Breivik Options

[FightingMac]

Anyone know what Breivik's user name was on the Norwegian wiki? Whether his posts are still available to research (if not why not?). I want to see how extreme he was and what Wikipedia's response was (cordially welcoming in jolly good faith is my guess).

Still haven't found if MuZemike belongs to a Tea Party BTW. I'm considering ordering a wet job anyway just in case. Well you can never be too careful.

{*Fuck, I nearly put four tildes after that ...*}

[Michaeldsuarez]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Pentagon_shooting

John Patrick Bedell (JPatrickBedell) was a Wikipedian:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contr.../JPatrickBedell

Wikipedia is apparently a magnet for crazies obsessed with conspiracy / fringe theories.

[Web Fred]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Pentagon_shooting

John Patrick Bedell (JPatrickBedell) was a Wikipedian:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contr.../JPatrickBedell

Wikipedia is apparently a magnet for crazies obsessed with conspiracy / fringe theories.

So that's why Kohs does what he does eh?

[FightingMac]

[quote name='Michaeldsuarez' post='304310' date='Tue 17th April 2012, 10:37pm'][quote] (snip) ...
Wikipedia is apparently a magnet for crazies obsessed with conspiracy / fringe theories.
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Yes, I do agree. My problem with it are all the fucknuts with 100,000 plus edits who welcome them in (you would thought by that time some reality had sunk in).

Thanks for this, I'll check it out.

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So that's why Kohs does what he does eh?

What does he do?

[Web Fred]

So that's why Kohs does what he does eh?

What does he do?

Stalks Jimbo from what I can see, or at least obsesses over him

[Emperor]

This is really quite sad. We all saw it coming for a long time, but here we have real world fatalities as a result of Wikipedia.

Obviously the guy was obsessed with "Battlefield Wikipedia" as he wrote in his manifesto. Staying up late at night, reading articles about demographic changes in Europe and getting picked on by other nerds probably egged on his hate and paranoia.

Wikipedia strives mightily to dehumanize people and categorize them as mere widgets in shoeboxes, as you have races and ethnicities handily catalogued in a format that would be instantly recognized by the Social Darwinists of the early 20th century. Want to know the percentage of Kurds in Turkey, or the religion of some famous person, or whether they had a Jewish grandparent, it's all right there. Yes, it's factual, sort of, but it's really a sort of antiquated kind of thinking that talks about people that way. Wikipedia should be better than that.

No, I'm not blaming this 100% on Wikipedia but I think if this individual had picked a different hobby he'd probably have been in a less homicidal state of mind.

[Fusion]

So that's why Kohs does what he does eh?

What does he do?

I do wonder what he does. I have wondered since he admitted that he did not know what data fusion is although it is a common tool in market research. I am now told, if I understand another thread correctly, that he is not familiar with Nielsen, the World's largest market research firm, or at least with their subordinate Nielsen Media Research (T-H-L-K-D). Would it not be funny if he is not whom he claims?

[Emperor]

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[FightingMac]

This is really quite sad. We all saw it coming for a long time, but here we have real world fatalities as a result of Wikipedia.

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No, I'm not blaming this 100% on Wikipedia but I think if this individual had picked a different hobby he'd probably have been in a less homicidal state of mind.

Yes, that's my guess too. Presumably there was a serious element of disassociation involved as well, after a year of editing Wikipedia obsessively (did he claim 15,000 hours?) and playing "World of Warcraft".

I take it that sooner or later a source will apear analysing his contributions to Wikipedia? I really want to study that, and especially his interaction with the community.

[Fusion]

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Fair enough. Can some kind mod split it off please?

[Emperor]

Yes, that's my guess too. Presumably there was a serious element of disassociation involved as well, after a year of editing Wikipedia obsessively (did he claim 15,000 hours?) and playing "World of Warcraft".

I take it that sooner or later a source will apear analysing his contributions to Wikipedia? I really want to study that, and especially his interaction with the community.

Back when I edited regularly (years ago), I came across some creepy white supremacist types. The place is full of them. Subtle ones and not so subtle. We've really only scratched the surface of how Wikipedia is being used as a platform to spread hate and recruit young people into that culture.

