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Posted by: Wikitaka

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Wikipediareviewlogo.png

They claim that it is "low resolution", while the resolution is the same as here on the page. They also claim that "The entire logo is used to convey the meaning intended and avoid tarnishing or misrepresenting the intended image." As they use the logo in their article that is written with a conflict of interest and criticises us (or at least did in the past), it is used to misrepresent us.

On it goes, [...]assure the readers that they have reached the right article containing critical commentary about the organization[...]

Do you think it is time to open a file deletion debate over the obvious copyright infringement of our logo?

Posted by: Web Fred

QUOTE(Wikitaka @ Fri 30th March 2012, 12:18pm) *

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Wikipediareviewlogo.png

They claim that it is "low resolution", while the resolution is the same as here on the page. They also claim that "The entire logo is used to convey the meaning intended and avoid tarnishing or misrepresenting the intended image." As they use the logo in their article that is written with a conflict of interest and criticises us (or at least did in the past), it is used to misrepresent us.

On it goes, [...]assure the readers that they have reached the right article containing critical commentary about the organization[...]

Do you think it is time to open a file deletion debate over the obvious copyright infringement of our logo?


What exactly is the trilby supposed to represent?

Posted by: Detective

QUOTE(Web Fred @ Fri 30th March 2012, 11:36am) *

What exactly is the trilby supposed to represent?

Haven't you seen any westerns? It's not a trilby, it's a western hat. As the good guys, we wear white ones.

Posted by: Web Fred

QUOTE(Detective @ Fri 30th March 2012, 12:42pm) *

QUOTE(Web Fred @ Fri 30th March 2012, 11:36am) *

What exactly is the trilby supposed to represent?

Haven't you seen any westerns? It's not a trilby, it's a western hat. As the good guys, we wear white ones.


Nah, that's not a stetson surely?

Posted by: Tarc

QUOTE(Wikitaka @ Fri 30th March 2012, 7:18am) *
Do you think it is time to open a file deletion debate over the obvious copyright infringement of our logo?


What possible purpose would that serve?

Posted by: Selina

http://web.textfiles.com/ezines/HWA/hwa-hn53.txt

QUOTE
<=-[ HWA.hax0r.news ]-=>
[=HWA 2000=] Number 53 Volume 2 Issue 5 1999 April-May 2000

[..]
http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,36170,00.html [..]
The people who penetrated the Apache.org system likely were "grey hats,"
Coar said. The hacker spectrum runs from "black hats," who would break in,
do damage, and attempt to avoid tracing, to "white hats," who would note
the configuration problems and let the site managers know about them
without taking advantage of them.

"These people fall into the 'grey area' in between because they told us
about the problems, but not until after they had utilized them to make
some apparently innocuous changes," he said.

http://secpoint.com/What-is-a-Grey-Hat.html

http://secpoint.com/What-is-a-White-Hat.html

Lol, this article is so bad: White hat (film) (T-H-L-K-D) smile.gif
QUOTE
Shawn Croissantbloghe recently caused waves when he inexplicably made it hip again.

He achieved it at such rallies as "White Hat Cake Pop Rally 2012" where free cakepops were said to be handed out supposedly in the shape of white hats with nacho cheese dipping sauce.

His other attempts have been unfruitful as still no one knows what carroting is.

a couple main archetypes of white-hats in American cinema, such as Ross, Sahil, and Personable English Guy


This is kinda it though, yeah!
QUOTE
In the movie industry, a white hat was someone in a western movie in which such a character would wear a white hat in contrast to the villain's black hat. Examples of such characters are Red Ryder, Tom Mix, and The Lone Ranger.

Posted by: Web Fred

Thanks for that Selina, but having been active on the net for almost 20 years I'm well aware of the White Hats, Grey Hats and Black Hats concept.

If that was what you were going for in the logo, I think it's a fail as it isn't very clear.

I may rouse myself of my sickbed and start doing an alternate logo for you, or alternatively, thinking about it, I may wait until tomorrow.

Posted by: Selina

Other people said before they were quite fond of the logo I remember though, hmm. Suggestions could be good tho!

Posted by: Heat

QUOTE(Selina @ Fri 30th March 2012, 4:39pm) *

Other people said before they were quite fond of the logo I remember though, hmm. Suggestions could be good tho!


Put in a DMCA notice.

Posted by: Selina

Has an appeal to it biggrin.gif But I'm sure they must have had plenty of people do DMCA before and not heard of any downtime from it, hmm, bet it's been done before, anyone know any cases?

Posted by: MZMcBride

QUOTE(Selina @ Fri 30th March 2012, 1:48pm) *
Has an appeal to it biggrin.gif But I'm sure they must have had plenty of people do DMCA before and not heard of any downtime from it, hmm, bet it's been done before, anyone know any cases?
https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Category:DMCA

Posted by: Wikitaka

QUOTE(MZMcBride @ Fri 30th March 2012, 5:51pm) *

QUOTE(Selina @ Fri 30th March 2012, 1:48pm) *
Has an appeal to it biggrin.gif But I'm sure they must have had plenty of people do DMCA before and not heard of any downtime from it, hmm, bet it's been done before, anyone know any cases?
https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Category:DMCA


How do you make a DMCA claim? E-mail?

