Oh my god! Ryulong is Danny's son or maybe even Danny! Options

[LamontStormstar]

In one thread a ways back I speculated on Ryulong being the son of Jayjg and SlimVirgin.

In yet another thread somwhere someone else said that Ryulong obviously is a sock puppet of another administrator. I asked some questions and yada yada, nothing came of it.

I'll get right down to it.

Danny and Ryulong both moved from Brooklyn, New York to Florida.

See their IPs
http://www.wikipedia-watch.org/cgi-bin/girc.cgi?Na=Ryulong
http://www.wikipedia-watch.org/cgi-bin/girc.cgi?Na=Danny

Also old versions of Ryulong's userpage said he was from Brooklyn. It may still say it somewhere. Even if he deletes it, there are lots of mirrors. Danny's userpage says he moved from somewhere to Florida.


Wikipedia watch has:

Danny
administrator
Jimbo's executive assistant
(resigned 2007-03-20)
Danny Wool
St.Petersburg, Florida, USA
born:1963-09-07
formerly lived in Brooklyn, where he worked
for the Museum of Jewish Heritage in New York

Another similarity.

Ryulong's last adminship had too low a percentage for him to be nominated, but Raul made him admin despite this.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Req...nship/Ryulong_3


Danny, despite resigning, ran for adminship again and then despite losing, Raul made him admin anyway.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_tal...ly_unacceptable
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_tal...Dan.27s_conduct



Here's the kicker.....

August 2, Ryulong deleted my userpage purely because he saw me posting on Wikipedia Review. Majorly then restored it August 24th. September 14th, Ryulong came and deleted it. A MERE FOUR MINUTES LATER, Danny came and deleted my talk page. I thought at the time someone emailed a bunch of admins, but it turns out that's not the case.


http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...LamontStormstar
01:57, 14 September 2007 Ryulong (Talk | contribs) deleted "User:LamontStormstar" ? (User's only edit to this page was to add {{wikibreak}} and the user has made absolutely no contributions elsewhere. Wikipedia is not a free webhost.)
18:20, 24 August 2007 Majorly (Talk | contribs) restored "User:LamontStormstar" ? (3 revision(s) restored: must have been a mistaken delete on Ryulong's part. Restoring.)
08:02, 2 August 2007 Ryulong (Talk | contribs) deleted "User:LamontStormstar" ? (User has not edited Wikipedia in a year; WP:NOT#WEBSPACE)



http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...LamontStormstar
02:01, 14 September 2007 Danny (Talk | contribs) deleted "User talk:LamontStormstar" ? (content was: ''''Welcome!'''Hello, {{BASEPAGENAME}}, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like ...')


The evidence here points to Ryulong being the same person as Danny, however Danny is 44 years old right now. And yet, Ryulong has a huge fascination with Japanese children's TV shows--not stuff when Danny was a kid that he may be nostalogic about but children's shows for a person born in 1990 and later. So unless Ryulong is his son, then Danny at age 44 has a huge obsession with lots of children's TV shows and that is TRULY DISTURBING.



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[everyking]

This is very weak. The only piece of evidence that strikes me as possibly meaningful is the page deletions, four minutes apart, but most likely it came up on IRC or in some backchannel way like that (does Danny hang out in IRC?). Why would he be using different accounts to do the same basic thing in such a brief span of time?

[jorge]

Danny is gay.

[LamontStormstar]

I also forgot some things. Ryulong and Danny both identify as Jewish.


Also, what's interesting is Jayjg

Jayjg
aka Jay
administrator
checkuser, oversight
former arbitrator John Doe #22
New York or Canada
works in management
age:in his 40s(?)

Jayjg and Danny both are middle aged, had all the full powers at Wikipedia, lived in New York, and had some deep involvement in a Jewish group. Danny with Museum of Jewish Heritage and Jayjg I'm not sure other than Hasbara fellowships. I wonder if Danny worked in management at that Museum?



As for deleting my userpage again, Ryulong was wheel warring with Majorly. So a different admin account deleting the talk page would basically discourage Majorly or others from restoring it and so far it has.

Danny is gay.

Has he stated this?

[jorge]

Jayjg and Danny both are middle aged, had all the full powers at Wikipedia, lived in New York, and had some deep involvement in a Jewish group. Danny with Museum of Jewish Heritage and Jayjg I'm not sure other than Hasbara fellowships. I wonder if Danny worked in management at that Museum?

Danny Wool was in charge of education at the museum. Now he is educating the whole WORLD.

Danny is gay.

Has he stated this?

Yes.

[LamontStormstar]

Danny is gay.

Has he stated this?

Yes.

When I put the word "lovers" in the poll, I just wanted to cover all scenarios in the second choice, not to imply anything. I was worried about putting it there so I tried to make it stand out less. But now I am glad I have it there.

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[jorge]

When I put the word "lovers" in the poll, I just wanted to cover all scenarios in the second choice, not to imply anything. I was worried about putting it there so I tried to make it stand out less. But now I am glad I have it there.

If Danny did have a partner I'd say it is likely they would be editing Wikipedia. Whether they would be editing Wikipedia articles on Manga cartoons I know not.

[guy]

Do we know definitely that Ryulong is male?

[badlydrawnjeff]

then Danny at age 44 has a huge obsession with lots of children's TV shows and that is TRULY DISTURBING.

And what's disturbing about this, pray tell?

Come on, seriously.

[jorge]

then Danny at age 44 has a huge obsession with lots of children's TV shows and that is TRULY DISTURBING.

And what's disturbing about this, pray tell?

Come on, seriously.

So you you think that Danny might be Ryulong?

EDIT: Ryu Long was a character in the 2001 martial arts film Koroshiya 1 aka Ichi the Killer

[everyking]

then Danny at age 44 has a huge obsession with lots of children's TV shows and that is TRULY DISTURBING.

And what's disturbing about this, pray tell?

Come on, seriously.

It's like you and "The Turk". You're almost 200 years too young to be interested in that thing, and frankly, I find it disturbing.

[Alex]

Seriously Lamont, what crap is this??? They both edit way too much to be the same person - both have more than 30k edits I believe. They both IRC at the same time, and Danny would have done so at work, when he was working for Wikimedia. Would have looked slightly odd if he was using two IRC clients at the same time, don't you think? It's all just coincidences.

[guy]

It's all just coincidences.

Basically, they're just two people living in the USA in a similar way.

[Jonny Cache]

Seriously Lamont, what crap is this??? They both edit way too much to be the same person — both have more than 30k edits I believe. They both IRC at the same time, and Danny would have done so at work, when he was working for Wikimedia. Would have looked slightly odd if he was using two IRC clients at the same time, don't you think? It's all just coincidences.

Hey! I'm convinced!

