Gazimoff retires, One less admin, one less AC clerk Options

[LaraLove]

I can't find the thread that all these were being discussed in, so if a mod can please move it, that'd be great. Thanks.

So Gazimoff (T-C-L-K-R-D) was the admin who created WP:RREV, the full scale analysis of RFA following RFA/DHMO 3. I believe it was a greatly needed review and I looked forward to the results and possible revamping of the process. Unfortunately, Durova got involved, spouted off her opinion, which basically fell under WP:CHIPSLAW, and it all went downhill from there. Thanks, Durova. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/dry.gif) Of all the pointless discussion going on around the project that you love to needlessly interject yourself in, it's THIS, which actually served a purpose, that you decided needed to be shutdown? Someone file this as an example of her grand lack of self-awareness.

Anyway, he was also an ArbCom clerk, but has now resigned and retired as seen here.

[Alex]

No offence to him, but the RFA review was a waste of time. Did it get lots of people to say how they thought RFA sucked and had so many problems? Yes. Is RFA still the same as it was around DHMO's RFA? Yes. Nothing changes.

And I'm sure Wikipedia will struggle on with one less arbcom clerk.

[Gazimoff]

I was wondering why my ears were burning

Nothing changes.

Indeed.

[Samuel Culper Sr.]

Welcome Gazimoff. Enjoy the chips and salsa by the door. There should be cold beer on the back porch.

[LaraLove]

No offence to him, but the RFA review was a waste of time. Did it get lots of people to say how they thought RFA sucked and had so many problems? Yes. Is RFA still the same as it was around DHMO's RFA? Yes. Nothing changes.

And I'm sure Wikipedia will struggle on with one less arbcom clerk.

It would struggle on with one less Majorly, too, but what's your point?

[Alex]

No offence to him, but the RFA review was a waste of time. Did it get lots of people to say how they thought RFA sucked and had so many problems? Yes. Is RFA still the same as it was around DHMO's RFA? Yes. Nothing changes.

And I'm sure Wikipedia will struggle on with one less arbcom clerk.

It would struggle on with one less Majorly, too, but what's your point?

The question is: what's your point? People retire everyday, so what?

PS. Did you snigger to yourself thinking up that hilarious retort? I certainly did. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/evilgrin.gif)

[Kevin]

I was wondering why my ears were burning

Nothing changes.

Indeed.

So you have been overwhelmed by the frenetic pace of change there as well?

Welcome to the other side.

Kevin

[EricBarbour]

Yes, it struggles on.

And more to the point: Was Gazimoff pushed out by Durova's bullshit,
or did he quit in general disgust?

And why are you people so damn blasé about this?

Starting to think the Glorious Shining Project is a hopeless mess, aren't you?

If that's so, Majorly, why do you keep logging in and adding to/fixing articles?
Your activity log is getting more and more sparse in recent days.....

[Alex]

Yes, it struggles on.

And more to the point: Was Gazimoff pushed out by Durova's bullshit,
or did he quit in general disgust?

And why are you people so damn blasé about this?

Starting to think the Glorious Shining Project is a hopeless mess, aren't you?

If that's so, Majorly, why do you keep logging in and adding to/fixing articles?
Your activity log is getting more and more sparse in recent days.....

I'll tell you why: I'm addicted. I'll tell you the truth: I wish I could leave. Or at least, leave the shit part of Wikipedia, and concentrate on articles instead. I don't think anyone here doubts that if we could start Wikipedia again: with real names, draft versions of articles before publishing, no RFA, no AN/I, no Arbcom, no/strict rules on BLPs etc etc, it would be 1000 times better than it is.

The reason for the lack of activity recently is because I'm out working on my placement from early in the morning until, tonight for example, 6pm. I actually have something to do with my time for the first time in almost three years, other than faff about on the computer all day long.

[EricBarbour]

I'll tell you why: I'm addicted. I'll tell you the truth: I wish I could leave. Or at least, leave the shit part of Wikipedia, and concentrate on articles instead. I don't think anyone here doubts that if we could start Wikipedia again: with real names, draft versions of articles before publishing, no RFA, no AN/I, no Arbcom, no/strict rules on BLPs etc etc, it would be 1000 times better than it is.

There are options, remember?
Citizendium, Encyc.org, probably several more I can't remember. Or start your own,
and copy WP article text over to re-edit. I am under the impression that their license allows this
under some circumstances.

Or are you addicted to the Wiki-scandals and the Wiki-soap-opera instead?

The reason for the lack of activity recently is because I'm out working on my placement from early in the morning until, tonight for example, 6pm. I actually have something to do with my time for the first time in almost three years, other than faff about on the computer all day long.

Good! You finally have something really productive to do!

So do I.........in fact, I've gotta finish another big pile of those damn things and ship 'em.

