It's that time again!, Time for 2011 arbcom elections. Options

[that one guy]

I think the topic says it all, but the default questions they have for the candidates this year are particularly good from my view.

[thekohser]

Thank you for not utilizing the "Insert Link" feature of the message board, so that none of us need to waste any of our time looking at this big game of charades that you refer to.

[Michaeldsuarez]

Thank you for not utilizing the "Insert Link" feature of the message board, so that none of us need to waste any of our time looking at this big game of charades that you refer to.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arb...2011/Candidates

Here's a link to the candidates. The nomination process is still ongoing, so we can expect more candidates to sign up. Most of the current candidates' usernames should be familiar. Coren, Kirill Lokshin, and Risker are incumbents, while Hersfold is a former Arbitrator. AGK, Courcelles, Geni, and Hot Stop are also running.

Here's a link to those general questions "that one guy" mentioned:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arb...estions/General

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[radek]

Thank you for not utilizing the "Insert Link" feature of the message board, so that none of us need to waste any of our time looking at this big game of charades that you refer to.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arb...2011/Candidates

Here's a link to the candidates. The nomination process is still ongoing, so we can expect more candidates to sign up. Most of the current candidates' usernames should be familiar. Coren, Kirill Lokshin, and Risker are incumbents, while Hersfold is a former Arbitrator. AGK, Courcelles, Geni, and Hot Stop are also running.

Here's a link to those general questions "that one guy" mentioned:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arb...estions/General

Lol, Geni is the person who thought that Vice-Presidents of the United States are not subject to fixed terms (among some other nonsense). And he says he's been de-admined three times. Not sure what the story with that one is.

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[Michaeldsuarez]

Lol, Geni is the person who thought that Vice-Presidents of the United States are not subject to fixed terms (among some other nonsense). And he says he's been de-admined three times. Not sure what the story with that one is.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...age=User%3AGeni

Are you sure he or she was desysopped three times? The log suggests that Geni was only desysopped once. Geni had four RfA's, and only two of them were successful. The sequence of events as I see it goes as follows:

1. First RfA results in Geni becoming a sysop.
2. Geni loses he or her sysop rights.
3. Second RfA fails.
4. Third RfA fails.
5. Fourth RfA results in Geni becoming a sysop for a second time.

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[thekohser]

Lol, Geni is the person who thought that Vice-Presidents of the United States are not subject to fixed terms (among some other nonsense).

What country do you live in? VPs in the United States could serve for 60 years, if they wanted.

[radek]

Lol, Geni is the person who thought that Vice-Presidents of the United States are not subject to fixed terms (among some other nonsense).

What country do you live in? VPs in the United States could serve for 60 years, if they wanted.

Term limits vs. fixed terms (yes there was some confusion on terminology in that discussion). I think (not 100% sure) that the term is still fixed at four years, though technically a VP can hold as many of these as they wish.

Anyway, the practical implications of all that is what? Last I checked Hubert Humphrey was no longer VP.

Lol, Geni is the person who thought that Vice-Presidents of the United States are not subject to fixed terms (among some other nonsense). And he says he's been de-admined three times. Not sure what the story with that one is.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...age=User%3AGeni

Are you sure he or she was desysopped three times? The log suggests that Geni was only desysopped once. Geni had four RfA's, and only two of them were successful. The sequence of events as I see it goes as follows:

1. First RfA results in Geni becoming a sysop.
2. Geni loses he or her sysop rights.
3. Second RfA fails.
4. Third RfA fails.
5. Fourth RfA results in Geni becoming a sysop for a second time.

It's what s/he claimed: "I've been de-admined 3 times that I can recall."

How did s/he loose'em first time?

Edit:
Ah, one of these other times was probably the temporary desysop by Jimbo, which preceded the official de-sysop by ArbCom. So this is the fella that was restoring Daniel's article.

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[Michaeldsuarez]

It's what s/he claimed: "I've been de-admined 3 times that I can recall."

How did s/he loose'em first time?

Edit:
Ah, one of these other times was probably the temporary desysop by Jimbo, which preceded the official de-sysop by ArbCom. So this is the fella that was restoring Daniel's article.

I guess you're right. That means a part of Geni's user rights log is missing, is located elsewhere, or is hidden from the public.

I guess the the following were the restorations that had him or her desysopped:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...e=Daniel_Brandt

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[EricBarbour]

Are you sure he or she was desysopped three times? The log suggests that Geni was only desysopped once. Geni had four RfA's, and only two of them were successful. The sequence of events as I see it goes as follows:[list=1]
[*]First RfA results in Geni becoming a sysop.
[*]Geni loses he or her sysop rights.
[*]Second RfA fails.
[*]Third RfA fails.
[*]Fourth RfA results in Geni becoming a sysop for a second time.

It doesn't matter how many times he was desysopped or not.

Geni is one of the most evil, destructive insiders they've ever had.
He used several socks to deliberately revert thousands of edits,
some bad, some good. This, in addition to harassing Daniel Brandt,
and even Jimbo himself.

And he obviously did it for kicks. Look thru this for some examples.

If they put him on Arbcom, you can thereafter be assured that Arbcom,
and the entire admin system, is utterly corrupt.

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[Michaeldsuarez]

It doesn't matter how many times he was desysopped or not.

Geni is one of the most evil, destructive insiders they've ever had.
He used several socks to deliberately revert thousands of edits,
some bad, some good. This, in addition to harassing Daniel Brandt,
and even Jimbo himself.

And he obviously did it for kicks. Look thru this for some examples.

If they put him on Arbcom, you can thereafter be assured that Arbcom,
and the entire admin system, is utterly corrupt.

Here's how Geni is attempting to justify those accounts:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=461057444

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[thekohser]

If they put him on Arbcom, you can thereafter be assured that Arbcom,
and the entire admin system, is utterly corrupt.

Geni for ArbCom!

[Jaranda]

The candidates were kinda expected, with one newish user who's has no chance so that doesn't count. The only surprise candidate is Geni but he's digging himself a huge hole with all those socks he's exposing. An instantly blocked 2006 account called User:Arbcom Candidate ???

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[-DS-]

Oh bloody heck not Coren again.

[A Horse With No Name]

Oh bloody heck not Coren again.

Hell, any guy who can make a living by publishing photos of naked Montreal women has my votes. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/evilgrin.gif)

[The Joy]

Oh bloody heck not Coren again.

Hell, any guy who can make a living by publishing photos of naked Montreal women has my votes. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/evilgrin.gif)

Coren is the one that helps maintain a website featuring stories about bestiality. There might be naked Montreal women, but they ain't mating with humans. Oh... wait.... now I see why you like Coren! (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/smile.gif)

[Michaeldsuarez]

Incumbent Jclemens and a sysop named "Worm That Turned" are now running.

[tarantino]

Geni for ArbCom!

Yes. The people who edit wp but can't spell or write should have a representative on arbcom.

Here is a slide show Geni narrated in 2006 where he argued that voting in arbcom elections is important.

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[Michaeldsuarez]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arb..._Michaeldsuarez

I asked Geni several questions. The answers are interesting.

I'm planning to ask some more questions. Does anyone have any suggestions?

[radek]

Geni for ArbCom!

Yes. The people who edit wp but can't spell or write should have a representative on arbcom.

Here is a slide show Geni narrated in 2006 where he argued that voting in arbcom elections is important.

Heh heh. "The Arbitration Committee are the final line" - wait how many committees are we voting for here and can all of them really be the final line simultaneously?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arb..._Michaeldsuarez

I asked Geni several questions. The answers are interesting.

I'm planning to ask some more questions. Does anyone have any suggestions?

Sigh, in cases like these after a certain point I start feeling bad for the person involved, no matter how much they deserve it.

[EricBarbour]

Can you please describe how you've changed since you were desysopped in 2007?

A: Well I've got slightly better at walking away. At the same time the foundation and the various upper echelons of wikipedia have become a lot more professional which means a lot of the grey areas that I tended to get caught in have become a lot more settled.©Geni 22:59, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, it's gotten a little more "professional", in that assholes like Geni are no longer trying
to harass their critics (openly anyway), Daniel Brandt being only the most infamous example.

Things are quieter mostly because SV, Jayjg, Guy, JoshuaZ, Durova, and several others
are kinda scarce these days--because they were caught doing dirt to people. Not for lack
of desire to screw somebody over.

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[~DC]

What a crappy bunch of candidates. I can only hope someone comes forward to shake shit up.

[~DC]

What a crappy bunch of candidates. I can only hope someone comes forward to shake shit up.

NWA! Now that's what I'm talking about

[radek]

What a crappy bunch of candidates. I can only hope someone comes forward to shake shit up.

NWA! Now that's what I'm talking about

He does talk a good game.

[Michaeldsuarez]

Incumbent Roger Davies, sysop Eluchil404, and former sysop DeltaQuad are now running.

[Peter Damian]

Interesting Vandenberg not running. His term is up, no? Did he just have enough? Can't blame him, if so.

[radek]

Interesting Vandenberg not running. His term is up, no? Did he just have enough? Can't blame him, if so.

Looking at the eligibility criteria:

(i) has a registered account and has had at least 150 mainspace edits by 1 November 2011.
(ii) meets the Wikimedia Foundation's criteria for access to non-public data or confirms in their election statement they will fully comply with the criteria.[note]
(iii) has disclosed any alternate accounts in their election statements (legitimate accounts which have been declared to the Arbitration Committee prior to the close of nominations need not be publicly disclosed).

