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Michaeldsuarez
post Tue 24th January 2012, 3:28pm
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QUOTE(Kelly Martin @ Tue 24th January 2012, 9:39am) *

QUOTE(NuclearWarfare @ Tue 24th January 2012, 7:22am) *
QUOTE(Kelly Martin @ Mon 23rd January 2012, 2:34am) *
A G+ acquaintance informed me a couple days ago that, apparently, the driving force behind the Wikipedia blackout was none other than James Forrester.
And presumably gave some sort of evidence...
Comment was made in a public thread. Make what you will of it.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jdforrester

http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Jdforrester

This guy?
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post Tue 24th January 2012, 3:32pm
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IIRC, Jimbo had a real hardon for this guy, Mr Forrester. He was overwhelming voted down for arbcom but Jimbo kept him anyway. If this is the guy I'm thinking of.
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post Tue 24th January 2012, 3:55pm
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QUOTE(Rhindle @ Tue 24th January 2012, 10:32am) *

IIRC, Jimbo had a real hardon for this guy, Mr Forrester. He was overwhelming voted down for arbcom but Jimbo kept him anyway. If this is the guy I'm thinking of.


Correct:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arb...er_2004#Results

http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikie...uly/026675.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:JamesF

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post Tue 24th January 2012, 5:16pm
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QUOTE(Michaeldsuarez @ Tue 24th January 2012, 10:55am) *
Just noticing, my wont, the structural defects. Using pure Approval voting for multiwinner elections is interesting, but was the system Yes/No? If only Yes, people may simply vote for their favorites and leave it at that; the method then reduces to Plurality, in effect.

This is not a method, neither Plurality nor Approval, to produce anything like fair representation of a community. For the same reasons, supermajority election of administrators produces a highly warped representation of the community, it's quite possible for a majority position to end up unrepresented, and that result, over years, will then begin to bias participation. When people don't feel that the results represent how they voted, they stop participating.

Jimbo made an appointment because it was felt that more numbers would increase the depth of analysis. That's not necessarily true, and it became quite clear to me, in my tangles with ArbComm, that arbs were simply voting knee-jerk, often. People are going to do that, it's inevitable, but sane process will make sure that those voting are, at least, *presented* with clear evidence and argument. If they ignore it, they can then be held responsible. But three-year terms militates against responsibility. If you are going to have long terms, then the election process should be far deeper, aiming to gain the most careful and thorough participants as arbitrators. Or at least those who are truly most representative, who *collectively* represent a maximized percentage of users.

Best would be a process which creates a panel that truly represents the community, so that the votes of the panel can be, usually, how the whole community would vote if informed adequately. Asset Voting could do it (an element in Asset Voting could be the proxy method proposed experimentally as WP:PRX. That alone would not be enough. What would then be needed would be a process whereby the *community* and *staff* present organized and coherent evidence and argument for consideration by the panel. Combining the roles of investigation with decision is structurally unwise, likely to burn out the participants. "Staff" here means that there would be a class of user which does investigation and reporting. They might be given tools that, for example, allow them to read deleted posts. Each arbitrator might be able to appoint this "staff." The purpose of staff is to advise the arbs!

With an Asset-elected ArbComm, everyone who participates in the election could know whom they elected, "their arbitrator." With secret ballot, the arbs would not know who elected them, not the primary voters. They would know who transferred votes to them, that part must be done publically.

It could be done. I'm not holding my breath.
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post Tue 24th January 2012, 7:28pm
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QUOTE(Rhindle @ Tue 24th January 2012, 9:32am) *

IIRC, Jimbo had a real hardon for this guy, Mr Forrester. He was overwhelming voted down for arbcom but Jimbo kept him anyway. If this is the guy I'm thinking of.
Yes. James is also the origin (albeit with support from David Gerard) for Jimbo's notion of himself as a constitutional monarch.
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post Tue 24th January 2012, 7:49pm
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Jimmy gave him an enormous hug when they met last May. I wonder if Jimmy was confusing Westminster City School, Forrester's alma mater, which is a rugged state comp, with nearby Westminster School, alma mater of the elite, including at least seven British prime ministers? How would we find out?
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post Tue 24th January 2012, 8:00pm
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QUOTE(Peter Damian @ Tue 24th January 2012, 2:49pm) *

Jimmy gave him an enormous hug when they met last May.


Did you get wood?
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post Tue 24th January 2012, 9:34pm
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QUOTE(GlassBeadGame @ Tue 24th January 2012, 12:00pm) *

QUOTE(Peter Damian @ Tue 24th January 2012, 2:49pm) *

Jimmy gave him an enormous hug when they met last May.
Did you get wood?

Jimbo's always got wood.

Call him Twig-Man.

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post Mon 30th January 2012, 1:32am
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Jimbo reports that he's

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been contacted by people in the movie industry who would like to sit down and talk to me about what kind of bill I would support. While I believe that they have been arrogant and overbearing in the past, I also think this is a good opportunity for us to move forward with some proposals that will address some of the real issues they have, AND a good opportunity for us to move forward with some proposals that will address many of the real issues that we have. Let's discuss. What's your (realistic) dream copyright reform bill? As Mick sang, "You can't always get what you want, but if you try sometimes..."--Jimbo Wales (talk) 20:21, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

Also note the thread on masturbation videos in Commons further up on that page. A lady has founded a "Stop pornography on Wikipedia" Facebook group, and Jimbo says there will be news about the fate of the image filter later this week.
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post Mon 30th January 2012, 2:44am
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"While I believe that they have been arrogant and overbearing in the past..."

Jimbo sure does know how to butter 'em up, doesn't he?
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post Mon 30th January 2012, 2:55am
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QUOTE(thekohser @ Sun 29th January 2012, 8:44pm) *

"While I believe that they have been arrogant and overbearing in the past..."

Jimbo sure does know how to butter 'em up, doesn't he?


I'm gonna remember that one for next time I address Jimmy on his talk page. (Almost) everyone deserves a second chance.
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