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Sue Garder traveled the globe recently, "accompanied" by her male assistant. She jetted all the way to London to meet a 12-year-old boy named Peter. Later, in India, she coveted another woman's muffin. That's what I got out of it, anyway. (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/biggrin.gif)
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QUOTE(Jon Awbrey @ Tue 25th January 2011, 8:56am) Nice to know where the money goes … Jon (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/tongue.gif) Paying for separate rooms for herself and assistant? Adjoining or not? The world wants to know. (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/tongue.gif) Any bets that she took a laptop? BUT, did she edit Wikipedia from India, like Weiss/Mantanmoreland did? Himself being a "true" Wikipedian? Any bets? Okay, I'll spare you. Her user contributions show she didn't edit from Sept 24 last year, to Jan 1 this year. Her trip was Nov. 20 to Dec. 6. So not only didn't she edit on her worldwide trip, but she didn't edit for 2 months before leaving, and for 3 weeks after getting back. The irony here is very thick. Mantanmoreland, now banned, was a real addict about editing Wikipedia (for that matter, so is Kohs. (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/tongue.gif)) Sue Gardner, the female CEO of the foundation responsible for it, couldn't care less about editing the thing.
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QUOTE(Milton Roe @ Tue 25th January 2011, 5:42pm) Any bets that she took a laptop? BUT, did she edit Wikipedia from India, like Weiss/Mantanmoreland did? Himself being a "true" Wikipedian? Any bets? Okay, I'll spare you. Her user contributions show she didn't edit from Sept 24 last year, to Jan 1 this year. Her trip was Nov. 20 to Dec. 6. So not only didn't she edit on her worldwide trip, but she didn't edit for 2 months before leaving, and for 3 weeks after getting back. The irony here is very thick. Mantan now banned, was a real addict about editing Wikipedia (for that matter, so is Kohs. (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/tongue.gif)) Sue Gardner, the female CEO of the foundation responsible for it, couldn't care less about editing the thing. On that evidence Sue Gardner seems to be rather too good for the WMF, I expect her to be moving onward and upward very soon.
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QUOTE(RMHED @ Tue 25th January 2011, 1:01pm) QUOTE(Milton Roe @ Tue 25th January 2011, 5:42pm) Any bets that she took a laptop? BUT, did she edit Wikipedia from India, like Weiss/Mantanmoreland did? Himself being a "true" Wikipedian? Any bets? Okay, I'll spare you. Her user contributions show she didn't edit from Sept 24 last year, to Jan 1 this year. Her trip was Nov. 20 to Dec. 6. So not only didn't she edit on her worldwide trip, but she didn't edit for 2 months before leaving, and for 3 weeks after getting back. The irony here is very thick. Mantan now banned, was a real addict about editing Wikipedia (for that matter, so is Kohs. (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/tongue.gif)) Sue Gardner, the female CEO of the foundation responsible for it, couldn't care less about editing the thing. On that evidence Sue Gardner seems to be rather too good for the WMF, I expect her to be moving onward and upward very soon. She's not as good as her present salary. I think it will keep her "stuck" for quite some time. Perhaps longer than is "good" for her, overall. (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/ohmy.gif) But that's a happy problem few would avoid.
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QUOTE(Jon Awbrey @ Tue 25th January 2011, 12:54pm) QUOTE(Milton Roe @ Tue 25th January 2011, 12:42pm) Sue Gardner, the female CEO of the foundation responsible for it, couldn't care less about editing the thing.
Which goes to show that the Asshead Queen is smarter than all her Wiki-Pushees put together. But you shoulda known that already, Flakey … Jon (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/tongue.gif) Now, now. Try to separate the content from the people who lord it over the content. Very little Good Stuff on WP actually gets oversighted out of existence. It's all there in the manure pile or tailings or placer deposit, just waiting for the grubbers of the future to take advantage of it. Even when overwritten, it's more accessable to the average person than a really good book of 30 years ago, that is now out of print and exists only in a few library basements (and not yet on Google Books). Patience. This is a process. Even in sewage treatment there comes a point when the product is safe to drink, except you can't find anybody who wants to drink it. Yet progress is still undeniable. People in desperate circumstances COULD drink it, and remain healthy. It's not Evian but it's far better than nothing.