[FightingMac]

Back when I edited regularly (years ago), I came across some creepy white supremacist types. The place is full of them. Subtle ones and not so subtle. We've really only scratched the surface of how Wikipedia is being used as a platform to spread hate and recruit young people into that culture.

Yes, I agree. That's why it's so important that Breivik's interaction with Wikipedia is made public for all to scrutinise.

[timbo]

This is really quite sad. We all saw it coming for a long time, but here we have real world fatalities as a result of Wikipedia. * * *

No, I'm not blaming this 100% on Wikipedia but I think if this individual had picked a different hobby he'd probably have been in a less homicidal state of mind.

Jesus, talk about false causation...

Wikipedia doesn't cause fascist mass murderers, even though at least one fascist mass murderer has edited at Wikipedia. You think the photo of this thug preening in front of a camera with an automatic rifle and wearing a "Marxist Hunter" patch before shooting up a bunch of kids at a Social Democratic youth camp was avoidable if only he "had picked a different hobby." HA! Yeah, right.

Here's today's newspaper quote from this asswipe: "No, I am not a child murderer. If you take up membership in a political party and seek a leadership position, then you have chosen."

Gosh, if only he had limited himself to reading Encyclopedia Britannica, none of this would have happened!!!

Fucking stupid comment...


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[Somey]

Gosh, if only he had limited himself to reading Encyclopedia Britannica, none of this would have happened!!!

Fucking stupid comment...

Overstated/exaggerated, yes, but "fucking stupid," no. It would be more accurate to say that Wikipedia activity (particularly on contentious topics) exacerbates narcissistic tendencies in certain individuals, to the point where they might develop into full-blown sociopathy.

In that sense, the term "certain individuals" would refer to someone who not only has latent-sociopathic traits, but also lacks other talents or abilities that might lead him or her in a direction that would be more socially positive/constructive (i.e., art, scholarship, invention, possibly athletics, etc.) and away from directions that are less socially constructive (politics, religious extremism, high finance). The reason we say that Wikipedia is "fundamentally irresponsible" is that the people running such a website must know (unless they're complete idiots, which I'll admit is a possibility) that while most of the user-participants will still be in the former category, the number of people in the latter category will be significantly higher than what you'd find in the general population, simply because the proportion of narcissists in general will be much higher.

It's also important to note that Wikipedia edit-warring gives people a means of practicing the mental gyrations required to develop sociopathic ideologies, the way a baseball player practices by spending hours in a batting cage - whereas a non-editable information source would not do that.

So, Mr. Emperor may be off-base in implying that Wikipedianism was the cause of Breivik's murder-spree, but if all he really meant was that Wikipedianism probably contributed to it, I personally don't think that's especially off-base at all.

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[Emperor]

So, Mr. Emperor may be off-base in implying that Wikipedianism was the cause of Breivik's murder-spree, but if all he really meant was that Wikipedianism probably contributed to it, I personally don't think that's especially off-base at all.

Well, yes, though I think you're being generous with the hyperliteral-minded Wikipedian and his "fucking stupid" comment. The way their little brains work, they find some phrase like "as a result of", interpret it as a chance to oversimplify, and then blast away at the argument they themselves create.

Timbo sounds like a good Wikipedia gamer, probably can't wait to get in his zingers, sign those four tildas, and wait for a response from some equally-addicted and pathetic loser somewhere.

[powercorrupts]

Wikipedia gives convenience with one hand and takes sanity with the other. Underneath its library of casual explanations lies a demonic hate site, where the angry and bloodthirsty drag sleeping dogs and bring them back to life. There is endless hate out there that can be reanimated until nothing else is left. WP is the eternal battleground, designed to 're-spawn' every dying warrior. And it's becoming so much like a newspaper that editors all over the globe are forced to read it. How many of them lose site of the chicken and egg?

[Web Fred]

He did what he did because he's a fucking nutter, not because of Wikipedia, or because of video games, or because he only started wanking when he was 16 or because the wind was blowing from the wrong direction on any given day.

He's a sociopath, he has bats in the belfry, he's a teacake short of a picnic, his lift doesn't go all the way to the top floor...etc.

Sheesh. I wish people would stop looking beyond the obvious to blame something they personally don't like.