I see nothing in there about a nominee being in "good standing", i.e. not currently indef blocked. I also see nothing in there about someone being nominated by someone else. I believe both Greg and Peter fulfill
these criteria (though Greg might run afoul of ii) if he wants to keep his current accounts active). You guys should go for it. Horsey too.

[Peter Damian]

Interesting Vandenberg not running. His term is up, no? Did he just have enough? Can't blame him, if so.

Looking at the eligibility criteria:

(i) has a registered account and has had at least 150 mainspace edits by 1 November 2011.
(ii) meets the Wikimedia Foundation's criteria for access to non-public data or confirms in their election statement they will fully comply with the criteria.[note]
(iii) has disclosed any alternate accounts in their election statements (legitimate accounts which have been declared to the Arbitration Committee prior to the close of nominations need not be publicly disclosed).

I see nothing in there about a nominee being in "good standing", i.e. not currently indef blocked. I also see nothing in there about someone being nominated by someone else. I believe both Greg and Peter fulfill
these criteria (though Greg might run afoul of ii) if he wants to keep his current accounts active). You guys should go for it. Horsey too.

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:ACE2011 for the 'good standing' bit. I had thought of standing this year and I suspect this is why Arbcom refused to lift the block, despite (like months ago) earlier having agreed an unblock.

I'm particularly bitter about that, especially about cowardy-custards like Vandenberg who love to talk the talk but cannot walk the walk. Same goes for Iri and 'Cool hand'.

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[thekohser]

(though Greg might run afoul of ii)

Yes, I'm not interested in disclosing my numerous sockpuppet accounts that are actively engaged on Wikipedia.

[radek]

Interesting Vandenberg not running. His term is up, no? Did he just have enough? Can't blame him, if so.

Looking at the eligibility criteria:

(i) has a registered account and has had at least 150 mainspace edits by 1 November 2011.
(ii) meets the Wikimedia Foundation's criteria for access to non-public data or confirms in their election statement they will fully comply with the criteria.[note]
(iii) has disclosed any alternate accounts in their election statements (legitimate accounts which have been declared to the Arbitration Committee prior to the close of nominations need not be publicly disclosed).

I see nothing in there about a nominee being in "good standing", i.e. not currently indef blocked. I also see nothing in there about someone being nominated by someone else. I believe both Greg and Peter fulfill
these criteria (though Greg might run afoul of ii) if he wants to keep his current accounts active). You guys should go for it. Horsey too.

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:ACE2011 for the 'good standing' bit. I had thought of standing this year and I suspect this is why Arbcom refused to lift the block, despite (like months ago) earlier having agreed an unblock.

I'm particularly bitter about that, especially about cowardy-custards like Vandenberg who love to talk the talk but cannot walk the walk. Same goes for Iri and 'Cool hand'.

Hmm, then why didn't they put that in on the other page?

[Peter Damian]

Hmm, then why didn't they put that in on the other page?

I wonder if you can choose which page? Then we're in business. But how do I nominate myself?

[SB_Johnny]

Hmm, then why didn't they put that in on the other page?

I wonder if you can choose which page? Then we're in business. But how do I nominate myself?

Request unblock so you can run for arbcom? (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/laugh.gif)

[Ego Trippin' (Part Two)]

The fact that DeltaQuad is running (and therefore is apparently an adult) surprises me. He's the type who spends all his time robotically playing Whack-a-Mole with sockpuppets, and based on what I've seen, I thought he was a 16-year-old Aspie for sure. In that context, this part of his statement amuses me:

Without the human factor I might as well be a programed bot run on the toolserver. (I’m speaking sarcastically of course) But with the addition of humanity, I think there comes an understanding of what happens.

I give him credit for boldly framing himself as the "human candidate," despite being one of Wikipedia's most robotic admins. An equally bold maneuver was giving up his admin tools (five months after passing RfA, and one month before the election) for a whole month so he could claim to be learning "to understand the position of a non-admin again." What a crock! There will be plenty of people on Wikipedia who lap it up, though.

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[carbuncle]

The fact that DeltaQuad is running (and therefore is apparently an adult) surprises me. He's the type who spends all his time robotically playing Whack-a-Mole with sockpuppets, and based on what I've seen, I thought he was a 16-year-old Aspie for sure.

DeltaQuad seems to be very interested in sockpuppets, while having little to no ability to discern them. A recent example.

[Jaranda]

Nominations now closed with SilkTork (who I consider to be a very strong candidate), Maxim, and Panyd running.

[mbz1]

Nominations now closed with SilkTork (who I consider to be a very strong candidate), Maxim, and Panyd running.

Could you please elaborate why you consider SilkTork to be a very strong candidate?

[EricBarbour]

How charming. They've got FIVE of their most disgusting patrollers -- AGK, Courcelles, DeltaQuad,
Geni, Hersfold -- running for Arbcom. Plus four people who do nothing but use Wikipedia as a
private Facebook. The remainder are gnomes who use bots to mess with formatting (SilkTork included).
Very few of the candidates have actually written and finished any articles.

It's broken, the whole thing is fucked. That's all I can say.

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[that one guy]

Final list:
1 AGK (CU/OS, AUSC Member)
2 Coren (i)
3 Courcelles (CU/OS, AUSC Member)
4 DeltaQuad (Former Admin)
5 Eluchil404
6 Geni
7 Hersfold (CU/OS, Former Arb)
8 Hot Stop (Non-Admin)
9 Jclemens (i)
10 Kirill Lokshin (i)
11 Kww
12 Maxim (Crat)
13 NWA.Rep (Non-Admin)
14 Panyd
15 Risker (i)
16 Roger Davies (i)
17 SilkTork
18 Worm That Turned

Cool Hand Luke, John Vandenberg, and Mailer Diablo are the only sitting arbs that aren't running again. There are 3 non-admins (one of which is former), 3 users with CU/OS that aren't currently sitting (2 of which are involved with ArbCom already, one who is a former arb), and one crat that isn't sitting in the running.

[melloden]

Final list:
1 AGK (CU/OS, AUSC Member)
2 Coren (i)
3 Courcelles (CU/OS, AUSC Member)
4 DeltaQuad (Former Admin)
5 Eluchil404
6 Geni
7 Hersfold (CU/OS, Former Arb)
8 Hot Stop (Non-Admin)
9 Jclemens (i)
10 Kirill Lokshin (i)
11 Kww
12 Maxim (Crat)
13 NWA.Rep (Non-Admin)
14 Panyd
15 Risker (i)
16 Roger Davies (i)
17 SilkTork
18 Worm That Turned

Cool Hand Luke, John Vandenberg, and Mailer Diablo are the only sitting arbs that aren't running again. There are 3 non-admins (one of which is former), 3 users with CU/OS that aren't currently sitting (2 of which are involved with ArbCom already, one who is a former arb), and one crat that isn't sitting in the running.

Interesting.

Panyd is nice but I don't think she's stable enough for ArbCom...

I was under the impression that DeltaQuad was a child.

I'm expecting Courcelles to be a shoo-in. Risker, Roger, Coren all have good chances as incumbents.

[carbuncle]

Interesting.

Panyd is nice but I don't think she's stable enough for ArbCom...

I was under the impression that DeltaQuad was a child.

DeltaQuad is young, but likely over 18. Gratuitous outing link number one & number two.

[Ottava]

Here are those I wont mind seeing get in (in alphabetical order):

Hersfold, Panyd, and SilkTork

I think the rest are a crap shoot.

[that one guy]

I agree with the thoughts on Panyd.

DQ has his moments it seems, but of the three non-admins he has the best shot. Though when it comes to arbcom, you need to be an admin according to the voters.

Maxim probably has the best shot if you ask me of the non-functionaries.

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[mbz1]

I wonder what are the reasons people are running for govcom.
I mean it takes tremendous amount of time to be a member of govcom.

So people are running for gogcom because:

1. They want more power.
2. They hope to be offered a job with WMF.
3. They like to be in a middle of every wikipedia drama.
4. They hope to have some paid travel and dining.
5. They are genuinely interested in helping users to resolve disputes.
6. They want their names written in wikipedia history in the golden letters.
Any more choices?

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[SB_Johnny]

I wonder what are the reasons people are running for govcom.

I wonder why this whole thread isn't in the annex. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/dry.gif)

[mbz1]

I wonder what are the reasons people are running for govcom.

I wonder why this whole thread isn't in the annex. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/dry.gif)

This is an easy one.
This whole thread is not in the annex because WR has another place for such threads:
The Wikipedia Review > Wikimedia Discussion > Bureaucracy > ArbCom Elections (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/biggrin.gif)

[SB_Johnny]

I wonder what are the reasons people are running for govcom.

I wonder why this whole thread isn't in the annex. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/dry.gif)

This is an easy one.
This whole thread is not in the annex because WR has another place for such threads:
The Wikipedia Review > Wikimedia Discussion > Bureaucracy > ArbCom Elections (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/biggrin.gif)

I see. well, maybe the whole forum then.

[A Horse With No Name]

Final list:
1 AGK (CU/OS, AUSC Member)
2 Coren (i)
3 Courcelles (CU/OS, AUSC Member)
4 DeltaQuad (Former Admin)
5 Eluchil404
6 Geni
7 Hersfold (CU/OS, Former Arb)
8 Hot Stop (Non-Admin)
9 Jclemens (i)
10 Kirill Lokshin (i)
11 Kww
12 Maxim (Crat)
13 NWA.Rep (Non-Admin)
14 Panyd
15 Risker (i)
16 Roger Davies (i)
17 SilkTork
18 Worm That Turned

Does "(i)" stand for "idiot"? (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/blink.gif)

I think that Panyd is opening herself up for a lot of health-crushing grief - not only for her own medical problems, but because Lord Nelson is also an Arb and there will be accusations of tag-team voting. I am sort of surprised to see her on the list.

