FT2 back in the ArbCom race, with lots to say about the happenings of 2008 Options

[Alison]

Heyyaz,

Looks like FT2 has put his name forward again. And he's got quite a lot of interesting things to say, including more on PoetHorde, certain alternate accounts and more on stuff that happened behind the scenes back in 2008.

Edit: And including about those 'oversighted edits' and the OrangeMarlin affair.

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[powercorrupts]

Heyyaz,

Looks like FT2 has put his name forward again. And he's got quite a lot of interesting things to say, including more on PoetHorde, certain alternate accounts and more on stuff that happened behind the scenes back in 2008.

Edit: And including about those 'oversighted edits' and the OrangeMarlin affair.

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Pop one:

Mobster boss OrangeMarlin is/was a cunt.

Pop two:

So is commissioner Jpgordon.

Funny how OM suddenly vanished without trace when the recession hit. I guess that's what happens when you now make your money supplying the medical profession. (talking about off-Wiki accounts).

[GlassBeadGame]

What does he have to say concerning his views on bestiality as a healthy form of sexual expression and his desire to make WP a resource that will provide young people with "issues" on the matter with a resource that will give them support and encouragement if they are considering having sex with animals?

[Obesity]

What does he have to say concerning his views on bestiality as a healthy form of sexual expression and his desire to make WP a resource that will provide young people with "issues" on the matter with a resource that will give them support and encouragement if they are considering having sex with animals?

why don't u ask him? you can submit your own questions to ArbCom candidates, you know.

are you afraid he'll post a 3,000 word, rambling and inpenetrable response that doesn't really answer the question?

[Ottava]

What does he have to say concerning his views on bestiality as a healthy form of sexual expression and his desire to make WP a resource that will provide young people with "issues" on the matter with a resource that will give them support and encouragement if they are considering having sex with animals?

why don't u ask him? you can submit your own questions to ArbCom candidates, you know.

are you afraid he'll post a 3,000 word, rambling and inpenetrable response that doesn't really answer the question?

I asked him directly at least 12 times if he thought Pedophiles had the "right" to edit WMF projects. He never answered.

How about someone asking him that for his ArbCom bid, especially seeing ArbCom's anti pedophile stance?

[GlassBeadGame]

What does he have to say concerning his views on bestiality as a healthy form of sexual expression and his desire to make WP a resource that will provide young people with "issues" on the matter with a resource that will give them support and encouragement if they are considering having sex with animals?

why don't u ask him? you can submit your own questions to ArbCom candidates, you know.

are you afraid he'll post a 3,000 word, rambling and inpenetrable response that doesn't really answer the question?

I asked him directly at least 12 times if he thought Pedophiles had the "right" to edit WMF projects. He never answered.

How about someone asking him that for his ArbCom bid, especially seeing ArbCom's anti pedophile stance?

You will get at his libertarian extremism via his views on bestiality on which he has a demonstrated record even without leaving WR. This ought to be sufficient to thwart his "election" without giving him the chance to take advantage of his lack of a record (AFAIK) on pedophilia. I think you can extrapolate for yourself where his "going bravely where no man has gone before" on the frontiers of human sexuality might take him on that issue, too. Of course this is Wikipedia where bizarre and repulsive views might be tolerated to an extent unimaginable elsewhere.

[EricBarbour]

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[Cla68]

Heyyaz,

Looks like FT2 has put his name forward again. And he's got quite a lot of interesting things to say, including more on PoetHorde, certain alternate accounts and more on stuff that happened behind the scenes back in 2008.

Edit: And including about those 'oversighted edits' and the OrangeMarlin affair.

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Pop one:

Mobster boss OrangeMarlin is/was a cunt.

Pop two:

So is commissioner Jpgordon.

Funny how OM suddenly vanished without trace when the recession hit. I guess that's what happens when you now make your money supplying the medical profession. (talking about off-Wiki accounts).

From what I've heard, OM did not vanish without a trace. Like several of the editors involved with the Intelligent Design episode, he apparently changed his account name in an attempt to escape the stigma of having been a member of the notorious "ID Cab", one of the most bullying and facist cabals ever to disgrace Wikipedia with its presence.　　He appears to have been successful to some extent, because I haven't see his new account name revealed here on WR yet, and I don't know what it is.

Anyway, all questions of FT2's idealogical philosophies aside, he really, really needs to work on using the English language in a concise manner to explain his ideas. Until he does that, he really shouldn't be running for ArbCom. FT2, I know you're reading this. Practice being short and concise. YOU CAN DO IT.

[Gruntled]

Heyyaz,

Looks like FT2 has put his name forward again.

Will Alison or someone else ask each of the other Arbcom candidates if they would be happy to serve alongside FT2? And would those candidates who have accounts here like to answer that?

[Mathsci]

Anyway, all questions of FT2's idealogical philosophies aside, he really, really needs to work on using the English language in a concise manner to explain his ideas. Until he does that, he really shouldn't be running for ArbCom. FT2, I know you're reading this. Practice being short and concise. YOU CAN DO IT.

At the moment his lengthy "extended statement" seems like a way of burying facts if they are there at all.

