A message for Jimbo, can't a man get a proxy edit? Options Rating

[Jacina]

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=281804929

Haha

[thekohser]

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=281804929

Haha

Also funny:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=282308915

[Doc glasgow]

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=281804929

Haha

Also funny:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=282308915

Not really. Some obsessed people are deluded into believing that Jimbo matters for good or ill.

Maybe once he did, he started (or co-started - whatever?) the ball rolling - but now he has no control or significance.

The brain-dead sycophants, and the brain-dead anti-Jimbo paranoiacs are all part of the same outdated and discredited personality cult.

[thekohser]

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=281804929

Haha

Also funny:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=282308915

Not really. Some obsessed people are deluded into believing that Jimbo matters for good or ill.

Maybe once he did, he started (or co-started - whatever?) the ball rolling - but now he has no control or significance.

The brain-dead sycophants, and the brain-dead anti-Jimbo paranoiacs are all part of the same outdated and discredited personality cult.

I cannot imagine a more foolish summary of Jimbo's importance, especially considering the recent fundraising drive. Remember, the "personal appeal from the founder" and how it shot up donations 10x or 12x on a per-day basis, rocketing them past the $6,000,000 goal?

I mean, really, Doc. I based half of my Board seat campaign on your thoughts about BLP. I'm confused how you've gone so far off base on this particular matter. No hard feelings, personally, but... you're just simply wrong.

Greg

[Doc glasgow]

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=281804929

Haha

Also funny:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=282308915

Not really. Some obsessed people are deluded into believing that Jimbo matters for good or ill.

Maybe once he did, he started (or co-started - whatever?) the ball rolling - but now he has no control or significance.

The brain-dead sycophants, and the brain-dead anti-Jimbo paranoiacs are all part of the same outdated and discredited personality cult.

I cannot imagine a more foolish summary of Jimbo's importance, especially considering the recent fundraising drive. Remember, the "personal appeal from the founder" and how it shot up donations 10x or 12x on a per-day basis, rocketing them past the $6,000,000 goal?

I mean, really, Doc. I based half of my Board seat campaign on your thoughts about BLP. I'm confused how you've gone so far off base on this particular matter. No hard feelings, personally, but... you're just simply wrong.

Greg

Well, there's little point in playing "no you're wrong", but I do seem to have superior sources of information about what's actually been happening over the last two years.

Jimbo is no more than a front man. A stuffed shirt. He has a diminished amount of power within the board, and the board is almost an irrelevance to wikipedia.

But, I guess you need your Emmanuel Goldstein as much as wikipediots need their imaginary Godking.

So, no you're wrong.

This post has been edited by Doc glasgow: Tue 7th April 2009, 10:54pm

[Milton Roe]

Well, there's little point in playing "no you're wrong", but I do seem to have superior sources of information about what's actually been happening over the last two years.

Jimbo is no more than a front man. A stuffed shirt. He has a diminished amount of power within the board, and the board is almost an irrelevance to wikipedia.

But, I guess you need your Emmanuel Goldstein as much as wikipediots need their imaginary Godking.

So, no you're wrong.

I have no idea what role Jimbo has any more, but I do know enough about the legal structure of 501 {c} 3's to know that if the board is "irrelevent," it can only be by their own choice or ignorance. Since legally, they hold all the power and can do anything with WMF, and wikipedia, that they want to.

Now, if you're going to claim the board can't do much because they're a self-perpetuating thing like the cardinals in the Catholic Church, and any minority trying to rebel would be kicked off by the majority and replaced by other Kool Aiders, well, so? The new board members are vetted by who? And who allows that to continue? You can't have this both ways, you know.

[Doc glasgow]

Well, there's little point in playing "no you're wrong", but I do seem to have superior sources of information about what's actually been happening over the last two years.

Jimbo is no more than a front man. A stuffed shirt. He has a diminished amount of power within the board, and the board is almost an irrelevance to wikipedia.

But, I guess you need your Emmanuel Goldstein as much as wikipediots need their imaginary Godking.

So, no you're wrong.

I have no idea what role Jimbo has any more, but I do know enough about the legal structure of 501 {c} 3's to know that if the board is "irrelevent," it can only be by their own choice or ignorance. Since legally, they hold all the power and can do anything with WMF, and wikipedia, that they want to.

Now, if you're going to claim the board can't do much because they're a self-perpetuating thing like the cardinals in the Catholic Church, and any minority trying to rebel would be kicked off by the majority and replaced by other Kool Aiders, well, so? The new board members are vetted by who? And who allows that to continue? You can't have this both ways, you know.

I know nothing much of the theory.

But in reality, the board by choice or necessity, does not impact on wikipedia. Attempts to get the board involved in internal community stuff always end in failure.

The last time Jimbo intervened in WP policy running, he was trashed by the WMF chair, and ignored by arbcom. It was a telling moment.

[thekohser]

The last time Jimbo intervened in WP policy running, he was trashed by the WMF chair, and ignored by arbcom. It was a telling moment.

Linky dinky doos, please?

[Doc glasgow]

Don't you pay attention?

It was over rollback. There was an outcry when a dev switched it on after a dubious short poll to indicate consensus. Some of us protested.

Jimbo intervened to say that arbcom should consider the case, determine consensus, and then advise the WMF board what the community's will was.