[Alex]

There are options, remember?
Citizendium, Encyc.org, probably several more I can't remember. Or start your own,
and copy WP article text over to re-edit. I am under the impression that their license allows this
under some circumstances.

Or are you addicted to the Wiki-scandals and the Wiki-soap-opera instead?

The reason for the lack of activity recently is because I'm out working on my placement from early in the morning until, tonight for example, 6pm. I actually have something to do with my time for the first time in almost three years, other than faff about on the computer all day long.

Good! You finally have something really productive to do!

So do I.........in fact, I've gotta finish another big pile of those damn things and ship 'em.

I don't like the sound of any of them. The thing is I enjoy writing articles on Wikipedia. I'd like to stay on Wikipedia and write articles. It is quite difficult to do so when 1. I'm very busy and 2. The "ground" on which Wikipedia rests is currently an ongoing earthquake. I am distracted by the Wikidrama and all the stuff that goes on, and yes, I am addicted to it. I mean - I check this stupid forum every day just to see! I find it fascinating, and think it would make a great study in human psychology. I have long thought that about requests for adminship.

I think Wikipedia could work and be brilliant if just a few small things were changed. Those small things will never happen, unfortunately.

[Alison]

I'll tell you why: I'm addicted. I'll tell you the truth: I wish I could leave.

My turn this time:

The problem is all inside your head, she said to me
The answer is easy if you take it logically
I'd like to help you in your struggle to be free
There must be fifty ways to leave Wiki-pee-dee.

Just take a WP:BREAK, Jake
Join the Review, Stu
No need to be coy, Roy
Just get yourself free

Hop off the Wikibus, Gus
No need to discuss much
Just drop the Encyclopee, Lee
And get yourself free ....

(sorry, sorry. I'll get my coat (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/smile.gif) )

[Alex]

Join the Review, Stu

Been there, done that! (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/smile.gif) I've been on here longer than most regulars. I hardly consider it an alternative though.

[Ahypori]

The thing is I enjoy writing articles on Wikipedia. I'd like to stay on Wikipedia and write articles. It is quite difficult to do so when 1. I'm very busy and 2. The "ground" on which Wikipedia rests is currently an ongoing earthquake. I am distracted by the Wikidrama and all the stuff that goes on, and yes, I am addicted to it.

I took a near-month long break from Wikipedia after my RfA nomination of Everyking last year (only logging in briefly with my alternate account to support a few RfAs, one of which was Aitias...eek), as I was stressed out from the drama, and also from the high-profile RfA, and the break turned out to be beneficial. When I came back, I made a strong effort to stick to the mainspace and keep away from the noticeboards and drama-mongers as much as possible (the recent exception being the Aitias case). That, combined with the break, has done a load of good, both for me and for Wikipedia. As such, I agree with you that editing articles is much, much more fun and productive than fighting around the Wiki: I wish more of the drama-lovers would put more of their energy into building the encyclopedia.

I mean - I check this stupid forum every day just to see! I find it fascinating, and think it would make a great study in human psychology. I have long thought that about requests for adminship.

The above being said, I too, actually read the noticeboards to see what drama is going on.

I think Wikipedia could work and be brilliant if just a few small things were changed. Those small things will never happen, unfortunately.

To begin with, chanelling the "dramaenergy" into article-building would be a simple yet largely productive change for the long-term. If the focus on generating useless discussions at WT:RFA was placed into article-building instead, we create loads of featured articles and be very happy for it too.

[Malleus]

To begin with, chanelling the "dramaenergy" into article-building would be a simple yet largely productive change for the long-term. If the focus on generating useless discussions at WT:RFA was placed into article-building instead, we create loads of featured articles and be very happy for it too.

What about starting with the deletion of that "Please Sir, X was rude to me" peanut gallery aka WQA?

[LaraLove]

I'm sure Wikipedia will struggle on with one less arbcom clerk.

It would struggle on with one less Majorly, too, but what's your point?

The question is: what's your point? People retire everyday, so what?

PS. Did you snigger to yourself thinking up that hilarious retort? I certainly did. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/evilgrin.gif)

I don't know what snigger means (and it's not pretty, so I'll stick to whatever is analogous), but I didn't find my retort hilarious. I was being serious. My point, dearest Maj o rly?, is partly summed up in your later post:

I think Wikipedia could work and be brilliant if just a few small things were changed. Those small things will never happen, unfortunately.

That's the point, troubled child. Wikipedia needs to make a few changes, but those changes will never happen. At least not until change is forced upon it. That is why it matters when big name admins retire. Admins that are also ArbCom clerks, for example.

In that this has to be explained to you, you clearly don't check in on WR enough; or you're not reading the right threads. To be fair, not all admin losses matter. Of that you can be sure. Your own, for example, was much needed. Of course, considering all the months I fought to yank you down from your administrative pedestal, I'm sure it's clear to everyone where I stand on you and adminship, yet you believe you never abused anything. Right... well, whatever makes you feel better about it.