[powercorrupts]

Heyyaz,

Looks like FT2 has put his name forward again. And he's got quite a lot of interesting things to say, including more on PoetHorde, certain alternate accounts and more on stuff that happened behind the scenes back in 2008.

Edit: And including about those 'oversighted edits' and the OrangeMarlin affair.

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Pop one:

Mobster boss OrangeMarlin is/was a cunt.

Pop two:

So is commissioner Jpgordon.

Funny how OM suddenly vanished without trace when the recession hit. I guess that's what happens when you now make your money supplying the medical profession. (talking about off-Wiki accounts).

From what I've heard, OM did not vanish without a trace. Like several of the editors involved with the Intelligent Design episode, he apparently changed his account name in an attempt to escape the stigma of having been a member of the notorious "ID Cab", one of the most bullying and facist cabals ever to disgrace Wikipedia with its presence.　　He appears to have been successful to some extent, because I haven't see his new account name revealed here on WR yet, and I don't know what it is.

Anyway, all questions of FT2's idealogical philosophies aside, he really, really needs to work on using the English language in a concise manner to explain his ideas. Until he does that, he really shouldn't be running for ArbCom. FT2, I know you're reading this. Practice being short and concise. YOU CAN DO IT.

I agree with that. It's most important to be as unambiguous as possible of course, but there is so much to read on Wikipedia that being relatively concise is an invaluable skill, and one worth the self-training (although self-editing has its notorious pitfalls). Unless blustering is your thing (or the thing) I suppose.

Re OrangeMarlin:

So it was a 'Right to vanish' without disclosure? I wonder where you heard that. There really are no proper rules on Wikipedia are there. It's simply about whether you are likely to get blocked or not, and how long it will last if you do.

OM is such a naturally aggressive man, his new identity should stand out like a sore thumb. Unless he's being extremely careful I suppose. What he would love to be is an admin - so maybe that ambition is keeping him in check.

The OM/ FT2 thing was a typical battle of wiki armies. It's why they both came out pretty untarnished from it if I remember (I read up on it all after the event). OM in his newly protected state did very well out of it - it was a ticket to be as abusive as he pretty much liked, with his kiss-arse 'mentors' winging-in immediately if fool from the 'ignorant masses' had the gall to stand up to his 'personality'. It's the people who don't (or won't) support-build on WP that really have to worry about their actions.

There is a triple threat that stops Wikipedia being a reasonable and objective encyclopedia: desire, ability and structure (primarily being the style guides, and those who control them). OM had serious issues with all three, and when he was involved in the abuse of them it was always to remove stuff he simply didn't want to see on Wikipedia at all. In a sense, the Civility thing worked like a smoke-screen. It's that over-used label again, 'great content editor with civility issues', as if the two somehow 'naturally' come together. Those 'anti heroes' are always guns ablazing on that infernal Featured Article machine too.

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[Peter Damian]

Interesting there is no mention of the User:TBP account in his disclosure here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:FT2/ACE2...ended_statement

The TBP thread is here http://wikipediareview.com/index.php?s=&sh...indpost&p=99940

Regarding TBP, the preponderence of evidence indicates that it is FT2 and he used it to game an edit war on NLP. Though the TBP account has only 185 edits, it's intersected with FT2 on these 22 pages
1. Animal_cognition
2. Animal_loss
3. Animal_love
4. Death
5. Edgeplay
6. Emotion_in_animals
7. Enumclaw,_Washington
8. Ethology
9. Great_ape_personhood
10. Hani_Miletski
11. Kenneth_Pinyan
12. List_of_unusual_deaths
13. Loss
14. Mr_Hands
15. Neuro-linguistic_programming
16. Rainbow_Bridge_(pets)
17. Zoophilia
18. Zoosadism
19. Zoosexuality
20. Talk:Neuro-linguistic_programming
21. Talk:Zoophilia
22. Category:Zoosexuality
FT2 tacitly admits it's his sock on his user page. He brags

Created (or effectively rewritten) from scratch: [ ... ]Hani Miletski ... Kenneth Pinyan [ ... ]

. Both were created and substantially written by TBP, with only minor input from the FT2 account.

Between 17 October 2005 and 16 May 2006 the sockpuppet TBP made 185 edits, all in relation to animals, sex, animal sex or Neuro-linguistic programming. There is perhaps only one other editor on enwiki with similar tastes.

TBP's career highlights -
Started the article on Kenneth Pinyan, AKA Mr Hands, a man notable for dying in an unusual way.

Started the article on Hani Miletski, a pioneer in the study of beastiality.

Started the article on Emotion in animals.

Edited the article Edgeplay. Later, FT2 consulted current persona non grata Taxwoman on the subject.

Edit warred on Neuro-linguistic programming and sparred with HeadleyDown on Talk:Neuro-linguistic_programming.