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QUOTE(thekohser @ Tue 25th January 2011, 3:08pm) Sue Garder traveled the globe recently, "accompanied" by her male assistant. She jetted all the way to London to meet a 12-year-old boy named Peter. Later, in India, she coveted another woman's muffin. That's what I got out of it, anyway. (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/biggrin.gif) Shouldn't someone who leads an internet-based organization be trying to use technologies like video-teleconferencing instead sitting on so many airplanes? Anyway, I assume she and the assistant are flying in coach and staying in business hotels. This post has been edited by Cla68:
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QUOTE(Cla68 @ Tue 25th January 2011, 4:29pm) QUOTE(thekohser @ Tue 25th January 2011, 3:08pm) Sue Garder traveled the globe recently, "accompanied" by her male assistant. She jetted all the way to London to meet a 12-year-old boy named Peter. Later, in India, she coveted another woman's muffin. That's what I got out of it, anyway. (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/biggrin.gif) Shouldn't someone who leads an internet-based organization be trying to use technologies like video-teleconferencing instead sitting on so many airplanes? Anyway, I assume she and the assistant are flying in coach and staying in business hotels. You see? Cynicism. A cynic not only has learned the bitter lessons of the past, but is prematurely disappointed with the future, too. Meanwhile, we tend to predict things better than people who see stuff through rose-colored glasses. Raise arms, anybody, if you think Sue Gardner flies around the world whilst crammed into a coach seat. Anybody? (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/ermm.gif) You know, somebody could ask her that on her TALK page. Politely. Not you, Cla68-- you should probably dig a hole someplace.
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QUOTE(Milton Roe @ Tue 25th January 2011, 11:35pm) QUOTE(Cla68 @ Tue 25th January 2011, 4:29pm) QUOTE(thekohser @ Tue 25th January 2011, 3:08pm) Sue Garder traveled the globe recently, "accompanied" by her male assistant. She jetted all the way to London to meet a 12-year-old boy named Peter. Later, in India, she coveted another woman's muffin. That's what I got out of it, anyway. (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/biggrin.gif) Shouldn't someone who leads an internet-based organization be trying to use technologies like video-teleconferencing instead sitting on so many airplanes? Anyway, I assume she and the assistant are flying in coach and staying in business hotels. You see? Cynicism. A cynic not only has learned the bitter lessons of the past, but is prematurely disappointed with the future, too. Meanwhile, we tend to predict things better than people who see stuff through rose colored glasses. Raise arms, anybody, if you think Sue Gardner flies around the world whilst crammed into a coach seat. Anybody? (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/ermm.gif) You know, somebody could ask her that on her TALK page. Politely. Not you, Cla68-- you should probably dig a hole someplace. Also, ask her how she gets to the airport from her home. Does someone from the Wikimedia office drop her off, do they have a contract with a car service, does she and her assistant take separate taxis, even if they live way out in the suburbs, or does the Foundation reimburse them for parking at the airport? Since she flies so much, presumably she has free access to the airline's frequent flier lounge so she can plug in her laptop to edit Wikipedia, or does the Foundation purchase access for her? At their destinations, do they try to stay in hotels with free shuttle service to and from the airport, or do they take taxis again? Do they get per diem at each location? If so, how much? Those kind of expenses can add up and she is, presumably, using charitable donations to fund her travel. This post has been edited by Cla68:
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QUOTE(Cla68 @ Tue 25th January 2011, 11:29pm) QUOTE(thekohser @ Tue 25th January 2011, 3:08pm) Sue Garder traveled the globe recently, "accompanied" by her male assistant. She jetted all the way to London to meet a 12-year-old boy named Peter. Later, in India, she coveted another woman's muffin. That's what I got out of it, anyway. (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/biggrin.gif) Shouldn't someone who leads an internet-based organization be trying to use technologies like video-teleconferencing instead sitting on so many airplanes? Anyway, I assume she and the assistant are flying in coach and staying in business hotels. Wasn't there some figures about $400,000 a year on travel expenses? Which is over $1000 a day and seems rather excessive. Presumably they are charging for speaking engagements and interviews, and as they are employees that should be being paid to the foundation. So what is the actual net cost of the travel?