Roger Davies is a plagiarist and Risker is Wikipedia's answer to Betty White (except that she's not funny). Coren is a great role model for kids. The others are interchangeable.

Cool Hand Luke, John Vandenberg, and Mailer Diablo are the only sitting arbs that aren't running again.

Now that's good news!

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[Ottava]

Anyone see this= "Hersfold... Former arb. Resigning early on when he knew he wouldn't be of help showed he had clue."

From Wizardman. Ouch. Wizardman was the guy who approved over 20 Good Article Nominations on Simpson articles that clearly plagiarized from the Simpson's Wiki, and, when this was pointed out, shrugged and said it wasn't important. This was in addition to having some of his own issues with just copying and pasting language on his own articles in addition to having all sorts of strange problems regarding his decisions on matters.

Of course, the insult is deemed appropriate and not incivil because Wizardman is part of the group, right?

It is rather interesting how he attacks Coren and Jclemens, former allies of his. His support of Kirill and Risker are obvious, because there was a connection there. His support of AGK and Courcelles is a little odd (tons of problems have been pointed out about those two, especially with Courcelles "obvious restart account" status).

But yeah, from what other Arbs have told me, Wizardman was one of the defenders of Moreschi, even though Wizardman had proof that Moreschi was emailing people my personal information all around and other things to harass me. Wonderful stuff. This was while he was telling me on IRC that he was going to deal with Moreschi and make sure he would stop.

[Michaeldsuarez]

Does "(i)" stand for "idiot"? (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/blink.gif)

It stands for incumbent.

[SB_Johnny]

Does "(i)" stand for "idiot"? (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/blink.gif)

It stands for incumbent.

Same difference, perhaps. Clearly one of you two is also an idiot... should we start a poll on that? (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/rolleyes.gif)

[radek]

Banned still means banned.

(what an awful phrase).

Anyway. I see two people on there I can support, Kirill and this NWA.Rep fellah. Two other neutrals. Other than that it's a straight up Oppose at this point.

On Panyd, she does seem like a very nice person and yeah, the main concern is whether she should really be subjected to the ArbCom. But I guess that by putting her name in there she's saying she wants it. I dunno.

Hersfold, whatever else is there, says that he left because he got busy being an residential assistant at his college but he won't do that again because he's now got a real job. How in the world does that make sense? If you didn't have time to goof off in college, you shouldn't have time to goof off with a real job.

Maxim seems alright. He's one of the neutrals right now, still thinking about it and will have to look more into him.

It is a totally bland list. For like ten minutes there I thought about throwing in my name, making a crazy statement (I have lots of advice I can offer ArbCom on how to handle leaked seekret mailing lists!), then withdrawing ten minutes before voting commences. Then I decided I didn't want the attention.

Edit: Ugh, after reading Kwww's statement and responses a bit more carefully I might "strategically vote" support for a few others just to make sure he doesn't get on there.

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[Peter Damian]

How charming. They've got FIVE of their most disgusting patrollers -- AGK, Courcelles, DeltaQuad,
Geni, Hersfold -- running for Arbcom. Plus four people who do nothing but use Wikipedia as a
private Facebook. The remainder are gnomes who use bots to mess with formatting (SilkTork included).
Very few of the candidates have actually written and finished any articles.

It's broken, the whole thing is fucked. That's all I can say.

I've made this page of the very secret wiki public. http://www.logicmuseum.com/x/index.php?tit...diting_patterns

There is an explanation of the table, but for starters, try sorting by 'A total', ascending order which shows how many of the editor's last 5,000 odd edits were in article space. You will recognise a few names there.

It is also interesting to sort descending by 'U total' (gasbags) or 'W total' (machiavellians).

'A max' is a measure of 'focused editing'. The higher the number, the more the editor is likely to be a 'content creator'. The lower, the more they perform mindless and repetitive tasks of the sort that equates to unskilled labour in the real world.

[radek]

How charming. They've got FIVE of their most disgusting patrollers -- AGK, Courcelles, DeltaQuad,
Geni, Hersfold -- running for Arbcom. Plus four people who do nothing but use Wikipedia as a
private Facebook. The remainder are gnomes who use bots to mess with formatting (SilkTork included).
Very few of the candidates have actually written and finished any articles.

It's broken, the whole thing is fucked. That's all I can say.

I've made this page of the very secret wiki public. http://www.logicmuseum.com/x/index.php?tit...diting_patterns

There is an explanation of the table, but for starters, try sorting by 'A total', ascending order which shows how many of the editor's last 5,000 odd edits were in article space. You will recognise a few names there.

It is also interesting to sort descending by 'U total' (gasbags) or 'W total' (machiavellians).

'A max' is a measure of 'focused editing'. The higher the number, the more the editor is likely to be a 'content creator'. The lower, the more they perform mindless and repetitive tasks of the sort that equates to unskilled labour in the real world.

Can we get these numbers for the other candidates who didn't make the original list? Also, I think just taking soxred % and multiplying should give you something close (though that's total edits, not last 5000). I tried it for Hersfold and Geni and it comes out pretty close though not exactly the same.

[Peter Damian]

How charming. They've got FIVE of their most disgusting patrollers -- AGK, Courcelles, DeltaQuad,
Geni, Hersfold -- running for Arbcom. Plus four people who do nothing but use Wikipedia as a
private Facebook. The remainder are gnomes who use bots to mess with formatting (SilkTork included).
Very few of the candidates have actually written and finished any articles.

It's broken, the whole thing is fucked. That's all I can say.

I've made this page of the very secret wiki public. http://www.logicmuseum.com/x/index.php?tit...diting_patterns

There is an explanation of the table, but for starters, try sorting by 'A total', ascending order which shows how many of the editor's last 5,000 odd edits were in article space. You will recognise a few names there.

It is also interesting to sort descending by 'U total' (gasbags) or 'W total' (machiavellians).

'A max' is a measure of 'focused editing'. The higher the number, the more the editor is likely to be a 'content creator'. The lower, the more they perform mindless and repetitive tasks of the sort that equates to unskilled labour in the real world.

Can we get these numbers for the other candidates who didn't make the original list? Also, I think just taking soxred % and multiplying should give you something close (though that's total edits, not last 5000). I tried it for Hersfold and Geni and it comes out pretty close though not exactly the same.

It will have to wait until end of the week, as I am off on a jolly jaunt until then. But, yes.

[A Horse With No Name]

Same difference, perhaps. Clearly one of you two is also an idiot... should we start a poll on that? (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/rolleyes.gif)

Speaking of polls, did Piotrus ever get his adminship back? (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/ermm.gif)

[that one guy]

Same difference, perhaps. Clearly one of you two is also an idiot... should we start a poll on that? (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/rolleyes.gif)

Speaking of polls, did Piotrus ever get his adminship back? (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/ermm.gif)

Doesn't look like it.

[EricBarbour]

I was under the impression that DeltaQuad was a child.

DeltaQuad is young, but likely over 18. Gratuitous outing link number one & number two.

Qualification
Work Experience

Employee - McDonalds
Volunteer - Administrator and Support Teams - Wikimedia Foundation

(IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/laugh.gif)

[radek]

Same difference, perhaps. Clearly one of you two is also an idiot... should we start a poll on that? (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/rolleyes.gif)

Speaking of polls, did Piotrus ever get his adminship back? (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/ermm.gif)

Nah, he didn't try. And honestly, I'm not sure it matters that much. He should've run for ArbCom though.

[thekohser]

I was under the impression that DeltaQuad was a child.

DeltaQuad is young, but likely over 18. Gratuitous outing link number one & number two.

Qualification
Work Experience

Employee - McDonalds
Volunteer - Administrator and Support Teams - Wikimedia Foundation

(IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/laugh.gif)

Would you like fries with your smotherbox?


It's really too sad. I wonder if there's any reason to be concerned that a prolific Wikipedian is trying to work privately, one-on-one with minors who are a few years younger than him? I mean, not that anything bad could happen.

[RMHED]

I was under the impression that DeltaQuad was a child.

DeltaQuad is young, but likely over 18. Gratuitous outing link number one & number two.

Qualification
Work Experience

Employee - McDonalds
Volunteer - Administrator and Support Teams - Wikimedia Foundation

(IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/laugh.gif)

Would you like fries with your smotherbox?


It's really too sad. I wonder if there's any reason to be concerned that a prolific Wikipedian is trying to work privately, one-on-one with minors who are a few years younger than him? I mean, not that anything bad could happen.

Harsh Greg, harsh.

You middle aged grouch.

[SB_Johnny]

I was under the impression that DeltaQuad was a child.

DeltaQuad is young, but likely over 18. Gratuitous outing link number one & number two.

Qualification
Work Experience

Employee - McDonalds
Volunteer - Administrator and Support Teams - Wikimedia Foundation

(IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/laugh.gif)

Good lord. I thought you were kidding before seeing that link. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/jawdrop.gif)

[EricBarbour]

Good lord. I thought you were kidding before seeing that link. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/jawdrop.gif)

Well, you can always go to the questions page and ask the little twit if flipping frozen burgers and
pushing buttons on a microwave oven qualifies him to administrate an "encyclopedia".