HeadleyDown. I trained in NLP under John Seymour and Joseph O'Connor, the first two major UK trainers, in NLP, in 1990. I worked on NLP training courses 1991 - 1997. I trained for what is called the "Master Practitioner" under Robert Dilts and Judith Delozier in 1998, in Stanta Cruz, where NLP all began. And I had to look up what an engram was, because despite nearly 10 years training under several world-class NLP trainers, I had never heard the term or seen that viewpoint. Core NLP is not concerned with the biological mechanism of memory, but how it subjectively, functionally, works and can be worked with. This conflicts disturbingly with the above comment as to what is "core NLP". TBP 11:24, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

This eventually lead to FT2 filing Requests_for_arbitration/Neuro-linguistic_programming. FT2 actually brings up and dismisses the sock's involvement.

One editor, User:TBP, was explicitly self-identified as a sock puppet on his talk page before becoming involved in this article Oct 17 DIFF. He played no part in the vote or its discussion, and only a minor role in the talk page debate, mostly between Oct 27-29.

TBP quits editing 31 days before FT2's failed self-nomination for adminship. For his second, successful candidacy, he was nominated by jossi.

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[trenton]

Anyway, all questions of FT2's idealogical philosophies aside, he really, really needs to work on using the English language in a concise manner to explain his ideas. Until he does that, he really shouldn't be running for ArbCom. FT2, I know you're reading this. Practice being short and concise. YOU CAN DO IT.

I wonder.... if brevity is the soul of wit, does the inverse hold true?

[Peter Damian]

Vandenburg getting into a scrap with him now.

You have forgotten your lies, despite me confronting you about this on the arbcom mailing list just prior to your resignation, and then again privately, where you gave me an answer? John Vandenberg (chat) 05:10, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arb...s/FT2/Questions

Does anyone have any idea what this is about?

you only need to refer the discussion we had on Jan 7, 2009; the one I sent to you earlier, and also to Arbcom. There you describe your reasons for having provided the wrong information on Arbcom Wiki, only one of which was the "I live in this timezone, but I think in this other timezone" you are giving here. John Vandenberg (chat) 08:59, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration_Committee_Elections_December_2010/Candidates/FT2/Questions"

What is all this?

[cyofee]

FT2 is an early riser?

[Ottava]

Vandenburg getting into a scrap with him now.

...

What is all this?

100% respectable and non-abusive nor controversial ex-Arb Sam Blacketer enters for then win. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/biggrin.gif) (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/biggrin.gif) (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/biggrin.gif) (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/biggrin.gif)

[Peter Damian]

All explained. See below.

I have looked over the discussion and can only say that the issue of accuracy of information concerning the timezone FT2 was in was not a big issue at the time. In fact it would be a strain to say it was any sort of issue at the time. Sam Blacketer (talk) 10:28, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

I disagree. The committee had asked for FT2 to provide a brief relating to the oversight problem 11 days previously, and we were getting very impatient by Jan 7, especially as two committee members had publicly committed that we would ensure the questions were answered.[1] We were prodding him every few days. On Jan 6 he said we would have it by "tomorrow morning".
The cited email was from myself to the committee, informing him that "tomorrow morning" had passed in his actual timezone, and asking him "is that the timezone you are in right now?" I thought that question was clear enough to avoid ambiguous answers. His response to the arbitrators did not answer my question about his actual timezone; instead he included more times and temporal references, again in a timezone other than his own, one being an indication that he would be sending the brief to the committee much later in the day. He then privately provided the brief to me within 30 minutes, and privately explained that his reason for having given a time to the committee in the wrong timezone was deception. It may not have been a big issue for you, but he thought it was important enough to deceive the committee even after I had made a point of having this ambiguity removed from the deadline.
IIRC, some arbs did not immediately provide details on the ArbCom Wiki page, as they were still considering what they would disclose to each other. Better to say nothing than tell a lie.
And when I raise this now, he accuses me via email of erroneous 'sleuthing'. John Vandenberg (chat) 16:10, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration_Committee_Elections_December_2010/Candidates/FT2/Questions"

[dogbiscuit]

FT2 once explained that it took him a long time to craft his answers because he was fearful of misinterpretations. His longwinded responses were no more helpful in that regard as far as I could see.

His inability to communicate concisely and unambiguously are of themselves reasons why he is unsuited to be in any position of authority or judgement.

[Peter Damian]

FT2 once explained that it took him a long time to craft his answers because he was fearful of misinterpretations. His longwinded responses were no more helpful in that regard as far as I could see.

His inability to communicate concisely and unambiguously are of themselves reasons why he is unsuited to be in any position of authority or judgement.

I think the inability is more explained by this.

Bullshitters seek to convey a certain impression of themselves without being concerned about whether anything at all is true. They quietly change the rules governing their end of the conversation so that claims about truth and falsity are irrelevant. Frankfurt concludes that although bullshit can take many innocent forms, excessive indulgence in it can eventually undermine the practitioner's capacity to tell the truth in a way that lying does not. Liars at least acknowledge that it matters what is true. By virtue of this, Frankfurt writes, bullshit is a greater enemy of the truth than lies are.

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[trenton]

None of his colleagues at the arbcom really seem to like him very much. JV calls him a liar, and the Wizardboy doesn't seem to care for him much either, going by his election guide.

I do hope he gets elected. The drama quotient has been getting rather low lately.