We already discussed the DragGoon² RowBot a bunch on the thread about WP:DENY, where it Outted Itself as being — ¤ gasp ¤ — A BUNNY !!!

As I noted in this post, that puts our Knight of the Lepus somewhere in the sequence of ages: 8, 20, 32, 44, 56, 68, 80, 92, 104, etc.

As far as the edit count thing goes, Bunny Numero Uno has in xcess of 100K edits, but a quick scan will show that 98% of them are simple reverts of other people's edits. It's the sort of thng it could do left-handed — well, nevermind. And I think that DennyColt already showed us what can be done with semi-automatic weapons of mass destruction.

Jonny (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/cool.gif)

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[Krimpet]

Ryulong/Danny would have to cover a lot of ground each day between Miami and St. Petersburg, considering the two cities are almost 300 miles away from each other and all -- maybe he's got a Tyler Durden split-personality thing going on?

[Nya]

Also, Ryulong is apparently from Long Island, not Brooklyn, at least according to his old userboxes. They haven't been disappeared yet, but maybe they will after this thread.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=100813433

[jorge]

Ryolong clearly seems to be a sock of somebody as they were far too familiar with Wikipedia on their first edits. I'd guess whoever it is set up that account as they thought whichever their other account is might be discredited/mocked if people knew of their interest/obsession with Power rangers.

[blissyu2]

Before we do a poll on something like this, we need to discuss it and try to sort through the evidence, I think.

For what its worth, I like lots of quality "kids" shows. Of course, I don't consider them to be kids. Cartoons for example. I watch The Simpsons, South Park, sometimes Kim Possible, Naruto, and a bunch of other stuff. Well, not so much now that I don't have the Cartoon Network or Nickelodeon anymore, but yeah. Of course I don't watch Sesame Street anymore (at least not unless I'm babysitting - I still consider that to be quality) and I would never ever watch fucking lambchops playalong or Barney the crap dinosaur or any of those really mind numbingly awful ones.

[Jonny Cache]

Before we do a poll on something like this, we need to discuss it and try to sort through the evidence, I think.

For what its worth, I like lots of quality "kids" shows. Of course, I don't consider them to be kids. Cartoons for example. I watch The Simpsons, South Park, sometimes Kim Possible, Naruto, and a bunch of other stuff. Well, not so much now that I don't have the Cartoon Network or Nickelodeon anymore, but yeah. Of course I don't watch Sesame Street anymore (at least not unless I'm babysitting — I still consider that to be quality) and I would never ever watch fucking lambchops playalong or Barney the crap dinosaur or any of those really mind numbingly awful ones.

Yes, as usual, a poll is a pretty lame way to incite a discussion, but now that we're all incited …

The thing that's really at issue here is not one person's peculiar hobby — who really gives a flying filly? — and we wouldn't care a whit if they didn't ride their hobby horse all over everyone else's farms and gardens.

But that's just what they do, and they do it with the kind of FlyLord RoninBot SakéCrazed Samurai Knight Fever Mindlessness that might be the Tao Of Online Gamers, but that is wholly toxic to the project of writing an encyclopedia for the knowledge-seeking, not coup-counting public.

The supreme irony is that we can literally extract a general principle from Hao Rong Ryu's own dicta that would solve the problem of keeping these Terrible Tots from constantly tearing everyone else's hair out, as discussed here.

Jonny (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/cool.gif)

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[jorge]

Before we do a poll on something like this, we need to discuss it and try to sort through the evidence, I think.

For what its worth, I like lots of quality "kids" shows. Of course, I don't consider them to be kids. Cartoons for example. I watch The Simpsons, South Park, sometimes Kim Possible, Naruto, and a bunch of other stuff. Well, not so much now that I don't have the Cartoon Network or Nickelodeon anymore, but yeah. Of course I don't watch Sesame Street anymore (at least not unless I'm babysitting - I still consider that to be quality) and I would never ever watch fucking lambchops playalong or Barney the crap dinosaur or any of those really mind numbingly awful ones.

Isn't there a kids programme in Australia that is really famous? I can't remember what it is though. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/sad.gif)

The thing that's really at issue here is not one person's peculiar hobby — who really gives a flying filly? — and we wouldn't care a whit if they didn't ride their hobby horse all over everyone else's farms and gardens.

Jonny (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/cool.gif)

The question is, has Ryulong committed the ultrimate wiki crime- being in possession of two administrator accounts simultaneously?

[Jonny Cache]

Isn't there a kids programme in Australia that is really famous? I can't remember what it is though. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/sad.gif)

The thing that's really at issue here is not one person's peculiar hobby — who really gives a flying filly? — and we wouldn't care a whit if they didn't ride their hobby horse all over everyone else's farms and gardens.

Jonny (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/cool.gif)

The question is, has Ryulong committed the ultrimate wiki crime — being in possession of two administrator accounts simultaneously?

1. You must be thinking of the Poo Bum Dicky Wee Wee Show.

2. It would only be the ultimate crime if they couldn't excuse it the second it's discovered.

Jonny (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/cool.gif)

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[yow]

Ryulong is fascinated by dragons ("Ryu" + "Long" = terms for "dragon" in Japanese and Chinese respectively) , and there is direct linkage from his former Geocities pages through his Deviant Art pages (note ref to "Danny in the tube") and his current Wikipedia stuff.

Picture of Ryulong
(IMG:http://forums.henshinjustice.com/customavatars/avatar1749_13.gif)

profile
http://forums.henshinjustice.com/member.php?u=1749

http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/Ryulong

Please note that his e-mail address in the Geocities page contains "Ryulong6787", a formulation someone here has noted before (he was born June 7, 1987). By the way, his name is Michael.

Before we do a poll on something like this, we need to discuss it and try to sort through the evidence, I think.

For what its worth, I like lots of quality "kids" shows. Of course, I don't consider them to be kids. Cartoons for example. I watch The Simpsons, South Park, sometimes Kim Possible, Naruto, and a bunch of other stuff. Well, not so much now that I don't have the Cartoon Network or Nickelodeon anymore, but yeah. Of course I don't watch Sesame Street anymore (at least not unless I'm babysitting — I still consider that to be quality) and I would never ever watch fucking lambchops playalong or Barney the crap dinosaur or any of those really mind numbingly awful ones.

Yes, as usual, a poll is a pretty lame way to incite a discussion, but now that we're all incited …

The thing that's really at issue here is not one person's peculiar hobby — who really gives a flying filly? — and we wouldn't care a whit if they didn't ride their hobby horse all over everyone else's farms and gardens.

But that's just what they do, and they do it with the kind of FlyLord RoninBot SakéCrazed Samurai Knight Fever Mindlessness that might be the Tao Of Online Gamers, but that is wholly toxic to the project of writing an encyclopedia for the knowledge-seeking, not coup-counting public.