Isn't it obvious by now that Jimbo Wales is a troll? Would he put DeltaQuad in charge of a jetliner,
or an oil tanker?

[Michaeldsuarez]

Maxim probably has the best shot if you ask me of the non-functionaries.

Maxim seems alright. He's one of the neutrals right now, still thinking about it and will have to look more into him.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=462034412

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=462023275

Maxim has decided to withdraw his or her candidacy.

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[radek]

Maxim probably has the best shot if you ask me of the non-functionaries.

Maxim seems alright. He's one of the neutrals right now, still thinking about it and will have to look more into him.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=462034412

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=462023275

Maxim has decided to withdraw his or her candidacy.

The death slide continues...

[mbz1]

I was under the impression that DeltaQuad was a child.

DeltaQuad is young, but likely over 18. Gratuitous outing link number one & number two.

Qualification
Work Experience

Employee - McDonalds
Volunteer - Administrator and Support Teams - Wikimedia Foundation

(IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/laugh.gif)

Good lord. I thought you were kidding before seeing that link. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/jawdrop.gif)

I cannot understand if he is an admin, or he is not.I mean this box at his user page
In any case it is going to be hard on him: work, uni, private lessons + govcom

[EricBarbour]

Better yet, he went to WebCite and had them pull that second link down......

This URL has been archived internally and can be made available for scholars on request, but we cannot make it accessible on the web, because the copyright holder (Aaron Passley, passleya@gmail.com) has asked us not to display the material. If you have concerns about this individual not being the copyright holder, or if you require access to the material in our dark archive for scholarly or legal purposes, please contact us.

"Copyright holder". He's learning the tricks. Ha ha ha ha. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/angry.gif)

[SB_Johnny]

Better yet, he went to WebCite and had them pull that second link down......

This URL has been archived internally and can be made available for scholars on request, but we cannot make it accessible on the web, because the copyright holder (Aaron Passley, passleya@gmail.com) has asked us not to display the material. If you have concerns about this individual not being the copyright holder, or if you require access to the material in our dark archive for scholarly or legal purposes, please contact us.

"Copyright holder". He's learning the tricks. Ha ha ha ha. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/angry.gif)

You want fries with those tricks? (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/laugh.gif)

[thekohser]

Better yet, he went to WebCite and had them pull that second link down......

This URL has been archived internally and can be made available for scholars on request, but we cannot make it accessible on the web, because the copyright holder (Aaron Passley, passleya@gmail.com) has asked us not to display the material. If you have concerns about this individual not being the copyright holder, or if you require access to the material in our dark archive for scholarly or legal purposes, please contact us.

"Copyright holder". He's learning the tricks. Ha ha ha ha. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/angry.gif)

That might be my next Examiner story.

[radek]

Better yet, he went to WebCite and had them pull that second link down......

This URL has been archived internally and can be made available for scholars on request, but we cannot make it accessible on the web, because the copyright holder (Aaron Passley, passleya@gmail.com) has asked us not to display the material. If you have concerns about this individual not being the copyright holder, or if you require access to the material in our dark archive for scholarly or legal purposes, please contact us.

"Copyright holder". He's learning the tricks. Ha ha ha ha. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/angry.gif)

That might be my next Examiner story.

Quick question - has there ever been an ArbCom case that revolved around copyright violations?

[radek]

What a crappy bunch of candidates. I can only hope someone comes forward to shake shit up.

NWA! Now that's what I'm talking about

He does talk a good game.

(Replying to myself)

NWA was a subject of a previous WR thread. I'm still thinking of voting support for shitzngiggles and really, he can't be worse than 90% of the other candidates. At least he's likely to lighten the place up.

[opinionated spectator]

What a crappy bunch of candidates. I can only hope someone comes forward to shake shit up.

NWA! Now that's what I'm talking about

He does talk a good game.

(Replying to myself)

NWA was a subject of a previous WR thread. I'm still thinking of voting support for shitzngiggles and really, he can't be worse than 90% of the other candidates. At least he's likely to lighten the place up.

I concur. On the one hand, he has a history of controversy. However, he does stand for change. I think he is a breath of fresh air that this place needs, especially given his history of confrontation against admins. This guy has balls. I also happen to think Worm that Turned, Kirill Lokshin, and Eluchil are great candidates.

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[carbuncle]

Better yet, he went to WebCite and had them pull that second link down......

This URL has been archived internally and can be made available for scholars on request, but we cannot make it accessible on the web, because the copyright holder (Aaron Passley, passleya@gmail.com) has asked us not to display the material. If you have concerns about this individual not being the copyright holder, or if you require access to the material in our dark archive for scholarly or legal purposes, please contact us.

"Copyright holder". He's learning the tricks. Ha ha ha ha. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/angry.gif)

That might be my next Examiner story.

I doubt that would be warmly welcomed. Young DeltaQuad appears to want to keep his "public identity", um, private:

e) If your real identity is not already widely known, do you intend to publicly identify yourself if elected?

There have been several arbitrators who do not disclose their external identity and I will be following in their footsteps, not to further identify my public identity. -- DQ (t) (e) 09:01, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

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[SB_Johnny]

Better yet, he went to WebCite and had them pull that second link down......

This URL has been archived internally and can be made available for scholars on request, but we cannot make it accessible on the web, because the copyright holder (Aaron Passley, passleya@gmail.com) has asked us not to display the material. If you have concerns about this individual not being the copyright holder, or if you require access to the material in our dark archive for scholarly or legal purposes, please contact us.

"Copyright holder". He's learning the tricks. Ha ha ha ha. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/angry.gif)

That might be my next Examiner story.

I doubt that would be warmly welcomed. Young DeltaQuad appears to want to keep his "public identity", um, private:

e) If your real identity is not already widely known, do you intend to publicly identify yourself if elected?

There have been several arbitrators who do not disclose their external identity and I will be following in their footsteps, not to further identify my public identity. -- DQ (t) (e) 09:01, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

So presumably he won't be adding "arbcom member" to his resume? (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/tongue.gif)

On a side note, I wonder whether employers would see WP stuff on a resume as a positive or a negative.

[A Horse With No Name]

Quick question - has there ever been an ArbCom case that revolved around copyright violations?

Well, ruling arbitrator and election candidate Roger Davies seems to have a cavalier attitude towards copyrights. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/ermm.gif)

On a side note, I wonder whether employers would see WP stuff on a resume as a positive or a negative.

They would see at as filler, along the lines of a high school chess club. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/wacko.gif)

[~DC]

I concur. On the one hand, he has a history of controversy. However, he does stand for change. I think he is a breath of fresh air that this place needs, especially given his history of confrontation against admins. This guy has balls. I also happen to think Worm that Turned, Kirill Lokshin, and Eluchil are great candidates.

Out of curiosity, are you looking for change? If so I wouldn't go with Kirill since he's been on the committee for an eternity.


If I weren't blocked I'd go with Hot Twat.

[opinionated spectator]

I concur. On the one hand, he has a history of controversy. However, he does stand for change. I think he is a breath of fresh air that this place needs, especially given his history of confrontation against admins. This guy has balls. I also happen to think Worm that Turned, Kirill Lokshin, and Eluchil are great candidates.

Out of curiosity, are you looking for change? If so I wouldn't go with Kirill since he's been on the committee for an eternity.


If I weren't blocked I'd go with Hot Twat.

I consider Newyorkbrad and Kirill to be two of the better arbs.

[~DC]

I concur. On the one hand, he has a history of controversy. However, he does stand for change. I think he is a breath of fresh air that this place needs, especially given his history of confrontation against admins. This guy has balls. I also happen to think Worm that Turned, Kirill Lokshin, and Eluchil are great candidates.

Out of curiosity, are you looking for change? If so I wouldn't go with Kirill since he's been on the committee for an eternity.


If I weren't blocked I'd go with Hot Twat.

I consider Newyorkbrad and Kirill to be two of the better arbs.

I agree, I like those two a lot. It just seemed out that you'd support someone <i>and</i> the longest serving member in history.

[Kevin]

Reading this sorry looking list I think the voting scale needs to be rejigged, from perhaps 'meh' to 'dear God no'.

[Peter Damian]

As promised earlier here is the editing table updated with the new candidates. http://www.logicmuseum.com/x/index.php?tit...diting_patterns


Its primary sort order is by ‘A max’, which indicates how ‘focused’ an editor is. A high number signifies focus on one particular page. This correlates highly with content creators. A low number suggests highly repetitive ‘gnome’ work.

Keep in mind that the sampling was the last 5,000 edits (or all edits, whichever is lower). This may have unfairly disadvantaged editors like Courcelles, who has 5,000 edits this month alone, and more than 100,000 since inception. But then you have to ask why someone is making 5,000 edits a month.

In descending order of usefulness:

Panyd

Scores 187 on focus, which is high for the group, but actually this is for Template talk:Did you know (templates count as article work). The first article we come to is 50 Berkeley Square ‎which is only 15 edits. Suggests a ‘gnome’

NWA.Rep

Has only 4,000 edits. Focus score is 98, for Culture of Taiwan, followed by 92 for List of Chinese Americans. There should be a weighting factor for any list article, perhaps even a negative weight, but I haven’t implemented this.

Eluchil404

Focus score 68 for Skandar Keynes.

Worm That Turned

Focus 65 for ‘Pasty’, followed by 26 for ‘BLT’, an article about a sandwich.

SilkTork

Scores 64 for Eastbourne.