Wikipedia gives convenience with one hand and takes sanity with the other. Underneath its library of casual explanations lies a demonic hate site, where the angry and bloodthirsty drag sleeping dogs and bring them back to life. There is endless hate out there that can be reanimated until nothing else is left. WP is the eternal battleground, designed to 're-spawn' every dying warrior. And it's becoming so much like a newspaper that editors all over the globe are forced to read it. How many of them lose site of the chicken and egg?

Don't talk like a cunt.

Wikipedia is a geek's version of Facebook. Nothing more, nothing less.

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Wikipedia is a geek's version of Facebook. Nothing more, nothing less.

2001-2003: Original users
2004-2006: Old users
2007-2010: New users
2011-?: Cancerous users

[Web Fred]

Wikipedia is a geek's version of Facebook. Nothing more, nothing less.

2001-2003: Original users
2004-2006: Old users
2007-2010: New users
2011-?: Cancerous users

Nah, 2011-?: Late to the party lusers.

[Text]

Wikipedia gives convenience with one hand and takes sanity with the other. Underneath its library of casual explanations lies a demonic hate site, where the angry and bloodthirsty drag sleeping dogs and bring them back to life. There is endless hate out there that can be reanimated until nothing else is left. WP is the eternal battleground, designed to 're-spawn' every dying warrior. And it's becoming so much like a newspaper that editors all over the globe are forced to read it. How many of them lose site of the chicken and egg?

Untold years ago, the basement dwellers, the mysterious Online Geeks, constructed the Web Arena from the byets of the even more mysterious Project ARPAnet, for their own infernal amusement. Virtually nothing is known of these beings except that they savor the carnage and clamor of world wide web battles. As such, they have stocked the site with the greatest keyboard warriors of all time. And you have just joined their ranks.

As a gladiator inside the Web Arena, you must not only survive periodic participations on an array of subdivided sections of the Web itself, but also win each and every battle against ever more powerful opponents. Don't worry overly much about getting "banned". The Geeks won't be cheated of their favorite sport by a little thing like blocks. Those who fall are instantly restored to life and immediately thrust back into the battle, perhaps a little wiser for their misfortunes.

When the drama, grief, and negative emotions settle, all warriors will have earned the right to battle again, providing further entertainment for the Geeks. But only the internet warrior who has griefed the most foes will be lauded as the winner. The victorious warrior then advances to a more challenging array of sites whenever he wishes, as long as new sites are progressively created.

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Nah, 2011-?: Late to the party lusers.

I wonder how SlimVirgin, Jayjg, and company feel now. They're aged over 50 in a sea of illiterate underage kids!

[Web Fred]

Nah, 2011-?: Late to the party lusers.

I wonder how SlimVirgin, Jayjg, and company feel now. They're aged over 50 in a sea of illiterate underage kids!

Same way I do probably, being over 50 myself.

[powercorrupts]

He did what he did because he's a fucking nutter, not because of Wikipedia, or because of video games, or because he only started wanking when he was 16 or because the wind was blowing from the wrong direction on any given day.

He's a sociopath, he has bats in the belfry, he's a teacake short of a picnic, his lift doesn't go all the way to the top floor...etc.

Sheesh. I wish people would stop looking beyond the obvious to blame something they personally don't like.

Wikipedia gives convenience with one hand and takes sanity with the other. Underneath its library of casual explanations lies a demonic hate site, where the angry and bloodthirsty drag sleeping dogs and bring them back to life. There is endless hate out there that can be reanimated until nothing else is left. WP is the eternal battleground, designed to 're-spawn' every dying warrior. And it's becoming so much like a newspaper that editors all over the globe are forced to read it. How many of them lose site of the chicken and egg?

Don't talk like a cunt.

Wikipedia is a geek's version of Facebook. Nothing more, nothing less.

You really are mindless aren't you?

How can you make a comparison like that and say "Nothing more, nothing less"? Try expanding your brain.

But of course you don't need to do you? You simply 'know better' than all the professionals who decided that Breivik can be classed as a *sane* martyr to right-wing extremism. According to you he is merely "bats in the belfry" (etc - including a sociopath? Look it up. He wants a specific society.). But you wouldn't want him to be close to you would you? I mean the anti-Islamic thing? No, no, - him, he's just plain insane.

