Takin' Out the Trash: My First Two Scalps, My Crusade Against Porn Fan-Boi Spam at Wikipedia Options

[KevinOKeeffe]

Over the last week (and for the foreseeable future), I've been devoting a lot of energy to ridding Wikipedia of even a small portion of its enormous over-coverage of topics related to the adult entertainment, ahem, "industry." Earlier today, my efforts yielded their first fruit. I have succeeded in securing the Deletion of two decidedly non-notable adult entertainment performers. Hopefully, I will soon be able to report additional victories in this regard. In the meantime, here are my first two scalps:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veronica_Caine

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alaura_Eden

[Moulton]

My first two scalps...

You're collecting merkins in your trophy case?

[thekohser]

Over the last week (and for the foreseeable future)...

And Wikipedia ensnares yet another victim...

[grievous]

For great justice!

Seriously, the only bigger waste of time I can think of other than being a Wikipedia editor is being a Wikipedia deletionist.

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[Lifebaka]

For great justice!

Seriously, the only bigger waste of time I can think of other than being a Wikipedia editor is being a Wikipedia deletionist.

Hardly true! One could waste one's time by constructing 10,000:1 enlarged scale models of one's own belly-button lint, using the same stuff as one's construction material. That would, I believe, constitute a giganormous waste of time, especially supposing one took oneself seriously while doing so.

[A Horse With No Name]

Over the last week (and for the foreseeable future), I've been devoting a lot of energy to ridding Wikipedia of even a small portion of its enormous over-coverage of topics related to the adult entertainment, ahem, "industry." Earlier today, my efforts yielded their first fruit. I have succeeded in securing the Deletion of two decidedly non-notable adult entertainment performers. Hopefully, I will soon be able to report additional victories in this regard. In the meantime, here are my first two scalps:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veronica_Caine

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alaura_Eden

Phooey, you mean old man! All good-looking lady skin stars are notable! You are no fun! (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/angry.gif)

I am going to get those articles dug up and put on Simple Wikipedia - the kids there need to learn about the birds and the bees, and I'm the horse who can teach that subject! (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/wink.gif)

[KevinOKeeffe]

Phooey, you mean old man! All good-looking lady skin stars are notable! You are no fun! (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/angry.gif)

I am going to get those articles dug up and put on Simple Wikipedia - the kids there need to learn about the birds and the bees, and I'm the horse who can teach that subject! (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/wink.gif)

As I recall, I'm not sure those those two would have particularly qualified under that criterion. I am however, about to Nominate for Deletion a certain "Aja" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aja_(pornographic_actress), whom I do think is rather easy on the eye (despite my long-standing preference for brunettes & redheads). Check out the top-left corner of her pic, Equinus. You just might have a shot with her!

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[Mike H]

And here I thought Aja was the guitar virtuoso who played with Jem, Kimber and Shana. Childhood memories are ruined.

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[A Horse With No Name]

As I recall, I'm not sure those those two would have particularly qualified under that criterion. I am however, about to Nominate for Deletion a certain "Aja" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aja_(pornographic_actress), whom I do think is rather easy on the eye (despite my long-standing preference for brunettes & redheads). Check out the top-left corner of her pic, Equinus. You just might have a shot with her!

Horsey like! Horsey like! Now, come on, remove that AfD and let's work that article up to FA status! (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/evilgrin.gif)

[Emperor]

Kevin, you woman-hating bastard. Why would you do that?

[EricBarbour]

This is nothing.

I don't see any discussion about this template.
Read the talk page. A classic Commons atrocity.
(Mentioned on Reddit this morning.)

There ya go, Kevin. The perfect template for pornstar BLPs. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/evilgrin.gif)

[KevinOKeeffe]

Kevin, you woman-hating bastard. Why would you do that?

I'd like to think this reply is intended as humour, but in the dreary event it is intended sincerely, I can assure you that I do not hate women. On the contrary, my hostility to pornography (and more precisely, the gross over-representation at Wikipedia, of what is an innately trivial topic) stems in no small part from my admiration for women in general (as opposed to the very small and rather pitiful subset of womankind that chooses to engage in acts of prostitution in front of a film crew).

It is true that I have, as yet, only targeted articles about female porn stars for deletion, but that is simply a tactical move on my part, owing to the fact that A) pornographic bio articles are grouped by sex, so its easier to focus on one sex or the other, and B) if I'd started off going after male porn stars, it is very likely I would incur the wrath of the rather well-represented & activist gay community at Wikipedia, and simply put, activist homosexuals are a more formidable and well-organized opposition than the champions of female porn star articles ie., nerds who can't get laid.

This is nothing.

I don't see any discussion about this template.
Read the talk page. A classic Commons atrocity.
(Mentioned on Reddit this morning.)

There ya go, Kevin. The perfect template for pornstar BLPs. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/evilgrin.gif)

I had to check, and now I rather wish I had not....

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Penis

[A Horse With No Name]

On the contrary, my hostility to pornography (and more precisely, the gross over-representation at Wikipedia, of what is an innately trivial topic) stems in no small part from my admiration for women in general (as opposed to the very small and rather pitiful subset of womankind that chooses to engage in acts of prostitution in front of a film crew).

Hey, quiet on the set! We're trying to shoot a movie here, okay? Now, Xeno, in this scene you come home and find Durova lying on the leopard skin sheets covering the heart-shaped bed - she is in her red silk lingerie. You look upwards and say your lines: "Praise be to St. Theresa for hearing my prayers!" Ready everyone? Lights, camera... (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/evilgrin.gif)

[Peter Damian]

[...]

Kevin I would really like to shake your hand for this. I made a speciality of targeting 'special interest' groups in the pedophile and 'animal friends' parts of Wikipedia, but never dared take on anything like this.

I would love to support you but as you see it is 'block season' for me, though I am out in a month's time hopefully.

Good luck. I checked out your user page and we should be friends. Perhaps I'm not so far on the right as you claim to be but who cares, you are doing good things. Porn is just sick humiliation and victimisation of women. And like you I am a concerned parent of children who are at a vulnerable age.

Well done sir.

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[Milton Roe]

As I recall, I'm not sure those those two would have particularly qualified under that criterion. I am however, about to Nominate for Deletion a certain "Aja" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aja_(pornographic_actress), whom I do think is rather easy on the eye (despite my long-standing preference for brunettes & redheads). Check out the top-left corner of her pic, Equinus. You just might have a shot with her!

Horsey like! Horsey like! Now, come on, remove that AfD and let's work that article up to FA status! (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/evilgrin.gif)

(IMG:http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll191/Shrlocc/PeopleWhoDontNeedPeople.jpg)

There you go. Horsey kiss. Mwuh, mwuh. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/wub.gif)

[A Horse With No Name]

As I recall, I'm not sure those those two would have particularly qualified under that criterion. I am however, about to Nominate for Deletion a certain "Aja" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aja_(pornographic_actress), whom I do think is rather easy on the eye (despite my long-standing preference for brunettes & redheads). Check out the top-left corner of her pic, Equinus. You just might have a shot with her!

Horsey like! Horsey like! Now, come on, remove that AfD and let's work that article up to FA status! (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/evilgrin.gif)

(IMG:http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll191/Shrlocc/PeopleWhoDontNeedPeople.jpg)

There you go. Horsey kiss. Mwuh, mwuh. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/wub.gif)

Mmmmm mmmm....Helloooooooooooo Mama! (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/evilgrin.gif)

[Milton Roe]

As I recall, I'm not sure those those two would have particularly qualified under that criterion. I am however, about to Nominate for Deletion a certain "Aja" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aja_(pornographic_actress), whom I do think is rather easy on the eye (despite my long-standing preference for brunettes & redheads). Check out the top-left corner of her pic, Equinus. You just might have a shot with her!

Horsey like! Horsey like! Now, come on, remove that AfD and let's work that article up to FA status! (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/evilgrin.gif)

(IMG:http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll191/Shrlocc/PeopleWhoDontNeedPeople.jpg)

There you go. Horsey kiss. Mwuh, mwuh. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/wub.gif)

Mmmmm mmmm....Helloooooooooooo Mama! (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/evilgrin.gif)

Good. I didn't know if you liked the kind with horsey heads and woman bodies, or the reverse. Something to be said for both, I suppose.

Found this one in my Barbra Streisand collection. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/happy.gif)

[A Horse With No Name]

Found this one in my Barbra Streisand collection. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/happy.gif)

Hello, gorgeous! (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/wink.gif)

[Milton Roe]

On the contrary, my hostility to pornography (and more precisely, the gross over-representation at Wikipedia, of what is an innately trivial topic) stems in no small part from my admiration for women in general (as opposed to the very small and rather pitiful subset of womankind that chooses to engage in acts of prostitution in front of a film crew).

Hey, quiet on the set! We're trying to shoot a movie here, okay? Now, Xeno, in this scene you come home and find Durova lying on the leopard skin sheets covering the heart-shaped bed - she is in her red silk lingerie. You look upwards and say your lines: "Praise be to St. Theresa for hearing my prayers!" Ready everyone? Lights, camera... (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/evilgrin.gif)

St. Jude for that one.

Kevin, you woman-hating bastard. Why would you do that?

I'd like to think this reply is intended as humour, but in the dreary event it is intended sincerely, I can assure you that I do not hate women. On the contrary, my hostility to pornography (and more precisely, the gross over-representation at Wikipedia, of what is an innately trivial topic) stems in no small part from my admiration for women in general (as opposed to the very small and rather pitiful subset of womankind that chooses to engage in acts of prostitution in front of a film crew).

These are also women. It's not necessary to split woman kind into madonnas or whores.

There are far worse things in this world than sex and the filming of sex. In fact, pretty much all of the bad things are worse. Possibly the worst thing about filming sex for money is the scorn it generates from a subset of people who now feel entitled to look down on you because you have filmed sex for money. Sheesh.

Could you save it for people who drop bombs on other counties for no good reason, or make loans they know can't be repaid, and sell them like hot potatoes to banks who will collect them until they require the taxpayer to bail them out?

Let me paraphase Jefferson, who was talking atheists and polytheists, but can be used for other contexts. Porn stars and prostitutes do me no injury-- they neither break my leg nor pick my pocket. I wish I could say the same about my financial institutions and my government.