The supreme irony is that we can literally extract a general principle from Hao Rong Ryu's own dicta that would solve the problem of keeping these Terrible Tots from constantly tearing everyone else's hair out, as discussed here.

Jonny (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/cool.gif)

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[Jaranda]

They aren't the same person.

[dtobias]

This is the sort of thread that gives WR a bad name as an "attack site", when you go into flights of bizarre speculation about what the real-life relationship might be between various editors and admins, with digressions where you sneer at their apparent interests, hobbies, and so on. Can't you stick to actual proven facts that are relevant to conflicts of interest you're exposing, instead of random smears that you hope will stick?

[JohnA]

I'd have to agree with Dan Tobias.

Lamont is guessing a relationship based on really circumstantial evidence. I think it's a conspiracy theory where after a while people believe the theory and ignore all countervailing evidence as a "smokescreen".

I don't think there's anything to see here, and I doubt this makes WR a better place than WP by proposing such bizarre theories without substantial evidence.

[Jonny Cache]

This is the sort of thread that gives WR a bad name as an "attack site", when you go into flights of bizarre speculation about what the real-life relationship might be between various editors and admins, with digressions where you sneer at their apparent interests, hobbies, and so on. Can't you stick to actual proven facts that are relevant to conflicts of interest you're exposing, instead of random smears that you hope will stick?

I think some people have difficulty understanding satire.

Jonny (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/cool.gif)

[Firsfron of Ronchester]

This is the sort of thread that gives WR a bad name as an "attack site", when you go into flights of bizarre speculation about what the real-life relationship might be between various editors and admins, with digressions where you sneer at their apparent interests, hobbies, and so on. Can't you stick to actual proven facts that are relevant to conflicts of interest you're exposing, instead of random smears that you hope will stick?

I can only agree, Dan. I'm not sure what caused this round of speculation, but the "links" between these editors are not at all convincing. WR is better than this sort of commentary. Who cares if someone edits kiddie shows? Someone has to (besides the kiddies). If there was a conflict of interest , I think it should be exposed, but I don't see anything like that here.

[Jonny Cache]

Who cares if someone edits kiddie shows? Someone has to (besides the kiddies). If there was a conflict of interest , I think it should be exposed, but I don't see anything like that here.

People have given you abundant good reason to care about the fact that someone with the mentality of an 8 year old on crack is taking major editorial control over the state of articles and the retention of editors in areas that he or she does not know squat about.

People have given you ample evidence to make it clear that there is an Inherent Conflict Of Interest between the Interest of people who are pathological liars — who lie about their names, their education, their personal data, their qualifications, and everything else they find it convenient to lie about — and the Interest of building an educational resource founded on reality and truth.

But you find it convenient to ignore all that, and you continue to disgust us with your moronic excuses for crimes against knowledge.

Go back where you can still win arguments by pretending to be ignorant, even moreso by actually being an ediot.

Jon Awbrey

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[Kato]

This is the sort of thread that gives WR a bad name as an "attack site", when you go into flights of bizarre speculation about what the real-life relationship might be between various editors and admins, with digressions where you sneer at their apparent interests, hobbies, and so on. Can't you stick to actual proven facts that are relevant to conflicts of interest you're exposing, instead of random smears that you hope will stick?

I think some people have difficulty understanding satire.

Jonny (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/cool.gif)

For once, I agree with St. Tobias, and disagree with JC. What is this thread a satire of? Wikipedia Review?

[Jonny Cache]

This is the sort of thread that gives WR a bad name as an "attack site", when you go into flights of bizarre speculation about what the real-life relationship might be between various editors and admins, with digressions where you sneer at their apparent interests, hobbies, and so on. Can't you stick to actual proven facts that are relevant to conflicts of interest you're exposing, instead of random smears that you hope will stick?

I think some people have difficulty understanding satire.

Jonny (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/cool.gif)

For once, I agree with Saint Tobias, and disagree with JC. What is this thread a satire of? Wikipedia Review?

When you're not feeling holy, your loneliness says that you've sinned.

Jonny (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/cool.gif)

[michael]

Ryulong is fascinated by dragons ("Ryu" + "Long" = terms for "dragon" in Japanese and Chinese respectively) , and there is direct linkage from his former Geocities pages through his Deviant Art pages (note ref to "Danny in the tube") and his current Wikipedia stuff.

So Ryulong was born on June 7, 1987 eh? I have to love the Geocities site though, it looks like the thing I did back when I was 12 years old.

[SqueakBox]

In one thread a ways back I speculated on Ryulong being the son of Jayjg and SlimVirgin.

In yet another thread somwhere someone else said that Ryulong obviously is a sock puppet of another administrator. I asked some questions and yada yada, nothing came of it.

I'll get right down to it.

Danny and Ryulong both moved from Brooklyn, New York to Florida.

See their IPs
http://www.wikipedia-watch.org/cgi-bin/girc.cgi?Na=Ryulong
http://www.wikipedia-watch.org/cgi-bin/girc.cgi?Na=Danny

Also old versions of Ryulong's userpage said he was from Brooklyn. It may still say it somewhere. Even if he deletes it, there are lots of mirrors. Danny's userpage says he moved from somewhere to Florida.


Wikipedia watch has:

Danny
administrator
Jimbo's executive assistant
(resigned 2007-03-20)
Danny Wool
St.Petersburg, Florida, USA
born:1963-09-07
formerly lived in Brooklyn, where he worked
for the Museum of Jewish Heritage in New York

Another similarity.

Ryulong's last adminship had too low a percentage for him to be nominated, but Raul made him admin despite this.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Req...nship/Ryulong_3


Danny, despite resigning, ran for adminship again and then despite losing, Raul made him admin anyway.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_tal...ly_unacceptable
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_tal...Dan.27s_conduct



Here's the kicker.....

August 2, Ryulong deleted my userpage purely because he saw me posting on Wikipedia Review. Majorly then restored it August 24th. September 14th, Ryulong came and deleted it. A MERE FOUR MINUTES LATER, Danny came and deleted my talk page. I thought at the time someone emailed a bunch of admins, but it turns out that's not the case.


http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...LamontStormstar
01:57, 14 September 2007 Ryulong (Talk | contribs) deleted "User:LamontStormstar" ? (User's only edit to this page was to add {{wikibreak}} and the user has made absolutely no contributions elsewhere. Wikipedia is not a free webhost.)
18:20, 24 August 2007 Majorly (Talk | contribs) restored "User:LamontStormstar" ? (3 revision(s) restored: must have been a mistaken delete on Ryulong's part. Restoring.)
08:02, 2 August 2007 Ryulong (Talk | contribs) deleted "User:LamontStormstar" ? (User has not edited Wikipedia in a year; WP:NOT#WEBSPACE)



http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...LamontStormstar
02:01, 14 September 2007 Danny (Talk | contribs) deleted "User talk:LamontStormstar" ? (content was: ''''Welcome!'''Hello, {{BASEPAGENAME}}, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like ...')