Nah, 2011-?: Late to the party lusers.

I wonder how SlimVirgin, Jayjg, and company feel now. They're aged over 50 in a sea of illiterate underage kids!

Same way I do probably, being over 50 myself.

You have an IQ over 50? I don't believe it.

[Web Fred]

He did what he did because he's a fucking nutter, not because of Wikipedia, or because of video games, or because he only started wanking when he was 16 or because the wind was blowing from the wrong direction on any given day.

He's a sociopath, he has bats in the belfry, he's a teacake short of a picnic, his lift doesn't go all the way to the top floor...etc.

Sheesh. I wish people would stop looking beyond the obvious to blame something they personally don't like.

Wikipedia gives convenience with one hand and takes sanity with the other. Underneath its library of casual explanations lies a demonic hate site, where the angry and bloodthirsty drag sleeping dogs and bring them back to life. There is endless hate out there that can be reanimated until nothing else is left. WP is the eternal battleground, designed to 're-spawn' every dying warrior. And it's becoming so much like a newspaper that editors all over the globe are forced to read it. How many of them lose site of the chicken and egg?

Don't talk like a cunt.

Wikipedia is a geek's version of Facebook. Nothing more, nothing less.

You really are mindless aren't you?

How can you make a comparison like that and say "Nothing more, nothing less"? Try expanding your brain.

But of course you don't need to do you? You simply 'know better' than all the professionals who decided that Breivik can be classed as a *sane* martyr to right-wing extremism. According to you he is merely "bats in the belfry" (etc - including a sociopath? Look it up. He wants a specific society.). But you wouldn't want him to be close to you would you? I mean the anti-Islamic thing? No, no, - him, he's just plain insane.

Oh dear, another tosser who thinks he has more brainpower than he actually does and tries to prove it by looking for things that aren't there.

He's not nutso for deciding he wants something different. He's fucking puddled for his choice of method of how to achieve it.

Nah, 2011-?: Late to the party lusers.

I wonder how SlimVirgin, Jayjg, and company feel now. They're aged over 50 in a sea of illiterate underage kids!

Same way I do probably, being over 50 myself.

You have an IQ over 50? I don't believe it.

Believe it or not, if you put a 1 in front of that figure and you're close to the truth.

But having said that it just demonstrates that you are just another wally who doesn't know the difference between intellect and intelligence.

I shall now giggle girlishly every time you post your verbal diarrhoea knowing that you're a prize prune who thinks that using long words and lots of text equates to knowing what you're on about.

What a prat you are!

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[Somey]

Frankly, both of you are indulging in a lot of low-value binary thinking here. "He's either insane or he's not," "Wikipedia is either a cause of sociopathy or it isn't," etc., etc. No in-betweens for you!

Don't any of you see shades of grey in anything? Degrees of sanity/insanity, degrees of responsibility, culpability? Obviously Mr. Fred has a problem seeing differences between human beings in general, as he apparently despises just about all of them, but that happens when you get older, I guess. (IQ-related claims notwithstanding.)

A person can be insane for lots of reasons. Doesn't have to be just one, in fact there almost never is just one. Lots of things can contribute, make things better, make things worse. People are complicated. The point here, as if it wasn't obvious to anyone without an agenda, is that Wikipedia would have made things worse in this particular case. And it would be a simple-enough observation, even if it wasn't based on his own statements.

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[FightingMac]

... Overstated/exaggerated, yes, but "fucking stupid," no. It would be more accurate to say that Wikipedia activity (particularly on contentious topics) exacerbates narcissistic tendencies in certain individuals, to the point where they might develop into full-blown sociopathy.

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So, Mr. Emperor may be off-base in implying that Wikipedianism was the cause of Breivik's murder-spree, but if all he really meant was that Wikipedianism probably contributed to it, I personally don't think that's especially off-base at all.

Yes, nice analysis. But what I am actually interested most is seeing how the Wikipedia community received him.

Regarding the Wikipedia is nothing more than a Facebook for geeks comment below, readers might like to look at this user account that came on to my radar screen a couple of days ago as pretty typical of the sort of thing we are seeing today http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jasper_Deng. This, of course, is a high school kid not even in college. With just 81 edits he was already applying for adminship http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=258478604. Of course he is being mentored by existing admins, and so it rolls on ...