[RMHED]

Over the last week (and for the foreseeable future), I've been devoting a lot of energy to ridding Wikipedia of even a small portion of its enormous over-coverage of topics related to the adult entertainment, ahem, "industry." Earlier today, my efforts yielded their first fruit. I have succeeded in securing the Deletion of two decidedly non-notable adult entertainment performers. Hopefully, I will soon be able to report additional victories in this regard. In the meantime, here are my first two scalps:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veronica_Caine

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alaura_Eden

I once tried prodding (not a euphemism) a lot of Penthouse Pet of the Month BLP's. Apparently just being a Pet of the month makes you notable, at least according to Wikiproject:Pornlovers, or whatever it's called. I was accused of disruption if memory serves. The moral of the story is "Don't mess with a wikipediots right to fill the 'pedia with porno stubs" Human knowledge, sum of, African children, blah, blah, blah.

[KevinOKeeffe]

These are also women. It's not necessary to split woman kind into madonnas or whores.

Its not a question of some straw man madonna-vs-whore dichotomy. I think most reasonable people regret the extent to which porn has become a part of mainstream American culture, but are disinclined, due to the First Amendment, to support doing anything about it. Fortunately, Wikipedia is not a government agency. It can choose to have higher standards than serving as a repository for the minutiae of the lives of porn stars. I think most reasonable people understand implicitly that the cataloging of such commercialized vice is not the proper role of an encyclopedia.

There are far worse things in this world than sex and the filming of sex. In fact, pretty much all of the bad things are worse. Possibly the worst thing about filming sex for money is the scorn it generates from a subset of people who now feel entitled to look down on you because you have filmed sex for money.

You're certainly entitled to hold that opinion. I happen to adhere to a different view on that question.

Could you save it for people who drop bombs on other counties for not good reason, or make loans they know can't be repaid, and sell them like hot potatoes to banks who will collect them until they require the taxpaper to bail them out?

Suffice it to say that my involvement in attempting to suppress the porn fan boi spam at Wikipedia is not the sum total of my activities there. Hell, I've been involved in that activity for less than two weeks, and I continue to work on other things while I direct some of my energies in that direction. In any event, it does seem we share some of the concerns about the larger world's socio-political affairs. For the record, let me make it very clear I always voted against the two Georges Bush, John McCain, and Bob Dole (albeit not for the Democrats since 1992).

I once tried prodding (not a euphemism) a lot of Penthouse Pet of the Month BLP's. Apparently just being a Pet of the month makes you notable, at least according to Wikiproject:Pornlovers, or whatever it's called. I was accused of disruption if memory serves. The moral of the story is "Don't mess with a wikipediots right to fill the 'pedia with porno stubs" Human knowledge, sum of, African children, blah, blah, blah.

A new, stricter version of the WP:Pornbio criteria was issued several months ago; being a Penthouse Pet is no longer sufficient, in and of itself, to establish notability (although being a Playboy Playmate still qualifies, and in fairness, Playboy does play a much larger role in the American socio-cultural consciousness than Penthouse ever has, although its still absurd that all 700 or so women who have ever been a Playboy Playmate are now deemed worthy of inclusion in an encyclopedia).

Here is a link to the discussion about the new WP:Pornbio criteria (which are better than the previous set, albeit still woefully too permissive). The discussion about whether the new criteria should be rolled-back to the looser standards of the past, is directly below it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_tal...le)#Porn_Awards

[carbuncle]

These are also women. It's not necessary to split woman kind into madonnas or whores.

Its not a question of some straw man madonna-vs-whore dichotomy. I think most reasonable people regret the extent to which porn has become a part of mainstream American culture, but are disinclined, due to the First Amendment, to support doing anything about it. Fortunately, Wikipedia is not a government agency. It can choose to have higher standards than serving as a repository for the minutiae of the lives of porn stars. I think most reasonable people understand implicitly that the cataloging of such commercialized vice is not the proper role of an encyclopedia.

Judging by this edit, it's not a straw man at all.

Death

I'm afraid that the news of her death is in fact real. Please see the family's photos of her funeral, which incidently in one of the pictures also verfies her Bahai upbringing. She left the porn industry a while back hence the fact there is no news of her death in print, but I'm sure it will get around. [3] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.106.151.36 (talk) 03:05, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Gee, I wonder if society will be able to take the hit from such a loss? KevinOKeeffe (talk) 03:04, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Replying to a two year old comment with a disparaging and insensitive remark pretty much negates any other justifications you might have, at least in my mind. I guess porn actors fall into the "whore" category?

[sbrown]

I am going to get those articles dug up and put on Simple Wikipedia - the kids there need to learn about the birds and the bees, and I'm the horse who can teach that subject! (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/wink.gif)

Why not put them on encyc? Emperor would give you a hug.

[KevinOKeeffe]

Replying to a two year old comment with a disparaging and insensitive remark pretty much negates any other justifications you might have, at least in my mind. I guess porn actors fall into the "whore" category?

Obviously porn star are whores, rather by definition, since they whore themselves out (in the most literal sense), and incidentally allow the proceedings to be filmed. Never-the-less, that doesn't indicate my adherence to a false dichotomy of all women being either-whores-or-madonnas. Most women are neither, just as most men are neither villains nor saints.

I suppose it was a bit rascally of me to suggest the death of that one porn store was an event of little or no social significance (even if that statement is objectively accurate, it is perhaps in poor taste to point it out), but what can I say? I find the porn fan bois on Wikipedia extremely irritating, and I guess I trolled them in that one instance. I suppose I felt it was a little absurd for them to be posting such a seriously worded statement of condolence about the loss of someone who was, for them, nothing more than a stroke-fest fantasy. I still do feel that way, actually. In my opinion, there is something genuinely wrong with a man who forms an emotional attachment to porn stars he's never met. Mocking the grief of such twits may actually be helpful to them, in that it may serve as a reminder that the time is past due for them to grow up.

[Law]

Obviously porn star are whores, rather by definition, since they whore themselves out (in the most literal sense), and incidentally allow the proceedings to be filmed.

I find the porn fan bois on Wikipedia extremely irritating, and I guess I trolled them in that one instance.

In my opinion, there is something genuinely wrong with a man who forms an emotional attachment to porn stars he's never met. Mocking the grief of such twits may actually be helpful to them, in that it may serve as a reminder that the time is past due for them to grow up.

You have a lot of opinions about porn, but feeling the need to demonstrate how a porn star is literally a whore, and commenting on the fan base, says to me that you have issues that are far deeper than those you try and dissect. I'm all for nuking BLPs, but not because I have an anti-porn agenda -- I'm just tired of shitty bios. I don't know why anyone gives a fuck about who consenting adults fuck, when they fuck, where they fuck, and if they do it for money or not. Who the fuck wants to spend their life worrying about who fucks who and what position they fuck in is beyond me.

[Eva Destruction]

Obviously porn star are whores, rather by definition, since they whore themselves out (in the most literal sense), and incidentally allow the proceedings to be filmed.

I find the porn fan bois on Wikipedia extremely irritating, and I guess I trolled them in that one instance.

In my opinion, there is something genuinely wrong with a man who forms an emotional attachment to porn stars he's never met. Mocking the grief of such twits may actually be helpful to them, in that it may serve as a reminder that the time is past due for them to grow up.

You have a lot of opinions about porn, but feeling the need to demonstrate how a porn star is literally a whore, and commenting on the fan base, says to me that you have issues that are far deeper than those you try and dissect. I'm all for nuking BLPs, but not because I have an anti-porn agenda -- I'm just tired of shitty bios. I don't know why anyone gives a fuck about who consenting adults fuck, when they fuck, where they fuck, and if they do it for money or not. Who the fuck wants to spend their life worrying about who fucks who and what position they fuck in is beyond me.

Absolutely. How is "a man who forms an emotional attachment to porn stars he's never met" any different from a fan of Mariah Carey, Derek Jeter or Bill O'Reilly, othar than that he's a fan of someone doing something you don't personally like? I think Led Zeppelin sound like cats being toasted, but that doesn't mean that if I go to someone's house and see a "Houses of the Holy" poster on the wall I immediately assume they're in need of psychotherapy.

[KevinOKeeffe]

You have a lot of opinions about porn, but feeling the need to demonstrate how a porn star is literally a whore, and commenting on the fan base, says to me that you have issues that are far deeper than those you try and dissect. I'm all for nuking BLPs, but not because I have an anti-porn agenda -- I'm just tired of shitty bios. I don't know why anyone gives a fuck about who consenting adults fuck, when they fuck, where they fuck, and if they do it for money or not. Who the fuck wants to spend their life worrying about who fucks who and what position they fuck in is beyond me.

Which raises the question, who gives a fuck what you think?

[A Horse With No Name]

You have a lot of opinions about porn, but feeling the need to demonstrate how a porn star is literally a whore, and commenting on the fan base, says to me that you have issues that are far deeper than those you try and dissect. I'm all for nuking BLPs, but not because I have an anti-porn agenda -- I'm just tired of shitty bios. I don't know why anyone gives a fuck about who consenting adults fuck, when they fuck, where they fuck, and if they do it for money or not. Who the fuck wants to spend their life worrying about who fucks who and what position they fuck in is beyond me.

Which raises the question, who gives a fuck what you think?

Who wants to make a bet that Kev probably has DVDs of "Debbie Does Dallas" stashed in his beard? (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/wink.gif)

[KevinOKeeffe]

Obviously porn star are whores, rather by definition, since they whore themselves out (in the most literal sense), and incidentally allow the proceedings to be filmed.

I find the porn fan bois on Wikipedia extremely irritating, and I guess I trolled them in that one instance.

In my opinion, there is something genuinely wrong with a man who forms an emotional attachment to porn stars he's never met. Mocking the grief of such twits may actually be helpful to them, in that it may serve as a reminder that the time is past due for them to grow up.

Absolutely. How is "a man who forms an emotional attachment to porn stars he's never met" any different from a fan of Mariah Carey, Derek Jeter or Bill O'Reilly, othar than that he's a fan of someone doing something you don't personally like? I think Led Zeppelin sound like cats being toasted, but that doesn't mean that if I go to someone's house and see a "Houses of the Holy" poster on the wall I immediately assume they're in need of psychotherapy.