The evidence here points to Ryulong being the same person as Danny, however Danny is 44 years old right now. And yet, Ryulong has a huge fascination with Japanese children's TV shows--not stuff when Danny was a kid that he may be nostalogic about but children's shows for a person born in 1990 and later. So unless Ryulong is his son, then Danny at age 44 has a huge obsession with lots of children's TV shows and that is TRULY DISTURBING.

You have made a pretty good case but it doesnt really mean much as if they are related, well just cos your dad or your kid edits wikipedia doesn't mean that you can't. In spite of various sock allegations 2 people editing from one household is not prohibited and nor should it be, Squeak (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/ph34r.gif) Box

[guy]

This is the sort of thread that gives WR a bad name as an "attack site", when you go into flights of bizarre speculation about what the real-life relationship might be between various editors and admins, with digressions where you sneer at their apparent interests, hobbies, and so on. Can't you stick to actual proven facts that are relevant to conflicts of interest you're exposing, instead of random smears that you hope will stick?

Yes, it makes us no better than Wikipedia.

In spite of various sock allegations 2 people editing from one household is not prohibited and nor should it be

So how do we get people blocked on precisely those grounds unblocked?

[KamrynMatika]

Lol, when I read this thread I thought he was taking the piss out of the SevenofDiamonds case. Guess it went over my head, eh? (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/blink.gif)

[Castle Rock]

Who cares if someone edits kiddie shows? Someone has to (besides the kiddies). If there was a conflict of interest , I think it should be exposed, but I don't see anything like that here.

People have given you abundant good reason to care about the fact that someone with the mentality of an 8 year old on crack is taking major editorial control over the state of articles and the retention of editors in areas that he or she does not know squat about.

People have given you ample evidence to make it clear that there is an Inherent Conflict Of Interest between the Interest of people who are pathological liars — who lie about their names, their education, their personal data, their qualifications, and everything else they find it convenient to lie about — and the Interest of building an educational resource founded on reality and truth.

But you find it convenient to ignore all that, and you continue to disgust us with your moronic excuses for crimes against knowledge.

Go back where you can still win arguments by pretending to be ignorant, even moreso by actually being an ediot.

Jon Awbrey

What the hell are you talking about? No credible evidence has been presented here. As for Ryulong asserting major control, I think that is in your mind only. Look at his edits and take off the tinfoil hat.

[Somey]

What the hell are you talking about? No credible evidence has been presented here. As for Ryulong asserting major control, I think that is in your mind only. Look at his edits and take off the tinfoil hat.

So what does everyone think, then? Should we move this thread to the tar pit, or maybe delete it completely? I mean, Lamont started it, and it's not like he isn't used to it...

I voted that they were the same person anyway, just so Lamont wouldn't feel like nobody loves him.

[Kato]

What the hell are you talking about? No credible evidence has been presented here. As for Ryulong asserting major control, I think that is in your mind only. Look at his edits and take off the tinfoil hat.

So what does everyone think, then? Should we move this thread to the tar pit, or maybe delete it completely?

Delete it completely? That seems a bit harsh. Could we at least keep in the tarpit for future reference?

[Jonny Cache]

What the hell are you talking about? No credible evidence has been presented here. As for Ryulong asserting major control, I think that is in your mind only. Look at his edits and take off the tinfoil hat.

So what does everyone think, then? Should we move this thread to the tar pit, or maybe delete it completely? I mean, Lamont started it, and it's not like he isn't used to it...

I voted that they were the same person anyway, just so Lamont wouldn't feel like nobody loves him.

I was not taking that particular identification seriously, nor do I really care, but I think that the point of playing along with this little bit of street theatre is this — with a dossier so absurd as Dragon-Squared's, there is no more reason to believe the assertions on its user page than there was with the claims on Essjay's user page. Meanwhile, this Trusted Adminion who beehives like a robot is a typical component of a Cyborg City that enforces its mental blocks with inhumane and unquestioning ruthlessness. And beehiviour like that is the very essense of Wikipedia today.

Jonny (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/cool.gif)

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[GlassBeadGame]

What the hell are you talking about? No credible evidence has been presented here. As for Ryulong asserting major control, I think that is in your mind only. Look at his edits and take off the tinfoil hat.

So what does everyone think, then? Should we move this thread to the tar pit, or maybe delete it completely?

Delete it completely? That seems a bit harsh. Could we at least keep in the tarpit for future reference?

I think the thread demonstrates WR's ability to sort out the merits of various assertions and should be kept as and where it is now. It also shows that we can tolerate criticism without becoming hysterical. Lamont will have a better day tomorrow.

[blissyu2]

Isn't there a kids programme in Australia that is really famous? I can't remember what it is though. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/sad.gif)

The Wiggles is the most popular Australian kids entertainment group ever, and they are about 10 times more popular in USA than they are in Australia (they are still fairly popular here). Of course, if you're talking about ones that are famous in Australia, but unknown elsewhere, there's crap like Humphrey B. Bear, which is about the same level as Barney the Dinosaur. I approve of Wiggles. They are good. I'm not sure if they are worth US $250 million per year good, but they are very good.

I don't mind that this thread exists. Remember the reaction to Essjay when Daniel Brandt started on about that, and then remember how that turned out. There is nothing wrong with speculation, so long as we note that it is speculation, and don't use it to harass others, or anything like that. In the Essjay case, Essjay was someone who most WR members liked, and who was a very positive contributor to WR, and the evidence didn't seem very compelling, and even if it was, so what? But yet look how that one turned out.

Yes, this is a fishing expedition, and for the moment I think that LamontStormStar is wrong. But it may later turn out that this was right, or had some semblance of correctness.

Deleting this thread just because we can't prove that it is true would be irresponsible. There is nothing harassing in here.

However, if anyone feels that there is anything harassing, then this can be moved to a hidden area that can't be picked up by Google search engines, and/or any personal details can be [name redacted] a la SlimVirgin.

I don't think that this "gives WR a bad name" at all. And even if it did, who cares?

I guess that the crucial issue with this is this - if what LSS says is correct - that they are the same person, or father and son, or lovers, then so what? Does it matter? Once we can establish that it matters, then we need to determine whether it could be true. Right now, I don't think it matters even if it is true.

[Somey]

...Lamont will have a better day tomorrow.

