OrangeMarlin speaks his mind, (and then possibly dies) Options

[carbuncle]

Parting thoughts

For the past six months, I have been very ill with a type of heart disease that can be end-stage if not treated well. For the last three months, I've had to give up many of my pleasures in life, including riding a motorcycle and hiking. Luckily, I've been able to maintain a reasonable lifestyle with medication, but it was always a temporary measure. I've done a few things over the past few months that I had always planned to do. I camped in Tioga Pass above Yosemite National Park. Still about 4 metres (13 ft) of snow up there. I stood at 12,000 feet (3,700 m) above sea level touching some of the remnant glaciers of the last ice age melting away because of stupid Republican anti-science dumbfuckedness (my word, don't use it). I sat inside the giant Long Valley Caldera in Eastern California. If this thing ever blows, mankind could experience a population bottleneck of epic proportions. I stood inside the exploded volcano of which Mount Lassen is a part. Oh, over 30 feet (9.1 m) of snow. We had an amazing winter. The thin air was painful, but these are sights that I wish you all could see.

Anyways, I'm undergoing an experimental medical procedure that is the result of real science and evidence based medicine. It doesn't require faith or magic or belief in magical sky beings, it merely requires well trained surgeons, great devices developed and tested by Americans in California, and with medications from Big Pharma. And it will be paid for by my private healthcare insurance that is sadly available because I have the money to buy it. Even still, my chances are not high.

I left this place 2 years ago, because it's run by little self-important admins who think their shit doesn't stink. That isn't a blanket statement, because there are a few good admins, but not enough. Right now, there is a fucked up RfA where a little punk who plagiarizes content has got a bunch of fucking votes for admin. Lucky for us, SandyGeorgia (talk · contribs) outed him/her. But how many do we get that aren't outed.

* Dreadstar (talk · contribs) lied at his RfA, totally lied, and protects little POV-pushing fucktards like Ludwigs2 (talk · contribs). Dreadstar should get desysopped, and thrown into fucking Wikipedia hell for that lie. Yes, Dreadstar, you're a fucking two-faced loser. You're life is so pathetic, that you lied to get an admin. There's this thing about those who lie about the little shit, you probably lie about the big stuff. My guess is that you'll be in prison in a couple of years. I mean lying to be an admin, I just think that's laughable And very sad. What can you expect from a psychopath.

* Fences and windows (talk · contribs) You contemptible, little twat. Threatening me with a block for saying FUCK. Then threatening an Arbcom member with a block for saying that you are fucking full of shit. Fences and Windows, you must suck Dreadstar's cock, because honestly, you live in his basement. What a loser you are.

* DMSBel (talk · contribs) Go fuck yourself you pathetic little obsessive little punk. Roe v Wade is the law of the land, and your right wing agenda means nothing. Abortions are part of the modern world, and an unviable fetus does not die. It's just a bunch of fucking cells you sanctimonious obsessive little fuck. Go download porn, because your obsession with sex is clearly an indicator of a guy who gets his jollies from porn. And you should be prepared for a huge boomerang up your ass, but you might enjoy it. Obviously, it's part of your sex addiction, you wretched lamentable pile of horseshit.

* Ludwigs2 (talk · contribs) You're gone, so I shouldn't kick a fucktard in the balls, but you narcissistic personality disorder is beyond belief. I guess you come here because you lack friends. Oh well, you're wallowing in your pit of despair, so I guess I don't care.

* FT2 (talk · contribs) Wow, the purloined emails proved to everyone what I already knew. You are an immoral, unethical creep. You are disgusting as a human being. I'm glad Arbcom fucked you up one side and down the other, because you are probably the most reprehensible individuals on Wikipedia.

* Cla68 (talk · contribs) You are a fucking coward of the most heinous kind. You accuse individuals who don't agree with you of having Asperger's syndrome. Obviously, you know nothing about it, but it is a terrible disease. You invent cabals. You throw out nonsense wherever you can. You never read or understand anything about which you profess knowledge. Then you go running to Wikipedia review to whine like a little fucking baby that you are. You are so childish that I find you almost pathetic. I would say you were living in your mommy's basement, but I think your mommy tucks you in at night. You sir are a complete loser, and really you should move on.

Wikipedia is an interesting, but flawed experiment in knowledge. it is a major failure in getting experienced and knowledgeable writers to edit articles. Two of the world's experts on Global warming, both of whom are Ph.D.'s in real science, but neither get to do much. One was defrocked. The other defrocked himself. No real academic would put his real name on any articles here because the anti-science culture of Wikipedia would block it.

