From jayjg99 at gmail.com Thu May 29 14:31:30 2008
From: jayjg99 at gmail.com (jayjg)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 10:31:30 -0400
Subject: [Arbcom-l] Possible additional socks related to Mantanmoreland
case
In-Reply-To: <483EA879.70008@cox.net>
References: <eb45e7c0805282020x490da25n441fdc729e3e5b92@mail.gmail.com>
<483EA879.70008@cox.net>
Message-ID: <6a8d9d700805290731o74d686cao311a6ef11e121f28@mail.gmail.com>
So is someone going to tag and block them?
On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 8:58 AM, Dmcdevit <dmcdevit at cox.net> wrote:
> Risker wrote:
>> I note the following obviously alternative accounts who have been
>> editing in relation to the Mantanmoreland case. I don't presume to
>> know the identities of those behind the accounts and will leave that
>> for arbitrators/checkusers to determine, as they see fit.
>>
>>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pwntjuice>>
>>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contr...ions/Comployeah>>
>>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Snowies (claimed as
>> primary account by Comployeah)
>>
>>
>> (You may already be well aware of these; I just want to make sure
>> these accounts don't slip through the cracks when other issues are
>> being dealt with.)
>>
>> Best,
>> Risker
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From ft2.wiki at gmail.com Thu May 29 15:22:21 2008
From: ft2.wiki at gmail.com (FT2)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 16:22:21 +0100
Subject: [Arbcom-l] Possible additional socks related to
Mantanmoreland case
In-Reply-To: <6a8d9d700805290731o74d686cao311a6ef11e121f28@mail.gmail.com>
References: <eb45e7c0805282020x490da25n441fdc729e3e5b92@mail.gmail.com> <483EA879.70008@cox.net>
<6a8d9d700805290731o74d686cao311a6ef11e121f28@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <483eca52.2435440a.2da9.4f3b@mx.google.com>
Can anyone else familiar with Dereks1x or (especially) WordBomb, verify/deal
with any of these?
I'm loath to block on a contentious case with a sockmaster I don't have
experience of modus and identification.
Thanks
Paul.
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From user.jpgordon at gmail.com Thu May 29 16:49:45 2008
From: user.jpgordon at gmail.com (Josh Gordon)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 09:49:45 -0700
Subject: [Arbcom-l] Possible additional socks related to Mantanmoreland
case
In-Reply-To: <483eca52.2435440a.2da9.4f3b@mx.google.com>
References: <eb45e7c0805282020x490da25n441fdc729e3e5b92@mail.gmail.com>
<483EA879.70008@cox.net>
<6a8d9d700805290731o74d686cao311a6ef11e121f28@mail.gmail.com>
<483eca52.2435440a.2da9.4f3b@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <99c65f730805290949i60cc68fcx41c464f3f5d99ec0@mail.gmail.com>
If Dmcdevit says it's Dereks1x, he's correct. Likewise WordBomb. Dmcdevit is
sufficiently familiar with these nuisances to recognize them accurately.
On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 8:22 AM, FT2 <ft2.wiki at gmail.com> wrote:
> Can anyone else familiar with Dereks1x or (especially) WordBomb,
> verify/deal
> with any of these?
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From szvest at gmail.com Thu May 29 19:57:43 2008
From: szvest at gmail.com (Fayssal F.)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 19:57:43 +0000
Subject: [Arbcom-l] Possible additional socks related to Mantanmoreland
case
Message-ID: <2a8c5680805291257p7255a53dlf1632230da0de7e0@mail.gmail.com>
Done. FT2 and East718 have just blocked them.
Fayssal F.
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From newyorkbrad at gmail.com Thu May 29 20:06:47 2008
From: newyorkbrad at gmail.com (Newyorkbrad (Wikipedia))
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 16:06:47 -0400
Subject: [Arbcom-l] Mantanmoreland/WordBomb
Message-ID: <c52819d30805291306n5c71f07cvf28b668fc0b182bc@mail.gmail.com>
In a current thread on WR, WordBomb claims he has not contributed to English
Wikipedia in several months, although he has participated in another project
(Spanish WP).