Posted by: Tarc

QUOTE(Wikitaka @ Fri 30th March 2012, 3:34pm) *

QUOTE(MZMcBride @ Fri 30th March 2012, 5:51pm) *

QUOTE(Selina @ Fri 30th March 2012, 1:48pm) *
Has an appeal to it biggrin.gif But I'm sure they must have had plenty of people do DMCA before and not heard of any downtime from it, hmm, bet it's been done before, anyone know any cases?
https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Category:DMCA


How do you make a DMCA claim? E-mail?


I'm really not following what is being considered here...do you want to file a DMCA to get the WR logo off Wikipedia?

Posted by: Web Fred

1. It's not really copyrightable as the threshold of originality hasn't been reached.

2. What's the point in deleting it, the logo only serves its purpose if it's being seen.

3. All the time it's on WP then it's sure to irritate the fuck out of someone. Score!

QUOTE(Selina @ Fri 30th March 2012, 5:39pm) *

Other people said before they were quite fond of the logo I remember though, hmm. Suggestions could be good tho!


TBH I feel like shite at the mo' so I'll leave it a couple of days. I won't have any expectation of it being used, it's just something for my own curiosity.

Posted by: Wikitaka

QUOTE(Web Fred @ Fri 30th March 2012, 7:58pm) *

1. It's not really copyrightable as the threshold of originality hasn't been reached.

2. What's the point in deleting it, the logo only serves its purpose if it's being seen.

3. All the time it's on WP then it's sure to irritate the fuck out of someone. Score!


2. WP infringe our copyright by hosting it on their page and claiming to use it in "a critical article" (see OP). Thats an obvious misrepresentation.

Posted by: Web Fred

QUOTE(Wikitaka @ Fri 30th March 2012, 9:01pm) *

QUOTE(Web Fred @ Fri 30th March 2012, 7:58pm) *

1. It's not really copyrightable as the threshold of originality hasn't been reached.

2. What's the point in deleting it, the logo only serves its purpose if it's being seen.

3. All the time it's on WP then it's sure to irritate the fuck out of someone. Score!


2. WP infringe our copyright by hosting it on their page and claiming to use it in "a critical article" (see OP). Thats an obvious misrepresentation.


It sounds like you don't understand what misrepresentation means in a legal sense. They aren't misrepresenting anything with their current use of the logo.

Posted by: Tarc

QUOTE(Wikitaka @ Fri 30th March 2012, 4:01pm) *
2. WP infringe our copyright by hosting it on their page and claiming to use it in "a critical article" (see OP). Thats an obvious misrepresentation.


Jesus, what in the name of the special olympics are you talking about? It is not some kind of "score" or "point" in the Wikipedia's favor to have WR's logo there. If anything, it benefits this site to have its article better illustrated. There was a time when many Wikipedians fought to have that article deleted so they wouldn't have to give a critic website any publicity at all.


Who the fuck is this clown anyways? I have no faith in some anonymous person whose 2nd edit ever was to note he is a "Wiki investigator and watchdog, also active at Wikipedia Review" who had a whopping 14 edits by that time here.

Posted by: Heat

Web Fred has a point, the "logo" is really just a typeface with a generic white hat.

Posted by: Somey

QUOTE(Heat @ Sat 31st March 2012, 11:39am) *
Web Fred has a point, the "logo" is really just a typeface with a generic white hat.

Not only that, when I made the logo I didn't even use my own hat.

Posted by: Web Fred

QUOTE(Somey @ Sun 1st April 2012, 2:22am) *

QUOTE(Heat @ Sat 31st March 2012, 11:39am) *
Web Fred has a point, the "logo" is really just a typeface with a generic white hat.

Not only that, when I made the logo I didn't even use my own hat.


Ah, but you did nick the Wikipedia globe to do the other graphic.

So whomever suggests a take down notice for the WR logo, I should point out that the shoe is really on the other foot.

And the other guy has more money!

Posted by: Somey

QUOTE(Web Fred @ Sun 1st April 2012, 3:36am) *
And the other guy has more money!

Did the person who did the WP globe logo at least get paid for it, then? I'm guessing no.

Anyway, it's been rare, but things like this have happened before, where someone takes it into their head to make some sort of silly "point" on Wikipedia that's supposedly on our behalf, but is really meant to embarrass us and get revenge for some perceived slight or other. In the past, these efforts have usually been quashed almost immediately by WP admins who, in some cases reluctantly, have come to understand that this isn't how we've done things around here (and that critics' forums in general are both useful and inevitable). Now, those admins are not as willing to help out on Wikipedia, since everything here is in flux at the moment and they don't know what to think or how to react to these kinds of activities.

In this case, however, I'm 100-percent certain that Mr. Wikitaka's actions on Wikipedia concerning the WR logo are entirely his own idea and are specifically meant to "kick us while we're down." Luckily, nobody really cares. But in the interest of not having anyone here waste any more time, I would just say that the best thing to do here would be to ignore it for now, but maybe keep the "ol' ban-hammer" handy (both here and there) in case of repeat performances.