007, 9:06pm) Lots of people reading this, not many people replying. Have we already said all that can be said?
Maybe we can do thorough and detailed research on how she has been and is behind cyberstalking and make a blog post on it. Well, on Wikipedia I wasn't cyberstalked, I think the correct term is "cyberbullied". SlimVirgin herself didn't do it - but she encouraged it, and supported them doing it, and then she protected them afterwards. Of course another example was Malber. SlimVirgin didn't ask Malber to harass Selina, but when Malber started to, SlimVirgin supported him doing it. I don't know if we can go so far as to say that SlimVirgin is responsible for cyber stalking, because it doesn't seem to happen very much on Wikipedia full stop (not from what I can tell). But we can say that she is a part of the structure that exists on Wikipedia to support cyber stalking, which is just waiting for someone to abuse it.
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QUOTE(blissyu2 @ Tue 4th September 2007, 9:16pm) Link: http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikim...ber/000018.htmlIts on meta, which nobody reads. I don't know why she bothered. Is it copied elsewhere? It's on foundation-l too, (clicky) and I sort of expect it to show up elsewhere. Anyways, that will teach her to solicit emails, blissy emailed her! Look out Linda! I wouldn't get too worked up over this, whether you are pro-Linda, anti-Linda, or somewhere in between, it is the same old same old. She does not have solutions or even seek solutions to what she thinks the problem is--she just wants to tell sob stories that appeal to emotion over intellect, hoping that some reaction (presumably sympathetic to her) is stimulated. Right now I'm thinking of this "paper" as a Musical Linguist and ElinorD type epic on steroids. If you are familiar with those two, you know what I mean. I must admit, in some ways this causes me to pity her more, for her perceptions regarding these things are totally warped, which leads people to believe she is at least a hypocrite and at the most she has serious mental problems. So in a way, she has succeeded already--she has my pity.
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QUOTE(blissyu2 @ Wed 5th September 2007, 12:43am) QUOTE(LamontStormstar @ Wed 5th September 2007, 2:43pm) QUOTE(blissyu2 @ Tue 4th September 2007, 9:06pm) Lots of people reading this, not many people replying. Have we already said all that can be said?
Maybe we can do thorough and detailed research on how she has been and is behind cyberstalking and make a blog post on it. Well, on Wikipedia I wasn't cyberstalked, I think the correct term is "cyberbullied". SlimVirgin herself didn't do it — but she encouraged it, and supported them doing it, and then she protected them afterwards. Of course another example was Malber. SlimVirgin didn't ask Malber to harass Selina, but when Malber started to, SlimVirgin supported him doing it. I don't know if we can go so far as to say that SlimVirgin is responsible for cyber stalking, because it doesn't seem to happen very much on Wikipedia full stop (not from what I can tell). But we can say that she is a part of the structure that exists on Wikipedia to support cyber stalking, which is just waiting for someone to abuse it. These are good observations. The next question to ask is the one that I always ask next — Why? What does the protégé bully get and what does the patron protector get in the connivance between the two? Jonny (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/cool.gif) This post has been edited by Jonny Cache:
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QUOTE(Jonny Cache @ Wed 5th September 2007, 3:20pm) These are good observations. The next question to ask is the one that I always ask next — Why? What does the protégé bully get and what does the patron protector get in the connivance between the two? Jonny (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/cool.gif) In the Lulu case, the bully and the protector both got to control their precious articles, and got power out of it, something that they both wanted. Its pretty simple stuff. In some cases, SlimVirgin plays victim and gets knights in shining armour to protect her, hence the knights get the feeling that they are doing something good by doing it, and don't realise what is really going on. QUOTE(BobbyBombastic @ Wed 5th September 2007, 3:18pm) It's on foundation-l too, (clicky) and I sort of expect it to show up elsewhere. It has quite a few replies already: Delirium seems to think that it is a biased study that will never get accurate results.Brianna suggested it was reasonable thoughSlimVirgin suggested that cyber stalking was a big problemGeorge Herbert agreed with Delirium that it was a biased studySo will this catch on more? Will it get to WikiEN-l too? QUOTE(BobbyBombastic @ Wed 5th September 2007, 3:18pm) Anyways, that will teach her to solicit emails, blissy emailed her! Look out Linda!
She didn't reply, but I CC'ed Armed Blowfish, and Armed Blowfish replied. I think that this is akin to a cyber stalker making a page saying how awful it is that they are being stalked, so as to distract from what they are doing. "I'm not doing anything wrong! See here, there's proof!" Same kind of thing really. I think it is an attempt to illicit sympathy for her, and has no genuine aspect to it.