I received a very kind note from him the other day expressing regret for my
own current situation, and I am tempted to believe his current assurances
unless the technical evidence is really incontrovertible. I know that I am
going to be mocked as the person who "even after he was forced to leave,
still AGF's even to WordBomb," but please make sure the evidence here is
checked very carefully before any action is taken.
IBM
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From jayjg99 at gmail.com Thu May 29 20:28:01 2008
From: jayjg99 at gmail.com (jayjg)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 16:28:01 -0400
Subject: [Arbcom-l] Mantanmoreland/WordBomb
In-Reply-To: <c52819d30805291306n5c71f07cvf28b668fc0b182bc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c52819d30805291306n5c71f07cvf28b668fc0b182bc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6a8d9d700805291328p7450567ej1fa9eab297f7c997@mail.gmail.com>
On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 4:06 PM, Newyorkbrad (Wikipedia)
<newyorkbrad at gmail.com> wrote:
> In a current thread on WR, WordBomb claims he has not contributed to English
> Wikipedia in several months, although he has participated in another project
> (Spanish WP).
>
> I received a very kind note from him the other day expressing regret for my
> own current situation, and I am tempted to believe his current assurances
> unless the technical evidence is really incontrovertible. I know that I am
> going to be mocked as the person who "even after he was forced to leave,
> still AGF's even to WordBomb," but please make sure the evidence here is
> checked very carefully before any action is taken.
>
> IBM
Is he saying that these two aren't him?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contr.../70.192.164.228http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pwntjuice----------
From dgerard at gmail.com Thu May 29 20:35:39 2008
From: dgerard at gmail.com (David Gerard)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 21:35:39 +0100
Subject: [Arbcom-l] Mantanmoreland/WordBomb
In-Reply-To: <c52819d30805291306n5c71f07cvf28b668fc0b182bc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c52819d30805291306n5c71f07cvf28b668fc0b182bc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <fbad4e140805291335x327d9358oa1d4cc257a57110@mail.gmail.com>
2008/5/29 Newyorkbrad (Wikipedia) <newyorkbrad at gmail.com>:
> I received a very kind note from him the other day expressing regret for my
> own current situation, and I am tempted to believe his current assurances
> unless the technical evidence is really incontrovertible. I know that I am
> going to be mocked as the person who "even after he was forced to leave,
> still AGF's even to WordBomb," but please make sure the evidence here is
> checked very carefully before any action is taken.
If Judd Bagley said the sky was blue, I would assume thunderstorms
until I could get to a window to look.
- d.
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From newyorkbrad at gmail.com Thu May 29 20:58:04 2008
From: newyorkbrad at gmail.com (Newyorkbrad (Wikipedia))
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 16:58:04 -0400
Subject: [Arbcom-l] Mantanmoreland/WordBomb
In-Reply-To: <fbad4e140805291335x327d9358oa1d4cc257a57110@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c52819d30805291306n5c71f07cvf28b668fc0b182bc@mail.gmail.com>
<fbad4e140805291335x327d9358oa1d4cc257a57110@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c52819d30805291358j70f94adbpccfe092e8906caad@mail.gmail.com>
On 5/29/08, David Gerard <dgerard at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> 2008/5/29 Newyorkbrad (Wikipedia) <newyorkbrad at gmail.com>:
>
> > I received a very kind note from him the other day expressing regret for
> my
> > own current situation, and I am tempted to believe his current assurances
> > unless the technical evidence is really incontrovertible. I know that I
> am
> > going to be mocked as the person who "even after he was forced to leave,
> > still AGF's even to WordBomb," but please make sure the evidence here is
> > checked very carefully before any action is taken.
>
> If Judd Bagley said the sky was blue, I would assume thunderstorms
> until I could get to a window to look.
>
> - d.
His post of a couple of hours ago is in the "Mantanmoreland socking again"
thread on WR. Sorry I'm not sure how to link directly to it.