If you want to stop editing Wikipedia, Majorly, and I think you should, how about you just quit? Here's a good way to do it: Drop a long spiel on your talk page, so that you look like a bigger dumbass than usual if you return, and have all your shit protected. Synergy will swing by and stick his nose in your shit as he so loves to do, but not until a few weeks later, and by then... you just don't care about editing anymore. Trust me.

It's not just an addiction. It's a habit. And for you it's a bad habit. Bad habits can be broken, though. They say something becomes a habit once you do it ten times. Women who take birth control pills may want to fact tag that, but that's what they say. Anyway, it sort of works the other way, too. Stop doing something for a while, and pretty soon, that habit is gone.

If you really love Wikipedia, Majorly, then you'll let it go.

[EricBarbour]

If you want to stop editing Wikipedia, Majorly, and I think you should, how about you just quit? Here's a good way to do it: Drop a long spiel on your talk page, so that you look like a bigger dumbass than usual if you return, and have all your shit protected. Synergy will swing by and stick his nose in your shit as he so loves to do, but not until a few weeks later, and by then... you just don't care about editing anymore. Trust me.

(snigger) Nicely put.

[Floydsvoid]

And get yourself free ....

Hear... hear.... I vote it two Moultons and 7/8 Milton Roe.

I'm not a wikipediot tho I admit to correcting a few irritating spelling errors as an ip, So maybe I have an outside viewpoint.

I contribute computer code to a number of open-source projects, some more than others. I find as I become more involved in a project, the more I find myself fixing code that I'm not particularly interested in. And since my forte is fixing problems, I find that I'm expected to fix problems. But that's not the hook that lured me to the project in the first place. And I kind of get tired of that after a while. So I don't think that `administrator burnout' is a new or novel idea unique to wikipedia.

I'd like to take this opportunity to observe that while wikipedia purports itself to be based on the open-source programming model, in actuality it bears no resemblance whatsoever. It would be absolute chaos if any Joe Smoe could check in source code. I suppose that's an advantage, computer source code has to be compiled (or interpreted or whatever) and nonsense is quickly noticed. In wikipedia the `code' is words and is interpreted by many different minds differently. In open-source projects there is a definitive hierarchy, much like a monarchy. In linux, Linus is the gatekeeper of what goes into his tree. Don't like it, fork it!

[Lar]

I'll tell you why: I'm addicted. I'll tell you the truth: I wish I could leave. Or at least, leave the shit part of Wikipedia, and concentrate on articles instead. I don't think anyone here doubts that if we could start Wikipedia again: with real names, draft versions of articles before publishing, no RFA, no AN/I, no Arbcom, no/strict rules on BLPs etc etc, it would be 1000 times better than it is.

I was with you until the "no strict rules on BLPs" at which point I was about to fire a broadside... "no strict rules??? strict rules are exactly what is needed....!!*)#%&@)&%"

...then I re-read it, parsed it differently and saw you are saying "no BLPs" or "strict rules on BLPs" ... whew. Thought you'd went over to the dark side for a minute there.

I never liked Slash anyway. Thought he was way overrated compared to truly great guitarists.

[Gazimoff]

And more to the point: Was Gazimoff pushed out by Durova's bullshit,
or did he quit in general disgust?

No, I wasn't pushed out, although I was disappointed. I wouldn't say I've retired in disgust, and would probably describe it more as a realignment of priorities.

I don't think anyone here doubts that if we could start Wikipedia again: with real names, draft versions of articles before publishing, no RFA, no AN/I, no Arbcom, no/strict rules on BLPs etc etc, it would be 1000 times better than it is.

I'm not sure that this would result in any improvement. I would say that Wikipedia has been exemplary at demonstrating which areas of a collaborative project are strengthened by community involvement, which ones are weakened by it and which ones can cause a project to stagnate. I think I'll find the insight most useful.

That's the point, troubled child. Wikipedia needs to make a few changes, but those changes will never happen. At least not until change is forced upon it. That is why it matters when big name admins retire. Admins that are also ArbCom clerks, for example.

The difficulty lies in the manner of retirement. Yes, WP has many faults, but I fear that to list them as a litany of complaints would probably make me come across as a petulant teenager. But to risk it with the aim of setting the scene, I was never a big name admin. I didn't hang around the major noticeboards, and I didn't pump out blocks, page protections, or other similar behaviour. All I wanted was to perform tasks that were enjoyable and mildly intellectually satisfying, or where I felt I could improve the project or add value. I no longer feel that the latter is possible, and have little time in the grand scheme of things to support the former. As a result I guess retirement is inevitable, even if the statement only helps to draw a line under things.