Florence immediately posted to say this was nothing to do with the board and the community should grow up. Arbcom, despite Jimbo's request, declined the case. Jimmy disappeared in a puff of smoke.

However, I'm sure facts won't interrupt your narrative of the Great Bad Jimbo.

[thekohser]

Don't you pay attention?

It was over rollback. There was an outcry when a dev switched it on after a dubious short poll to indicate consensus. Some of us protested.

Jimbo intervened to say that arbcom should consider the case, determine consensus, and then advise the WMF board what the community's will was.

Florence immediately posted to say this was nothing to do with the board and the community should grow up. Arbcom, despite Jimbo's request, declined the case. Jimmy disappeared in a puff of smoke.

However, I'm sure facts won't interrupt your narrative of the Great Bad Jimbo.

Thanks for the links to this obscure blip in history that has apparently molded your narrative of the Weak Irrelevant Jimbo.

[Moulton]

Jimbo's cameo appearance at Wikiversity had a slightly more noticeable effect.

[Doc glasgow]

Don't you pay attention?

It was over rollback. There was an outcry when a dev switched it on after a dubious short poll to indicate consensus. Some of us protested.

Jimbo intervened to say that arbcom should consider the case, determine consensus, and then advise the WMF board what the community's will was.

Florence immediately posted to say this was nothing to do with the board and the community should grow up. Arbcom, despite Jimbo's request, declined the case. Jimmy disappeared in a puff of smoke.

However, I'm sure facts won't interrupt your narrative of the Great Bad Jimbo.

Thanks for the links to this obscure blip in history that has apparently molded your narrative of the Weak Irrelevant Jimbo.

Whatever.

If you had any idea of the politics of the WMF board over the last year or two, you'd realise your delusion. But I'm not going to persevere:

You will continue to believe what you want regardless, as will the groupies.

[Anonymous editor]

Doc is correct regarding Jimbo.

[The Wales Hunter]

There have been times during the past few months where things would have been better if Der Jumbo had exercised absolute power - notably during the flagged revisions debacle.

[thekohser]

Doc is correct regarding Jimbo.

Then, you both also seem to be in the same camp as Shankbone. Congratulations, Doc and A.e.

[LaraLove]

Jimbo reverted, saying he wouldn't participate. So lovely to see him running from this.

This is good, though. I'm tired of having to battle over this issue on Jimmy's article. Hopefully this shameful mess makes the papers and shit is set in stone finally.

I'm in IRC now, in various channels, and it's interesting to see how many regard Jimmy's actions as "disappointing", "pathetic", "stupid", "shameful", "ridiculous", etc, etc. Some note on his talk page that few people still believe Jimmy. It's too bad he doesn't realize just how few it is, and how most of those few, like Shankbone, are regarded in the community.

Best thing for the project would be for him to cut this shit out, apologize and set the record straight. God knows, he'd lie through it. "I was misunderstood. It was typos and misquotes that had me stating he wasn't a 'co-founder'. I was just kidding. Tee hee hee." But at least it would be something. Instead we're forced to explain this shameful mess in the various articles, which just reads stupid as Hell to people wanting to know about Wikipedia and its founders.

[Anonymous editor]

Doc is correct regarding Jimbo.

Then, you both also seem to be in the same camp as Shankbone. Congratulations, Doc and A.e.

So because someone you disapprove of agrees with us, that makes us wrong? I'm confused. Is this like when Hipocrite was saying Doc needs to do something because ColScott and Brandt have a similar stance on BLPs?

I accept that whatever opinion I may have, some people I may not approve of will have the same opinion.

I don't approve of most of the editors on Wikipedia and most of the posters here. Does that mean I can't ever agree with people? I have to find my own unique opinion on everything? It's rather difficult.

This post has been edited by Anonymous editor: Wed 8th April 2009, 7:07pm

[thekohser]

...Does that mean I can't ever agree with people? I have to find my own unique opinion on everything? It's rather difficult.

No, if you would just agree with me, what's factually correct, and what is ethical, it's actually not at all difficult!

[Doc glasgow]

Doc is correct regarding Jimbo.

Then, you both also seem to be in the same camp as Shankbone. Congratulations, Doc and A.e.

Gosh, I'm wrong again. I didn't think your intelligence could actually go down in my estimation, but I stand corrected.

It is quite possible for me to believe (with very good reasons) that Jimbo is currently an irrelevance to wikipedia, and to believe that wikipedia might actually be better if he were not (flagged), and to think very little of him and his integrity. Those are not incompatible thoughts.

I've no idea which of them, if any, Shankbone would disagree with, but frankly I don't care. You can't discredit an argument by association.

Mind you, if you agreed with me, I'd probably be worried about my sanity.

[thekohser]

Mind you, if you agreed with me, I'd probably be worried about my sanity.

So, Doc, do you or do you not agree that the 2008 WMF fundraising campaign was growing weak at about the $3.7 million mark?

Do you or do you not agree that the introduction of a "personal appeal" from the "founder" of Wikipedia, in about 4 days' time, brought in an additional $1 million; and in another 5 days or so, yet another $1.3 million?

Assuming you agree with these points above, how do you reconcile your opinion that Jimmy Wales is irrelevant and powerless in the Wikipedia/Wikimedia infrastructure and culture? Do you have the capability of raising over $2 million in public donations in less than a fortnight, such that it seems not a very big deal to you?