B.
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From ft2.wiki at gmail.com Fri May 30 09:46:56 2008
From: ft2.wiki at gmail.com (FT2)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 10:46:56 +0100
Subject: [Arbcom-l] Cade Metz / Mantanmoreland.
In-Reply-To: <200805300431.m4U4VMax005069@localhost.localdomain>
References: <200805300431.m4U4VMax005069@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <483fcd12.2233440a.6bf0.ffff8d64@mx.google.com>
Self explanatory incoming and outgoing cademail. "Ugh".
This really was a non-event as a case, so emphasizing the boringness of it, "nothing to see here, no real speculation from me, a lot of people over reacted and what else is there to say", seems the most sensible answer. /Shrug/. And as with any media inquiry, avoid saying anything that can be turned into statements that are actually not what's being said.
I'd avoid responding to him entirely, but I think that's probably unhelpful. Zero interest in either talking to anyone or making it a big deal. The whole focus of his case was to help the community not over-react in the first place.
Anyway, for your info. See below for his email.
-----Original Message-----
From: Cade Metz [cmetz at theregister.com]
Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 5:31 AM
To: FT2
Subject: Chat about Mantanmoreland?
Hello: My name is Cade Metz, and I'm a reporter in San Francisco with The Register (www.theregister.co.uk). Would you be willing to chat about the latest incident involving the Mantanmoreland account? Am putting together a follow-up to an earlier story I wrote about the whole Overstock.com-Wikipedia controversy.
Thanks,
Cade Metz
The Register, in San Francisco
415-874-3130
EMAIL:
Hi, and sure. I'm not sure what there is to say about it, but sure.
I am curious though, Mantanmoreland's case isn't in any way a big deal, or a media issue. Administrators issue blocks for this kind of thing at the rate of maybe dozens a day, probably, and I've never heard of one being a media matter. My assumption is therefore, from your question, that someone has an interest in making this one a news item (whether it's got news value or not) - either for him, or against him.
What's the driver behind it, and (if you know it) the agenda? I'd be interested.
Best,
EMAIL:
Thinking about it, the dispute can be summed up in a few sentences roughly like this:
Two people with some kind of battle going on off-site, decide to use Wikipedia as their battleground for their PR campaign. Both get caught and dealt with. Life carries on. We deal with cases like this as routine.
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From dgerard at gmail.com Fri May 30 09:54:23 2008
From: dgerard at gmail.com (David Gerard)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 10:54:23 +0100
Subject: [Arbcom-l] Cade Metz / Mantanmoreland.
In-Reply-To: <483fcd12.2233440a.6bf0.ffff8d64@mx.google.com>
References: <200805300431.m4U4VMax005069@localhost.localdomain>
<483fcd12.2233440a.6bf0.ffff8d64@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <fbad4e140805300254m1d48c89aqa0a9f681abf32535@mail.gmail.com>
2008/5/30 FT2 <ft2.wiki at gmail.com>:
> Thinking about it, the dispute can be summed up in a few sentences roughly like this:
> Two people with some kind of battle going on off-site, decide to use Wikipedia as their battleground for their PR campaign. Both get caught and dealt with. Life carries on. We deal with cases like this as routine.
Feeding Cade Metz anything is fraught with hazards, i.e. that he's an
ad-banner troll. I suggest considering to what degree any particular
communication with him furthers the goals of the project itself. (In
almost all cases, talking to the press does further those goals or can
be used to; I personally feel Mr Metz isn't such a case.)
- d.
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From jayjg99 at gmail.com Fri May 30 14:12:24 2008
From: jayjg99 at gmail.com (jayjg)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 10:12:24 -0400
Subject: [Arbcom-l] Cade Metz / Mantanmoreland.