[Alex]

I'm sure Wikipedia will struggle on with one less arbcom clerk.

It would struggle on with one less Majorly, too, but what's your point?

The question is: what's your point? People retire everyday, so what?

PS. Did you snigger to yourself thinking up that hilarious retort? I certainly did. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/evilgrin.gif)

I don't know what snigger means (and it's not pretty, so I'll stick to whatever is analogous), but I didn't find my retort hilarious. I was being serious. My point, dearest Maj o rly?, is partly summed up in your later post:

I think Wikipedia could work and be brilliant if just a few small things were changed. Those small things will never happen, unfortunately.

That's the point, troubled child. Wikipedia needs to make a few changes, but those changes will never happen. At least not until change is forced upon it. That is why it matters when big name admins retire. Admins that are also ArbCom clerks, for example.

In that this has to be explained to you, you clearly don't check in on WR enough; or you're not reading the right threads. To be fair, not all admin losses matter. Of that you can be sure. Your own, for example, was much needed. Of course, considering all the months I fought to yank you down from your administrative pedestal, I'm sure it's clear to everyone where I stand on you and adminship, yet you believe you never abused anything. Right... well, whatever makes you feel better about it.

If you want to stop editing Wikipedia, Majorly, and I think you should, how about you just quit? Here's a good way to do it: Drop a long spiel on your talk page, so that you look like a bigger dumbass than usual if you return, and have all your shit protected. Synergy will swing by and stick his nose in your shit as he so loves to do, but not until a few weeks later, and by then... you just don't care about editing anymore. Trust me.

It's not just an addiction. It's a habit. And for you it's a bad habit. Bad habits can be broken, though. They say something becomes a habit once you do it ten times. Women who take birth control pills may want to fact tag that, but that's what they say. Anyway, it sort of works the other way, too. Stop doing something for a while, and pretty soon, that habit is gone.

If you really love Wikipedia, Majorly, then you'll let it go.

Do you get cheap thrills from attacking me? Does hurting other people make you feel warm inside? Is it possible for you to talk to me without being so nasty about it? Why do you hate me so much?

[Lar]

If you really love Wikipedia, Majorly, then you'll let it go.

Do you get cheap thrills from attacking me? Does hurting other people make you feel warm inside? Is it possible for you to talk to me without being so nasty about it? Why do you hate me so much?

I hate to see two people I like go at it this way, and you know I think highly of both of you for your good qualities.

Could you guys maybe try to see the good side of each other a bit more? Truth is, you're both right about a lot of very important things, like how addictive WP can be, and how it can tend to foster bad behaviours, and how some of the less fun powergame stuff is... well... less fun. Maybe focus on that, and what good qualities each of you have and know that the other has, instead of focusing on the bad?

Majorly... that means you maybe should try to develop a thicker skin and just let stuff flow on by. People get your goat way easy... because you let them.

Lara... that means you maybe should try to pick on harder targets... someone almost as tough as you is more challenging than Majorly, as they are harder to get a rise out of, don't you think?

You both can tell me to go soak my head now I guess... probably I will have annoyed both of you by posting this. Oh well, sorry. With all the real problems out there that urgently need attention, I hate to see good people like you two, who are on the same side, fight.

[LaraLove]

Why do you hate me so much?

You sound like Kurt now.

I don't hate you, Majorly. You annoy me.

I hate to see two people I like go at it this way, and you know I think highly of both of you for your good qualities.

Could you guys maybe try to see the good side of each other a bit more? Truth is, you're both right about a lot of very important things, like how addictive WP can be, and how it can tend to foster bad behaviours, and how some of the less fun powergame stuff is... well... less fun. Maybe focus on that, and what good qualities each of you have and know that the other has, instead of focusing on the bad?

Majorly... that means you maybe should try to develop a thicker skin and just let stuff flow on by. People get your goat way easy... because you let them.

Lara... that means you maybe should try to pick on harder targets... someone almost as tough as you is more challenging than Majorly, as they are harder to get a rise out of, don't you think?

You both can tell me to go soak my head now I guess... probably I will have annoyed both of you by posting this. Oh well, sorry. With all the real problems out there that urgently need attention, I hate to see good people like you two, who are on the same side, fight.

I have tried to see things from Majorly's point of view, but it's just pointless. I don't understand him. And while I appreciate that it's picking on a weak target, it's sometimes just too much to pass up. I do refrain most of the time, though. That should count for something. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/happy.gif)

And I'm not at all annoyed with you, Lar.

[CharlotteWebb]

I'll tell you why: I'm addicted. I'll tell you the truth: I wish I could leave. Or at least, leave the shit part of Wikipedia, and concentrate on articles instead. I don't think anyone here doubts that if we could start Wikipedia again: with real names, draft versions of articles before publishing, no RFA, no AN/I, no Arbcom, no/strict rules on BLPs etc etc, it would be 1000 times better than it is.