Its not so much a question of my personally disliking pornography, so much as it is a question of my being right to dislike pornography. Other people should dislike it, too. I'm not some relativist who's afraid of appearing "judgmental." I can tell the difference between right & wrong, and I don't mind saying so. I know that's not fashionable in the present era, but I'm not particularly enamored with the value systems of the present era, and thus have no great wish to be perceived as in conformity to them.

And of course, whatever one's opinion about pornography, I should think that even people who like it very much ought still never-the-less understand that its not really the sort of information that exists within the best traditions of what ought to constitute an encyclopedia.

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[Moulton]

Today's essay question, in the spirit of educational discussion:

In Don Quixote, was Dulcinea a "Madonna" or a strumpet? Explain your reasoning.

Extra credit for related literary examples.

[Cedric]

And of course, whatever one's opinion about pornography, I should think that even people who like it very much ought still never-the-less understand that its not really the sort of information that exists within the best traditions of what ought to constitute an encyclopedia.

Those who truly believe in "the best traditions of what ought to constitute an encyclopedia" have no business contributing to Wikipedia in the first place.

[GlassBeadGame]

Obviously porn star are whores, rather by definition, since they whore themselves out (in the most literal sense), and incidentally allow the proceedings to be filmed. Never-the-less, that doesn't indicate my adherence to a false dichotomy of all women being either-whores-or-madonnas. Most women are neither, just as most men are neither villains nor saints.

This is why I held back and let you comment for a while before entering the discussion. I'm well on record as opposing Wikipedia irresponsible hosting pornography while providing no child protective matters at all. The concern is first for children and their parents, then for those exploited and demeaned by pornography (mostly women, including the workers in the industry.) This has nothing to do with those workers being "whores." You have now lost you pet role as the site's most reasonable fascist. Thanks for showing your misogny relatively early on.

[Eva Destruction]

You have now lost you pet role as the site's most reasonable fascist. Thanks for showing your misogny relatively early on.

Since the only other one I can think of is Lolwut, I think Kevin still wins by default.

[Somey]

Well.... to be fair, I'd have to say that Mr. O'Keefe is probably a "misogynist" only from the progressive/liberal perspective, which tends to include a wider definition of personal freedom and responsibility than the social-conservative perspective. I don't think it's unreasonable to view porn actresses as either victims of a corrupt media-driven social system, or even as opportunistic money-grabbers, shameless or otherwise. "Whores" is a loaded word, of course, and it would be better not to use it, but IMO it doesn't really become misogyny until you start making assumptions about tendencies towards evil vs. good, or start claiming that women are "morally weak" and gravitate to these kinds of things as part of their basic nature, etc., etc. (Unless you just hate women in general, of course.)

I'd also agree that traditional standards of coverage for an encyclopedia are faaaaarrrrr better than Wikipedia's in this particular regard. Nevertheless, I'd also have to say that most of these porn-star bios are relatively harmless, as long as they're not too explicit in themselves, and the porn-star in question wants them (which, I'd imagine, is usually the case). The Aja bio doesn't even give her real name, at least not at the moment.

And of course, this is actually a good example of where a BLP opt-out policy would be ideal, since it would give the porn-stars themselves a chance to (at least partially) clean the slate if they ever decide to leave the industry.

[carbuncle]

Well.... to be fair, I'd have to say that Mr. O'Keefe is probably a "misogynist" only from the progressive/liberal perspective, which tends to include a wider definition of personal freedom and responsibility than the social-conservative perspective. I don't think it's unreasonable to view porn actresses as either victims of a corrupt media-driven social system, or even as opportunistic money-grabbers, shameless or otherwise. "Whores" is a loaded word, of course, and it would be better not to use it, but IMO it doesn't really become misogyny until you start making assumptions about tendencies towards evil vs. good, or start claiming that women are "morally weak" and gravitate to these kinds of things as part of their basic nature, etc., etc. (Unless you just hate women in general, of course.)

I'd also agree that traditional standards of coverage for an encyclopedia are faaaaarrrrr better than Wikipedia's in this particular regard. Nevertheless, I'd also have to say that most of these porn-star bios are relatively harmless, as long as they're not too explicit in themselves, and the porn-star in question wants them (which, I'd imagine, is usually the case). The Aja bio doesn't even give her real name, at least not at the moment.

And of course, this is actually a good example of where a BLP opt-out policy would be ideal, since it would give the porn-stars themselves a chance to (at least partially) clean the slate if they ever decide to leave the industry.

I don't think Kevin would quite agree with you on the opt-out policy:

Its not a question of what an individual needs, or does not need, to know. It is a question of this being an encyclopedia, and and as such, we are not in the business of concealing relevant information, in order to make the subject of a given article more comfortable about the (shameful) way they make their living. If this person is actually notable to the extent that there ought to be an article about her (I, for one, find that most unlikely, and even a little distasteful), then it is absurd not to include her real name. The idea of a biographical article that does not contain the subject's name is frankly bizarre. [[User:KevinOKeeffe|KevinOKeeffe]] ([[User talk:KevinOKeeffe|talk]]) 19:27, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

I doubt that whores are the only people Kevin hates. See his comments at [[Talk:Kevin Alfred Strom]]...

[KevinOKeeffe]

Obviously porn star are whores, rather by definition, since they whore themselves out (in the most literal sense), and incidentally allow the proceedings to be filmed. Never-the-less, that doesn't indicate my adherence to a false dichotomy of all women being either-whores-or-madonnas. Most women are neither, just as most men are neither villains nor saints.

This is why I held back and let you comment for a while before entering the discussion. I'm well on record as opposing Wikipedia irresponsible hosting pornography while providing no child protective matters at all. The concern is first for children and their parents, then for those exploited and demeaned by pornography (mostly women, including the workers in the industry.) This has nothing to do with those workers being "whores." You have now lost you pet role as the site's most reasonable fascist. Thanks for showing your misogny relatively early on.

How is it "misogynist" to note the simple fact that women who engage in sex for money are, by definition, whores, irrespective of whether they compound their whoring by allowing it to be filmed? I can assure you, my opinion of the male whores who perform in pornographic films is just as low, if not actually lower, than my opinion of the female whores similarly engaged. Most pornography is pretty much the ultimate media expression of misogyny, for that matter, silly "New Wave Feminist" cockamamie drivel to the contrary not-withstanding.

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[KevinOKeeffe]

I doubt that whores are the only people Kevin hates. See his comments at [[Talk:Kevin Alfred Strom]]...

I try to refrain from hating anyone, but in those particular circumstances where I fail in that endeavour, I reserve my hatred for specific individuals, not entire classes of people. The statement I hate "women" is remarkably silly. On right-wing boards where I participate in discussions of socio-political issues, I am frequently derided as "a fag" for my refusal to go along with an often predominantly misogynist ethos, where I constantly point out the Boobus Americanus male leaves even more to be desired than his female counterpart.

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[carbuncle]

How is it "misogynist" to note the simple fact that women who engage in sex for money are, by definition, whores, irrespective of whether they compound their whoring by allowing it to be filmed? I can assure you, my opinion of the male whores who perform in pornographic films is just as low, if not actually lower, than my opinion of the female whores similarly engaged. Most pornography is pretty much the ultimate media expression of misogyny, for that matter, silly "New Wave Feminist" cockamamie drivel to the contrary not-withstanding.

I suspect that we might actually agree on some of the ill effects of pornography on the collective psyche. We clearly differ in how we view the people who are involved in it or in prostitution.

I try to refrain from hating anyone, but in those particular circumstances where I fail in that endeavour, I reserve my hatred for specific individuals, not entire classes of people. The statement I hate "women" is remarkably silly. On right-wing boards where I participate in discussions of socio-political issues, I am frequently derided as "a fag" for my refusal to go along with an often predominantly misogynist ethos, where I constantly point out the Boobus Americanus male leaves even more to be desired than his female counterpart.

So you hate all whores individually?

[carbuncle]

Hey, you're this Kevin O'Keefe, aren't you?

More than 700 people braved the unforgiving heat yesterday to attend a rally against hate at Palo Alto's Jewish Community Center, which in recent weeks became the target of anti-Semitic threats.

Palo Alto police arrested San Jose security guard Kevin Riley O'Keefe, on August 13 for making threatening phone calls to the center over a two-month period.

O'Keefe, who had neo-Nazi literature at his home and has since apologized for the phone calls, remains in custody in lieu of $1 million bail.

...

Full article here

Good luck in the WMF Trustee election!

[Milton Roe]

Hey, you're this Kevin O'Keefe, aren't you?

More than 700 people braved the unforgiving heat yesterday to attend a rally against hate at Palo Alto's Jewish Community Center, which in recent weeks became the target of anti-Semitic threats.

Palo Alto police arrested San Jose security guard Kevin Riley O'Keefe, on August 13 for making threatening phone calls to the center over a two-month period.

O'Keefe, who had neo-Nazi literature at his home and has since apologized for the phone calls, remains in custody in lieu of $1 million bail.

...

Full article here

Good luck in the WMF Trustee election!

There are a lot of Kevin O'Keeffes in the world, no doubt.

If this is the same one, OTH, he'd pick up the WP skinhead vote, but probably lose the WP Jewish vote. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/dry.gif) (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/ermm.gif)

I've been trying to guess here how this would go... (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/wink.gif)

[Emperor]

Yikes.

[Somey]

Golly!

Well, if it is him, at least he doesn't seem to be singling out Jewish porn actresses. That might tend to suggest he's grown up a bit in the last ten years or so...

[Peter Damian]

Hey, you're this Kevin O'Keefe, aren't you?

Are you?

[KevinOKeeffe]

So you hate all whores individually?

My feelings with regard to individual whores seldom rises to the intensity of hatred. I seldom know enough about them to know whether pity, aloof disdain, or frothing hatred is the correct response; I'm sure all three have their place in various individual instances. I do hate the idea of someone becoming a whore, however. Even in instances where it makes sense for them to do so ie., in order to avoid starvation in a war zone, say, its still very regrettable that such things occur.

[Sarcasticidealist]

Are you?

They have the same middle name and, as has been pointed out here already, "our" Kevin believes that "anti-semitism is part and parcel to informed patriotism". So I'm thinking yes.

[KevinOKeeffe]

Golly!

Well, if it is him, at least he doesn't seem to be singling out Jewish porn actresses. That might tend to suggest he's grown up a bit in the last ten years or so...