In-Reply-To: <fbad4e140805300254m1d48c89aqa0a9f681abf32535@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200805300431.m4U4VMax005069@localhost.localdomain>
<483fcd12.2233440a.6bf0.ffff8d64@mx.google.com>
<fbad4e140805300254m1d48c89aqa0a9f681abf32535@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6a8d9d700805300712w1cb7c976h4033d09160135de3@mail.gmail.com>
On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 5:54 AM, David Gerard <dgerard at gmail.com> wrote:
> 2008/5/30 FT2 <ft2.wiki at gmail.com>:
>
>> Thinking about it, the dispute can be summed up in a few sentences roughly like this:
>> Two people with some kind of battle going on off-site, decide to use Wikipedia as their battleground for their PR campaign. Both get caught and dealt with. Life carries on. We deal with cases like this as routine.
>
>
> Feeding Cade Metz anything is fraught with hazards, i.e. that he's an
> ad-banner troll. I suggest considering to what degree any particular
> communication with him furthers the goals of the project itself. (In
> almost all cases, talking to the press does further those goals or can
> be used to; I personally feel Mr Metz isn't such a case.)
I'd have to agree. From what I've seen his articles are poorly
researched, contain significant inaccuracies (whether deliberate or
not is unclear), and in general are intended only to denigrate
Wikipedia.
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From dmcdevit at cox.net Fri May 30 15:05:31 2008
From: dmcdevit at cox.net (Dmcdevit)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 08:05:31 -0700
Subject: [Arbcom-l] Mantanmoreland/WordBomb
In-Reply-To: <6a8d9d700805291328p7450567ej1fa9eab297f7c997@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c52819d30805291306n5c71f07cvf28b668fc0b182bc@mail.gmail.com>
<6a8d9d700805291328p7450567ej1fa9eab297f7c997@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <484017BB.3010008@cox.net>
jayjg wrote:
> On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 4:06 PM, Newyorkbrad (Wikipedia)
> <newyorkbrad at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> In a current thread on WR, WordBomb claims he has not contributed to English
>> Wikipedia in several months, although he has participated in another project
>> (Spanish WP).
>>
>> I received a very kind note from him the other day expressing regret for my
>> own current situation, and I am tempted to believe his current assurances
>> unless the technical evidence is really incontrovertible. I know that I am
>> going to be mocked as the person who "even after he was forced to leave,
>> still AGF's even to WordBomb," but please make sure the evidence here is
>> checked very carefully before any action is taken.
>>
>> IBM
>>
>
> Is he saying that these two aren't him?
>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contr.../70.192.164.228>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pwntjuice>
I haven't seen a Bagley sock in a while before now, but those are on the
same Cellco he's used in the past, according to my records. I am happy
to have another CheckUser more familiar with WordBomb socks check, if
need be. It doesn't really matter who it is, in my opinion, though; the
account was an obvious sock, whoever it was, and WordBomb isn't the sort
of banned user that we need to worry about resetting his ban timer as if
he's going to be unbanned any time soon, so we could just as easily
block it as "disruptive sock" and forget about it.
Dominic
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From newyorkbrad at gmail.com Fri May 30 18:04:56 2008
From: newyorkbrad at gmail.com (Newyorkbrad (Wikipedia))
Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 14:04:56 -0400
Subject: [Arbcom-l] Mantanmoreland/WordBomb
In-Reply-To: <484017BB.3010008@cox.net>
References: <c52819d30805291306n5c71f07cvf28b668fc0b182bc@mail.gmail.com>
<6a8d9d700805291328p7450567ej1fa9eab297f7c997@mail.gmail.com>
<484017BB.3010008@cox.net>
Message-ID: <c52819d30805301104m7da8d25apb8097f89e8d4415f@mail.gmail.com>
On WR, WordBomb has more-or-less pleaded "nolo contendre" to this one.