Kww

Focus 58 for Selena Gomez & the Scene discography. Most of his article edits are related to Selena Gomez (who she?).

Jclemens

Focus 49 for the talk page of Talk:Family Research Council.

Roger Davies

28 for Jonathan Sumption. A low value which may not reflect earlier content work – remember this test looks only at the last 5,000 edits.

Hot Stop

Focus 28 for George Godsey (football coach). Only 900 edits available.

DeltaQuad

Focus of 8 for Template:Proxycheckstatus. This low number puts DQ in the good company of Hersfold and Courcelles. Only 973 edits to articles, the balance being 1691 for user space, 2335 for Wikipedia space. Top edited page in Wikipedia space was “Wikipedia:Requests for page protection”. Also very involved in sockpuppet investigation.

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[EricBarbour]

Kww

Focus 58 for Selena Gomez & the Scene discography. Most of his article edits are related to Selena Gomez (who she?).

Selena Gomez (T-H-L-K-D) is a teenaged Disney princess/actress/singer thing.
And Kww is a middle-aged man, making his obsession with her very, very disturbing.

This is another component of Wikipedia's popularity--it serves as a place where creepy celebrity
stalkers can write obsessive essays about their target personality. Anonymously.

That's a great chart, the Wiki-Sillies could easily make a similar rating system for admins to
help decide who should be given more power. But that will never happen.

Wargaming is far more important than knowledge.

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[opinionated spectator]

Kww

Focus 58 for Selena Gomez & the Scene discography. Most of his article edits are related to Selena Gomez (who she?).

Selena Gomez (T-H-L-K-D) is a teenaged Disney princess/actress/singer thing.
And Kww is a middle-aged man, making his obsession with her very, very disturbing.

This is another component of Wikipedia's popularity--it serves as a place where creepy celebrity
stalkers can write obsessive essays about their target personality. Anonymously.

That's a great chart, the Wiki-Sillies could easily make a similar rating system for admins to
help decide who should be given more power. But that will never happen.

Wargaming is far more important than knowledge.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arb...ns_from_NWA.Rep
This just in. It appears NWA is insinuating something about Kww due to his disturbing obsession with Gomez. Any idea what "recent event in the news" he is talking about?

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[radek]

After thinking a whole bunch about it, here's my voter guide. I eschewed the jokes (I can't even joke about this stuff anymore) in favor of simplicity this year.

[thekohser]

Any idea what "recent event in the news" he is talking about?

Almost certainly this.

[radek]

I was gonna make a "what if only voter guide writers voted" list but Monty845 beat me to it.

IF the voter guide voters are representative of ArbCom election voters (who are themselves probably not representative of Wikipedia as a whole) then we'll get

Courcelles, Risker, Hersfold, SilkTork, AGK, Kirill Lokshin, Worm That Turned, Roger Davies

elected (assuming they chose 8 rather than 7).

Which is a ... "who cares".

But it's also interesting to see - assuming that these people really do get elected - which one of the voter guide writers is the "most" and "least" representative.

The most representative would be HJ Mitchell and Nuclear Warfare, with Sandy Georgia not to far behind.

The least representative would WMC, though that's mostly because like me, he's gonna pretty much vote a straight "Oppose" ticket (though he didn't have the cojones to go all the way with it). Other than that this fellah Hurrican25fan seems a bit contrary. Someone should ban him before it's too late.

[~DC]

Christ, Sandy Georgia is an annoying lil twat. I remember last year, she bitched and moaned about the candidates. Now more of the same this year. If she thinks she's so great, she should run. I'd love to see her arrogance disappear after she lost to NWA.

[opinionated spectator]

Christ, Sandy Georgia is an annoying lil twat. I remember last year, she bitched and moaned about the candidates. Now more of the same this year. If she thinks she's so great, she should run. I'd love to see her arrogance disappear after she lost to NWA.

I'm not familiar with her. Who do you think will finish last? My money is on the 2 non-admins: NWA and Hot Stop.

[~DC]

Christ, Sandy Georgia is an annoying lil twat. I remember last year, she bitched and moaned about the candidates. Now more of the same this year. If she thinks she's so great, she should run. I'd love to see her arrogance disappear after she lost to NWA.

Basically, she's mostly involved with article reviewing, but every election she bitches about every candidate that isn't in her small circle of buddies. Here's some stuff on the talk page where she rails against the candidates.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:San...#Election_guide

I'm not familiar with her. Who do you think will finish last? My money is on the 2 non-admins: NWA and Hot Stop.

I'd expect Geni to give them a run for their money.

[Peter Damian]

I'd expect Geni to give them a run for their money.

You mean the two non-admins?

[~DC]

I'd expect Geni to give them a run for their money.

You mean the two non-admins?

Correct. I can't imagine many people supporting a defrocked admin.

[SB_Johnny]

On a side note, I wonder whether employers would see WP stuff on a resume as a positive or a negative.

They would see at as filler, along the lines of a high school chess club. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/wacko.gif)

Bummer. Here I was hoping my many wasted hours on WV might have been leveraged to land me a nice cushy job as a kindergarten teacher in some fancy inner-city public school. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/unhappy.gif)

I'd expect Geni to give them a run for their money.

You mean the two non-admins?

Correct. I can't imagine many people supporting a defrocked admin.

Unless, of course, they were hot babes who uploaded pics of themselves being defrocked. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/evilgrin.gif)

[A Horse With No Name]

Unless, of course, they were hot babes who uploaded pics of themselves being defrocked. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/evilgrin.gif)

Did you get a transfusion of my blood by mistake? (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/blink.gif)

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[SB_Johnny]

Unless, of course, they were hot babes who uploaded pics of themselves being defrocked. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/evilgrin.gif)

Did you get a transfusion of my blood by mistake? (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/blink.gif)

Nay. Why do you ask?

[A Horse With No Name]

Unless, of course, they were hot babes who uploaded pics of themselves being defrocked. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/evilgrin.gif)

Did you get a transfusion of my blood by mistake? (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/blink.gif)

Nay. Why do you ask?

Well, that last answer sounds more like me than you. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/ermm.gif)

Which leads to the next question: are any of the Arbcom candidates hot babes? (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/evilgrin.gif)

[EricBarbour]

Which leads to the next question: are any of the Arbcom candidates hot babes? (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/evilgrin.gif)

No.

[opinionated spectator]

Unless, of course, they were hot babes who uploaded pics of themselves being defrocked. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/evilgrin.gif)

Did you get a transfusion of my blood by mistake? (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/blink.gif)

Nay. Why do you ask?

Well, that last answer sounds more like me than you. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/ermm.gif)

Which leads to the next question: are any of the Arbcom candidates hot babes? (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/evilgrin.gif)

Are any of Wikipedians hot babes?

[melloden]

Unless, of course, they were hot babes who uploaded pics of themselves being defrocked. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/evilgrin.gif)

Did you get a transfusion of my blood by mistake? (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/blink.gif)

Nay. Why do you ask?

Well, that last answer sounds more like me than you. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/ermm.gif)

Which leads to the next question: are any of the Arbcom candidates hot babes? (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/evilgrin.gif)

Are any of Wikipedians hot babes?

I think there's one or two.

Nah, maybe one, about twenty years ago.

[A Horse With No Name]

Which leads to the next question: are any of the Arbcom candidates hot babes? (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/evilgrin.gif)

No.

Yikes! Someone stuff that Geni back in the bottle! (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/wacko.gif)

[that one guy]

Of course, WMC opposes anyone who decided to go against him in the cases he was involved in, including the clerks. Bitter much?

[Michaeldsuarez]

I was gonna make a "what if only voter guide writers voted" list but Monty845 beat me to it.

IF the voter guide voters are representative of ArbCom election voters (who are themselves probably not representative of Wikipedia as a whole) then we'll get

Courcelles, Risker, Hersfold, SilkTork, AGK, Kirill Lokshin, Worm That Turned, Roger Davies

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_tal.../Candidates/Kww

I'm getting the feeling that Kww is going to have a better chance at obtaining a seat than what Monty845 is predicting.

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[that one guy]

I was gonna make a "what if only voter guide writers voted" list but Monty845 beat me to it.

IF the voter guide voters are representative of ArbCom election voters (who are themselves probably not representative of Wikipedia as a whole) then we'll get

Courcelles, Risker, Hersfold, SilkTork, AGK, Kirill Lokshin, Worm That Turned, Roger Davies

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_tal.../Candidates/Kww

I'm getting the feeling that Kww is going to have a better chance at obtaining a seat than what's Monty845 is predicting.

Ugh please no. The fact that he's power hungry is bleh (as I said before, went for CU access [not sure about OS looking back]) and now wants on ArbCom which is basically "you get CU for free" in a sense. Granted you could argue all the candidates are power hungry but he stands out above the others and in a bad way.

If he does get elected hopefully he'll be given the 1 years spot left open.

[radek]

I was gonna make a "what if only voter guide writers voted" list but Monty845 beat me to it.

IF the voter guide voters are representative of ArbCom election voters (who are themselves probably not representative of Wikipedia as a whole) then we'll get

Courcelles, Risker, Hersfold, SilkTork, AGK, Kirill Lokshin, Worm That Turned, Roger Davies

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_tal.../Candidates/Kww

I'm getting the feeling that Kww is going to have a better chance at obtaining a seat than what Monty845 is predicting.

Along with Geni he's one of the "anyone but these guys" candidates. His replies to the questiosn pretty much show him to be both a bully and an ass-kisser. That may be redundant, actually, but anyway...