What can I say? During the 1990s, I was a pretty disturbed guy, due at least in part to a lifelong, untreated case of Bipolar Disorder, and I did a stupid, fucked-up thing. While I may adhere to a number of controversial socio-political notions (although there's probably more of Ignatius J. Riley in me than Julius Streicher), I do not actually hate people based solely on their membership in a particular racial, ethnic, and/or religious class. And like many people, that has not always been true about me. Unlike most other people who used to hate people on the basis of such criteria, I have the unfortunate burden of an evidentiary paper trail, cataloging my past foolishness in the local newspapers. Whereas most people simply have the luxury of lying about their past idiocy, if they are so inclined. And while I no longer hate people for being Jewish, I did not subsequently decide it was a good idea to become an adherent to orthodox socio-political thought. When I became a National Socialist ("Nazi") in 1996, I did so because of my awareness that this society is on an extremely deleterious trajectory. I don't think that has changed; we are still plunging towards an abyss. I simply don't think targeting people on the basis of their demographic make-up is a very good way to avert the disasters which surely await the USA in the decades to come, if our national trajectory is not altered.

[Peter Damian]

Golly!

Well, if it is him, at least he doesn't seem to be singling out Jewish porn actresses. That might tend to suggest he's grown up a bit in the last ten years or so...

What can I say? During the 1990s, I was a pretty disturbed guy, due at least in part to a lifelong, untreated case of Bipolar Disorder, and I did a stupid, fucked-up thing. While I may adhere to a number of controversial socio-political notions (although there's probably more of Ignatius J. Riley in me than Julius Streicher), I do not actually hate people based solely on their membership in a particular racial, ethnic, and/or religious class. And like many people, that has not always been true about me. Unlike most other people who used to hate people on the basis of such criteria, I have the unfortunate burden of an evidentiary paper trail, cataloging my past foolishness in the local newspapers. Whereas most people simply have the luxury of lying about their past idiocy, if they are so inclined. And while I no longer hate people for being Jewish, I did not subsequently decide it was a good idea to become an adherent to orthodox socio-political thought. When I became a National Socialist ("Nazi") in 1996, I did so because of my awareness that this society is on an extremely deleterious trajectory. I don't think that has changed; we are still plunging towards an abyss. I simply don't think targeting people on the basis of their demographic make-up is a very good way to avert the disasters which surely await the USA in the decades to come, if our national trajectory is not altered.

Unfortunately some stupid, fucked-up things are harder to erase when it comes to pressing the 'reset' button. I appreciate your honest and candid response though.

Ignatius Jacques Reilly is something of a modern Don Quixote — eccentric, idealistic, and creative, sometimes to the point of delusion. In his foreword to the book, Walker Percy describes Ignatius as a "slob extraordinary, a mad Oliver Hardy, a fat Don Quixote, a perverse Thomas Aquinas rolled into one." He disdains modernity, particularly pop culture. The disdain becomes his obsession: he goes to movies in order to mock their perversity and express his outrage with the contemporary world's lack of "theology and geometry." He prefers the scholastic philosophy of the Middle Ages, and the Early Medieval philosopher Boethius in particular.

I'm with you there.



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[Moulton]

My feelings with regard to individual whores seldom rises to the intensity of hatred. I seldom know enough about them to know whether pity, aloof disdain, or frothing hatred is the correct response; I'm sure all three have their place in various individual instances. I do hate the idea of someone becoming a whore, however. Even in instances where it makes sense for them to do so ie., in order to avoid starvation in a war zone, say, its still very regrettable that such things occur.

Nobody responded to my suggestion to examine the case of Dulcinea, the fictional heroine of Don Quixote. Her character is an iconic example of the dilemma which Kevin contemplates above.

But perhaps a more fascinating case would be Sabina Spielrein, a real person whose story is even more interesting than that of the fictional Dulcinea.

When Carl Jung was just starting his career under the supervision of Eugen Bleuler, Spielrein was his first patient. She was a teenager whom he diagnosed and treated for hysteria. Spielrein stayed on at the clinic and became Jung's assistant and lover. Their dalliance became a scandal that came to the attention of both Freud and Bleuler, leading to the dismissal of Jung from his position at Bleuler's clinic.

Spielrein stayed on to study under Bleuler and then launched her own career in psychotherapy. Her first client was Jean Piaget, with whom she subsequently collaborated and published pathbreaking papers on Autism.

The diagnosis of Autism originated when Bleuler and Freud first discussed such cases. Bleuler proposed to call the diagnosis "ipsism". Freud proposed calling it "autoerotism". Bleuler decided to elide the express reference to erotic self-stimulation, and shortened the name to autism. That was around 1912, when Spielrein was still studying under Bleuler after her dalliance with Jung.

So, what does this have to do with sex for sale?

Think about it. Where is one's source of sexual gratification? Erotic self-stimulation? From a "hired-hand"? From a lover? From a spouse? From printed or online pornography or japornimation?

The prostitute with a heart of gold is something of a literary cliche. Having a "heart of gold" is a synonym for having empathy for others. Autism, on the other hand, is a diagnosis in which the absence of empathy is a defining characteristic. So how does one convey empathy to someone who is 1) desperately lacking in sources of sexual gratification and 2) very much in need of exemplars in empathy?

Enter the role of the sex worker. Is a sex worker a despicable harlot or a praiseworthy therapist?

Deciding whether to curse with contempt or praise with respect is clearly a significant emotional choice.

But emotional choices are often ill-informed choices.

If you study the biography of Sabina Speilrein, you might come away with a more mature perspective on a subtle and complex issue — one that perplexed and confounded Freud, Jung, Bleuler, and Piaget.

By the way, her surname means "fair play".

It's ironic, because Spielrein's life was anything but fair.

[GlassBeadGame]

Golly!

Well, if it is him, at least he doesn't seem to be singling out Jewish porn actresses. That might tend to suggest he's grown up a bit in the last ten years or so...

What can I say? During the 1990s, I was a pretty disturbed guy, due at least in part to a lifelong, untreated case of Bipolar Disorder, and I did a stupid, fucked-up thing. While I may adhere to a number of controversial socio-political notions (although there's probably more of Ignatius J. Riley in me than Julius Streicher), I do not actually hate people based solely on their membership in a particular racial, ethnic, and/or religious class. And like many people, that has not always been true about me. Unlike most other people who used to hate people on the basis of such criteria, I have the unfortunate burden of an evidentiary paper trail, cataloging my past foolishness in the local newspapers. Whereas most people simply have the luxury of lying about their past idiocy, if they are so inclined. And while I no longer hate people for being Jewish, I did not subsequently decide it was a good idea to become an adherent to orthodox socio-political thought. When I became a National Socialist ("Nazi") in 1996, I did so because of my awareness that this society is on an extremely deleterious trajectory. I don't think that has changed; we are still plunging towards an abyss. I simply don't think targeting people on the basis of their demographic make-up is a very good way to avert the disasters which surely await the USA in the decades to come, if our national trajectory is not altered.

Your hate directed toward the JCC was 1999 and at that time you immediately tried to tender an "apology" which your victims found self-serving and insincere. Maybe not so much has changed.

[Peter Damian]

Nobody responded to my suggestion

Why was this do you think?

[Moulton]

Nobody responded to my suggestion

Why was this do you think?

The overwhelming evidence is that most people on the planet are not particularly motivated to think very deeply about much of anything, let alone write a brief essay on a subject of intellectual depth.

It's so much easier just to glide past these things, or blithely dismiss the thoughtful work of others as incomprehensible nonsense or utter bollocks.

[Peter Damian]

The overwhelming evidence is that most people on the planet are not particularly motivated to think very deeply about much of anything, let alone write a brief essay on a subject of intellectual depth.

Why are you posting here then?

[Moulton]

The overwhelming evidence is that most people on the planet are not particularly motivated to think very deeply about much of anything, let alone write a brief essay on a subject of intellectual depth.

Why are you posting here then?

I'm just killing time until I regain enough Energy Points to complete another job in Mafia Wars.

[Somey]

And while I no longer hate people for being Jewish, I did not subsequently decide it was a good idea to become an adherent to orthodox socio-political thought.

Meaning what, that you just have a sort of vague feeling of unease about them now, maybe?

Just bear in mind that anti-semitism is one of those things we're very sensitive about here on WR... That doesn't mean we ban all such folks on sight or anything, but I'm afraid it does mean the pretext threshold is much lower.

When I became a National Socialist ("Nazi") in 1996, I did so because of my awareness that this society is on an extremely deleterious trajectory. I don't think that has changed; we are still plunging towards an abyss.

That makes no sense - to support Nazism in the face of a "deleterious national trajectory" is like making a parachute with fishnet stockings and Swiss cheese. Then again, I guess I don't really want to debate the evils of fascism with anybody... Hopefully you're not still a member!

[Cock-up-over-conspiracy]

How is "a man who forms an emotional attachment to porn stars he's never met" any different from a fan of Mariah Carey, Derek Jeter or Bill O'Reilly

Well, actually, I am fairly confident to say that none of my male friends masturbate on a regular basis imaging Bill O'Reilly's genitals stuck in their face ... although Derek Jeter probably does pick up a few closeted fantasies. So, yes, there is a difference.

Wikipedia has caused significant problems already in education as most teachers will tell you. The Scottish Parent Teacher Council denounced Wikipedia last year and blamed it for falling grades ...

Yup ... probably caused by all the additional fapping it causes in adolescent boys.

In the old days, all it took was for one reprobate to tear the line drawing of a vagina out of the Encyclopedia Britannica and the rest of the school was screwed for 10 years until the next edition came out. Why, a boy could finish his education during that time and never know what one looked like.

Nowadays that are pages full of them on the Pee-dia ... shaved ones, hairy ones, black ones, white ones, pierced ones, cock and spunk filled ones, from the front, from the back, you name it, they've got it covered ... or rather uncovered ... and all for easy downloading to one hard disk and sharing, printing or tugging off.

A new survey really out to be commissioned amongst the young men of today ... have you ever had, or do you know anyone who has had, a tug to something you have seen or read on the Pee-dia?

Why ... it probably is "a Zionist-sympathizer/One World Government conspiracy to sap the moral fortitude of our young men, confuse their minds with garbage and offend our sisterhood".