Yeah, maybe he'll decide that ElinorD is actually the Queen of England! (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/laughing.gif)

Still, lest we forget, I myself wouldn't even be here if it weren't for precisely this sort of vaguely-sourced, geographically-challenged misidentification. And I'm only half the distance from Lir that Ryulong is from Danny. What's more, Lir and I don't even live in Iowa "in a similar way" - apparently he lives in some sort of low-cost apartment complex near a large, shady college campus, whereas I live in a massive underground laboratory complex run by a large, shadowy megacorporation. (I know, it sounds similar, but it's really not.)

You'll be hearing more about us, though, once our new "zombie" toxin is developed.

[Derktar]

Well let's put this to rest finally, Ryulong, old chap, we need your side of the story, will you abide?

[Firsfron of Ronchester]

Who cares if someone edits kiddie shows? Someone has to (besides the kiddies). If there was a conflict of interest , I think it should be exposed, but I don't see anything like that here.

People have given you abundant good reason to care about the fact that someone with the mentality of an 8 year old on crack is taking major editorial control over the state of articles and the retention of editors in areas that he or she does not know squat about.

No, what people have stated here is that it is "deeply disturbing" that an admin on Wikipedia watches kiddie shows, and that this someone has the "mentality of an 8 year old". Albert Einstein was a big fan of popular children's puppet shows of the 1940s and 50s (link) (link) while writing The Meaning of Relativity, Ideas and Opinions, and "Why Socialism?" Watching a certain TV show does not in itself prevent someone from being able to make a rational decision regarding editorial control over the state of articles, and it does not mean the person has the "mentality of an 8 year old".

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[Somey]

Well let's put this to rest finally, Ryulong, old chap, we need your side of the story, will you abide?

Oh, alright, he's in. I would've gotten to it sooner, but I was busy listening to obscure My Bloody Valentine MP3's...

I guess there's nothing quite like an absurd identity-related thread to increase our membership count, is there? Maybe if somebody accused Elaragirl of being Angela Beesley, we could break 600 by Christmas! (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/smiling.gif)

I should note, of course, that's 600 actual human beings, no spambots, and very few sockpuppets that we actually know of. We take an almost-perverse pride in that around here.

No, what people have stated here is that it is "deeply disturbing" that an admin on Wikipedia watches kiddie shows, and that this someone has the "mentality of an 8 year old".

Well sheez, they almost have to have a few admins who watch kiddie shows, or else how would they know when they're being hoaxed about what's on the kiddie shows?

They should also have admins who eat Ice_cream_sandwiches too, by the way, so they'll know when they're being used for advertising purposes.

Albert Einstein was a big fan of popular children's puppet shows of the 1940s and 50s (link) (link) while writing The Meaning of Relativity, Ideas and Opinions, and "Why Socialism?"

Yeah, but those 50's-era puppet shows were vastly more intellectually stimulating than the average anime series on the Cartoon Network today. I remember one of them I saw back in '52 actually gave me the idea for my version of the unified field theory. What's more, back then ice cream sandwiches were only 10 cents!

Hey, does anyone remember the Thundercats?

[The Joy]

Hey, does anyone remember the Thundercats?

Yes, and Teddy Ruxpin. To an even lesser degree, Silver Hawks.

Strangely, I think the WP article for Thundercats paints Mumm-ra in a sympathetic light. More of a "You Thundercats get off my lawn!" sort of villainy.

Now I remember the Smurfs. I've heard there was an episode where Grandpa Smurf told Smurfette to "Smurf off!" I kid you not. Alas, WP just focuses on the Smurfs being Satanists and being bombed by UNICEF.

I probably watched Power Rangers well past the point most others stopped. In hindsight, the villains tended to have more substance than the bad guys. The Green Ranger was my favorite though before he became a good guy.

As for Ryulong, his days are numbered. He's already been warned MANY times by powerful and prominent Wikipedians regarding his actions. Even NYBrad's Sermon on the Mount on Ryulong's talk page hints that even NYBrad, the "nice" Wikipedian, is getting P.O.ed by Ryulong's actions. I don't care who Ryulong's parents are. He needs to be grounded and have no more to do with Wikipedia.

[Somey]

Now I remember the Smurfs. I've heard there was an episode where Grandpa Smurf told Smurfette to "Smurf off!" I kid you not. Alas, WP just focuses on the Smurfs being Satanists and being bombed by UNICEF.

Yeah, what was THAT all about? And that whole weird business with them taking control of the Tri-Lateral Commission and starting a secret war against Lithuania to try and get people for their Olympic basketball team... I didn't understand that stuff AT ALL.

I don't care who Ryulong's parents are. He needs to be grounded and have no more to do with Wikipedia.

Don't forget, he's a WR member now, so we can't really recommend that he be "grounded." However, if his parents are feeding him Sugar Pops for breakfast, it might be a good idea to switch to Kashi, or just steel-cut oats.

[The Joy]

Welcome to WR, Ryulong!

[Ryulong]

Well let's put this to rest finally, Ryulong, old chap, we need your side of the story, will you abide?

I just find it hilarious that LamontStormstar is connecting "OMG THEY'RE JEWS", "OMG THEY'RE FROM NEW YORK", and "OMG THEY'RE IN FLORIDA" to try and make some sort of crazy conspiracy theory in his mind to state that I am the son of any Wikipedia editor, let alone Danny, SlimVirgin, or Jayjg. I've never met these people in life, nor do I even speak to them on Wikipedia (except for the time where I asked Danny to nuke User talk:LamontStormstar after realizing that Lamont only created his user and user talk pages under that name that he connects with his account here).

Unless that mass of text was incomprehensible, here's the summary:

• I am not Danny, SlimVirgin, or Jayjg's son
• I am not Danny, SlimVirgin, or Jayjg
• I am not Danny, SlimVirgin, or Jayjg's family member, gay lover, best friend forever, or something.
• I am, and have always been, male
• The only relative I have who edits Wikipedia (as far as I know) is my younger brother
• I've read WR since early August when it was directed to me that Ionas68224 was posting incomprehensible rants here saying that he was unjustly banned for directly disrupting my RfC
• I don't watch anime (I hate the entirely popular shit that's on Cartoon Network)
• I really go to the University of Miami (I'm sure that my IP's been checked)
• Half the shit Brandt found out about me that's listed in another thread isn't all that determining about my real identity (zomg my first name and birth date) and most of it is already on my user page in some form
• I'm not any higher-up's (actual Wikipedia "hierarchy" or the ones you have all developed) sockpuppet/meatpuppet/unwilling-puppet
• I'm much less important and omnipotent as a bunch of you make me out to be
• lol, lists

And just so you have "proof" of some of the "wild claims" that some of you don't believe due to the Essjay debacle:
(IMG:http://img461.imageshack.us/img461/636/pa010001ob0.th.jpg)
Oh, I was reading Discover Magazine's article about how there's a population boom in jellyfish, which mentioned Nemopilema nomurai, and I saw that someone screwed up the article.

