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would it not have been best for an Arbitrator to make the block ...

That was how we handled Runcorn/Poetlister, for instance.

Sorry to be a pedant, Durova, but Runcorn, Poetlister etc. were blocked by Dmcdevit, not a current member of ArbCom - the same Dmcdevit who shortly after that blocked someone else as a sockpuppet of Runcorn and had to back down. We only have Dmcdevit's word that the ArbCom even saw the evidence, let alone endorsed the ban. Maybe they just haven't had time to consider it yet.


Sigh. There are so many levels to the inappropriateness here. Leaving aside the fairness (or not) of the Runcorn case.... On a purely semantic level, as you've pointed out, Arbcom didn't do the block in a formal manner, though this is the verbiage put forth, mostly by Durova, the apparent motor behind the block.

This reminds me of her Google-chat-interview with the editor of Siteproland, where she repeated, over and over again, that 'I (Durova) banned these users, and that's why they say bad things about me' (paraphrased) , which was completely fallacious. As an administrator, she can't ban people. There are three ways to ban: Jimbo, Arbcom and community. Period. Indef block is what she can do, and though indef-blocks have the same result as a ban, even then her 'powers' are limited. Her use of the words 'I banned this person' or that person, makes it clear that she sees herself as possessing that power.

Of course, Durova is misrepresenting the procedure with Runcorn (apparently, though Guy et al. know better than I) such that it appears to be a formal Arbcom procedure. Maybe it was, but to the best of my knowledge, it was never published as such. As I understood it, the blocks were announced (presumably to the blocked persons), and they were told that Arbcom approved it. Arbcom never published any such decision, as they should have formally done. Thus the allegation that it was Arbcom-seal-of-approval-give is an unsubstantiated allegation of Durova et al.

Durova's vast over-exaggeration of her own power (to ban, for example, when she can't really, per the rules) demonstrates just how scary the idea of her being on Arbcom could be (or great, if you want to see Wikipedia become a complete circus that self-implodes ). Arbcom is a sleeping giant, that frequently doesn't move or react. With her involved as a sort of punitive moter and auto-prosecution-machine, Arbcom would just become a giant Durova-bot.

If you are Durova , you think that's great, because she knows what's best for everyone, and what is best is to focus on finding negativity and crushing it (creating even more negativity in the process, usually by accident and error). If you are Wikipedia (proper) it will lead to eventual scandals and embarassment, because she is singularly focused on finding guilt, and not terribly concerned about making mistakes. She's a not even a loose cannon, she's a random cannon. She's what you want to let loose in your enemy camp. Which if you hate Wikipedia, and want to see it embarassed, or weakened it good. What is scary is the bodycount increase , of well-intentioned users, newbies (who she'll accuse of being Greg K, or other random scapegoat, or supposed TOR criminal), and newer "EOD", enemies of Durova, such as people who questioned her sainted judgement in the "!!" debacle. Also !!, who if he comes back, is a marked man, or woman).

There is not a really serious sockpuppet problem, except for the socks she's stuffed up her nose (should have tried BEANS). The 'sock problem' is really her obsessive need to prosecute things, which has blossomed into some full blown vendettas, such as with Greg. That's some personal problem she has. Socks aren't problems as such, unless they are vandals, or used to game procedure, and even then, that's probably less than 20% of the sock population (a dirty guesstimate).

Wikipedia's main problems are: 1) substantive inaccuracies, 2) overzealousness-of-the-empowered, and 3) rule-and-procedure-implementation inconsistencies. (Durova is a huge part of no. 2 and no. 3, of course) Vandalism is just a daily, minor, run of the mill issue, that any newbie vandal patrol fighter can cope with, as long as he/she isn't overzealous to the point of damaging volunteer relationships, or even humiliating people (or even defaming them) unnecessarily. And which sadly happens too often.

There never needs to be a situation where people are humiliated or damaged on Wikipedia , and it unfortunately happens very often. Durova sees this as the fault of the victims of such Wiki-mistakes and that's what would be incredibly sad about her being elected - for Wikipedia, as well as for volunteers. She's not focused on improvements. She's completely COI, and it isn't about money. Her ego and naked power seeking is the COI.