It would also still be too small for most of us to have heard of it.

Even now, Sangerpedia would remain completely unknown to us if we didn't already know who Larry was (allegedly).

The problem is all inside your head, she said to me

Actually what I really want to hear now is "Still Crazy After All These Years". Gotta love that saxophone solo. /me wanders off to Youtube.

I've got a few half-written parodies stuck in my head, none as bad as Moulton's. I should write 'em down somewhere before I forget.

To begin with, chanelling the "dramaenergy" into article-building would be a simple yet largely productive change for the long-term. If the focus on generating useless discussions at WT:RFA was placed into article-building instead, we create loads of featured articles and be very happy for it too.

No, most of them wouldn't be "featured", just incredibly long.

[Alex]

If you really love Wikipedia, Majorly, then you'll let it go.

Do you get cheap thrills from attacking me? Does hurting other people make you feel warm inside? Is it possible for you to talk to me without being so nasty about it? Why do you hate me so much?

I hate to see two people I like go at it this way, and you know I think highly of both of you for your good qualities.

Could you guys maybe try to see the good side of each other a bit more? Truth is, you're both right about a lot of very important things, like how addictive WP can be, and how it can tend to foster bad behaviours, and how some of the less fun powergame stuff is... well... less fun. Maybe focus on that, and what good qualities each of you have and know that the other has, instead of focusing on the bad?

Majorly... that means you maybe should try to develop a thicker skin and just let stuff flow on by. People get your goat way easy... because you let them.

Lara... that means you maybe should try to pick on harder targets... someone almost as tough as you is more challenging than Majorly, as they are harder to get a rise out of, don't you think?

You both can tell me to go soak my head now I guess... probably I will have annoyed both of you by posting this. Oh well, sorry. With all the real problems out there that urgently need attention, I hate to see good people like you two, who are on the same side, fight.

I'd love it if Lara could stop trying to drag my name though the mud at every chance possible. I don't think anyone ever has insulted, belittled, attacked and bullied me in ways she has done. I haven't felt like this since high school, when a lad in my year group used to pick on a bunch of us. He thought because he was bigger and better than us he could push us around, beat us up and bully us. This is just like Lara, except now it's me on my own, and we're a little older and mature than that. What's ironic here is that Lara goes on about how awful I am, but she is just as bad as I am, in so many ways. I am personally trying to put my own problems behind me. Lara seems to enjoy bringing them up to put me down. This is a thread about Gazimoff, and she couldn't resist bringing up my desysopping - that took place nearly seven months ago - as if it's the latest thing. I wish she would put it to rest. I have never said I was a perfect admin, and I admitted I made errors. She cannot seem to accept this, and believes that I think I was completely without any problems at all. Lara once told me that she was horrible to me because she thought I was a crappy admin. Now I've not been one for over six months, she's still using every opportunity to put me down. If I was to ever leave Wikipedia, it would not because Wikipedia is a problem, but it would be because I can't bear what she's doing. Perhaps I should toughen up a bit, but perhaps Lara should just stop picking on people, then we wouldn't have this problem.

I have recently been on threads here where me, her, Malleus and Iridescent all agree on something, and we're perfectly capable of having an adult conversation. I'd like to keep it that way, without being attacked and ridiculed, by what is no better than schoolyard bullying.

[CharlotteWebb]

Why do you hate me so much?

You sound like Kurt now.

Whoa there, since when does Kurt care whether or why anyone hates him?

That's one thing I always admired about Kurt.

[Son of a Yeti]

The question is: what's your point? People retire everyday, so what?

Soon after standing in an election?

Did he need to spend more quality time with his family?

(IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/wtf.gif)

[CharlotteWebb]

I'd love it if Lara could stop trying to drag my name though the mud at every chance possible. I don't think anyone ever has insulted, belittled, attacked and bullied me in ways she has done. I haven't felt like this since high school, when a lad in my year group used to pick on a bunch of us...

Ah, what to do about a bully. I know... you could stab him, hit him in the head with a baseball bat, and throw his body in the swamp, then then brag to all your friends about it. That seems so cliché though. You owe it to yourself to be more imaginative than that. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/tongue.gif)

[GlassBeadGame]

I hate to see two people I like go at it this way, and you know I think highly of both of you for your good qualities.

Could you guys maybe try to see the good side of each other a bit more? Truth is, you're both right about a lot of very important things, like how addictive WP can be, and how it can tend to foster bad behaviours, and how some of the less fun powergame stuff is... well... less fun. Maybe focus on that, and what good qualities each of you have and know that the other has, instead of focusing on the bad?

Majorly... that means you maybe should try to develop a thicker skin and just let stuff flow on by. People get your goat way easy... because you let them.