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[BobbyBombastic]

I notice Ryulong (conveniently) did not confirm or deny that he is SlimVirgin's poodle. (IMG:http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc171/jewishcuisine/Slimdog.jpg)

[Ryulong]

I notice Ryulong (conveniently) did not confirm or deny that he is SlimVirgin's poodle. (IMG:http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc171/jewishcuisine/Slimdog.jpg)

I can assure you that I am of the species H. sapiens sapiens and not a lapdog, figuratively or literaly.

[Kato]

[*]I'm much less important and omnipotent as a bunch of you make me out to be

Hi Ryulong.

Well you took the bait. I don't think anyone believed a word of Lamont's "theory" in the first place.

Anyway, you're too modest. You've been quite important to the people you banned outside due process, the people who had their biographies deleted out of process, the people you accused of being sockpuppets of someone else out of process, etc etc.

I haven't been following your career very closely, but people don't generally get crazy en masse about an admin unless there is a pretty good reason. NYBrad told you the reason on your own page. So there's substance there, if not in Lamont's crazy theory.

So. I think it's time to hand over the tools and sit back on the bench, Mr. Ryulong.

That job just doesn't suit you. And I think you know it.

[Ryulong]

[*]I'm much less important and omnipotent as a bunch of you make me out to be

Anyway, you're too modest. You've been quite important to the people you banned outside due process, the people who had their biographies deleted out of process, the people you accused of being sockpuppets of someone else out of process, etc etc.

Maybe "important" wasn't the right word, but a hell of a lot of posters here think I have access to some sort of higher Wikipedia power (imagined or otherwise).

I haven't been following your career very closely, but people don't generally get crazy en masse about an admin unless there is a pretty good reason. NYBrad told you the reason on your own page. So there's substance there, if not in Lamont's crazy theory.

So. I think it's time to hand over the tools and sit back on the bench, Mr. Ryulong.

That job just doesn't suit you. And I think you know it.

I know I've fucked up a handful of times, but I've never fucked up the same way twice (that's called learning from your mistakes). And people go crazy over less shit on these here intarwebs. I have no clue why I'm Lamont's favorite lately. There have to be people who make more mistakes than I have through admin duties.

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[Kato]

There have to be people who make more mistakes than I have through admin duties.

Well that's probably true. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/happy.gif)

Why don't you edit the articles on your chosen field of study? You know, tell the world about what you know? I'd have thought that would be the purpose of anyone coming to wikipedia in the first place. Why this need to block people and revert vandals so relentlessly and play RoboCop? Why is that more important to you than writing and developing a body of work?

[The Joy]

It's not so much that you blocked an admin, CattleGirl, but the fact that she was blocked for not "contributing" to Wikipedia. I now feel the need to check my block log often to make sure you or another vandal fighter doesn't go off half-cocked and block my wiki-gnome account. Who are you to decide who's contributions, even small ones, to WP are useless to WP? Yes, many should focus on building WP's mainspace (I can think of a few admins who should be doing that), but you didn't even warn these people of their impending block. Why couldn't you have taken the time to work with those people to help them contribute more to WP instead of just arbitrarily banning them? The world won't end if you take the time to be more compassionate and understanding. Yeah, that sounds like hippie crap, but being... you know... nice doesn't cost a thing really.

You say you're learning from your mistakes, but your learning curb isn't very sharp, I must say.

Overzealous vandal fighters and overpopulated jellyfish... it's all a sign of worse things to come!

[Joseph100]

OK the HIGH AND MIGHTY WIKIADAMIN ... then he will respond to this.
RESPOND TO THIS

WHY ARE ACCOUNTS BANNED, for ONE EDIT and ABSOLUTELY NO GOOD REASON <SEE WP:BITE>, AND NO PROOF is PRESENTED OR DUE PROCESS IS GIVEN TO THE ACCUSED?

OK the HIGH AND MIGHTY WIKIADAMIN ... then he will respond to this.
RESPOND TO THIS

WHY ARE ACCOUNTS BANNED, for ONE EDIT and ABSOLUTELY NO GOOD REASON <SEE WP:BITE>, AND NO PROOF is PRESENTED OR DUE PROCESS IS GIVEN TO THE ACCUSED?

AND By the way.... there are over 90,000 thousands "SOCKS"(those that have voted) and may have interest in this article and may want to have a say in how it should be written.... SO, the Sock BULLSHIT DONT CUT WATER...BUB... SHOW ME THE PROOF AND NOT BULLSHIT... the hairs on your neck and what the quaking duck sez is not PROOF.

(side note...this person is is not joe (Me)...

OR this person is not me either...

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[everyking]

It's not so much that you blocked an admin, CattleGirl, but the fact that she was blocked for not "contributing" to Wikipedia. I now feel the need to check my block log often to make sure you or another vandal fighter doesn't go off half-cocked and block my wiki-gnome account. Who are you to decide who's contributions, even small ones, to WP are useless to WP? Yes, many should focus on building WP's mainspace (I can think of a few admins who should be doing that), but you didn't even warn these people of their impending block. Why couldn't you have taken the time to work with those people to help them contribute more to WP instead of just arbitrarily banning them? The world won't end if you take the time to be more compassionate and understanding. Yeah, that sounds like hippie crap, but being... you know... nice doesn't cost a thing really.

You say you're learning from your mistakes, but your learning curb isn't very sharp, I must say.

Overzealous vandal fighters and overpopulated jellyfish... it's all a sign of worse things to come!

I don't know, maybe this idea about blocking people who don't contribute much isn't so bad after all. Have you taken a look at Phil Sandifer's contributions lately, Ryulong?

[jorge]

Isn't there a kids programme in Australia that is really famous? I can't remember what it is though. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/sad.gif)

The Wiggles is the most popular Australian kids entertainment group ever, and they are about 10 times more popular in USA than they are in Australia (they are still fairly popular here). Of course, if you're talking about ones that are famous in Australia, but unknown elsewhere, there's crap like Humphrey B. Bear, which is about the same level as Barney the Dinosaur. I approve of Wiggles. They are good. I'm not sure if they are worth US $250 million per year good, but they are very good.