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QUOTE(Milton Roe @ Tue 25th January 2011, 4:52pm) QUOTE(Jon Awbrey @ Tue 25th January 2011, 12:54pm) QUOTE(Milton Roe @ Tue 25th January 2011, 12:42pm) Sue Gardner, the female CEO of the foundation responsible for it, couldn't care less about editing the thing.
Which goes to show that the Asshead Queen is smarter than all her Wiki-Pushees put together. But you shoulda known that already, Flakey … Jon (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/tongue.gif) Now, now. Try to separate the content from the people who lord it over the content. Very little Good Stuff on WP actually gets oversighted out of existence. It's all there in the manure pile or tailings or placer deposit, just waiting for the grubbers of the future to take advantage of it. Even when overwritten, it's more accessable to the average person than a really good book of 30 years ago, that is now out of print and exists only in a few library basements (and not yet on Google Books). Patience. This is a process. Even in sewage treatment there comes a point when the product is safe to drink, except you can't find anybody who wants to drink it. Yet progress is still undeniable. People in desperate circumstances COULD drink it, and remain healthy. It's not Evian but it's far better than nothing. Ah, Milton, the Snow-Blind Wonder, the Jimbo Jesuit, for whom no atrocity can take the shine off the Greater Glory Of Glop. Jon (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/tongue.gif)
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QUOTE(Milton Roe @ Wed 26th January 2011, 2:34pm) QUOTE(Detective @ Wed 26th January 2011, 3:17am) QUOTE(Milton Roe @ Tue 25th January 2011, 5:42pm) Sue Gardner, the female CEO of the foundation responsible for it
What's the significance of being a female CEO? Or are we just saying that females can't edit WP? No, Sue Gardner is the one COMPLAINING that females don't edit WP, when she doesn't edit significantly herself, even though she's CEO of the thing. You really are having a hard time understanding the irony of this, aren't you? It may be that we realize Sue is smart enough to maintain a posture that she is above Wikipedia editors, male and female alike, and it would not be fitting of her office to be slogging away in the trenches with the gullible Wikipediots. After all, if she really started editing frequently, how soon before it becomes clear to her and to those editing with her that Wikipedia is a messy, irresponsible battleground of opinions, not worthy of tax-exempt status? Then what would she be left to do? This post has been edited by thekohser:
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QUOTE(thekohser @ Wed 26th January 2011, 8:34pm) QUOTE(Milton Roe @ Wed 26th January 2011, 2:34pm) QUOTE(Detective @ Wed 26th January 2011, 3:17am) QUOTE(Milton Roe @ Tue 25th January 2011, 5:42pm) Sue Gardner, the female CEO of the foundation responsible for it
What's the significance of being a female CEO? Or are we just saying that females can't edit WP? No, Sue Gardner is the one COMPLAINING that females don't edit WP, when she doesn't edit significantly herself, even though she's CEO of the thing. You really are having a hard time understanding the irony of this, aren't you? It may be that we realize Sue is smart enough to maintain a posture that she is above Wikipedia editors, male and female alike, and it would not be fitting of her office to be slogging away in the trenches with the gullible Wikipediots. After all, if she really started editing frequently, how soon before it becomes clear to her and to those editing with her that Wikipedia is a messy, irresponsible battleground of opinions, not worthy of tax-exempt status? Then what would she be left to do? At a minimum she could take some pictures of some of these places in Poland, India, and wherever else she travels to, upload them to Commons (or have her assistant do it after he finishes filling-out their travel reimbursement paperwork), and add the pictures to the appropriate articles.