IBM
On 5/30/08, Dmcdevit <dmcdevit at cox.net> wrote:
>
> jayjg wrote:
> > On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 4:06 PM, Newyorkbrad (Wikipedia)
> > <newyorkbrad at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> In a current thread on WR, WordBomb claims he has not contributed to
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From jayjg99 at gmail.com Fri May 30 18:34:36 2008
From: jayjg99 at gmail.com (jayjg)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 14:34:36 -0400
Subject: [Arbcom-l] Mantanmoreland/WordBomb
In-Reply-To: <c52819d30805301104m7da8d25apb8097f89e8d4415f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c52819d30805291306n5c71f07cvf28b668fc0b182bc@mail.gmail.com>
<6a8d9d700805291328p7450567ej1fa9eab297f7c997@mail.gmail.com>
<484017BB.3010008@cox.net>
<c52819d30805301104m7da8d25apb8097f89e8d4415f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6a8d9d700805301134k4f11f238x40ddd07566362c2a@mail.gmail.com>
So, he hasn't socked except when he's socked.
On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 2:04 PM, Newyorkbrad (Wikipedia)
<newyorkbrad at gmail.com> wrote:
> On WR, WordBomb has more-or-less pleaded "nolo contendre" to this one.
>
> IBM
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From dgerard at gmail.com Fri May 30 18:40:17 2008
From: dgerard at gmail.com (David Gerard)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 19:40:17 +0100
Subject: [Arbcom-l] Mantanmoreland/WordBomb
In-Reply-To: <6a8d9d700805301134k4f11f238x40ddd07566362c2a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c52819d30805291306n5c71f07cvf28b668fc0b182bc@mail.gmail.com>
<6a8d9d700805291328p7450567ej1fa9eab297f7c997@mail.gmail.com>
<484017BB.3010008@cox.net>
<c52819d30805301104m7da8d25apb8097f89e8d4415f@mail.gmail.com>
<6a8d9d700805301134k4f11f238x40ddd07566362c2a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <fbad4e140805301140p6f71a948t1b63392f5ac0b6ee@mail.gmail.com>
2008/5/30 jayjg <jayjg99 at gmail.com>:
> So, he hasn't socked except when he's socked.
That's not a very loving attitude.
*cough*
- d.
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From mapellegrini at comcast.net Sun Jun 1 14:16:12 2008
From: mapellegrini at comcast.net (Mark Pellegrini)
Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2008 10:16:12 -0400
Subject: [Arbcom-l] Cade Metz / Mantanmoreland.
In-Reply-To: <6a8d9d700805300712w1cb7c976h4033d09160135de3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200805300431.m4U4VMax005069@localhost.localdomain> <483fcd12.2233440a.6bf0.ffff8d64@mx.google.com> <fbad4e140805300254m1d48c89aqa0a9f681abf32535@mail.gmail.com>
<6a8d9d700805300712w1cb7c976h4033d09160135de3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4842AF2C.7020703@comcast.net>
On the press committee mailing list, we have decided (based on past,
profoundly negative experiences) to treat Cade Metz as a special case.
Specifically, nobody is to respond to any inquiries from him -- just
forward them to Jay, and let Jay handle them. I think non-engagement is
the best thing to practice in this case.
-Mark
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From ft2.wiki at gmail.com Sun Jun 1 15:46:02 2008
From: ft2.wiki at gmail.com (FT2)
Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2008 16:46:02 +0100
Subject: [Arbcom-l] Cade Metz / Mantanmoreland.
In-Reply-To: <4842AF2C.7020703@comcast.net>
References: <200805300431.m4U4VMax005069@localhost.localdomain> <483fcd12.2233440a.6bf0.ffff8d64@mx.google.com> <fbad4e140805300254m1d48c89aqa0a9f681abf32535@mail.gmail.com> <6a8d9d700805300712w1cb7c976h4033d09160135de3@mail.gmail.com>
<4842AF2C.7020703@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <4842c43c.04e9300a.1a98.09ea@mx.google.com>
-----Original Message-----
On Behalf Of Mark Pellegrini
Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 3:16 PM
To: Arbitration Committee mailing list
Subject: Re: [Arbcom-l] Cade Metz / Mantanmoreland.
On the press committee mailing list, we have decided (based on past,
profoundly negative experiences) to treat Cade Metz as a special case.
Specifically, nobody is to respond to any inquiries from him -- just
forward them to Jay, and let Jay handle them. I think non-engagement is
the best thing to practice in this case.