Lara... that means you maybe should try to pick on harder targets... someone almost as tough as you is more challenging than Majorly, as they are harder to get a rise out of, don't you think?

You both can tell me to go soak my head now I guess... probably I will have annoyed both of you by posting this. Oh well, sorry. With all the real problems out there that urgently need attention, I hate to see good people like you two, who are on the same side, fight.

This banal crap has been brought to you by the Wikipedia Chamber of Commerce Boosters Club hoping you all have a nice day.

[Malleus]

Why do you hate me so much?

You sound like Kurt now.

Whoa there, since when does Kurt care whether or why anyone hates him?

That's one thing I always admired about Kurt.

I'd rather have someone like Kurt around, who has principles and is prepared to stand by them, instead of ... well, you know, the other sort. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/biggrin.gif)

No, most of them wouldn't be "featured", just incredibly long.

... incredibly boring, and appallingly written.

[LaraLove]

I'd love it if Lara could stop trying to drag my name though the mud at every chance possible. I don't think anyone ever has insulted, belittled, attacked and bullied me in ways she has done. I haven't felt like this since high school, when a lad in my year group used to pick on a bunch of us. He thought because he was bigger and better than us he could push us around, beat us up and bully us. This is just like Lara, except now it's me on my own, and we're a little older and mature than that. What's ironic here is that Lara goes on about how awful I am, but she is just as bad as I am, in so many ways. I am personally trying to put my own problems behind me. Lara seems to enjoy bringing them up to put me down. This is a thread about Gazimoff, and she couldn't resist bringing up my desysopping - that took place nearly seven months ago - as if it's the latest thing. I wish she would put it to rest. I have never said I was a perfect admin, and I admitted I made errors. She cannot seem to accept this, and believes that I think I was completely without any problems at all. Lara once told me that she was horrible to me because she thought I was a crappy admin. Now I've not been one for over six months, she's still using every opportunity to put me down. If I was to ever leave Wikipedia, it would not because Wikipedia is a problem, but it would be because I can't bear what she's doing. Perhaps I should toughen up a bit, but perhaps Lara should just stop picking on people, then we wouldn't have this problem.

I have recently been on threads here where me, her, Malleus and Iridescent all agree on something, and we're perfectly capable of having an adult conversation. I'd like to keep it that way, without being attacked and ridiculed, by what is no better than schoolyard bullying.

You just graduated like a year ago, right? Anyway, I mostly leave you alone. You're the one being a douchebag in my thread. Damn skippy it's about Gazimoff, so sit down, son. Your comment wasn't about Gazimoff. It was asking why I bothered to post it. A stupid question.

And please, pack up your belongings and leave a nastygram on your talk page about how I ran you off of WP by "bullying" you on WR. I would be glad to take credit for helping you break your addiction. And don't be offended by that. I'm trying to pull as many admins and long-established users off the project as I can -- the good ones -- for the benefit of all involved.

That said, Majorly, you don't have the spine to stand up to me, so don't try it. If you wanna spar in text, then do it; otherwise, don't make dumbass comments in response to my threads and then cry when I snap at you.

Why do you hate me so much?

You sound like Kurt now.

Whoa there, since when does Kurt care whether or why anyone hates him?

That's one thing I always admired about Kurt.

Kurt: Why do you hate Wikipedia?
Majorly: Why do you hate/dislike me so much?

[Bottled_Spider]

I hate to see two people I like go at it this way, and you know I think highly of both of you for your good qualities.

Could you guys maybe try to see the good side of each other a bit more? Truth is, you're both right about a lot of very important things, like how addictive WP can be, and how it can tend to foster bad behaviours, and how some of the less fun powergame stuff is... well... less fun. Maybe focus on that, and what good qualities each of you have and know that the other has, instead of focusing on the bad?

Majorly... that means you maybe should try to develop a thicker skin and just let stuff flow on by. People get your goat way easy... because you let them.

Lara... that means you maybe should try to pick on harder targets... someone almost as tough as you is more challenging than Majorly, as they are harder to get a rise out of, don't you think?

You both can tell me to go soak my head now I guess... probably I will have annoyed both of you by posting this. Oh well, sorry. With all the real problems out there that urgently need attention, I hate to see good people like you two, who are on the same side, fight.

This banal crap has been brought to you by the Wikipedia Chamber of Commerce Boosters Club hoping you all have a nice day.

It sounds a bit wanky only because he forgot to add a final one-sentence "killer" paragraph such as :

"And, remember, respect your parents, say your prayers, and always brush your teeth before going to bed".

[Gazimoff]

Soon after standing in an election?
Did he need to spend more quality time with his family?

Not quite. Arbcom clerks aren't elected, only Arbcom members.

Damn skippy it's about Gazimoff, so sit down, son.