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QUOTE(thekohser @ Wed 26th January 2011, 1:34pm) QUOTE(Milton Roe @ Wed 26th January 2011, 2:34pm) QUOTE(Detective @ Wed 26th January 2011, 3:17am) QUOTE(Milton Roe @ Tue 25th January 2011, 5:42pm) Sue Gardner, the female CEO of the foundation responsible for it
What's the significance of being a female CEO? Or are we just saying that females can't edit WP? No, Sue Gardner is the one COMPLAINING that females don't edit WP, when she doesn't edit significantly herself, even though she's CEO of the thing. You really are having a hard time understanding the irony of this, aren't you? It may be that we realize Sue is smart enough to maintain a posture that she is above Wikipedia editors, male and female alike, and it would not be fitting of her office to be slogging away in the trenches with the gullible Wikipediots. Unlikely, as she didn't edit much for the significant time she was an editor BEFORE she became WMF's CEO. Basically she has no excuse. She has no reason for not editing WP that every other woman she wants to edit, doesn't also have. And Sue has many reasons and opportunities to edit that the average woman never will have, and yet she took advantage of them neither before becoming CEO, or after. QUOTE(thekohser @ Wed 26th January 2011, 1:34pm) After all, if she really started editing frequently, how soon before it becomes clear to her and to those editing with her that Wikipedia is a messy, irresponsible battleground of opinions, not worthy of tax-exempt status? Then what would she be left to do?
Lie to herself. But she's already doing that, apparently. Of course it's possible that Sue is doing the "Undercover Boss" trick (a.k.a. the Harry le Roy trick from Henry V), by going about as an alternatve account with no special powers, to see what editing WP as an ordinary editor is REALLY like. And if that's the case, I take back everything I've said about her. We shall see.
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QUOTE(Cla68 @ Wed 26th January 2011, 3:42pm) At a minimum she could take some pictures of some of these places in Poland, India, and wherever else she travels to, upload them to Commons (or have her assistant do it after he finishes filling-out their travel reimbursement paperwork), and add the pictures to the appropriate articles.
Poland is looking more and more like the next WMF oursource after India. Wikia has long been there, and WMF has checked them out with a Wikimania in July, 2010. Now, Sue goes there again at the end of the year. That's a lot of attention.
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QUOTE(Milton Roe @ Wed 26th January 2011, 11:41pm) QUOTE(Cla68 @ Wed 26th January 2011, 3:42pm) At a minimum she could take some pictures of some of these places in Poland, India, and wherever else she travels to, upload them to Commons (or have her assistant do it after he finishes filling-out their travel reimbursement paperwork), and add the pictures to the appropriate articles.
Poland is looking more and more like the next WMF oursource after India. Wikia has long been there, and WMF has checked them out with a Wikimania in July, 2010. Now, Sue goes there again at the end of the year. That's a lot of attention. If Jimmy has any say it'll be somewhere in Eastern Europe, where the booze is cheap and so are the hookers.
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QUOTE(Jon Awbrey @ Wed 26th January 2011, 5:58am) QUOTE(Milton Roe @ Tue 25th January 2011, 4:52pm) QUOTE(Jon Awbrey @ Tue 25th January 2011, 12:54pm) QUOTE(Milton Roe @ Tue 25th January 2011, 12:42pm) Sue Gardner, the female CEO of the foundation responsible for it, couldn't care less about editing the thing.