I was fighting a battle on Reincarnation research. Give me a fucking break, but there isn't one stitch of evidence anywhere in any of the psychic fields. There are no ghosts. There are no angels. There are no fucking gods. And yes, despite what someone said, the absence of evidence, especially when you expect to see evidence IS evidence of absence. We've looked for the Lochness monster. It does not exist. We've looked for reincarnation. It isn't there. The stupidity is just stupid.

There's more to say, but I guess I don't give too much of a shit. I hope there will be real change here, but I doubt it. Jimbo Wales has bought into the right wing POV pushers, or he would have stopped the travesty done to William Connelly. He actually tried to get a bogus medical procedure to remain on here as an article, and he was FUCKING WRONG. Yes, Jimbo, you were wrong, and you never ever apologized for being wrong. You should go back to your porn with DMSbel, because you are truly useless. I used to respect you. No, your anti-intellectual, anti-academic, and anti-science regime has come into being. I think you've lived in the New Age bullshit for way too long. Oh, I was wrong about Trevor's not knowing Germ theory. He didn't know ANYTHING about science and medicine. Trevor was and is a charlatan.

But, Wikipedia has a chance to be great. Seriously great. If a real leader (come on Jimbo, you actually can do it if you quit the attempt at pure democracy), states a vision and makes everyone adhere to that vision. Convince the real editors to stay, and realize that great editors make great mistakes. Useless editors make lots of useless mistakes. Take the former, get rid of the latter. And end the incessant whining and drama on Arbcom and the various AN/I's. Who gives a flying fuck about civility? What counts is productivity and quality PERIOD. I run a fucking company. We care about the customer, and that's it. Wikipedia's customer are people trying to get accurate information. Every college in the world (OK, maybe not all) bans Wikipedia as a source. That is just wrong, and shows a lack of leadership to move this place to mean something. I won't tell you what I make an hour in real life, but it's a lot more than probably 99.9% of the people editing here. And I've given this project thousands of those hours. That's valuable, and I guess that's why I don't give a shit about what some whiny admin thinks of me. They can go back to their basement. I get to bring another medical device to the market, make millions off of it, and save lives. There are doctors here who do the same thing. There are professors here who are bringing the best and brightest into the working world. And then there are a bunch of your loser admins sitting in the basement. I wouldn't give them the time of day in real life.

Well, I'll either be dead or alive by Monday morning. I'm hoping for the alive, but the odds don't favor it. If I make it, I may or may not come back, I may reappear as a sock. Oh horrors! Or, if I'm dead, well, as it says on some anonymous headstone, "I now know more than all of you." And dammit, if I do get reincarnated as a cockroach, I intend to burrow myself into Cla69's brain...though there might not be much there. Fuck the world!

Yo Boris. Leave some pithy comment here. I'll read it on my iPhone while I spend some time with friends over the next few days. I hope some cowardly douche fuckwad of an admin doesn't delete this comment with that delete tool. In fact, I hope someone does try, so that real admins will revert. It may be fun to watch.

To you asshat POV-pushing dumbfucks...go fuck yourselves. Seriously do it for humanity, because you are not that important.

Hans Adler...I don't get you. But you're German, and my people have a certain sensitivity to the Huns. Michael C Price...I don't agree with about 75% of what you write, but as Hans says, it's a technicolor world. You really know your geology, stick to that.

Couple of more things. Go Orange. Go Marlins. And I wish I could eat a giant, fatty piece of prime rib. Anyways, au revoir, auf wiedersehen, goodbye. What a Long Strange Trip It's Been.OrangeMarlin Talk• Contributions 05:13, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

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[powercorrupts]

At least he's finally admitted to running a company - but it's the fact that it's a medical one selling products to the industry that's always made him COI problematic. I read him boasting about it a 'how to make a million' thread on website once: someone called orangemarlin that was unmistakably him.

Knowing OM the bully (rather than the 'saviour of sense'), I can't help feeling that the first paragraph, effecting though it is, is essentially there to temper his typically abusive attacks on people he doesn't like. My big issue with him was how he treated new editors editing on medical issues. He very often simply refused to do AGF (which isn't always easy – but it's a reasonable start), and wasn't interested in even attempting for balance and weight if he didn't like something (ie religion or 'complementary health'). People would come to Wikipedia either with serious health problems (or had loved ones with them), bump into OM and essentially get some shockingly OTT abuse for writing the wrong thing. I wonder how many people he's sent away quite upset in his editing career. The irony here is that when you have a congenital illness or terminal disease - which some of OM's editing areas were about - even 'scientific' people look at non 'pharmo-approved' ways to save their lives, or at least ease the symptoms.

