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From WikiEN-l:
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> "Had the Foundation formally notified a stalker that he or she was
> denied permission to access Wikipedia, the Foundation could then press
> charges for computer trespass against the stalker when he or she
> subsequently accessed the site. Such charges would give the
> authorities leverage to put the perp away; proving that case is far
> easier than proving the much harder stalking or harassment case --
> especially when the victim refuses to personally identify himself or
> herself to authorities."
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> (The rest of the post is definitely worth reading. It can be found at
> http://nonbovine-ruminations.blogspot.com/...a-al-qaeda.html
> It is, of course, in Ms. Martin's inimitable style; but she's not
> wrong on this.)

Well, I'm not generally a fan of Kelly but this makes an excellent point. My only concern is that having the Foundation get that involved could intertwine the Foundation with the individual projects more than we want. The Foundation is more important than any one editor and we must make sure that it is not liable. That said, this might work. Has anyone discussed it with Foundation higher ups.

The top of this quotation is someone quoting Kelly Martin. The last paragraph is from JoshuaZ commenting on Kelly's words.

At the same time that JoshuaZ is making this astute legal observation, he is also attempting to restore the redirect on Daniel_Brandt to reverse Doc's deletion of same. JoshuaZ is working at cross-purposes here. If that redirect gets restored I intend to try harder to isolate Wikipedia in the court of public opinion.

Why would I want to do this? Because if I try harder, Slim and others will interpret this as "stalking," and then maybe they will convince the Foundation to send me a cease and desist. Already Jimbo is on record as generally sympathetic with the "cyberstalking" point of view. At that point I'll have a piece of paper from the Foundation that pretty much signs away their presumed Section 230 immunity in my case, and I'll be ready to go to court.

Right now my feeling is that I don't have a case because:
1. my Wikipedia presence in the search engines has been greatly diminished since the redirect was deleted on December 1, and
2. the 2,600 history versions of Daniel_Brandt are difficult to find, thanks to Doc's more recent maneuver that nuked JoshuaZ's GFDL silliness.

If the redirect is restored, I believe that I have a case once again. Also, I sense that the statute of limitations is reset for defamation and invasion of privacy under Florida law. My next step will be to work harder to enlighten the public about the true nature of Wikipedia, and hope that someday the Foundation will see fit to send me a cease and desist. Then I'll sue them.

My instincts tell me that their presumed Section 230 immunity will be much weaker once I receive a cease and desist from the Foundation. The only boring part is that I'll have to create a bunch of socks and try to edit Wikipedia directly, so that I'm worthy of a C&D of this nature. Fortunately, I think there are enough mentions of me on various Talk pages that are sock-accessible, which means all I have to do is go in and delete them every place they're found. That's just to earn the C&D. The more effective part will be my escalating efforts to interest mainstream media in exposing the true nature of Wikipedia. As effective as that may be, it's not C&D-worthy, unless and until Mike Godwin loses his judgement.

I could sue JoshuaZ for stalking me on Wikipedia, I suppose, but that's useless. There are dozens of wikifascist stalkers ready and willing to take his place.
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It would be helpful if Joshua would publish a short list of the rare items on WR that he judges as helpful, so that we could vector our musings more in that mutually beneficial direction.
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Daniel Brandt   JoshuaZ looks at Section 230  
GlassBeadGame   From WikiEN-l: The top of this quotation is som...  
Daniel Brandt   I seems to me everyone is making a salad of DMCA,...  
Moulton   There is no reasonable appeal process within Wikip...  
Daniel Brandt   There is no reasonable appeal process within Wikip...  
Disillusioned Lackey   Are you guys following the ridiculous bullshit dis...  
Piperdown   Yale Law School apparently has failed him. Yale...  
Daniel Brandt   Daniel, why don't you just sue Joshua Zelinsky...  
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WhispersOfWisdom   There is no reasonable appeal process within Wiki...  
Jonny Cache   I read some of those posts where some admins were ...  
Daniel Brandt   I added this comment to the WP:DRV discussion:  
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Daniel Brandt   I filed an OTRS via email with a copy to Brion Vib...  
anthony   Whoever reads my OTRS will probably be afraid to ...  
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Disillusioned Lackey   [quote name='Disillusioned Lackey' post='67460' d...  
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Joseph100   Also some helpful information about wiki...see 990...  
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the fieryangel   [quote name='Joseph100' post='67482' date='Sun 16...  
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anthony   Having a registered agent is 100% normal Not on...  
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thekohser   If your registered agent is in, say, Delaware (qu...  
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Moulton   Mike Godwin's Email: mneumonic@well.com Not qu...  
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Moulton   The absence of due process at Wikipedia is a scien...  
KStreetSlave   Are you guys following the ridiculous bullshit di...  
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Somey   We'll have to take steps... If this isn't ...  
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Amarkov   And of course, carrying this out will cause all li...  
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Moulton   Science and applied math.  
Joseph100   Science and applied math. John Locke  
the fieryangel   Science and applied math. Well, folks, if there...  
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Moulton   Well, folks, if there's one place where money ...  
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Rootology   In regards to suing individual editors, is it any ...  
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WhispersOfWisdom   The WMF has virtually no money and no assets.; alb...  
Rootology   Wait, I thought *ALL* Foundation officers had to b...  
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anthony   [b]Beef. It's what's for dinner. That a...  
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Cynick   You could always meet some of these people in pers...  
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Somey   wow, don't mess with Somey! ... Heh heh......  
Piperdown   ...ace in the hole... uh-oh, no you did-int...  
The Joy   [quote name='Somey' post='67966' date='Tue 18th D...  
Daniel Brandt   Heh heh... Still, everyone should understand that...  
thekohser   Scroogle is blocked by some corporate firewalls as...  
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Amarkov   I think Google will get a full index considerably ...  
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Piperdown   Don't get me wrong, of course... The name red...  
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Proabivouac   I have never figured out why we censor names in t...  
Moulton   Where I stand: Wikipedia administrators should be...  
The Joy   Thanks to Krimpet and Ryulong! "Thanks t...  
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Somey   Actually, all this started from a private discussi...  
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