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[A Horse With No Name]

I am curious: The Three Stooges were Jewish. Does that mean Kev hates The Three Stooges? (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/blink.gif)

[Somey]

I am curious: The Three Stooges were Jewish. Does that mean Kev hates The Three Stooges? (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/blink.gif)

That could be a problem. And the Marx Brothers too!

[Cock-up-over-conspiracy]

Well, if it is him, at least he doesn't seem to be singling out Jewish porn actresses. That might tend to suggest he's grown up a bit in the last ten years or so...

m.
Surely, if that was his agenda, it would prove more of a point to leave all the Jewish domination of the pornography industry IN the Pee-dia rather than remove it?

This is a interesting issue ... but I think the guy is right for wanting to remove all the junk. Very, many respectable and small 'c' conservative family people would entirely agree with him. Perhaps the ruckus as he attempts to do so will provide drama enough to have the issue address? Have you checked out the ridiculousness of some of those hoes BLPs?

Worst case scenario, it is a "your enemies' enemies are your friends" time, folks.

I suppose we should just stop the argument here and ask Jimbo's "poor starving African girl" for whom all this "knowledge" in Wikipedia is really meant for ... and ask whether or not she thinks it is going to help her "save the world" or not?

[Somey]

Surely, if that was his agenda, it would prove more of a point to leave all the Jewish domination of the pornography industry IN the Pee-dia rather than remove it?

This is a interesting issue ... but I think the guy is right for wanting to remove all the junk. Very, many respectable and small 'c' conservative family people would entirely agree with him. Perhaps the ruckus as he attempts to do so will provide drama enough to have the issue address? Have you checked out the ridiculousness of some of those hoes BLPs?

Well, two or three I suppose. But I see this as just another example of reverse double-bind thinking - remember that from their (WP's) perspective, information about pornography is a feature of the website, in that it brings in more people than it repels. "Drama" regarding pornography is even better, so Mr. O'Keefe here is allowed to create some - it's win-win, as far as they're concerned. Ultimately, he might succeed in getting one or two porn-actress BLP's deleted, but given his personal history, this will be interpreted by interested/established WP'ers as an attempt to impose fascistic censorship, etc., etc., etc., and the overall effort will be not only rejected, but used as a justification for further enshrinement of whatever "notability guideline" allows such articles to exist. And of course, more drama will ensue, which is the real point of all this (again, from the WP perspective).

I suppose we should just stop the argument here and ask Jimbo's "poor starving African girl" for whom all this "knowledge" in Wikipedia is really meant for ... and ask whether or not she thinks it is going to help her "save the world" or not?

Interesting question - it depends on how you define "children," doesn't it? Starving or not, African male children over the age of, say, 14 or 15 presumably have as much need for pornography as anyone else.

[KevinOKeeffe]

Your hate directed toward the JCC was 1999 and at that time you immediately tried to tender an "apology" which your victims found self-serving and insincere. Maybe not so much has changed.

You are mistaken. I never issued any apology to the Albert L. Schultz Jewish Community Center in Palo Alto, California. After they called a public rally, complete with Joan Baez publicly denouncing me, I deemed our accounts in balance.

In any event, I have been repeatedly denounced for refusing to embrace White Nationalism, by people who's opinions are of more interest to me than yours (by simple virtue of the fact that I am much better acquainted with them), even if I do remain a radical rightist on various issues on socio-political controversy. In our society, many former neo-Nazis and the like suddenly turn 180 degrees and become liberals. I leave it to the reader to decide which is more likely to be sincere, the former neo-Nazi who wakes up one day and declares "Multiculturalism is actually a GREAT idea!," or the one who has simply altered his worldview to some significant extent over the passage of years, but remains an adherent to opinions still deemed unfashionable by the dominant majority.

Nobody responded to my suggestion

Why was this do you think?

The overwhelming evidence is that most people on the planet are not particularly motivated to think very deeply about much of anything, let alone write a brief essay on a subject of intellectual depth.

It's so much easier just to glide past these things, or blithely dismiss the thoughtful work of others as incomprehensible nonsense or utter bollocks.

Well, for the record, I've never read Don Quixote, and thus wasn't under the impression my opinions about it would contain any great insight.

[KevinOKeeffe]

And while I no longer hate people for being Jewish, I did not subsequently decide it was a good idea to become an adherent to orthodox socio-political thought.

Meaning what, that you just have a sort of vague feeling of unease about them now, maybe?

In point of fact, and since you ask, I do happen to believe that the so-called "War on Terror" is little more than an excuse to wage war on Israel's enemies, and that this is, as they say, no accident. If you wish to characterize such criticism of United States foreign policy as "anti-Semitism," that is your privilege. The truth is that each end of the political spectrum has a blind spot on matters pertaining to the Middle East; people on the far-right blame the U.S. government's perfidious mass murder on Zionists, whereas people on the far-left blame it on the multinational petrochemical & defense industries. That is a false dichotomy. Its not one, its not the other; its both.

Just bear in mind that anti-semitism is one of those things we're very sensitive about here on WR... That doesn't mean we ban all such folks on sight or anything, but I'm afraid it does mean the pretext threshold is much lower.

Be that as it may, I never came to this board with any intention of discussing Zionism, or any other matters pertaining to American, European, and/or global Jewry. In every single instance (as we can see above), the subject was raised by others, and directed towards me. I have only responded to that which was put to me. If you don't want people discussing these matters here, I suggest you stop asking me about them, and request that others similarly refrain.

[KevinOKeeffe]

I am curious: The Three Stooges were Jewish. Does that mean Kev hates The Three Stooges? (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/blink.gif)

Negatory. Big Stooges fan. I even like the ones with Schemp, and Curly Joe.

Hell, I even like Seinfeld, and once read a Philip Roth novel.*

My favourite professor in college, Richard W. Steele, was also Jewish (I think), for that matter. They're a smart, clever, and creative people. I just don't like most of the powerful Jews. But then, I don't like most powerful White (Gentile) people, whether in the USA, Western Europe, Canada, or Australia/NZ, either. Nor am I real big on the leadership of the Peoples Republic of China, for that matter, or the Indian National Congress Party. Or the PRI in Mexico. Is there a pattern developing here?


*Not Portnoy's Complaint, just for the record.

[A Horse With No Name]

But then, I don't like most powerful White (Gentile) people, whether in the USA, Western Europe, Canada, or Australia/NZ, either.

You don't...this is a harsh shock...but you don't like Mr. Ontario himself, our beloved Xeno? Oh, the humanity! (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/unhappy.gif)

I just don't like most of the powerful Jews.

What, like the professional wrestler Goldberg? You're intimidated by tall, muscular Jewish men? (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/blink.gif)

[GlassBeadGame]

Your hate directed toward the JCC was 1999 and at that time you immediately tried to tender an "apology" which your victims found self-serving and insincere. Maybe not so much has changed.

You are mistaken. I never issued any apology to the Albert L. Schultz Jewish Community Center in Palo Alto, California. After they called a public rally, complete with Joan Baez publicly denouncing me, I deemed our accounts in balance.

In any event, I have been repeatedly denounced for refusing to embrace White Nationalism, by people who's opinions are of more interest to me than yours (by simple virtue of the fact that I am much better acquainted with them), even if I do remain a radical rightist on various issues on socio-political controversy. In our society, many former neo-Nazis and the like suddenly turn 180 degrees and become liberals. I leave it to the reader to decide which is more likely to be sincere, the former neo-Nazi who wakes up one day and declares "Multiculturalism is actually a GREAT idea!," or the one who has simply altered his worldview to some significant extent over the passage of years, but remains an adherent to opinions still deemed unfashionable by the dominant majority.

I hate to interrupt this episode of Get to Know a Fascist but I guess that liberal media had it wrong:

Blovad dismissed O'Keefe's televised apology last week as a farce.

``He was naive enough to say he didn't hurt anyone,'' Blovad said. ``The psychological damage to our community has been immense. People are concerned, worried especially with this happening right after the shootings at the Los Angeles Jewish Community Center. We can't go along thinking, `This can't happen here' anymore.' ''

It sure can be hard out there with bullies like Joan Baez and the MSM. Did Miss Baez take your lunch money too?

By the way if you're "repeatedly denounced for refusing to embrace White Nationalism" you might be hanging out with some unpleasant folks. Funny thing is that it is Wikipedia's brand of right wing libertarianism that gives you cover and space to operate on WP. Most people there will never call you on your nutter nonsense. I know your a different kind of right wing nutcase but don't call them leftists.

[Moulton]

The dominant power is generally looked upon with apprehension (if not downright horror), even when the dominant power intends to be a benign and altruistic governor. The main problem here is that despite the best of intentions, the dominant power simply doesn't know how to govern a system of any sort, let alone one populated by denizens who fear or hate the government.

[KevinOKeeffe]

I seem to have picked up a stalker; I had six porn fandom spam articles just 36 hours shy of the seven-day PROD countdown to Deletion, when this clown (User:Chuthya) removed them all in the space of a few minutes.* He now votes Keep, and adds the following line to all my Nominations for Deletion: "Nominator is attempting to disrupt Wikipedia to make a point." Apparently, nominating 2-3 articles per week is major disruption over at Wikipedia. Fortunately, I laid low, and participated as an editor for over four-and-a-half years before I Nominated my first article for Deletion, so my plan to disrupt Wikipedia is going exceedingly well, were it not for the depredations of this meddlesome kid! Curses, foiled again!

Anyway, his User page is good for a chuckle; I think it constitutes some sort of coding error. What is far more interesting is his repeatedly blanked Talk page, where he attempts to conceal the fact he is a serial vandal:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=298744822

This is the high-quality sort of enemy you make, when you attempt to delete the articles about the only women (mom excepted) that play any role in the lives of such people....

Three of the articles I have Nominated for Deletion (of about 6-7 total, over the course of 10-12 days - MAJOR disruption!) look like they may be Deleted. Admins have a lot of discretion on that, so we'll see what happens.

One thing I have learned; don't bother re-Nominating porn spam articles for Deletion a second time. No one will even bother to vote on such Nominations, even if the first Nomination occurred in 2007. You only get one chance each with these things, apparently.


*It seems he's only responsible for de-PRODing five of my six nearly-Deleted porn spam articles. Some other twit beat him to the punch on the other one.

[A Horse With No Name]

After they called a public rally, complete with Joan Baez publicly denouncing me, I deemed our accounts in balance.