Hey, I'm quite content to sit back and let you two get on with it (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/wink.gif)

[EricBarbour]

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[Shalom]

Soon after standing in an election?
Did he need to spend more quality time with his family?

Not quite. Arbcom clerks aren't elected, only Arbcom members.

Yeah, I was wondering what SoaY meant...anyway, Gazimoff was never a full clerk, only a clerk trainee.

[Daniel]

Yeah, I was wondering what SoaY meant...anyway, Gazimoff was never a full clerk, only a clerk trainee.

The trainees are still passed by and receive the casual assent of the Committee, so the difference between the trainees and the 'full' Clerks is minimal...actually, to be honest, I think there's little difference between them, except for the whole 'mentorship' angle.

</pointless interjection>

I'd love it if Lara could stop trying to drag my name though the mud at every chance possible. I don't think anyone ever has insulted, belittled, attacked and bullied me in ways she has done.

I'm wondering if I should take this as a slight on my be-an-[alleged]-dick-to-Wikipedians skills which are [allegedly] so well respected...j/k (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/tongue.gif)

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[weburiedoursecretsinthegarden]

I don't know exactly where this thread has gone, and to be frank I don't care who kills who. But can I wish Gazimoff my best wishes for the future - a truly inspiring workmate. All the best, mate.

[Gazimoff]

6 months away, and resolve is slipping. Feeling the need to contribute and help out again. Suggestions?

[CharlotteWebb]

6 months away, and resolve is slipping. Feeling the need to contribute and help out again. Suggestions?

Make Felix Pedro a featured article on or before June 22, 2010.

[LaraLove]

6 months away, and resolve is slipping. Feeling the need to contribute and help out again. Suggestions?

What's your stance on the BLP problem?

[Malleus]

6 months away, and resolve is slipping. Feeling the need to contribute and help out again. Suggestions?

What's your stance on the BLP problem?

It's not a problem, it's a disaster ... oh wait ... you weren't asking me. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/biggrin.gif)

[Appleby]

6 months away, and resolve is slipping. Feeling the need to contribute and help out again. Suggestions?

Have you seen White Ox? (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/tongue.gif)

[Kevin]

6 months away, and resolve is slipping. Feeling the need to contribute and help out again. Suggestions?

First go bang your head on a nearby wall for a bit. If the sensation pleases you, then you are probably in the right frame of mind for a return.

[A Horse With No Name]

6 months away, and resolve is slipping. Feeling the need to contribute and help out again. Suggestions?

Go into your real community (the one outside of your door) and volunteer. Work with kids that need mentoring. Do work with the Red Cross or a volunteer emergency services operation. Lend a hand at a local food bank. If you need to contribute, then do it in a way that makes a genuine impact on the world.

[Gazimoff]

Make Felix Pedro a featured article on or before June 22, 2010.

I was never one for biographies, personally. Besides, the quality of my writing and my experiences with the Featured Article mob put me off the idea. In comparison, RfA was easier.

What's your stance on the BLP problem?

I think it's a huge problem, and I don't think that the recent changes and new proposals go far enough. That said, I'm not sure that the geeks who started Wikipedia ten years ago had any idea of the problems it would face. That one single website can cause such damage to an individual's life or career is extremely worrying, and yet large numbers of those that work on it feel that their behaviour is perfectly acceptable.

Part of me feels that bigraphies of living people should be completely cut out of Wikipedia and housed elsewhere (in a similar way to Commons or News), with far stricter policies on inclusion and sourcing. If only to ensure that those of us who want to work on more boring or mundane topics can get some peace and quiet.

Yes, it is a mess. And it needs to be sorted. Whether they have the balls to do it is another thing. One thing I have learned about online communities is that where there is a nettle that needs to be grasped or a bitter pill that needs to be swallowed, people will do absolutely anything to avoid it.

First go bang your head on a nearby wall for a bit. If the sensation pleases you, then you are probably in the right frame of mind for a return.

I'd love to get my hands on some churn rates for Wikipedia, both from editors and administrators. Services like Twitter and Facebook have a 60% churn rate and yet they don't generally have people going out of their way to piss eachother off. I think that there needs to be more standing up to dickish behaviour and more opportunity to nip things in the bud, but I don't see that happening any time soon. Then again, I find it interesting that WP is now actively courting experts to join the project. I don't think these experts will stick around much once they find out how much their knowledge is appreciated by others in the community.

Go into your real community (the one outside of your door) and volunteer. Work with kids that need mentoring. Do work with the Red Cross or a volunteer emergency services operation. Lend a hand at a local food bank. If you need to contribute, then do it in a way that makes a genuine impact on the world.

I'll dwell on this. I've always been part of the tech community, and I'll be looking to flex it in other ways. But it is a shame, however, that this project is not as philanthropic as I had once hoped.

[LaraLove]

What's your stance on the BLP problem?

