Wikipidiots atwitter about Arbcom-L leak, Heads (and eyes) will roll Options

[Herschelkrustofsky]

Interestingly, the material posted so far has been surprisingly mild, and far more gossipy than scandalous. -- Seth Finkelstein.

Well, now I feel all bad. We didn't get the really good stuff?

[Zoloft]

Interestingly, the material posted so far has been surprisingly mild, and far more gossipy than scandalous. -- Seth Finkelstein.

Well, now I feel all bad. We didn't get the really good stuff?

Consider who these people are in real life. How interesting could it be?

[thekohser]

I believe, if wikipedia review has some self respect left, it should remove these stolen emails and ban the user who posted them for good.--Mbz1 (talk) 02:41, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

(Here.)
Again with the "banning"?

[Abd]

I believe, if wikipedia review has some self respect left, it should remove these stolen emails and ban the user who posted them for good.--Mbz1 (talk) 02:41, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

(Here.)
Again with the "banning"?

It obviously depends on whose Gore is being axed.

ArbComm had no problem with publishing selected private emails from the Eastern European Mailing List. Sauce for the goose.

[NuclearWarfare]

I believe, if wikipedia review has some self respect left, it should remove these stolen emails and ban the user who posted them for good.--Mbz1 (talk) 02:41, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

(Here.)
Again with the "banning"?

It obviously depends on whose Gore is being axed.

ArbComm had no problem with publishing selected private emails from the Eastern European Mailing List. Sauce for the goose.

Did the Committee actually ever publish anything from that mailing list? I thought they only ever summarized them or referred to them by timestamps.

This post has been edited by NuclearWarfare: Fri 24th June 2011, 1:55pm

[Milton Roe]

Interestingly, the material posted so far has been surprisingly mild, and far more gossipy than scandalous. -- Seth Finkelstein.

Well, now I feel all bad. We didn't get the really good stuff?

Consider who these people are in real life. How interesting could it be?

Good point.

He is-- the most interesting man in the world. When he's in Rome, the Romans do as HE does.

"I don't always edit Wikipedia. But when I do, I edit List of Glee episodes. Stay thirsty, my friends."

[Zoloft]

Interestingly, the material posted so far has been surprisingly mild, and far more gossipy than scandalous. -- Seth Finkelstein.

Well, now I feel all bad. We didn't get the really good stuff?

Consider who these people are in real life. How interesting could it be?

Good point.

He is-- the most interesting man in the world. When he's in Rome, the Romans do as HE does.

"I don't always edit Wikipedia. But when I do, I edit List of Glee episodes. Stay thirsty, my friends."

I mean, these folks are just mostly techies, nerds, academics. I looked at my email correspondence and imagined anyone who took the time to hack in and reading it falling asleep and drooling out one side of their mouth.
"Your Amazon order for sixteen plastic plate holders has been shipped."
"Hey, Steve, it's possible the heated platform on the Cupcake CNC might not be at the proper temperature."
"Our model doesn't have a heated platform."
"Stick some painter's tape on the platform before printing and see if that works."
"Do chopstick rests ordinarily have little feet or are they flat?"

Reading nerdy emails can cause severe gout.

[Sololol]

I believe, if wikipedia review has some self respect left, it should remove these stolen emails and ban the user who posted them for good.--Mbz1 (talk) 02:41, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

(Here.)
Again with the "banning"?

Ack, I'd hoped her absence was permanent but it looks like she was at her yearly performance review in Gehenna. There's new levels of nonsensical self-pity in this one (worse use of that quote imaginable),she must be feeling well rested.

Unimportant! Must stay on topic! If our mystery benefactor did really manage to get his e-paws on the entire ArbCom email archive this could be one of the most revealing episodes in the institution's history.

This post has been edited by Sololol: Fri 24th June 2011, 11:59pm

[gomi]

This little gem appeared in the conversation linked to in my first post (emphasis added):

* Would the severity of this incident and the importance of confidentiality merit arbitrators adopting PGP for their email communications? --causa sui (talk) 23:43, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

* I can't speak for the other arbs, but I think all options need to be considered. Of course, that means any further archives (which to some, is rather necessary for us to do our jobs, especially when we do clarifications or amendments of past decisions) would be useless. I'm not going to rule anything in or out, however.. we're taking a Soup to nuts review of our current situation, both personally, as a committee, and working with the WMF. SirFozzie (talk) 23:52, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Of less amusement value, but perhaps greater importance is this brief exchange:

What's the status regarding functionaries-en? Is there anything to indicate that material from that list was also compromised? /ƒETCHCOMMS/ 18:34, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

It's likely that some or many email from that list were also in the compromised mail account. Whether the criminal who broke into it cared enough for those email (who are, in the end, much less superficially "interesting" than arbcom-l's) to download them before access was cut, we cannot say. I note that none seem to have been leaked, though that obviously shouldn't be taken as any sort of guarantee. — Coren (talk) 19:20, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

The "functionaries" list contains all the checkuser chatter, n'est ce pas?