When Joan stopped by, did she get to sing "The Night They Drove Ol' Dixie Down"? I love her version of the song. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/smile.gif)

[KevinOKeeffe]

I hate to interrupt this episode of Get to Know a Fascist but I guess that liberal media had it wrong

Yes, apparently they did. It'd hardly be the first time. They can characterize some remarks I made to a local television reporter as "an apology," but that doesn't make it so.

It sure can be hard out there with bullies like Joan Baez and the MSM. Did Miss Baez take your lunch money too?

As a matter of fact, yes. And I want my $2.25 back!

[GlassBeadGame]

I hate to interrupt this episode of Get to Know a Fascist but I guess that liberal media had it wrong

Yes, apparently they did. It'd hardly be the first time. They can characterize some remarks I made to a local television reporter as "an apology," but that doesn't make it so.

It sure can be hard out there with bullies like Joan Baez and the MSM. Did Miss Baez take your lunch money too?

As a matter of fact, yes. And I want my $2.25 back!

My point is that your "untreated bi-polar illness" is nonsense to free you from the responsibilities of your actions and the stigma of getting caught. You maintain the same ideology while trying to clean up your image by denying the most repugnant aspects. But your saying "my illness made me do it" now shows the same pattern of insincere "change" evidenced by your "apology" then.

What I am saying is that when you say you have changed you are lying. Who knows what you might still be willing to do in darkness when you don't think you'd get caught?

[thekohser]

Over the last week (and for the foreseeable future)...

And Wikipedia ensnares yet another victim...

As I said... Are you paying attention, Kevin?

[Moulton]

After they called a public rally, complete with Joan Baez publicly denouncing me, I deemed our accounts in balance.

When Joan stopped by, did she get to sing "The Night They Drove Ol' Dixie Down"? I love her version of the song. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/smile.gif)

It's one of my favorite dithyrambs, too. Over the past decade, I've adapted different versions of "The Night They Drove Old Moulton Down" on sites ranging from Cafe Utne to Wikipedia and Wikiversity.

[KevinOKeeffe]

My point is that your "untreated bi-polar illness" is nonsense to free you from the responsibilities of your actions and the stigma of getting caught. You maintain the same ideology while trying to clean up your image by denying the most repugnant aspects. But your saying "my illness made me do it" now shows the same pattern of insincere "change" evidenced by your "apology" then.

What I am saying is that when you say you have changed you are lying. Who knows what you might still be willing to do in darkness when you don't think you'd get caught?

Kevin Riley O'Keeffe: So anti-Semitic he once shot a man just for being circumcised!

Anyway, I'll take you seriously right after I see some evidence you hound far-leftists for the tens of millions slaughtered in the Gulag. Until then, its just more of the usual "those-guys-are-really-bad-'cause-they're-on-the-right-and-people-on-the-right-are-big-meanies!" schtick that has become so cliched in recent decades. History is a rough game. If you want to pretend the European far-right of the 1930s & 40s represents the ultimate in evil, and that people associated with that ideological tendency in years past (yet secretly, in their hearts, they retain their fidelity to the Swastika!) constitute some particular faction of significance that you are obligated to challenge wherever you find it, by all means, enjoy your LARPing. We can even pretend you shot me with a bazooka. Check it out! "Argh! You got me! Now fascism will not prevail!"

Are we done, by any chance? Or do you want to talk about my past some more?

Over the last week (and for the foreseeable future)...

And Wikipedia ensnares yet another victim...

As I said... Are you paying attention, Kevin?

I believe you're trying to be helpful, but I'm not certain I understand your point. You still edit Wikipedia too, right?

[Grep]

... and all this has what, precisely, to do with Wikipedia?

[grievous]

I believe you're trying to be helpful, but I'm not certain I understand your point. You still edit Wikipedia too, right?

I'm sure he does. But he doesn't do it to go on a personal crusade to rid Wikipedia of the "scum and villany" of its biographies of adult film actresses.

But, hey, if it distracts you from your normal activities of fire-bombing jewish centers, more power to you.

[Grep]

Would someone tarpit this please?

[carbuncle]

... and all this has what, precisely, to do with Wikipedia?

Mr O'Keefe is running for a position as a WMF Trustee.

While there have been some rash speculations (and some outright cheap shots) in this thread, is it tarpit-worthy? After all, the information about O'Keefe's past actions and conviction are well documented and he has confirmed them.

[Somey]

Mr O'Keefe is running for a position as a WMF Trustee. ... While there have been some rash speculations (and some outright cheap shots) in this thread, is it tarpit-worthy?

Just to be on the safe side, we should probably wait until the elections are over, and then only tarpit the thread if Mr. O'Keefe actually loses. And for all we know, he might prefer having this all out in the open.

To be honest, I've hardly met anyone personally who I'd describe as a "Nazi" or "white supremacist," so maybe I shouldn't judge... but at least Mr. O'Keefe here does seem much more polite and respectful than the ones you see on TV. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/blink.gif)

[Moulton]

He's not as far gone as Filll Bob Stevens.

Over the course of two years, Filll has morphed into a raving lunatic.

[GlassBeadGame]

... and all this has what, precisely, to do with Wikipedia?

Mr O'Keefe is running for a position as a WMF Trustee.

While there have been some rash speculations (and some outright cheap shots) in this thread, is it tarpit-worthy? After all, the information about O'Keefe's past actions and conviction are well documented and he has confirmed them.

Oddly there seems to be no way for such an obviously relevant matter to be a part of the WP board election process other than WR. It didn't get mentioned in Mr. O'Keef's candidate statement, what with the word limit and need to dis lefties. No vetting for criminal background seems to be any part of the "office validation" as for age and identity. It is not a part of the Signposts in-depth interview with Mr. O'Keef. I suppose someone could ask in he candidate question section "Are any of the candidates the person known by the Palo Alto press in 1999 as the 'JCC Hate Caller?' " and see if anyone responds.

[grievous]

I think we can believe the veracity of somone who claims to have bi-polarism when the include they following statements in the same essay:

Since freedom of speech would seem to be part and parcel to the mission of the WikiMedia Foundation's various projects, I believe it is important for persons who adhere to unfashionable, tabu, far right socio-political doctrines, to be represented in the halls of power, as it were, within the WikiMedia milieu...In the event I am elected, I swear that I shall do my utmost to always be objective, and to always seek to promote ideological neutrality in a proactive manner.

(IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/rolleyes.gif)

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[Milton Roe]

I am curious: The Three Stooges were Jewish. Does that mean Kev hates The Three Stooges? (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/blink.gif)

Negatory. Big Stooges fan. I even like the ones with Schemp, and Curly Joe.

Hell, I even like Seinfeld, and once read a Philip Roth novel.*

My favourite professor in college, Richard W. Steele, was also Jewish (I think), for that matter. They're a smart, clever, and creative people. I just don't like most of the powerful Jews. But then, I don't like most powerful White (Gentile) people, whether in the USA, Western Europe, Canada, or Australia/NZ, either. Nor am I real big on the leadership of the Peoples Republic of China, for that matter, or the Indian National Congress Party. Or the PRI in Mexico. Is there a pattern developing here?

Well, perhaps you're trying to develop into a libertarian. But got sidetracked by an early identification of American Jews = American liberalism/socialism/communism (easy enough) due to not having been immunized by the likes of Ayn Rand and (especially) Milton Friedman (whose book and TV series Free to Choose I wish was on all reading lists for political philosophy courses).

It's also easy to think you're seeing "Jewish politics" when you're actually seeing "urban decay politics" due to Jews being quintessential urbanites in the US (and long before that, in Europe). It's not Jews that are the problem so much as big cities and the attitudes they inculcate in people who live in them. People who come from places with low population densities are derided by urbanites as uncultured rednecks and rubes, when the fact is that these people merely have different cultures, not no culture. Knowledge of wines and symphonies and ballet and where to get the best sushi, has been replaced by other skills and knowledge. Rural people know the horrors of the inner city don't have to be that way, and know also that they aren't caused by racism so much as bad education and lack of will. The life expectancy of African Americans in Washington, D.C. is 65. In Utah, the life expectancy of African Americans is 75. There is no fountain of life in Utah, and there are a hell of a lot more firearms than in D.C. So you explain it.

Unfortunately (at least in the US) there are certain ethnic voting fractions who "don't get out much." It's not coincidence you find skinheads hanging out in Idaho or Nevada-- but it's not that these places breed these people; rather it's that these people are fleeing the cities to whereever they can. What the skinheads have failed to understand, however, is that the ideological conflict is not really racial, but between people who believe in self-sufficiency, and those who don't; in the US, "race" and "ethnicity" are only (poor) proxies for this. But if you go to Alaska or Utah you see that living in fear is only necessary if your government demands it by insisting that it do all the important jobs for you. The prisons in both states are full of out-of-state gang-bangers who came to prey on the rubes, and found well-armed folks unwilling to put up with that shit. Most of the imprisoned are lucky to be alive, actually.

That's the American West. "Bi-coastal" liberal "sophisticates" have no clue. Obama, though I voted for him, I'm sure has no clue. I'm hoping that in doing the jobs we elected him to do, it won't matter that much.

[sbrown]

My favourite professor in college, Richard W. Steele, was also Jewish (I think), for that matter.

Indeed a quick google of "Richard Steele" jewish comes up with this:

http://www.jewishcare.org/news/yjcs-the-sets-pub-quiz/

[KevinOKeeffe]

I believe you're trying to be helpful, but I'm not certain I understand your point. You still edit Wikipedia too, right?

I'm sure he does. But he doesn't do it to go on a personal crusade to rid Wikipedia of the "scum and villany" of its biographies of adult film actresses.

A shame. Perhaps he should.

Of course, I do a lot of other things on Wikipedia as well (I've been active there since January of 2005; my anti-porn "crusade" began about two weeks ago). For example, I'm presently doing these really cool Electoral History sections for all of California's Congressional delegation (including their runs for other offices). In the last week or so, I have thus far completed them for all the California Congressional representatives from Districts 1-11 (minus Ellen Tauscher in District 10; someone beat me to it), plus Mike Honda in District 15 (perhaps not suprisingly, I began with my own Congressman).