I think it's a huge problem, and I don't think that the recent changes and new proposals go far enough. That said, I'm not sure that the geeks who started Wikipedia ten years ago had any idea of the problems it would face. That one single website can cause such damage to an individual's life or career is extremely worrying, and yet large numbers of those that work on it feel that their behaviour is perfectly acceptable.

Part of me feels that bigraphies of living people should be completely cut out of Wikipedia and housed elsewhere (in a similar way to Commons or News), with far stricter policies on inclusion and sourcing. If only to ensure that those of us who want to work on more boring or mundane topics can get some peace and quiet.

Yes, it is a mess. And it needs to be sorted. Whether they have the balls to do it is another thing. One thing I have learned about online communities is that where there is a nettle that needs to be grasped or a bitter pill that needs to be swallowed, people will do absolutely anything to avoid it.

Brilliant idea. Never seen that one before. Absolutely brilliant. Will it ever happen? Almost certainly not. But I think that's probably the best proposal I've seen.

[Apathetic]

Biopedia?

[Eva Destruction]

Biopedia?

BLPdeia

[CharlotteWebb]

Biopedia?

BLPdeia

BLPocalypse Now!

[Eva Destruction]

Biopedia?

BLPdeia

BLPocalypse Now!

Doran's Vile

[LaraLove]

I was thinking Wikiography.

[Milton Roe]

Biopedia?

BLPdeia

BLPocalypse Now!

Doran's Vile

Very good. In Doran's Vile. GREAT title for her jail bio. In the Belly of the Wikibeast.


Gossipedia
Wikigossip
Wikitabloid
Wikitabloidigest
Wikidefamegame
WikiDishDirt

So many possilbilities. So much time.

[A Horse With No Name]

I'll dwell on this. I've always been part of the tech community, and I'll be looking to flex it in other ways. But it is a shame, however, that this project is not as philanthropic as I had once hoped.

Why don't you volunteer to teach computer skills to kids? Or start your own web site that would build a positive and intellectually focused youth community online (which WP is not).

[LaraLove]

Gossipedia
Wikigossip
Wikitabloid
Wikitabloidigest
Wikidefamegame
WikiDishDirt

So many possilbilities. So much time.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jen...ia#False_gossip

[Gazimoff]

6 months away, and resolve is slipping. Feeling the need to contribute and help out again. Suggestions?

Go into your real community (the one outside of your door) and volunteer. Work with kids that need mentoring. Do work with the Red Cross or a volunteer emergency services operation. Lend a hand at a local food bank. If you need to contribute, then do it in a way that makes a genuine impact on the world.

I did about 18 months after I left University at a local college for 16-18 year olds, training them on how to do basic computer maintenance. I'm not sure I'd want to go back and do it again, but the experience was valuable.

I'm currently doing some research into crowdsourced knowledge-sharing projects like Wikipedia for some other projects, and I'll let you know how they progress. Other than that, I have other online projects I may get started (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/smile.gif)

[Milton Roe]

Gossipedia
Wikigossip
Wikitabloid
Wikitabloidigest
Wikidefamegame
WikiDishDirt

So many possilbilities. So much time.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jen...ia#False_gossip

One can make a perfectly Wikipedian argument that the Gere Gerbil needs to be examined from stem to stern, and probably have its own subpage. And it all makes me think of somebody or other's comment that Warhol was right about everyone being famous in the future for 20 minutes, except they didn't tell you it would be 20 minutes of rectal probing.

[jayvdb]

I'm currently doing some research into crowdsourced knowledge-sharing projects like Wikipedia for some other projects, and I'll let you know how they progress. Other than that, I have other online projects I may get started (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/smile.gif)

If you are interested in learning about other crowdsourcing projects, you might find Wikisource interesting. The DNB and EB1911 projects are quite mature and would appreciate an extra hand, even if it was only for a little while. Or you could help the Proofread of the Month; the text for September is Notes on the churches in the counties of Kent, Sussex, and Surrey, and it looks like it wont be finished before the end of the month.

[Viridae]

6 months away, and resolve is slipping. Feeling the need to contribute and help out again. Suggestions?

Go into your real community (the one outside of your door) and volunteer. Work with kids that need mentoring. Do work with the Red Cross or a volunteer emergency services operation. Lend a hand at a local food bank. If you need to contribute, then do it in a way that makes a genuine impact on the world.

Oh god yes. Way more fulfilling than WP. (I am in a "volunteer emergency services operation" as Horsey put it.)

[CharlotteWebb]

6 months away, and resolve is slipping. Feeling the need to contribute and help out again. Suggestions?

Make Felix Pedro a featured article on or before June 22, 2010.

Sorry, you fail.

[Gazimoff]

Sorry, you fail.

Maybe. Maybe I won. Depends what game you're playing (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/wink.gif)