[Peter Damian]

Unimportant! Must stay on topic! If our mystery benefactor did really manage to get his e-paws on the entire ArbCom email archive this could be one of the most revealing episodes in the institution's history.

The other stuff they have posted (the FT2 one which is particularly obscure) confirms this beyond all doubt.

[Milton Roe]

Kliban! One of my favorite old cartoonists. He will be missed.

"Never eat anything bigger than your head."

[gomi]

This one should perhaps be re-titled

The Wikipedia Monument

[MaliceAforethought]

We're down a case of Watts, but we've now a lovely searchable format for most everything that's happened behind the curtain. If you'd like to suggest a nip under the Red Queen's skirts, consider the size of her knickers. If you don't give details or a date range, you're not getting anything worth a shit and I'll probably ignore further requests to boot.

--Malice, now in Wonderland

[-DS-]

Anyone have any requests then?

Can we have something about the block of "User:Thesevenseas" in early November 2010?

[Peter Damian]

We're down a case of Watts, but we've now a lovely searchable format for most everything that's happened behind the curtain. If you'd like to suggest a nip under the Red Queen's skirts, consider the size of her knickers. If you don't give details or a date range, you're not getting anything worth a shit and I'll probably ignore further requests to boot.

--Malice, now in Wonderland

You've already given me the basic facts I need about the oversighting case - and thank you so much for that - but if you could locate the following correspondence it would be a bonus. Do the IDs help?

22 April 2008 FT2 email to Arbcom 480dbb5d.1f15300a.0410.01b4 with a summary of the events of December 2007 (his role in the oversighted edits incident).

24 April 2008 some arbitrator comments in a separate thread,e.g. 16032ea0804241712n3ee276cayd178991b1e0df657 which shows the problem was properly understood.

25 April 2008 (481265c7.2435440a.29eb.0c79), FT2 gives the arbs a ‘brain dump’ of how he thought the arbs should handle the matter, whilst also indicating that he knew he was considered involved. Another arb promptly told him to keep his opinions to himself. FT2 responds acknowledging that his comments are as a party rather than as an arbitrator.

[MaliceAforethought]

Can we have something about the block of "User:Thesevenseas" in early November 2010?

Have at it, but looks like the AC wandered onto the correct path. An accident for sure.

22 April 2008 FT2 email to Arbcom 480dbb5d.1f15300a.0410.01b4 with a summary of the events of December 2007 (his role in the oversighted edits incident).

That one's about a block of Dbuckner; is that what you're looking for? If so the IDs match up and I'll put those together - if not, give me a bit more detail about what oversighted edits incident and we'll track the bugger down.

[Peter Damian]

Can we have something about the block of "User:Thesevenseas" in early November 2010?

Have at it, but looks like the AC wandered onto the correct path. An accident for sure.

22 April 2008 FT2 email to Arbcom 480dbb5d.1f15300a.0410.01b4 with a summary of the events of December 2007 (his role in the oversighted edits incident).

That one's about a block of Dbuckner; is that what you're looking for? If so the IDs match up and I'll put those together - if not, give me a bit more detail about what oversighted edits incident and we'll track the bugger down.

Correct, they match. The one I am interested in is the third 481265c7.2435440a.29eb.0c79 . This was the infamous 'brain dump' where FT2 sent a 50k email to the Arbcom.

[MaliceAforethought]

Correct, they match. The one I am interested in is the third 481265c7.2435440a.29eb.0c79 . This was the infamous 'brain dump' where FT2 sent a 50k email to the Arbcom.

And done then.

[Peter Damian]

I see that Coren is browsing around here. What happened to the official explanation from Arbcom that the only reason pre 2011 material was leaked was because threads were forwarded from that date. Clearly Mr Malice has absolutely everything that exists.

[MaliceAforethought]

I see that Coren is browsing around here. What happened to the official explanation from Arbcom that the only reason pre 2011 material was leaked was because threads were forwarded from that date. Clearly Mr Malice has absolutely everything that exists.

Tell me you didn't really think they'd gotten the root cause? Give me a wink and I'll load the other dumps. Should give us the wiki and rather complete transparency eh? Amazing what you can pilfer with enough green.