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Disillusioned Lackey   [indent][/indent] Awesome.  
Piperdown   Awesome. IRC use must be a banned.  
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Disillusioned Lackey   JE NE REGRETTE RIEN Looks like her apology was ...  
msharma   [quote name='msharma' post='60967' date='Sun 18th...  
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Moulton   A scapegoat can only work so long, eventually you ...  
Jonny Cache   A scapegoat can only work so long, eventually yo...  
guy   Isn't Durova the admin most vociferous in asse...  
jorge   Isn't Durova the admin most vociferous in ass...  
Disillusioned Lackey   [quote name='guy' post='61033' date='Mon 19th Nov...  
guy   Sorry to be a pedant, Durova, but Runcorn, Poetli...  
jorge   Well done Ms Durova, another productive user gone ...  
Moulton   Well done Ms Durova, [url=http://en.wikipedia.org...  
Firsfron of Ronchester   Isn't Durova the admin most vociferous in ass...  
Piperdown   Isn't Durova the admin most vociferous in as...  
KamrynMatika   Well, at least her victim isn't taking it lyin...  
Disillusioned Lackey   MORE JUSTIFICATIONS (yawn) A Kohs, by any o...  
Moulton   When I was exchanging E-Mail with Durova, the one ...  
Disillusioned Lackey   When I was exchanging E-Mail with Durova, the one...  
tarantino   Jehochman and Durova are complaining that Krimpet ...  
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Aloft   It would appear that "!!" really...  
Disillusioned Lackey   [color=#009900]It would appear that "!...  
thekohser   It would appear that "!!" reall...  
Aloft   What did it say, basically?He complained that as a...  
jorge   Giano says:  
jorge   OK, I think !! is [redacted]. [redacted] s...  
Disillusioned Lackey   Ahem. She doesn't HAVE access to checkuser ...  
Aloft   Ahem. She doesn't HAVE access to checkuser to...  
Miltopia   Durova deserves all of the harm that comes to her ...  
Aloft   She blocked this poor guy by mistake recently as w...  
Miltopia   Disgusting. !!'s talk page is blanked...  
Moulton   See, that's the problem with Pogroms and Ethni...  
Aloft   I think you've got it. Filter their contribs u...  
jorge   I think you've got it. Filter their contribs ...  
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jorge   And why not delete it deleted as requested.  
Disillusioned Lackey   Thx much.  
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The Joy   A desyop and banning seems to be in order here. ...  
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Somey   Hard security doesn't work. In this case with...  
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thekohser   Still, I don't think justice will be served. ...  
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Disillusioned Lackey   Two days later, she was apparently all excited ab...  
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thekohser   Two days later, she was apparently all excited ab...  
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jorge   And says absolutely nothing. What he does say in...  
GlassBeadGame   [quote name='Bob Boy' post='61622' date='Thu 22nd...  
Moulton   If anyone else frequently wandered into disputes w...  
GlassBeadGame   If anyone else frequently wandered into disputes ...  
Bob Boy   I see that Mercury, who protected the ANI subpage,...  
everyking   I see that Mercury, who protected the ANI subpage...  
Moulton   Yeah, he had another username and changed it recen...  
Bob Boy   [quote name='everyking' post='61677' date='Thu 22...  
Moulton   Looks like a meatpuppet to me. They're pretty ...  
Jonny Cache   I see that [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Use...  
Derktar   I see that [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User...  
jorge   "[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:...  
jorge   I wonder what our friends at German wikipedia will...  
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WhispersOfWisdom   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Adm...ablis...  
jorge   Giano has now posted Durova's "top secret...  
Proabivouac   Durova's Evidence Speaking as one whoâ€...  
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Aloft   Oh man, that's classic. I hope someone takes ...  
jorge   Oh man, that's classic. Knows German! :o  
Jonny Cache   Oh man, that's classic. Knows German! ...  
Moulton   Knows German! :o Schadenfreude?  
Jonny Cache   [quote name='jorge' post='61649' date='Thu 22nd N...  
jorge   [quote name='jorge' post='61649' date='Thu 22nd ...  
Jonny Cache   Okay, Dudes and Dudesses, we can close up shop now...  
dtobias   What list exactly is it that "they" (the...  
Bob Boy   http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...ablis...  
Aloft   She has an email list of perceived fellow sleuths,...  
Derktar   Too bad, Guy was a bit too slow on the draw. So c...  
Aloft   Giano just re-added it. Prediction: JzG goes batsh...  
everyking   Mercury has protected the page.  
Moulton   Schadenfreude Theatre Presents: Fear and Loathing...  
Bob Boy   http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...r_tal...  
Aloft   And now JzG is deleting revisions from Giano's...  
Derktar   Because we really needed Durova's SUPER-SLEU...  
Moulton   Once the toothpaste is out of the tube, the egg on...  
cyofee   The fun has moved to Giano's talkpage. This is...  
Jonny Cache   The fun has moved to Giano's talkpage. This i...  
WhispersOfWisdom   The artificial intelligence! What a riot...  
KamrynMatika   Hahahaha oh my god hahahahah. This entire thing is...  
jorge   Hahahaha oh my god hahahahah. This entire thing i...  
Derktar   [quote name='KamrynMatika' post='61698' date='Thu...  
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Bob Boy   It would be interesting if her "investigatio...  
Derktar   [quote name='The Joy' post='61729' date='Thu 22nd...  
Bob Boy   An RFC is opened to finally put a rest this mess...  
The Joy   Now the RFC redirects to the AN subpage. :blink:...  
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