OK, I remembered the name of the show, Bananas in Pyjamas:

(IMG:http://www.brisbanecostumehire.com.au/images/bananasinpjs.jpg)

In case some people didn't work it out already, this thread was not actually intended to be taken seriously (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/wacko.gif)

[blissyu2]

OK, I remembered the name of the show, Bananas in Pyjamas:

(IMG:http://www.brisbanecostumehire.com.au/images/bananasinpjs.jpg)

In case some people didn't work it out already, this thread was not actually intended to be taken seriously (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/wacko.gif)

Bananas in Pyjamas was a spin off of Play School, which is Australia's version of Sesame Street (sort of). Actually, most Australian kids prefer Sesame Street to Play School, because Sesame Street is better quality. Bananas in Pyjamas was a skit made by Play School, which was based on the nursery rhyme, and it became so popular it got its own spin off. Bananas in Pyjamas, the show, was relatively popular for a while. I wouldn't say "incredibly popular" though. It was briefly more popular than Play School, but I don't think they make it anymore. Interestingly, it seems to have changed from Play School people being unknowns to Play School people being famous-ish actors (people from Water Rats, for example), and this is probably due to the success of Bananas in Pyjamas and other less well known spin offs.

But BIP is no Wiggles. Wiggles kicks all of their butts, by millions of times over.

[Jonny Cache]

Well let's put this to rest finally, Ryulong, old chap, we need your side of the story, will you abide?

I just find it hilarious that LamontStormstar is connecting "OMG THEY'RE JEWS", "OMG THEY'RE FROM NEW YORK", and "OMG THEY'RE IN FLORIDA" to try and make some sort of crazy conspiracy theory in his mind to state that I am the son of any Wikipedia editor, let alone Danny, SlimVirgin, or Jayjg. I've never met these people in life, nor do I even speak to them on Wikipedia (except for the time where I asked Danny to nuke User talk:LamontStormstar after realizing that Lamont only created his user and user talk pages under that name that he connects with his account here).

Unless that mass of text was incomprehensible, here's the summary:

• I am not Danny, SlimVirgin, or Jayjg's son
• I am not Danny, SlimVirgin, or Jayjg
• I am not Danny, SlimVirgin, or Jayjg's family member, gay lover, best friend forever, or something.
• I am, and have always been, male
• The only relative I have who edits Wikipedia (as far as I know) is my younger brother
• I've read WR since early August when it was directed to me that Ionas68224 was posting incomprehensible rants here saying that he was unjustly banned for directly disrupting my RfC
• I don't watch anime (I hate the entirely popular shit that's on Cartoon Network)
• I really go to the University of Miami (I'm sure that my IP's been checked)
• Half the shit Brandt found out about me that's listed in another thread isn't all that determining about my real identity (zomg my first name and birth date) and most of it is already on my user page in some form
• I'm not any higher-up's (actual Wikipedia "hierarchy" or the ones you have all developed) sockpuppet/meatpuppet/unwilling-puppet
• I'm much less important and omnipotent as a bunch of you make me out to be
• lol, lists

And just so you have "proof" of some of the "wild claims" that some of you don't believe due to the Essjay debacle:

(IMG:http://img461.imageshack.us/img461/636/pa010001ob0.th.jpg)

Oh, I was reading Discover Magazine's article about how there's a population boom in jellyfish, which mentioned Nemopilema nomurai, and I saw that someone screwed up the article.

Dear Wikipedia Review User Ryulong,

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We hope that you will e-joy your play here for as long as you remain in the game. Please review the bits of FAQ, FRIC, and FLAK that are for our convenience scattered, er, distributed about Da Board, as we like to call it, in a manner to which you will either become accustomed or die, virtually speaking, of course. Please do not fail to recognize that WROG has a very different set of rules from any other OG you may have played before.

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[Viridae]

Why don't you edit the articles on your chosen field of study?

I actually don't do that much either because there is very little I can add to what is there - I have done a bit - large expansion to gene therapy for instance, but at the moment I am 1. writing a 20000 word thesis and 2. shithouse at writing to be honest - takes me a lot of effort to write well so I add content not as often as I would like

[GlassBeadGame]

Who cares if someone edits kiddie shows? Someone has to (besides the kiddies). If there was a conflict of interest , I think it should be exposed, but I don't see anything like that here.

People have given you abundant good reason to care about the fact that someone with the mentality of an 8 year old on crack is taking major editorial control over the state of articles and the retention of editors in areas that he or she does not know squat about.

No, what people have stated here is that it is "deeply disturbing" that an admin on Wikipedia watches kiddie shows, and that this someone has the "mentality of an 8 year old". Albert Einstein was a big fan of popular children's puppet shows of the 1940s and 50s (link) (link) while writing The Meaning of Relativity, Ideas and Opinions, and "Why Socialism?" Watching a certain TV show does not in itself prevent someone from being able to make a rational decision regarding editorial control over the state of articles, and it does not mean the person has the "mentality of an 8 year old".

Interesting you would have such a fact at your finger tips. Not deeply disturbing, but certainly mock-worthy. One contributing factor of WP's cruft problem is the fascination many editors have with juvenile, age-inappropriate topics.

[blissyu2]

Why don't you edit the articles on your chosen field of study?

I actually don't do that much either because there is very little I can add to what is there - I have done a bit - large expansion to gene therapy for instance, but at the moment I am 1. writing a 20000 word thesis and 2. shithouse at writing to be honest - takes me a lot of effort to write well so I add content not as often as I would like

Apparently that's a conflict of interest, or it becomes original research, or otherwise if you know what you're doing then they don't like it. Most of my edits (in terms of amount of material added) were to things that I knew a lot about. Of course, most of my fiddling (which accounts for most of the edits in terms of raw number of times I pressed edit) were to things that I didn't know a lot about.

Things may have changed once I'd run out of things to add on things that I had a fair amount of knowledge of. I wouldn't know because I didn't get to that stage. I was run out of town as a newbie basically.

[Jonny Cache]

Who cares if someone edits kiddie shows? Someone has to (besides the kiddies). If there was a conflict of interest , I think it should be exposed, but I don't see anything like that here.

People have given you abundant good reason to care about the fact that someone with the mentality of an 8 year old on crack is taking major editorial control over the state of articles and the retention of editors in areas that he or she does not know squat about.

No, what people have stated here is that it is "deeply disturbing" that an admin on Wikipedia watches kiddie shows, and that this someone has the "mentality of an 8 year old". Albert Einstein was a big fan of popular children's puppet shows of the 1940s and 50s (link) (link) while writing The Meaning of Relativity, Ideas and Opinions, and "Why Socialism?" Watching a certain TV show does not in itself prevent someone from being able to make a rational decision regarding editorial control over the state of articles, and it does not mean the person has the "mentality of an 8 year old".

Interesting you would have such a fact at your finger tips. Not deeply disturbing, but certainly mock-worthy. One contributing factor of WP's cruft problem is the fascination many editors have with juvenile, age-inappropriate topics.

Once again, it's so hard to tell if Wik-Uh-Pologists are just pretending to be dense, from long habituation to that way of winning arguments in Wikiputia, or whether they really are that dense.

At any rate, it doesn't really matter all that much, since one quickly tires of repeating what one did say in the face of their never-ending X-ertions to read it as something else.