Which goes to show that the Asshead Queen is smarter than all her Wiki-Pushees put together. But you shoulda known that already, Flakey … Jon (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/tongue.gif) Now, now. Try to separate the content from the people who lord it over the content. Very little Good Stuff on WP actually gets oversighted out of existence. It's all there in the manure pile or tailings or placer deposit, just waiting for the grubbers of the future to take advantage of it. Even when overwritten, it's more accessable to the average person than a really good book of 30 years ago, that is now out of print and exists only in a few library basements (and not yet on Google Books). Patience. This is a process. Even in sewage treatment there comes a point when the product is safe to drink, except you can't find anybody who wants to drink it. Yet progress is still undeniable. People in desperate circumstances COULD drink it, and remain healthy. It's not Evian but it's far better than nothing. Ah, Milton, the Snow-Blind Wonder, the Jimbo Jesuit, for whom no atrocity can take the shine off the Greater Glory Of Glop. Jon (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/tongue.gif) Sure, sure. If I have a different opinon about the value WP's content that you do, it must be because I'm a follower and religious fanatic. It couldn't ever be that I simply took a look at the same data, and came to a different and better conclusion. Because that would mean that in this case I'm just smarter than you are. (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/tongue.gif)
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QUOTE(Milton Roe @ Wed 26th January 2011, 6:50pm) QUOTE(Jon Awbrey @ Wed 26th January 2011, 5:58am) QUOTE(Milton Roe @ Tue 25th January 2011, 4:52pm) QUOTE(Jon Awbrey @ Tue 25th January 2011, 12:54pm) QUOTE(Milton Roe @ Tue 25th January 2011, 12:42pm) Sue Gardner, the female CEO of the foundation responsible for it, couldn't care less about editing the thing.
Which goes to show that the Asshead Queen is smarter than all her Wiki-Pushees put together. But you shoulda known that already, Flakey … Jon (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/tongue.gif) Now, now. Try to separate the content from the people who lord it over the content. Very little Good Stuff on WP actually gets oversighted out of existence. It's all there in the manure pile or tailings or placer deposit, just waiting for the grubbers of the future to take advantage of it. Even when overwritten, it's more accessable to the average person than a really good book of 30 years ago, that is now out of print and exists only in a few library basements (and not yet on Google Books). Patience. This is a process. Even in sewage treatment there comes a point when the product is safe to drink, except you can't find anybody who wants to drink it. Yet progress is still undeniable. People in desperate circumstances COULD drink it, and remain healthy. It's not Evian but it's far better than nothing. Ah, Milton, the Snow-Blind Wonder, the Jimbo Jesuit, for whom no atrocity can take the shine off the Greater Glory Of Glop. Jon (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/tongue.gif) Sure, sure. If I have a different opinon about the value WP's content that you do, it must be because I'm a follower and religious fanatic. It couldn't ever be that I simply took a look at the same data, and came to a different and better conclusion. Because that would mean that in this case I'm just smarter than you are. (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/tongue.gif) I guess I'll have to go with that first thing … Jon (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/tongue.gif)
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QUOTE(Milton Roe @ Wed 26th January 2011, 11:41pm) QUOTE(Cla68 @ Wed 26th January 2011, 3:42pm) At a minimum she could take some pictures of some of these places in Poland, India, and wherever else she travels to, upload them to Commons (or have her assistant do it after he finishes filling-out their travel reimbursement paperwork), and add the pictures to the appropriate articles.
Poland is looking more and more like the next WMF oursource after India. Wikia has long been there, and WMF has checked them out with a Wikimania in July, 2010. Now, Sue goes there again at the end of the year. That's a lot of attention. It probably would be cheaper for the Foundation to be based in Poland, as long as they didn't bear the cost of moving most of its San Francisco-based employees and their families over there, then paying to send their kids to private English-language schools in Warsaw or wherever. If the WMF isn't going to follow my advice and move to Fresno to save operating costs, then perhaps they will go to Poland.