The ones for Tom McClintock, Dan Lungren, and Nancy Pelosi were really kind of a bitch. Just on that project, I've added around 200KB of content to Wikipedia in about the last week. If you think I'm just PRODing porn spam articles, think again. Although I most assuredly am doing that as well.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_McClintoc...ectoral_History

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Lungren#Electoral_History

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electoral_his...cy_Pelosi#Races

But, hey, if it distracts you from your normal activities of fire-bombing jewish centers, more power to you.

Now now, let us not go making up slanders! (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/thumbsdown.gif)

Well, perhaps you're trying to develop into a libertarian.

I used to be a libertarian, before my neo-Nazi phase. I was a Delegate representing Santa Clara County at the Libertarian Party state convention in Los Angeles, in 1994. These days, I wouldn't precisely characterize my views as "libertarian," yet that's about as close as the American political system comes to my personal take on things. I switched my registration from Democrat to Republican in December of 2007, in order to vote for Ron Paul in the California Republican Presidential primary (I had previously switched my registration from Republican to Democrat on March 17th, 2003, in order to protest the invasion of Iraq - I remember the date because it was St. Patrick's Day, as well as three days prior to the actual invasion on 3/20/03).

I think we can believe the veracity of somone who claims to have bi-polarism when the include they following statements in the same essay:

Since freedom of speech would seem to be part and parcel to the mission of the WikiMedia Foundation's various projects, I believe it is important for persons who adhere to unfashionable, tabu, far right socio-political doctrines, to be represented in the halls of power, as it were, within the WikiMedia milieu...In the event I am elected, I swear that I shall do my utmost to always be objective, and to always seek to promote ideological neutrality in a proactive manner.

(IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/rolleyes.gif)

I believe that was an entirely rational statement; Wikipedia already has an enormous bias to the mainstream left, so getting some people on the far-right into its halls of power, as it were, would help create a more ideologically-neutral environment.

... and all this has what, precisely, to do with Wikipedia?

Mr O'Keefe is running for a position as a WMF Trustee.

While there have been some rash speculations (and some outright cheap shots) in this thread, is it tarpit-worthy? After all, the information about O'Keefe's past actions and conviction are well documented and he has confirmed them.

In the event this thread is consigned to The Tarpit, could we possibly keep those posts here, that are actually on-topic? My "crusade" continues, you know, and I expect to have more favourable results to report shortly.

[KevinOKeeffe]

And another one bites the dust....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christina_Aguchi

I wasn't too happy with the result of another Nomination, however, particularly in light of the complete and total lack of Notability; if this person's article was not considered to lack notability, it is difficult to understand how ANY adult film performer could be said to lack notability...which I suspect is rather the point. Fortunately, wiser heads prevailed in the case of Ms. Aguchi's article above, and thus the fight goes on....

Here's where Admin SoWhy screwed me, or more precisely, how he screwed over Wikipedia by allowing such crap to remain, over the objections of a democratic majority: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Art...2nd_nomination)

My stalker neglected to dePROD another porn spam article I had PRODed (presumably, an oversight), so I was all set to announce a second victory, but just a few hours before the seven day deletion interval expired, some other goofball dePRODed it, and falsely claimed that her two AVN award nominations (both for 2009) established her at notable as per WP:Pornbio, however the WP:Pornbio criteria explicitly states that if an article's subject is relying on mere award nominations to demonstrate their notability, those nominations must occur in two or more years. I wonder if he was consciously lying, or just being an imbecile? False dichotomy, perhaps?

[A Horse With No Name]

Here's where Admin SoWhy screwed me, or more precisely, how he screwed over Wikipedia by allowing such crap to remain, over the objections of a democratic majority: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Art...2nd_nomination)

Hey, and all this time I thought SoWhy was only interested in CSD tagging. Who knew that he had a thing for painted ladies in minimal clothing? Way to go, SoWhy! (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/evilgrin.gif)

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[KevinOKeeffe]

And still another one bites the dust....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Jane_Hamilton

I PRODed this one, but the guy who de-PRODed it took it upon himself to Nominate it for Deletion. And even though the majority of the votes were to Keep, it was Deleted.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Art...h_Jane_Hamilton

[sbrown]

The AfD has been reopened.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=306236213

[A Horse With No Name]

The AfD has been reopened.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=306236213

Mmmm, Horsey likes this one, too! (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/evilgrin.gif)

Hey, Kev, find another hobby -- you are robbing Wikipedia of its cultural coverage! (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/rolleyes.gif)

[Sarcasticidealist]

Hey, Kev, find another hobby

You might want to reconsider this plea, in light of his past choice in hobbies.

[A Horse With No Name]

Hey, Kev, find another hobby

You might want to reconsider this plea, in light of his past choice in hobbies.

Maybe we should set Kev up with a date? Say, let's see if he wants to go out with Risker. If those pictures of her from the New York Wiki smackdown are any indication, she could probably use a bit of goosing. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/rolleyes.gif)

Kev, what do you say? Are you up for it? (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/wink.gif)

[Enric_Naval]

And Alaura Eden is back... this time with sources! Oh, wait, the sources are crap, aren't they? Send it to AfD.



Proud member of the POTMINARAFFS (Playmate Of The Month Is Not A Real Award FFS)

[A Horse With No Name]

Looks like Kev made a boo-boo in stating one of his WMF rivals was not Christian: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Kev...effe#Correction (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/hmmm.gif)

[sbrown]

And Alaura Eden is back... this time with sources!

I love the tags these articles get:

"This article about a pornographic actor or actress is a stub. You can help Wikipedia by expanding it."

Looks like Kev made a boo-boo in stating one of his WMF rivals was not Christian:

Thats incredible ignorance on his part. Koenigsberg as a surname probably just means his ancestors came from that city (then in Germany now in Russia and called Kaliningrad) and is an ordinary East European name. Would anyone think everyone called Danziger is Jewish?

[Milton Roe]

I love the tags these articles get:

"This article about a pornographic actor or actress is a stub. You can help Wikipedia by expanding it."

The only thing better is if the porn actor stub tags specially said "You can help Wikipedia by fluffing it." (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/smile.gif)

[KevinOKeeffe]

The AfD has been reopened.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=306236213

Yes, I noticed that. Most irritating.

Hey, Kev, find another hobby

You might want to reconsider this plea, in light of his past choice in hobbies.

Indeed. The last thing this world needs is a 38-year old Advanced Dungeons & Dragons player. Oh wait, you probably meant...never mind.

Maybe we should set Kev up with a date? Say, let's see if he wants to go out with Risker. If those pictures of her from the New York Wiki smackdown are any indication, she could probably use a bit of goosing. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/rolleyes.gif)

Kev, what do you say? Are you up for it? (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/wink.gif)

I'd probably want to see that pic before I could say whether I would be up for it, as it were, but I'm pretty sure my wife wouldn't be down with it, as the kids say.

And Alaura Eden is back... this time with sources! Oh, wait, the sources are crap, aren't they? Send it to AfD.

Unfortunately, her AVN award nominations in 2004 & 2008 meet WP:Pornbio criteria for Notability (if you've never won an award, you have to be nominated in multiple years). Heck, she might have had those all along; she was one of my very first PRODs, and it wasn't until later that day that it occurred to me I might have more success if I had some idea what the Hell I was doing, and so read up on WP:Pornbio. In any event, I no longer PROD articles which blatantly meet WP:Pornbio criteria. Probably a good policy for me.

[Enric_Naval]

And Alaura Eden is back... this time with sources! Oh, wait, the sources are crap, aren't they? Send it to AfD.

Unfortunately, her AVN award nominations in 2004 & 2008 meet WP:Pornbio criteria for Notability (if you've never won an award, you have to be nominated in multiple years). Heck, she might have had those all along; she was one of my very first PRODs, and it wasn't until later that day that it occurred to me I might have more success if I had some idea what the Hell I was doing, and so read up on WP:Pornbio. In any event, I no longer PROD articles which blatantly meet WP:Pornbio criteria. Probably a good policy for me.

Geeez, one of those noms is not for her, but for a scene where she appears "Best All-Girl Couples Sex Scene", which has 16 frigging nominees. Might be worth sending to AfD.

[KevinOKeeffe]

And Alaura Eden is back... this time with sources! Oh, wait, the sources are crap, aren't they? Send it to AfD.

Unfortunately, her AVN award nominations in 2004 & 2008 meet WP:Pornbio criteria for Notability (if you've never won an award, you have to be nominated in multiple years). Heck, she might have had those all along; she was one of my very first PRODs, and it wasn't until later that day that it occurred to me I might have more success if I had some idea what the Hell I was doing, and so read up on WP:Pornbio. In any event, I no longer PROD articles which blatantly meet WP:Pornbio criteria. Probably a good policy for me.

Geeez, one of those noms is not for her, but for a scene where she appears "Best All-Girl Couples Sex Scene", which has 16 frigging nominees. Might be worth sending to AfD.

You think so, and I agree...but there's no provision in WP:Pornbio for a nomination for a notable porn award (I reject entirely the notion that "notable porn awards" exist, but they ain't asking me) carrying less weight, merely because it is given to 16 different people, alas. I might want to consider raising this as an issue for modifying the WP:Pornbio criteria, however. Like if more than say, ten people, share a single nomination for a film appearance, it doesn't count. I doubt that would fly, however.

On the brighter side, another one down:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luci_Thai

(and this one's a bonus, because her pseudonym was basically an insult to the entire Kingdom of Thailand)

Also, maybe its just the random eddies & current of the chaos of the Universe, but I kinda think I've managed to put together a little miniature following among WP Deletionists. It used to be very difficult for me to get people to support my Nominations for Deletion. But there's been a sea change of some sort in last 3-4 days, and suddenly I'm picking up a lot more support. I think a few friendly people are monitoring my edits, because as soon as I vote to Delete someone else's porn nomination, a swarm of other people do so as well. I'm frankly not surprised to have perhaps discovered an undercurrent of dissatisfaction that my little "crusade" has helped to stimulate into action. I was actually kinda hoping something like that would happen....Now if maybe some of these people would start nominating porn articles, too (and for the record, there have been some other porn articles nominated recently, so my little "crusade" may be on the verge of becoming "our" little crusade. We'll see. Hope does spring Eternal, like I noted recently elsewhere....