There's always been a battle in society between the extremes of the lobbying pharmos and the snake oil salesmen - though OM was so on the 'pharmo medical' side he wasn't even comfortable with care issues weighing down the 'Serious' side of things. There seemed to almost be a macho value attached to it. Now he has a terminal disease, all he can do it seems is carry on being a bully and dream of spare ribs, of all things. And he's still calling other people 'losers'. His talk page had a real 'Men's Club' as Facebook page feel to it - and he wasn't the only one to blame for that. It's hard not to judge editors on how they react to OM. His strength of course was that despite his enemies, he knew the value of making friends.

By the way, do Jews in the US still use the corny "my people" line? I accept that being Jewish is more than just the religious side, but that card he plays really rubs against his aggressive atheism.

[Milton Roe]

By the way, do Jews in the US still use the corny "my people" line? I accept that being Jewish is more than just the religious side, but that card he plays really rubs against his aggressive atheism.

Why so? Half the Jews in Israel are secular. They define Jewish as ethnicity not religion when it suits then to do so (whether they wish to claim religious or ethnic persecuation). When "OM" says "my people" he means "my clan". My tribe. The people who look like me and have my culture.

IOW, the very stuff he'd be screaming was "racist" if anybody else did it about their own blood, clan, culture, etc.

Do many Jews want this issue both ways? Yes, they do.

A small example: suppose you want to earn money by lighting the fires and flipping the switches of orthodox Jews on the sabbath. And you're Christian or atheist. That's fine with orthodox Jews. But if you're genetically Jewish (if your mother is genetically Jew, and HER mother was genetically Jewish and so on) then you can't have this job. It is against orthodox law, and would be a sin, for them to employ anybody with a Jewish bloodline to do this, no matter if they were not at all observant, or indeed not even if they had converted to Christianity or some other religion. It's basically a racist hiring decision, since it's based on genetics-only. End.

[Sololol]

A small example: suppose you want to earn money by lighting the fires and flipping the switches of orthodox Jews on the sabbath. And you're Christian or atheist. That's fine with orthodox Jews. But if you're genetically Jewish (if your mother is genetically Jew, and HER mother was genetically Jewish and so on) then you can't have this job. It is against orthodox law, and would be a sin, for them to employ anybody with a Jewish bloodline to do this, no matter if they were not at all observant, or indeed not even if they had converted to Christianity or some other religion. It's basically a racist hiring decision, since it's based on genetics-only. End.

Tsk, tsk, Milton. To my great horror I must join with Wikifan in reprimanding you. Not because I get a self-righteous kick out of all calling people bigots but because that's only one interpretation of halacha which sucks all the fun right out of it. It depends on which rabbi you ask. Are we talking about the Ashkenazic, Sephardic or Mizrachi tradition? Haredi? Modern Orthodox? Some rabbis maintain that it's forbidden to employ anyone at all on the sabbath as even animals are supposed to be resting and treating non-Jews worse than animals wouldn't be very sporting. Others say it's allowed only if it's not specified when the work must take place, or if you are paying by the job and not hourly, or if the (non)-employee benefits from the work but you don't. Some liberal rabbis might allow an apostate/secular Jew to serve as a shabbos goy. I find all of it terribly fascinating as these kinds of debates have raged for centuries. But yes, sticking to the pre-modern definitions that draw no line between ethnic origin and religion (look at the Samaritans! want to join? too bad, no outsiders allowed), and there are many interpretations that say someone born to a Jewish woman is a Jew and thats that, conflicts with the modern notion that assigning indelible traits to people based on origin is a really bad idea. You are generally correct that a number of Orthodox interpretations run counter to the traditional Western view which makes a lot of Jews uncomfortable. Hence why Reform doesn't.

But I guess it's just easier to call people dicks if they criticize a practice of a group you feel some connection to instead of trying to have a civilized conversation about why you think it was improper. Especially if that seems to be your only purpose on the Internet. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/yak.gif)
Derail over.

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[melloden]

Risker has removed the commentary about the specific users, but note how she doesn't redact the "attacks" against Jimbo.