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QUOTE(Cla68 @ Wed 26th January 2011, 4:55pm) It probably would be cheaper for the Foundation to be based in Poland, as long as they didn't bear the cost of moving most of its San Francisco-based employees and their families over there, then paying to send their kids to private English-language schools in Warsaw or wherever. If the WMF isn't going to follow my advice and move to Fresno to save operating costs, then perhaps they will go to Poland. Don't kid yourself. If Susie and her slaves ever move somewhere, it will be to NYC, so they can hobnob with the Social Register crowd. Moving the servers and support staff to Poland, now that's a winner....cheaper Polish workers means more money for Susie and Erik. What's really interesting to me: all these former employees who left under a "cloud" or for some other not-happy reason. (other than Larry Sanger, who is in this otherthread.) Godwin, Mike Snow, Brad Patrick, and probably several lower-down people that I'm forgetting. Not a single one of them has written a tell-all about the WMF's demented internal operations. Why is that?
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QUOTE(EricBarbour @ Wed 26th January 2011, 7:18pm) QUOTE(Cla68 @ Wed 26th January 2011, 4:55pm) It probably would be cheaper for the Foundation to be based in Poland, as long as they didn't bear the cost of moving most of its San Francisco-based employees and their families over there, then paying to send their kids to private English-language schools in Warsaw or wherever. If the WMF isn't going to follow my advice and move to Fresno to save operating costs, then perhaps they will go to Poland. Don't kid yourself. If Susie and her slaves ever move somewhere, it will be to NYC, so they can hobnob with the Social Register crowd. Moving the servers and support staff to Poland, now that's a winner....cheaper Polish workers means more money for Susie and Erik. What's really interesting to me: all these former employees who left under a "cloud" or for some other not-happy reason. (other than Larry Sanger, who is in this otherthread.) Godwin, Mike Snow, Brad Patrick, and probably several lower-down people that I'm forgetting. Not a single one of them has written a tell-all about the WMF's demented internal operations. Why is that?Possiblities: [1] Personal embarassment [2] Unwillingness to throw good time after bad Not even Jon Krakauer could turn the follies at WMF into the next Into Thin Air. And if he did, it wouldn't make much money anyway. If you want three stooges comedies about nitwits and toxic people doing lamebrain or nasty things to to each other, there's always reality TV, where it's even worse, and in color. And requires next to no effort from the consumer to understand. I would like Godwin, Sanger, etc. to write up and post an official blog entry before they forget or die, just for history's sake. Maybe on Greg's site. But not, of course, with the expectation that they'll get anything from it but historical revenge.
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QUOTE(Alison @ Thu 27th January 2011, 12:15am) QUOTE(anthony @ Wed 26th January 2011, 8:14pm) QUOTE(thekohser @ Thu 27th January 2011, 4:02am) Just a quick note: Sue Gardner doesn't own a television set. "The iPad is like a TV or a radio, in that it's designed for consuming corporate-made media" Then she's really going to hate the Wikipedia App for iPad Srsly; "designed for consuming corporate-made media"?? Hardly (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/sad.gif) Sounds delicious.
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QUOTE(Alison @ Thu 27th January 2011, 5:15am) QUOTE(anthony @ Wed 26th January 2011, 8:14pm) QUOTE(thekohser @ Thu 27th January 2011, 4:02am) Just a quick note: Sue Gardner doesn't own a television set. "The iPad is like a TV or a radio, in that it's designed for consuming corporate-made media" Then she's really going to hate the Wikipedia App for iPad Srsly; "designed for consuming corporate-made media"?? Hardly (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/sad.gif) Apple must have snubbed the WMF recently or something. Or maybe just snubbed Wales, and Gardner is trying to play copycat. QUOTE “It’s like spending a lot of money on a new car and the manufacturer dictating who you can and can’t have as a passenger in it,†Wales said about Apple´s stance on apps for it´s online store.