[opinionated spectator]

I was gonna make a "what if only voter guide writers voted" list but Monty845 beat me to it.

IF the voter guide voters are representative of ArbCom election voters (who are themselves probably not representative of Wikipedia as a whole) then we'll get

Courcelles, Risker, Hersfold, SilkTork, AGK, Kirill Lokshin, Worm That Turned, Roger Davies

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_tal.../Candidates/Kww

I'm getting the feeling that Kww is going to have a better chance at obtaining a seat than what Monty845 is predicting.

Along with Geni he's one of the "anyone but these guys" candidates. His replies to the questiosn pretty much show him to be both a bully and an ass-kisser. That may be redundant, actually, but anyway...

Are we really that desperate? I would rather vote for Hot Stop than Kww.

[The Joy]

I voted oppose on all of them. I wonder what would happen if others followed my lead?

[opinionated spectator]

I voted oppose on all of them. I wonder what would happen if others followed my lead?

I voted support for Kirill, AGK, NWA, and Hot Stop.

[Michaeldsuarez]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_tal.../Candidates/Kww

I'm getting the feeling that Kww is going to have a better chance at obtaining a seat than what Monty845 is predicting.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=462903778

Hopefully, not all of Wikipedia's voters will be this guy.

[everyking]

I will only vote for candidates who pledge transparency--who promise to conduct their deliberations out in the open. I only see one candidate (AGK) who has something to that effect in his statement. Have any other candidates made a similar pledge? Or would they like to do so now? I will vote against all candidates who haven't pledged transparency, and I urge everyone else to do likewise.

[melloden]

I will only vote for candidates who pledge transparency--who promise to conduct their deliberations out in the open. I only see one candidate (AGK) who has something to that effect in his statement. Have any other candidates made a similar pledge? Or would they like to do so now? I will vote against all candidates who haven't pledged transparency, and I urge everyone else to do likewise.

Transparency + Arbcom = LOGIC ERROR

[that one guy]

I will only vote for candidates who pledge transparency--who promise to conduct their deliberations out in the open. I only see one candidate (AGK) who has something to that effect in his statement. Have any other candidates made a similar pledge? Or would they like to do so now? I will vote against all candidates who haven't pledged transparency, and I urge everyone else to do likewise.

Transparency + Arbcom = LOGIC ERROR

I wonder what would happen if the community decided to force arbcom to be transparent.

If that's even possible anyway

[Kelly Martin]

I wonder what would happen if the community decided to force arbcom to be transparent.

The only way for that to happen would be if all the administrators agreed to ignore ArbCom, or if all the editors decided to quit editing. What are the odds of either of those things happening?

[radek]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_tal.../Candidates/Kww

I'm getting the feeling that Kww is going to have a better chance at obtaining a seat than what Monty845 is predicting.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=462903778

Hopefully, not all of Wikipedia's voters will be this guy.

I think you have an extra word in that sentence.

[Michaeldsuarez]

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=462903778

Hopefully, not all of Wikipedia's voters will be this guy.

I think you have an extra word in that sentence.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=462903778

All of Wikipedia's voters will be this guy.

Fixed ;) (although I removed two words instead of one).

[that one guy]

I don't think I've seen as big of a backlash against a sitting arb as there has been for Coren in the guides. Too bad votes aren't public anymore so we can't see who's going which way.

[RMHED]

Well, I've cast my vote, oh the excitement!

Democracy is such a disappointment, it's like a beautifully wrapped gift that turns out to be an empty box.

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[Sololol]

Well, I've cast my vote, oh the excitement!

Democracy is such a disappointment, it's like a beautifully wrapped gift that turns out to be an empty box.

"Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard." H.L. Mencken

These elections always deliver (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/smile.gif)

[RMHED]

Well, I've cast my vote, oh the excitement!

Democracy is such a disappointment, it's like a beautifully wrapped gift that turns out to be an empty box.

"Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard." H.L. Mencken

These elections always deliver (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/smile.gif)

Well I've now voted five times in total, all using different computers and a variety of ISP's.

I do love democracy, it's so democratic.

[Michaeldsuarez]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Mis...on/User:NWA.Rep

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...r=2011&month=12

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...r=2011&month=12

I see that the Wikipedians are giving candidate NWA.Rep a tough time. Seeing NWA.Rep's recent contributions, it appears as if they're frustrating him to the point where he might retire from editing again.

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[opinionated spectator]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Mis...on/User:NWA.Rep

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...r=2011&month=12

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...r=2011&month=12

I see that the Wikipedians are giving candidate NWA.Rep a tough time. Seeing NWA.Rep's recent contributions, it appears as if they're frustrating him to the point where he might retire from editing again.

It is really a pity. He is the Ron Paul of Wikipedia. His viewpoints resonate with Wikipedians who only casually edit the encyclopedia, but the establishment do not want someone to challenge them. Many of the Wikipedians who are stirring up trouble about his userpage this time apparently are the same ones who urge the community to vote against him on their candidate guides.

I think the Wikipedians are clearly baiting him to get him blocked during election. They knew from past precedents (not the first time his userpage was nominated for deletion or being edit warred over) how he would react. So they keep poking until they get a reaction out of him. It would be a pity if he retires again.

[mbz1]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Mis...on/User:NWA.Rep

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...r=2011&month=12

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...r=2011&month=12

I see that the Wikipedians are giving candidate NWA.Rep a tough time. Seeing NWA.Rep's recent contributions, it appears as if they're frustrating him to the point where he might retire from editing again.

It is really a pity. He is the Ron Paul of Wikipedia. His viewpoints resonate with Wikipedians who only casually edit the encyclopedia, but the establishment do not want someone to challenge them. Many of the Wikipedians who are stirring up trouble about his userpage this time apparently are the same ones who urge the community to vote against him on their candidate guides.

I think the Wikipedians are clearly baiting him to get him blocked during election. They knew from past precedents (not the first time his userpage was nominated for deletion or being edit warred over) how he would react. So they keep poking until they get a reaction out of him. It would be a pity if he retires again.

I know nothing about NWA.Rep , but I do know Anna Frodesiak. She's one of wikipedia bullies. Once she bullied me to a point that an admin removed her bullying from my talk, and warned her not to re-post it.

[Peter Damian]

I know nothing about NWA.Rep , but I do know Anna Frodesiak. She's one of wikipedia bullies. Once she bullied me to a point that an admin removed her bullying from my talk, and warned her not to re-post it.

Link pls.

[mbz1]

I know nothing about NWA.Rep , but I do know Anna Frodesiak. She's one of wikipedia bullies. Once she bullied me to a point that an admin removed her bullying from my talk, and warned her not to re-post it.

Link pls.

here it is
And now rethinking my post, I believe I should not have said "She's one of wikipedia bullies." This kind of discretion is rather subjective, and might be wrong.

What I probably should have said is this:
"I know nothing about NWA.Rep , but I do know Anna Frodesiak. Her conduct with NWA.Rep reminded to me her conduct with me.I had a very unpleasant experience with her. I felt she bullied me, and at least one admin believed her post at my talk was unhelpful."

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[Maunus]

Well I've now voted five times in total, all using different computers and a variety of ISP's.
I do love democracy, it's so democratic.

You actually think anybody is counting? The house always wins.

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[The Joy]

Well I've now voted five times in total, all using different computers and a variety of ISP's.
I do love democracy, it's so democratic.

You actually think anybody is counting? The house always wins.

(IMG:http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z192/Falcon_Whitaker/DoctorGregoryHouse.jpg)

In order to save the patient, Wikipedia..., we must destroy it.

Vote House for ArbCom!

[Michaeldsuarez]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Mis...on/User:NWA.Rep

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...r=2011&month=12

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...r=2011&month=12

I see that the Wikipedians are giving candidate NWA.Rep a tough time. Seeing NWA.Rep's recent contributions, it appears as if they're frustrating him to the point where he might retire from editing again.

NWA.Rep's user page has been deleted, and to add insult to injury, there's now a sockpuppetry investigation:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Soc...gations/NWA.Rep

This guy doesn't get a break.

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[that one guy]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Mis...on/User:NWA.Rep

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...r=2011&month=12

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...r=2011&month=12

I see that the Wikipedians are giving candidate NWA.Rep a tough time. Seeing NWA.Rep's recent contributions, it appears as if they're frustrating him to the point where he might retire from editing again.

NWA.Rep's user page has been deleted, and to add insult to injury, there's now a sockpuppetry investigation:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Soc...gations/NWA.Rep

This guy doesn't get a break.

Don't wikistalk... unless you're convinced the editor is up to no good, then it's ok eh?

[opinionated spectator]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Mis...on/User:NWA.Rep

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...r=2011&month=12

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...r=2011&month=12

I see that the Wikipedians are giving candidate NWA.Rep a tough time. Seeing NWA.Rep's recent contributions, it appears as if they're frustrating him to the point where he might retire from editing again.

NWA.Rep's user page has been deleted, and to add insult to injury, there's now a sockpuppetry investigation:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Soc...gations/NWA.Rep

This guy doesn't get a break.

Don't wikistalk... unless you're convinced the editor is up to no good, then it's ok eh?

It is very sad that he gets treated like this just for running for ArbCom. It is very clear that those people are not his sockpuppets. Sky Divine is actually on the other end of the Taiwan-China political spectrum (NWA is pro-Taiwan, Sky Divine is in the pro-China camp). Sky most likely copied NWA's page format to attack him. In fact, there are documented disputes between the two on Sky's talkpage. The latest frivolous sockpuppetry (more or less a harassment campaign) actually lend credence to NWA's previous argument that the "voter guide writers" are out there to get him. I also question NWA's current state of mind. He seems to be on the verge of losing it.