It's pretty depressing I think.

[powercorrupts]

Frankly, both of you are indulging in a lot of low-value binary thinking here. "He's either insane or he's not," "Wikipedia is either a cause of sociopathy or it isn't," etc., etc. No in-betweens for you!

Don't any of you see shades of grey in anything? Degrees of sanity/insanity, degrees of responsibility, culpability? Obviously Mr. Fred has a problem seeing differences between human beings in general, as he apparently despises just about all of them, but that happens when you get older, I guess. (IQ-related claims notwithstanding.)

A person can be insane for lots of reasons. Doesn't have to be just one, in fact there almost never is just one. Lots of things can contribute, make things better, make things worse. People are complicated. The point here, as if it wasn't obvious to anyone without an agenda, is that Wikipedia would have made things worse in this particular case. And it would be a simple-enough observation, even if it wasn't based on his own statements.

Sorry this really is you at your inbetweening daftest, Somey. Where is your subtly here? This is not even just a legal matter.

As you I'm sure you know, Mr. Fred is unlikely to be over 50. Take it from me - mature adults don't use those particular meaning-isolated guff words over here. I think you can tell he's young straight away - he's too childish in general. I might be wrong (about the literal age) - by hey - how can I know for sure?

Secondly, we get a lot on this story in the UK, obviously. Breivik actually claimed to come here for a right wing meeting (and that may not even be true). I'm not being "binary - his 'sanity' is a clinical decision that attached to law.

It's just such an enormously important distinction in Europe, as we've suffered so terribly from fascism in the past. Breivik (who they accept could be a liar and actually a fantasist too - but not within the definition of insane) is part of a wider wave of fascism (properly organised or otherwise) that Mr Fred no-doubt won't accept is really there. It is just not beneficial for any of us to risk underestimating fascism by labelling its various supporters (the swastika wearers esp) 'insane', when they are simply as committed as so very many have been in the past.

Europe has been predominantly on the right for years now, and there have been unsubtle mutterings about 'multiculturalism' not working from the top of actual governments - most hideously from Merkel in Germany, and unbelievably winked at by Cameron. They esp pick up on this irresponsible stupidity in Scandinavia (the socialist people - not just Breivik types), where they've done so much to support broadening their society. We don't have Labour camps like that in the UK for example - they would love it, but simply aren't socialist and progressive enough any more.

They have to make the distinction here for a number of reasons.

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[Web Fred]

As you I'm sure you know, Mr. Fred is unlikely to be over 50. Take it from me - mature adults don't use those particular meaning-isolated guff words over here. I think you can tell he's young straight away - he's too childish in general. I might be wrong (about the literal age) - by hey - how can I know for sure?

Like I said...what a cunt!

[Emperor]

As you I'm sure you know, Mr. Fred is unlikely to be over 50. Take it from me - mature adults don't use those particular meaning-isolated guff words over here. I think you can tell he's young straight away - he's too childish in general. I might be wrong (about the literal age) - by hey - how can I know for sure?

Like I said...what a cunt!

I can't wait for the "Web Fred text generator" to be invented. Just mix these words: "tosser", "cunt", "prat", "diarrhoea", and you have about 80% of it.

I'd say he doesn't really sound British but I heard the princes talking on the news and yes they do sound that idiotic.

[powercorrupts]

As you I'm sure you know, Mr. Fred is unlikely to be over 50. Take it from me - mature adults don't use those particular meaning-isolated guff words over here. I think you can tell he's young straight away - he's too childish in general. I might be wrong (about the literal age) - by hey - how can I know for sure?

Like I said...what a cunt!

I can't wait for the "Web Fred text generator" to be invented. Just mix these words: "tosser", "cunt", "prat", "diarrhoea", and you have about 80% of it.

I'd say he doesn't really sound British but I heard the princes talking on the news and yes they do sound that idiotic.

Did you just call the princes 'they'?

Where is your sense of position Emperor?

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As you I'm sure you know, Mr. Fred is unlikely to be over 50. Take it from me - mature adults don't use those particular meaning-isolated guff words over here. I think you can tell he's young straight away - he's too childish in general. I might be wrong (about the literal age) - by hey - how can I know for sure?