Ah, probably something about the app store. (I mean, yeah, he's right, the app policy is why I have an Android phone, and why I'm holding out for an Android tablet, but Wales didn't seem to have any problem with it until recently.) QUOTE Last year a developer uploaded an unofficial application containing the controversial WikiLeaks diplomacy cables to Apple’s App Store.
While it was initially approved, Apple followed in the footsteps of Mastercard and Amazon in distancing themselves from the storm by removing the application.
http://swns.com/wikipedia-founder-jimmy-wa...net-140918.htmlAh, that explains it, I guess. She must be taking the position that Assange is a journalist. Or maybe, giving her the benefit of the doubt, that if Apple can ban Wikileaks without a trial, then they could do it to real journalists - which, I suppose, is quite true. Still, "like a TV or a radio, in that it's designed for consuming corporate-made media" is just ridiculous. To the extent the iPad was "designed for consuming corporate-made media", so was DSL, so was the cablemodem. Unless I'm missing something. This post has been edited by anthony:
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QUOTE(Lar @ Sat 29th January 2011, 1:13pm) Is that really necessary? I'm not sure either of those labels are fact, so why bother. It just brings the place down. Well... it definitely was an ignorant thing for her to say, and insulting to all the people who participate in community-based volunteer activities in TV and radio. Presumably Sue wants to make those people feel bad for not participating in what she wants them to participate in - namely, Wikimedia-owned products - and that makes her a selfish woman also. So, given selfish + ignorant, and some of the outfits we've seen her wearing, not to mention the whole Wikipedia CEO thing... Obviously there's an inappropriate sexist connotation to the word "slut," but let's not forget that women can be intelligent, witty, attractive, and highly competent professionally, and still have a tendency towards aggressive sexual behavior, not to mention a terrible fashion sense. It doesn't necessarily make those women bad people, though admittedly it might make them baaaad, baaaad, baaaaaaaad people. I should, at least, say that my general opinion of Canadians has risen significantly over the last 6 months, for various reasons I'd prefer not to go into at the moment. So that's actually something in her favor, IMO.
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QUOTE(Somey @ Sat 29th January 2011, 6:35pm) QUOTE(Lar @ Sat 29th January 2011, 1:13pm) Is that really necessary? I'm not sure either of those labels are fact, so why bother. It just brings the place down. Well... it definitely was an ignorant thing for her to say, and insulting to all the people who participate in community-based volunteer activities in TV and radio. Presumably Sue wants to make those people feel bad for not participating in what she wants them to participate in - namely, Wikimedia-owned products - and that makes her a selfish woman also. So, given selfish + ignorant, and some of the outfits we've seen her wearing, not to mention the whole Wikipedia CEO thing... Obviously there's an inappropriate sexist connotation to the word "slut," but let's not forget that women can be intelligent, witty, attractive, and highly competent professionally, and still have a tendency towards aggressive sexual behavior, not to mention a terrible fashion sense. It doesn't necessarily make those women bad people, though admittedly it might make them baaaad, baaaad, baaaaaaaad people. I should, at least, say that my general opinion of Canadians has risen significantly over the last 6 months, for various reasons I'd prefer not to go into at the moment. So that's actually something in her favor, IMO. So, Somey, when exactly did Sue Gardner exhibit "a tendency towards aggressive sexual behavior"? (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/rolleyes.gif) <facepalm>
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QUOTE(Alison @ Sat 29th January 2011, 9:04pm) So, Somey, when exactly did Sue Gardner exhibit "a tendency towards aggressive sexual behavior"? (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/rolleyes.gif) I didn't say she did - in fact, I have no idea. All I meant was that a sexist epithet like "slut," while offensive and generally inappropriate for most social gatherings, doesn't necessarily imply stupidity, incompetence, or ugliness. I'm not defending anyone's use of the term, though - certainly I wish people wouldn't use it here or anywhere else. I'm just saying it's a term with a fairly specific meaning, and I'm also saying that Sue Gardner has got to quit wearing those black thigh-high stockings.
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