[~DC]

I wonder what's taking so long. My bet: someone Jimbo doesn't like got elected.

[Cla68]

I wonder what's taking so long. My bet: someone Jimbo doesn't like got elected.

Or else the guys who are supposed to be checking the votes keep getting sidetracked by real world concerns. As Wikipedia gets more time-consuming to administer, it gets harder to find anyone, and I fall into this also, who have sufficient free time to complete a project in Wikipedia within a short amount of time.

[Ottava]

I wonder what's taking so long. My bet: someone Jimbo doesn't like got elected.

Or else the guys who are supposed to be checking the votes keep getting sidetracked by real world concerns. As Wikipedia gets more time-consuming to administer, it gets harder to find anyone, and I fall into this also, who have sufficient free time to complete a project in Wikipedia within a short amount of time.

I think they are just hoping Jimbo decides to shut down Wikipedia so they don't even have to worry about an election.

[Michaeldsuarez]

I wonder what's taking so long. My bet: someone Jimbo doesn't like got elected.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=465233359

They're apparently giving some users with suspect votes time to address some concerns.

Perhaps they're waiting for "Someone963852" to be more cooperative:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=465294574

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[Peter Damian]

Perhaps they're waiting for "Someone963852" to be more cooperative:

Thanks for noting that. I see that the Zoophilia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoophilia article is the subject of massive edit war again, between Someone963852 above and another editor called Plateau99 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Plateau99 . The usual old stuff. Someone963852 thinks that Zoophilia is not a sexual orientation and that animals cannot give consent to sex. Plateau99 thinks that Zoosexuals are a persecuted minority, have rights, should not be discriminated against etc etc. We were here 6 years ago. This is absolute proof that Wikipedia will never improve, not even slowly.

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[Malleus]

Perhaps they're waiting for "Someone963852" to be more cooperative:

Thanks for noting that. I see that the Zoophilia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoophilia article is the subject of massive edit war again, between Someone963852 above and another editor called Plateau99 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Plateau99 . The usual old stuff. Someone963852 thinks that Zoophilia is not a sexual orientation and that animals cannot give consent to sex. Plateau99 thinks that Zoosexuals are a persecuted minority, have rights, should not be discriminated against etc etc. We were here 6 years ago. This is absolute proof that Wikipedia will never improve, not even slowly.

Perhaps it only proves that Plateau99 will never improve, not even slowly?

[lonza leggiera]

....

Perhaps they're waiting for "Someone963852" to be more cooperative:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=465294574

If so, perhaps they should read Bencmq's talk page.

[Michaeldsuarez]

Perhaps they're waiting for "Someone963852" to be more cooperative:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=465294574

If so, perhaps they should read Bencmq's talk page.

Whoops. Sorry.

[EricBarbour]

Well, now a whole passel of people are examining Plateau99's history. I expect he will prove to be someone we've seen before. Ho hum. So predictable.

(He's been editing Ophidiophilia. Ick.)

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[Peter Damian]

Well, now a whole passel of people are examining Plateau99's history. I expect he will prove to be someone we've seen before. Ho hum. So predictable.

(He's been editing Ophidiophilia. Ick.)

In my day you got banned for asking questions like that.

Oh and welcome to the 'Worm that Turned' who I see is browsing here. Possibly a future Arbcom member. Welcome to the cesspit.

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[Peter Damian]

Well, now a whole passel of people are examining Plateau99's history. I expect he will prove to be someone we've seen before. Ho hum. So predictable.

(He's been editing Ophidiophilia. Ick.)

In my day you got banned for asking questions like that.

Oh and welcome to the 'Worm that Turned' who I see is browsing here. Possibly a future Arbcom member. Welcome to the cesspit.

Oh my mistake http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:ACE2011 sorry about that. Just bubbling under. Still, just takes one resignation.

so here are the results. No Coren. Geni in the bottom 3. Worm at 59% just below Jclemens.

Courcelles 433 186 110 323 79,74%
Risker 401 199 129 272 75,66%
Kirill Lokshin 372 216 141 231 72,51%
Roger Davies 374 210 145 229 72,06%
Hersfold 347 246 136 211 71,84%
SilkTork 309 293 127 182 70,87%
AGK 342 246 141 101 70,81%
Jclemens 313 212 204 109 60,54%


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[carbuncle]

Well, now a whole passel of people are examining Plateau99's history. I expect he will prove to be someone we've seen before. Ho hum. So predictable.

(He's been editing Ophidiophilia. Ick.)

Ophidiophilia is defined as the sexual attraction to snakes. ... Some ophidiophiles are attracted to snakes on a platonic (non-sexual) level.

That seems almost contradictory...

[SB_Johnny]

Well, now a whole passel of people are examining Plateau99's history. I expect he will prove to be someone we've seen before. Ho hum. So predictable.

(He's been editing Ophidiophilia. Ick.)

Ophidiophilia is defined as the sexual attraction to snakes. ... Some ophidiophiles are attracted to snakes on a platonic (non-sexual) level.

That seems almost contradictory...

You missed the helpful part:

Ophidicism (an act associated with ophidiophilia) is a sexual act in which a woman inserts the tail of a snake or eel in her vagina or anus, and receives pleasure as it wriggles to get free. It can be dangerous in that some reptiles carry salmonella.

So ladies, make sure to pasteurize those snakes before pleasuring yourself with them! (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/rolleyes.gif) (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/sick.gif)

[EricBarbour]

Courcelles 433 186 110 323 79,74%
Risker 401 199 129 272 75,66%
Kirill Lokshin 372 216 141 231 72,51%
Roger Davies 374 210 145 229 72,06%
Hersfold 347 246 136 211 71,84%
SilkTork 309 293 127 182 70,87%
AGK 342 246 141 101 70,81%
Jclemens 313 212 204 109 60,54%

Hmf, the light and frothy shit rises to the top of the septic tank.

Hersfold is a vile creature. Giving him any power is proof positive that Wikipedia is a broken place.

[thekohser]

so here are the results. No Coren. Geni in the bottom 3. Worm at 59% just below Jclemens.

Courcelles 433 186 110 323 79,74%
Risker 401 199 129 272 75,66%
Kirill Lokshin 372 216 141 231 72,51%
Roger Davies 374 210 145 229 72,06%
Hersfold 347 246 136 211 71,84%
SilkTork 309 293 127 182 70,87%
AGK 342 246 141 101 70,81%
Jclemens 313 212 204 109 60,54%

I'm sorry to be so lazy, but could someone quickly and clearly indicate... how many ArbCom seats needed to be filled (or re-filled)? How many of these "winners" will be taking those vacant seats? And, how many of the new appointees have already served on ArbCom?

I'd like to write a brief Examiner post about how the Wikipedia community simply shuns new blood and perpetuates the Old Guard's control. But, I don't care to say that if the evidence is to the contrary.

[EricBarbour]

I'm sorry to be so lazy, but could someone quickly and clearly indicate... how many ArbCom seats needed to be filled (or re-filled)? How many of these "winners" will be taking those vacant seats? And, how many of the new appointees have already served on ArbCom?

For 2012, 7 current arbitrators will remain on the Committee. The Committee will be reduced to 15 members, leaving 8 vacant seats. Seven of the vacant seats will have a two-year term; the eighth seat will have a one-year term.

Courcelles, SilkTork and AGK are new, the rest are being reelected.

[The Joy]

so here are the results. No Coren. Geni in the bottom 3. Worm at 59% just below Jclemens.

Courcelles 433 186 110 323 79,74%
Risker 401 199 129 272 75,66%
Kirill Lokshin 372 216 141 231 72,51%
Roger Davies 374 210 145 229 72,06%
Hersfold 347 246 136 211 71,84%
SilkTork 309 293 127 182 70,87%
AGK 342 246 141 101 70,81%
Jclemens 313 212 204 109 60,54%

I'm sorry to be so lazy, but could someone quickly and clearly indicate... how many ArbCom seats needed to be filled (or re-filled)? How many of these "winners" will be taking those vacant seats? And, how many of the new appointees have already served on ArbCom?

I'd like to write a brief Examiner post about how the Wikipedia community simply shuns new blood and perpetuates the Old Guard's control. But, I don't care to say that if the evidence is to the contrary.

You could say the same about Strom Thurmond and Jesse Helms. Why did they keep getting re-elected when there were obviously more qualified candidates? Most people do not research the candidates, so they go with familiar ones. Given that most who ran were "Old Guard" or Protest Candidates (think Libertarian, Green, or Constitution Party), most will go with the Old Guard. They can't make things better, but they certainly can't make things worse.

I voted Oppose for all of them. Too bad you can't write-in candidates. I would have forced Malleus, Giano, Parrot of Doom, and even Geogre to run.

[Malleus]

so here are the results. No Coren. Geni in the bottom 3. Worm at 59% just below Jclemens.

Courcelles 433 186 110 323 79,74%
Risker 401 199 129 272 75,66%
Kirill Lokshin 372 216 141 231 72,51%
Roger Davies 374 210 145 229 72,06%
Hersfold 347 246 136 211 71,84%
SilkTork 309 293 127 182 70,87%
AGK 342 246 141 101 70,81%
Jclemens 313 212 204 109 60,54%

I'm sorry to be so lazy, but could someone quickly and clearly indicate... how many ArbCom seats needed to be filled (or re-filled)? How many of these "winners" will be taking those vacant seats? And, how many of the new appointees have already served on ArbCom?