And here we discover that Fred is actually Mary, 12 f Manchester, with a few fuck buddies under the belt already as she likes being passed around like a blunt in clubs. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/stepcarefully.gif)

[Web Fred]

As you I'm sure you know, Mr. Fred is unlikely to be over 50. Take it from me - mature adults don't use those particular meaning-isolated guff words over here. I think you can tell he's young straight away - he's too childish in general. I might be wrong (about the literal age) - by hey - how can I know for sure?

And here we discover that Fred is actually Mary, 12 f Manchester, with a few fuck buddies under the belt already as she likes being passed around like a blunt in clubs. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/stepcarefully.gif)

Oh if only. It would mean that I'd be getting more than I am at present!

[Zoloft]

As you I'm sure you know, Mr. Fred is unlikely to be over 50. Take it from me - mature adults don't use those particular meaning-isolated guff words over here. I think you can tell he's young straight away - he's too childish in general. I might be wrong (about the literal age) - by hey - how can I know for sure?

And here we discover that Fred is actually Mary, 12 f Manchester, with a few fuck buddies under the belt already as she likes being passed around like a blunt in clubs. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/stepcarefully.gif)

Web Fred has a pretty well established real-life identity, and has demonstrably pushed 50 over the cliff. On his behalf may I suggest that you two are projecting (T-H-L-K-D)?
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[Web Fred]

As you I'm sure you know, Mr. Fred is unlikely to be over 50. Take it from me - mature adults don't use those particular meaning-isolated guff words over here. I think you can tell he's young straight away - he's too childish in general. I might be wrong (about the literal age) - by hey - how can I know for sure?

And here we discover that Fred is actually Mary, 12 f Manchester, with a few fuck buddies under the belt already as she likes being passed around like a blunt in clubs. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/stepcarefully.gif)

Web Fred has a pretty well established real-life identity, and has demonstrably pushed 50 over the cliff. On his behalf may I suggest that you two are projecting (T-H-L-K-D)?
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I do? (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/wtf.gif)

[powercorrupts]

As you I'm sure you know, Mr. Fred is unlikely to be over 50. Take it from me - mature adults don't use those particular meaning-isolated guff words over here. I think you can tell he's young straight away - he's too childish in general. I might be wrong (about the literal age) - by hey - how can I know for sure?

And here we discover that Fred is actually Mary, 12 f Manchester, with a few fuck buddies under the belt already as she likes being passed around like a blunt in clubs. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/stepcarefully.gif)

Web Fred has a pretty well established real-life identity, and has demonstrably pushed 50 over the cliff. On his behalf may I suggest that you two are projecting (T-H-L-K-D)?
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Established where?

[Text]

Established where?

His name seems to be Kurt, according to some pictures at commons he uploaded.

Namefagging everywhere.



>Breivik

[Text]

Breivik played violent video games http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/apr/1...ik-call-of-duty

Call Jack Thompson!

[Fusion]

Did you just call the princes 'they'?

Where is your sense of position Emperor?

I am shocked to find an editor here who thinks that an emperor is a prince!

Not only is an emperor not a prince, indeed many emperors were never princes. All the early emperors were in the Roman Empire where there was no such concept. Nor was Napoleon never a prince.

[powercorrupts]

Did you just call the princes 'they'?

Where is your sense of position Emperor?

I am shocked to find an editor here who thinks that an emperor is a prince!

Not only is an emperor not a prince, indeed many emperors were never princes. All the early emperors were in the Roman Empire where there was no such concept. Nor was Napoleon never a prince.

wtf?

Prince William and Prince Harry are hadly representative of typical British people (specifically with language and accent), that's all I was saying. They are royalty,

Having said that they could conceivably put on a posh (ie even posher) show for the yanks, There are occasions over here where they can appear fairly normal. Or Harry does at least bless his cheeky little cottonsocks.

[Somey]

This might be a good time to point out that there's nobody left here who can split the off-topic internecine bashing portions of threads like this into the tar-pit when they start to look, well... exactly like this one's looking right now.

You boys are on your own! (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/tongue.gif)

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