[A Horse With No Name]

Maybe we should set Kev up with a date? Say, let's see if he wants to go out with Risker. If those pictures of her from the New York Wiki smackdown are any indication, she could probably use a bit of goosing. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/rolleyes.gif)

Kev, what do you say? Are you up for it? (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/wink.gif)

I'd probably want to see that pic before I could say whether I would be up for it, as it were, but I'm pretty sure my wife wouldn't be down with it, as the kids say.

Here ya go, Woolly Bully: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wik...portrait_18.jpg -- she's all yours! (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/boing.gif)(IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/boing.gif)(IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/boing.gif)(IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/boing.gif) (A four-boing salute!)

The AfD has been reopened.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=306236213

And closed as "No Consensus"! Hooray for Sarah Jane! (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/evilgrin.gif)

[KevinOKeeffe]

I'd probably want to see that pic before I could say whether I would be up for it, as it were, but I'm pretty sure my wife wouldn't be down with it, as the kids say.

Here ya go, Woolly Bully: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wik...portrait_18.jpg -- she's all yours! (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/boing.gif)(IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/boing.gif)(IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/boing.gif)(IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/boing.gif) (A four-boing salute!)

I must decline your generous (?) offer.

[Somey]

My stalker neglected to dePROD another porn spam article I had PRODed (presumably, an oversight), so I was all set to announce a second victory...

Please, try to avoid using the word "stalker" unless referring to real-world physical stalking behavior of which you have legitimate evidence.

[A Horse With No Name]

My stalker neglected to dePROD another porn spam article I had PRODed (presumably, an oversight), so I was all set to announce a second victory...

Please, try to avoid using the word "stalker" unless referring to real-world physical stalking behavior of which you have legitimate evidence.

...or a great Russian movie. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/wink.gif)

[Somey]

...or a great Russian movie. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/wink.gif)

Y'know, a guy I know whose parents were Russian, and who speaks fluent Russian himself, told me that the actual word used as the title to the original Russian version of that movie - which, I'll agree, is a fine bit of cinema, though somewhat slow and maybe a bit too depressing for jaded American audiences - is practically untranslatable into English. A more accurate word might have been "tracker" or even "explorer," but he told me it's meant to refer to someone who deliberately goes into the woods by himself to survive entirely on his wits for an indefinite period of time. In English, we'd probably be more likely to use the word "lunatic" for someone like that, but in the Russian wilderness, it's apparently seen as some sort of cool macho thing.

This guy could have been lying, I suppose, but he had seen the movie. (Not with me, you understand - I didn't see it until much later, when it showed up on IFC or some such cable channel).

[LaraLove]

...or a great Russian movie. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/wink.gif)

Y'know, a guy I know whose parents were Russian, and who speaks fluent Russian himself, told me that the actual word used as the title to the original Russian version of that movie - which, I'll agree, is a fine bit of cinema, though somewhat slow and maybe a bit too depressing for jaded American audiences - is practically untranslatable into English. A more accurate word might have been "tracker" or even "explorer," but he told me it's meant to refer to someone who deliberately goes into the woods by himself to survive entirely on his wits for an indefinite period of time. In English, we'd probably be more likely to use the word "lunatic" for someone like that, but in the Russian wilderness, it's apparently seen as some sort of cool macho thing.

This guy could have been lying, I suppose, but he had seen the movie. (Not with me, you understand - I didn't see it until much later, when it showed up on IFC or some such cable channel).

Roger Took thought it was good times venturing into the Russian Lapland. He took like a two-week survival course, a little bit of arms training, and studied some maps and the history of the area and people before he walked his ass into the Murmansk_Oblast and Kola Peninsula.

[GlassBeadGame]

My stalker neglected to dePROD another porn spam article I had PRODed (presumably, an oversight), so I was all set to announce a second victory...

Please, try to avoid using the word "stalker" unless referring to real-world physical stalking behavior of which you have legitimate evidence.

You know, like when someone repeatedly calls a Jewish Community Center and threatens harm on the heals of a shooting spree at a similar center in the same state.

[Enric_Naval]

The AfD has been reopened.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=306236213

And closed as "No Consensus"! Hooray for Sarah Jane! (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/evilgrin.gif)

Nooooooo (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/ohmy.gif) It always annoys me a bit when a AfD or XfD closes differently from how I !voted. It reminds that I am not always right (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/laugh.gif)

So, who's the next target in the delete-all-porn-bios conspiracy?

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[KevinOKeeffe]

So, who's the next target in the delete-all-porn-bios conspiracy?

Well, since you asked, here's yesterday's nominee:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Art...2nd_nomination)

[A Horse With No Name]

So, who's the next target in the delete-all-porn-bios conspiracy?

Well, since you asked, here's yesterday's nominee:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Art...2nd_nomination)

Phooey! You're no fun, Kev! (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/angry.gif)

[Enric_Naval]

So, who's the next target in the delete-all-porn-bios conspiracy?

Well, since you asked, here's yesterday's nominee:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Art...2nd_nomination)

Phooey! You're no fun, Kev! (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/angry.gif)

Ah, but, you know, she could be famous in Hungary (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/evilgrin.gif) ..... only that I later realized that the hungarian version of the article was nuked at the hungarian wikipedia for not fullfilling their own PORNBIO, which is similar to the english wikipedia one.

[grievous]

So, who's the next target in the delete-all-porn-bios conspiracy?

Well, since you asked, here's yesterday's nominee:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Art...2nd_nomination)

Phooey! You're no fun, Kev! (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/angry.gif)

Ah, but, you know, she could be famous in Hungary (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/evilgrin.gif) ..... only that I later realized that the hungarian version of the article was nuked at the hungarian wikipedia for not fullfilling their own PORNBIO, which is similar to the english wikipedia one.

You can read Hungarian?

[A Horse With No Name]

So, who's the next target in the delete-all-porn-bios conspiracy?

Well, since you asked, here's yesterday's nominee:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Art...2nd_nomination)

Phooey! You're no fun, Kev! (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/angry.gif)

Ah, but, you know, she could be famous in Hungary (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/evilgrin.gif) ..... only that I later realized that the hungarian version of the article was nuked at the hungarian wikipedia for not fullfilling their own PORNBIO, which is similar to the english wikipedia one.

You can read Hungarian?

I can read this type of Hungarian: http://photos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc...168827_2045.jpg

Horsey like! Horsey like! (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/boing.gif)(IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/boing.gif)(IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/boing.gif)(IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/boing.gif)

[KevinOKeeffe]

And still another piece of Wiki porn spam trash in the bin....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maya_Ababadjani

[A Horse With No Name]

And still another piece of Wiki porn spam trash in the bin....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maya_Ababadjani

Egad, Kev, you're destroying the project! All of these relevant articles of serious female role models are being rubbed out to satisfy your puritan censorship philosophy. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/angry.gif)

How sad. Impressionable boys and jaded middle-aged men will wake up to a Wikipedia devoid of women they could look up....to. Look up to. Yeah, that's what I meant! (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/evilgrin.gif)

[GlassBeadGame]

And still another piece of Wiki porn spam trash in the bin....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maya_Ababadjani

Although I believe that Wikipedia ought to impose child protective measures and regard much sexually explicit subject matter, including biographies of pornographic actors inappropriate for an encyclopedia of general coverage that anyone can edit, I remain more concerned about children interacting with a "hate caller" and fascist than exposure to the content he seeks to delete.

[Tarc]

And still another piece of Wiki porn spam trash in the bin....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maya_Ababadjani

Are you turning over rocks to find non-notable male porn actors as well? Seems like quite a misogynist-tinged crusade so far.

[A Horse With No Name]

Are you turning over rocks to find non-notable male porn actors as well? Seems like quite a misogynist-tinged crusade so far.

Good point! C'mon, Kev, why don't you pick on somebody your own size? (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/evilgrin.gif)

[Milton Roe]

Are you turning over rocks to find non-notable male porn actors as well? Seems like quite a misogynist-tinged crusade so far.

Good point! C'mon, Kev, why don't you pick on somebody your own size? (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/evilgrin.gif)

(IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/laugh.gif)

So, who's the next target in the delete-all-porn-bios conspiracy?

Well, since you asked, here's yesterday's nominee:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Art...2nd_nomination)

Phooey! You're no fun, Kev! (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/angry.gif)

Ah, but, you know, she could be famous in Hungary (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/evilgrin.gif) ..... only that I later realized that the hungarian version of the article was nuked at the hungarian wikipedia for not fullfilling their own PORNBIO, which is similar to the english wikipedia one.

You can read Hungarian?

I can read this type of Hungarian: http://photos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc...168827_2045.jpg

Horsey like! Horsey like! (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/boing.gif)(IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/boing.gif)(IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/boing.gif)(IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/boing.gif)

You hairy hound from Budapest!

[A Horse With No Name]

You hairy hound from Budapest!

I am not Theodore Bikel.

Though whenever I travel to Hungary, I am sometimes mistaken for one of its more notable celebrities! (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/wink.gif)

[KevinOKeeffe]

Are you turning over rocks to find non-notable male porn actors as well? Seems like quite a misogynist-tinged crusade so far.

I already addressed that issue: I'm going after the female porn actors first. After I'm done with them, I will then start with the male actors (actually, I anticipate there being some overlap later in the year, when I start running out of female porn spam articles to PROD). The articles are listed by sex, and its easier to work from one list at a time, then managing numerous edits on two lists. Plus, the female porn stars are largely defended by teenage boys and older nerds-who-can't-get-laid. They are not the most organized & formidable of oppositions. When I go after the male porn stars, I'm likely to run up against opposition from gay activist-types, and they're likely to constitute a comparative juggernaut, as opposed to those young men who's only interaction with females is when they rudely order their mothers to heat them up some more Hot Pockets, and via their on-line jack-off material. I'd rather chalk up a string of relatively easy victories going after the female porn stars, before I stir up that particular hornet's nest. I can assure you, my opinion of male porn stars (whether straight or gay) is just as low as my opinion of female porn stars, if not more so.

[A Horse With No Name]

Damn you, Kev -- you went too far! Now you are trying to get rid of the article on one of the most important women in Canadian entertainment: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Envy_(pornographic_actress) (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/boing.gif)

That settles it, I'm calling in the big Canadian guns.

Hey, Xeno, get your big Canadian guns in here and clobber Kev! (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/hrmph.gif)

[KevinOKeeffe]

Still more deleted trash for porn spam file:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._R._Carrington