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QUOTE(blissyu2 @ Wed 5th September 2007, 1:16am) QUOTE(Jonny Cache @ Wed 5th September 2007, 3:20pm) These are good observations. The next question to ask is the one that I always ask next — Why? What does the protégé bully get and what does the patron protector get in the connivance between the two? Jonny (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/cool.gif) In the Lulu case, the bully and the protector both got to control their precious articles, and got power out of it, something that they both wanted. Its pretty simple stuff. In some cases, SlimVirgin plays victim and gets knights in shining armour to protect her, hence the knights get the feeling that they are doing something good by doing it, and don't realise what is really going on. My guess would be that the protégé gets — just like the word protégé says, protection — a limited immunity from prosecution for acts of aggression toward others. Maybe the protégé gets the ego-juice of believing he or she is doing something good. But we are talking about a bully here. There has got to be more to it than a feeling of doing something good. The bully gets to vent feelings of personal frustration on others who are weaker. And notice how the weak are made, not born — they are made weak precisely because they do not get the protection of the protector. But all of this only raises the question — frustration about what? As to the question of what the patron protector gets in the bargain, "Knights In Shining Armour" (KISA) is right on target, "a veritable hit", as they say. In feudal times (not all that different from our wikipheudal times), they called that fealty, in a word, loyalty — and in the bargain the incumbent pledge of service that the vassal owed to the local overlord for the promise of protection. But do you really think that being lord-lady and master-mistress over some zoo full of pet articles is really the end of it? Or is that merely the means to a more grandiose end? So the next question is — toward the greater glory of what? Jonny (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/cool.gif) This post has been edited by Jonny Cache:
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My hunch is that Virginia Slim is launching an offensive here to deflect the well-earned scrutiny of her behavior which followed the Ohmynews scandal and the revelations about her sock-puppetry. She is skilled at putting together fallacy of composition arguments, along the lines of this:
1. Many people say that they have experienced great psychic pain because they have been cyberstalked. This is especially true when they are admins. It is even more especially true when they are female admins. Nota bene: I am a female admin.
2. The recent exposés of my sockpuppetry, my previous shady activities as a putative journalist, and my general exploitation of Wikipedia for dubious purposes, were the work of cyberstalkers, who, it is said, cause great psychic pain to many people, especially admins, especially female admins, etc., etc.
3. Therefore, these recent exposés of my misconduct should be ignored, despite the fact that I am guilty as sin, so as not to give aid and comfort to the cyberstalkers.
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QUOTE(Herschelkrustofsky @ Wed 5th September 2007, 4:02pm) My hunch is that Virginia Slim is launching an offensive here to deflect the well-earned scrutiny of her behavior which followed the Ohmynews scandal and the revelations about her sock-puppetry. She is skilled at putting together fallacy of composition arguments, along the lines of this:
1. Many people say that they have experienced great psychic pain because they have been cyberstalked. This is especially true when they are admins. It is even more especially true when they are female admins. Nota bene: I am a female admin.
2. The recent exposés of my sockpuppetry, my previous shady activities as a putative journalist, and my general exploitation of Wikipedia for dubious purposes, were the work of cyberstalkers, who, it is said, cause great psychic pain to many people, especially admins, especially female admins, etc., etc.
3. Therefore, these recent exposés of my misconduct should be ignored, despite the fact that I am guilty as sin, so as not to give aid and comfort to the cyberstalkers.
My feelings entirely. Although I'd describe it as defensive rather than offensive. With all the flak she's been taking, her support is simply eroding away, her power flagging. Kelly Martin's blog post, almost demanding that she give up the ghost, was a big nail in the coffin as far as I can see. And Slim is resorting to desperate measures to retain some kind of control over her future on WP. I'd like to add that I predicted this eventuality some months ago. (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/tongue.gif)
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QUOTE(Herschelkrustofsky @ Wed 5th September 2007, 11:02am) My hunch is that Virginia Slim is launching an offensive here to deflect the well-earned scrutiny of her behavior which followed the Ohmynews scandal and the revelations about her sock-puppetry. She is skilled at putting together fallacy of composition arguments, along the lines of this: - Many people say that they have experienced great psychic pain because they have been cyberstalked. This is especially true when they are admins. It is even more especially true when they are female admins. Nota bene: I am a female admin.
- The recent exposés of my sockpuppetry, my previous shady activities as a putative journalist, and my general exploitation of Wikipedia for dubious purposes, were the work of cyberstalkers, who, it is said, cause great psychic pain to many people, especially admins, especially female admins, etc., etc.
- Therefore, these recent exposés of my misconduct should be ignored, despite the fact that I am guilty as sin, so as not to give aid and comfort to the cyberstalkers.
Of course, the big problem with WikiPseudoDemographics is that it's never the sadistics of What One Is ( WOI), but always the sadistics of What One Pretends One Is ( WOPOI). This naturally creates a peculiar brand of equivocation when one charges others with discrimination and persecution on the basis of WOPOI. To wit, or not, you cannot really claim that they persecute you because you are X, you can only claim that they persecute you because you pretend to be X. So maybe it's the pretense that really pisses people off. Did you ever think of that ??? Noooooooooo … Jonny (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/cool.gif)
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