I'd like to write a brief Examiner post about how the Wikipedia community simply shuns new blood and perpetuates the Old Guard's control. But, I don't care to say that if the evidence is to the contrary.

You could say the same about Strom Thurmond and Jesse Helms. Why did they keep getting re-elected when there were obviously more qualified candidates? Most people do not research the candidates, so they go with familiar ones. Given that most who ran were "Old Guard" or Protest Candidates (think Libertarian, Green, or Constitution Party), most will go with the Old Guard. They can't make things better, but they certainly can't make things worse.

I voted Oppose for all of them. Too bad you can't write-in candidates. I would have forced Malleus, Giano, Parrot of Doom, and even Geogre to run.

If Giano would be up for it again next year then so would I. What a team we'd make!

[turnedworm]

Well, now a whole passel of people are examining Plateau99's history. I expect he will prove to be someone we've seen before. Ho hum. So predictable.

(He's been editing Ophidiophilia. Ick.)

In my day you got banned for asking questions like that.

Oh and welcome to the 'Worm that Turned' who I see is browsing here. Possibly a future Arbcom member. Welcome to the cesspit.

Thanking you. You may never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy, but at least people actually say what they're thinking!

[HRIP7]

Thanking you. You may never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy, but at least people actually say what they're thinking!

Commiserations (or should that be congratulations?) for failing to make the cut!

You stated that among Wikipedia's biggest problems is that when editing BLPs, editors often forget they're writing about real people, and that what they write has real consequences for those people. That's quite true.

But in some cases they may in fact be all too aware of that. Do you think people involved in personal disputes with BLP subjects should be allowed to edit their adversaries' biographies?

[turnedworm]

Thanking you. You may never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy, but at least people actually say what they're thinking!

Commiserations (or should that be congratulations?) for failing to make the cut!

You stated that among Wikipedia's biggest problems is that when editing BLPs, editors often forget they're writing about real people, and that what they write has real consequences for those people. That's quite true.

But in some cases they may in fact be all too aware of that. Do you think people involved in personal disputes with BLP subjects should be allowed to edit their adversaries' biographies?

I'm not going to complain that I didn't make the cut, it will mean a much less stressful life. I thought I could make a difference, so I ran.

I absolutely disapprove of CoI editing and especially on BLPs with a negative slant. However, the way that Wikipedia works has to allow it, even if we do kill it with fire when it's seen. As long as people are civil, and willing to discuss their edits and meeting wikipedia's policies on notability and reliable sources and so on, what can you do? I don't want a nanny state, where you can be accused of pushing an agenda and kicked off by the "cabal".

So, yes, they should be "allowed" - and the BLP policy should be the fall back. CoI is impossible to police, rarely obvious unless declared and sometimes irrelevent. I hate to hit the old cliche, but "focusing on the edits not the editor" seems relevent

[HRIP7]

I'm not going to complain that I didn't make the cut, it will mean a much less stressful life. I thought I could make a difference, so I ran.

I absolutely disapprove of CoI editing and especially on BLPs with a negative slant. However, the way that Wikipedia works has to allow it, even if we do kill it with fire when it's seen. As long as people are civil, and willing to discuss their edits and meeting wikipedia's policies on notability and reliable sources and so on, what can you do? I don't want a nanny state, where you can be accused of pushing an agenda and kicked off by the "cabal".

So, yes, they should be "allowed" - and the BLP policy should be the fall back. CoI is impossible to police, rarely obvious unless declared and sometimes irrelevent. I hate to hit the old cliche, but "focusing on the edits not the editor" seems relevent

(IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/ermm.gif) I don't agree that Wikipedia has to allow it, or should not even take the common-sense first step of advising against it in BLP policy.

Just as Wikipedia discourages CoI editing by article subjects, it should at the very least – and prominently – discourage CoI editing by people who have personal beef with the article subject.

I can't imagine any reputable media outfit doing otherwise.

[turnedworm]

(IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/ermm.gif) I don't agree that Wikipedia has to allow it, or should not even take the common-sense first step of advising against it in BLP policy.

Just as Wikipedia discourages CoI editing by article subjects, it should at the very least – and prominently – discourage CoI editing by people who have personal beef with the article subject.

I can't imagine any reputable media outfit doing otherwise.

Well, advising against it and discouraging it sound sensible to me.

Wikipedia does a lot of things that "reputable media outfits" wouldn't do, I don't think a direct comparison works

[Mathsci]

I was not surprised by the 7 who were elected for 2 years. Nor that Jonathan Clemens was elected for just 1 year.

[HRIP7]

Wikipedia does a lot of things that "reputable media outfits" wouldn't do ...

The fewer, the better. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/wink.gif)

Nice rabbits, BTW. And FWIW, my better half and me voted for ya.

I was not surprised by the 7 who were elected for 2 years. Nor that Jonathan Clemens was elected for just 1 year.

Indeed. Glad SilkTork got in; he's always seemed a sensible chap.

[that one guy]

I was not surprised by the 7 who were elected for 2 years. Nor that Jonathan Clemens was elected for just 1 year.

JClemens, probably the only person to get elected to two straight one year terms XD

[Eppur si muove]

(IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/ermm.gif) I don't agree that Wikipedia has to allow it, or should not even take the common-sense first step of advising against it in BLP policy.

Just as Wikipedia discourages CoI editing by article subjects, it should at the very least – and prominently – discourage CoI editing by people who have personal beef with the article subject.

I can't imagine any reputable media outfit doing otherwise.

Well, advising against it and discouraging it sound sensible to me.

Wikipedia does a lot of things that "reputable media outfits" wouldn't do, I don't think a direct comparison works

I don't know. Whenever a political diary is published, the press fight over who gets to publish the juicy bits.

[Heat]

I wonder what's taking so long. My bet: someone Jimbo doesn't like got elected.

Kim Jong-il died on Saturday. No doubt that throws a spanner in the works. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/wink.gif)

[Casliber]

I wonder what's taking so long. My bet: someone Jimbo doesn't like got elected.

Kim Jong-il died on Saturday. No doubt that throws a spanner in the works. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/wink.gif)

(Chuckle)...that made me chuckle I have to concede... (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/laugh.gif)

[Fusion]

I wonder what's taking so long. My bet: someone Jimbo doesn't like got elected.

Kim Jong-il died on Saturday. No doubt that throws a spanner in the works. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/wink.gif)

Was he then a member of ArbCom? If so, then there would of course be another vacancy to fill.

[Jaranda]

The elections result wasn't surpricing other than Jclemens being reelected and Panyd failing below 50%. Jclemens was bashed in the ArbCom guides, and most of the editors I spoke to voted against him.

Panyd I thought would have be in the 60% range. What happened was that I think editors were worried about how she would handle the stress of the job, plus her close relationship with Chase me may hinder her skills in ArbCom.

Six of the eight candidates I voted for got in, with the two exceptions being Panyd and Coren (Coren was more of a tactical support). I voted against Roger Davies for personal reasons, and Jclemens because of his view of BLPs. But overall the elections was as predicted.

[thekohser]

Six of the eight candidates I voted for got in...

Did your therapist help advise you on your votes? Oh, wait... "My therapist told me to stay as far away from Wikipedia..." Why aren't you heeding your therapist?

[Jaranda]

Six of the eight candidates I voted for got in...

Did your therapist help advise you on your votes? Oh, wait... "My therapist told me to stay as far away from Wikipedia..." Why aren't you heeding your therapist?

I tried for a few days, still hooked to the project, though if you see my edits since then it's nearly all minor edits, with days long gaps in between. It's hard to stay away from something that I spent many hours of my time to so quickly.

[radek]

All the people I voted "oppose" for didn't get elected.

[radek]

so here are the results. No Coren. Geni in the bottom 3. Worm at 59% just below Jclemens.

Courcelles 433 186 110 323 79,74%
Risker 401 199 129 272 75,66%
Kirill Lokshin 372 216 141 231 72,51%
Roger Davies 374 210 145 229 72,06%
Hersfold 347 246 136 211 71,84%
SilkTork 309 293 127 182 70,87%
AGK 342 246 141 101 70,81%
Jclemens 313 212 204 109 60,54%

I'm sorry to be so lazy, but could someone quickly and clearly indicate... how many ArbCom seats needed to be filled (or re-filled)? How many of these "winners" will be taking those vacant seats? And, how many of the new appointees have already served on ArbCom?

I'd like to write a brief Examiner post about how the Wikipedia community simply shuns new blood and perpetuates the Old Guard's control. But, I don't care to say that if the evidence is to the contrary.

You could say the same about Strom Thurmond and Jesse Helms. Why did they keep getting re-elected when there were obviously more qualified candidates? Most people do not research the candidates, so they go with familiar ones. Given that most who ran were "Old Guard" or Protest Candidates (think Libertarian, Green, or Constitution Party), most will go with the Old Guard. They can't make things better, but they certainly can't make things worse.

I voted Oppose for all of them. Too bad you can't write-in candidates. I would have forced Malleus, Giano, Parrot of Doom, and even Geogre to run.

If Giano would be up for it again next year then so would I. What a team we'd make!

It's most definetly a "better the devil you know" kind of result (except for the devil we know as Coren)

[Kelly Martin]

It's hard to stay away from something that I spent many hours of my time to so quickly.

No, it's not. Grow some willpower, child.