-Mark
I might try on this one matter.
Specifically, Metz has got his case lined up, and such, so whatever's said
or not said will not make it any worse. I've tended to be good at working
even with people who don't check facts carefully, and I am tempted this
once, when there are good and simple answers, to say them.
I emailed him a brief reply saying basically, I'm okay fact-checking his
writing on the Mantanmoreland matter, PROVIDED 1/ approval of any quotes
used, 2/ enough context to see how they're used, and 3/ no hype -- no "uber
admin" or "ruling clique" idiocy on my part. He's stated agreement to
those. I also told him, first screw-up, forget it. Agreement emailed back.
Under those conditions I'm willing to try it once. I have one criteria of my
own - focus for me is the community. I would not say anything I haven't said
on-wiki already to the community, as that's what matters. No "special
favors", nothing the community doesn't know, no "special press anything". If
he wants to quote my existing words on wiki, that the community knows about
already, he's welcome. If I haven't written them and it'd help (he wants to
ask something), I'd put something on-wiki in my user space, as I would for
any user inquiry, and then link to it. My motive is, if there's going to be
an allegation in the press on a case I know about, I'm fine making sure I've
said something on it, on-wiki, somewhere appropriate (as I have at ANI to
date).
Under those circumstances and seeing his current Mantanmoreland questions
are in fact, pretty sensible ones, and he's already assumed in the past
about as bad it gets, I don't have much concern over trialling it that way
the once, even allowing for past his experience. I'm aware how badly words
can be twisted. I've done so with some success before, with other "very
difficult parties".
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From dgerard at gmail.com Sun Jun 1 15:50:45 2008
From: dgerard at gmail.com (David Gerard)
Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2008 16:50:45 +0100
Subject: [Arbcom-l] Cade Metz / Mantanmoreland.
In-Reply-To: <4842c43c.04e9300a.1a98.09ea@mx.google.com>
References: <200805300431.m4U4VMax005069@localhost.localdomain>
<483fcd12.2233440a.6bf0.ffff8d64@mx.google.com>
<fbad4e140805300254m1d48c89aqa0a9f681abf32535@mail.gmail.com>
<6a8d9d700805300712w1cb7c976h4033d09160135de3@mail.gmail.com>
<4842AF2C.7020703@comcast.net>
<4842c43c.04e9300a.1a98.09ea@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <fbad4e140806010850h23941e27t3099e888287bba4d@mail.gmail.com>
2008/6/1 FT2 <ft2.wiki at gmail.com>:
> Under those circumstances and seeing his current Mantanmoreland questions
> are in fact, pretty sensible ones, and he's already assumed in the past
> about as bad it gets, I don't have much concern over trialling it that way
> the once, even allowing for past his experience. I'm aware how badly words
> can be twisted. I've done so with some success before, with other "very
> difficult parties".
If you manage it, that'll be great ;-) Mr Metz is already having
trouble finding people who are still willing to talk to him - there's
an observed cycle of "talk to him, get burnt, swear never to deal with
him again". You *may* be the first ...
You should definitely forward your emails on the topic to Jay Walsh
(possibly for forwarding to the comcom list), so it isn't a surprise
to him. Cade Metz surprises induce stress ulcers.
- d.
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From ft2.wiki at gmail.com Sun Jun 1 16:44:48 2008
From: ft2.wiki at gmail.com (FT2)
Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2008 17:44:48 +0100
Subject: [Arbcom-l] Cade Metz / Mantanmoreland.
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-----Original Message-----
From: David Gerard [mailto:dgerard at gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 4:51 PM
To: FT2.wiki at gmail.com; Arbitration Committee mailing list
Subject: Re: [Arbcom-l] Cade Metz / Mantanmoreland.
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You should definitely forward your emails on the topic to Jay Walsh
(possibly for forwarding to the comcom list), so it isn't a surprise
to him. Cade Metz surprises induce stress ulcers.
- d.
Yes. That's exactly the thinking behind emailing arb-l as well.
Paul.