Jonny (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/cool.gif)

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[SomineSomiwhere]

Dear Wikipedia Review User Ryulong,

Welcome to The Wikipedia Review Online Game (WROG) !!!
[...]

Yeah, Ryulong definitely "plays" WP. For example: he has symbols of Linux and free software (GNU head) on top of his pages. I'm sure there are many high-profile admins/wikipedians who are fans of free software, so this is a bonus. But in reality Ryulong's main OS is probably Windows XP (see "Operating System" in "Devious Information" box).

OK, to the point: despite criticism from other "high-profile" admins I think his behaviour is still objectionable. For example this edit: after adding <div>s with style="display:none" the list appears much shorter than it is in reality. Very nice trick! Protected titles between these <div>s are still protected, but "invisible" in normal circumstances. Ryu also doesn't care about adding some edit summary...

By the way -- his talk page is protected, again...

About the topic - I don't think that Ryu is sockpuppet of another editor. He has too many edits.

PS. My first post... Well, I have been reading WR since some time, and I think this is great forum! WP is quite useful sometimes and I think that complete destruction of it is not desirable, but IMO the problem is that casual people don't know about all the mess in it and take WP too seriously (i.e. as encyclopedia, which is a huge mistake). So, this forum makes fantastic job in spreading the truth about matters in wikiland.

[everyking]

Why don't you edit the articles on your chosen field of study?

I actually don't do that much either because there is very little I can add to what is there - I have done a bit - large expansion to gene therapy for instance, but at the moment I am 1. writing a 20000 word thesis and 2. shithouse at writing to be honest - takes me a lot of effort to write well so I add content not as often as I would like

Apparently that's a conflict of interest, or it becomes original research, or otherwise if you know what you're doing then they don't like it. Most of my edits (in terms of amount of material added) were to things that I knew a lot about. Of course, most of my fiddling (which accounts for most of the edits in terms of raw number of times I pressed edit) were to things that I didn't know a lot about.

Things may have changed once I'd run out of things to add on things that I had a fair amount of knowledge of. I wouldn't know because I didn't get to that stage. I was run out of town as a newbie basically.

Ordinary editing by people specializing in a field is in no way a COI, nor is it original research as long as it's ultimately based on the research of others. Just use sources like everybody else. It's terrible that some people seem to have gotten the idea that it's bad to edit stuff you know about.

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[Jonny Cache]

Ordinary editing by people specializing in a field is in no way a COI, nor is it original research as long as it's ultimately based on the research of others. Just use sources like everybody else. It's terrible that some people seem to have gotten the idea that it's bad to edit stuff you know about.

Now where the devil would they have gotten such a curious idea?

Maybe from having Wikipod Peepers scream NOR! NOR! NOR! at every bit of info they never heard of — like they live in constant TERROR that someone will put it on the Mid-Term Exam or something.

Yes, we all know the way it's sposed to be, and I'm guessing we all know the way it is.

Jonny (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/cool.gif)

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[guy]

Ordinary editing by people specializing in a field is in no way a COI, nor is it original research as long as it's ultimately based on the research of others.

But if you're a specialist, you've probably researched it yourself.

The trouble with being an expert in a field is you know what's a good reference and what isn't. Also, you probably know things that aren't yet in the domain of references that people can understand. The mass of editors just can't cope with that.

[Derktar]

[*]lol, lists
[/list]And just so you have "proof" of some of the "wild claims" that some of you don't believe due to the Essjay debacle:
(IMG:http://img461.imageshack.us/img461/636/pa010001ob0.th.jpg)

There is something odd about that postcard...could it be...4CHAN??? DUN DUN DUN

[jch]

Ryolong clearly seems to be a sock of somebody as they were far too familiar with Wikipedia on their first edits. I'd guess whoever it is set up that account as they thought whichever their other account is might be discredited/mocked if people knew of their interest/obsession with Power rangers.

People on- and off-wikipedia tend to say this quite a bit without thinking it through.

I installed MediaWiki software and ran my own wiki before ever editing on Wikipedia. Other people come from non-English-Wikipedia projects for WMF and are vaguely familiar with the basic parts of Wiki-dom.

Any half-intelligent person can be interested, figure out namespaces, and do a whole lot of reading before ever making an account, even.

[LamontStormstar]

This thread already unfortunately was moved to "editors" so google won't index it.

Also, it's not religion, but people being involved in a certain kind of organization. Like someone involved in PETA or NRA or something and that applied to Danny and Jayjg mainly, though Ryulong did say he had the same religion.

I still think the evidence proves a real life association between Danny and Ryulong. Not necessarily living together despite the same New York ISP, but likely wanting to leave near each other to meet, maybe business related or just some group.

The question might be, why of all people did Ryulong ask Danny to delete my talk page. Why not someone else? Good friends, no doubt. Also, why didn't he have Danny delete my userpage, too?

[Somey]

Also, why didn't he have Danny delete my userpage, too?

Was there any Power Rangers-related content on it?

[Ryulong]

I still think the evidence proves a real life association between Danny and Ryulong. Not necessarily living together despite the same New York ISP, but likely wanting to leave near each other to meet, maybe business related or just some group.

The question might be, why of all people did Ryulong ask Danny to delete my talk page. Why not someone else? Good friends, no doubt. Also, why didn't he have Danny delete my userpage, too?

Verizon is a major Internet service provider in the northeast US that utilizes dynamic IP assignment. I wouldn't be surprised to share my IP address with tons of other editors in the New York metro area who subscribe to Verizon.

I have never met Danny outside of an IRC channel. And I chose him at random. Seriously, these delusions of grandeur are scary. He was there. I asked him to delete it. He obliged. Get over it.

[LamontStormstar]

I have no clue why I'm Lamont's favorite lately.

I started taking notice of you after you deleted my userpage.

I haven't mentioned you for a while before this thread -- it was when I read some stuff people were saying about Danny that was why I started this thread.

[Piperdown]

I still think the evidence proves a real life association between Danny and Ryulong. Not necessarily living together despite the same New York ISP, but likely wanting to leave near each other to meet, maybe business related or just some group.

The question might be, why of all people did Ryulong ask Danny to delete my talk page. Why not someone else? Good friends, no doubt. Also, why didn't he have Danny delete my userpage, too?

Verizon is a major Internet service provider in the northeast US that utilizes dynamic IP assignment. I wouldn't be surprised to share my IP address with tons of other editors in the New York metro area who subscribe to Verizon.

I have never met Danny outside of an IRC channel. And I chose him at random. Seriously, these delusions of grandeur are scary. He was there. I asked him to delete it. He obliged. Get over it.

re: your onamoto = piperdown trick. You're a juvenile powerguppy in a small puddle. And a liar. Have a nice day.

[Joseph100]

Well let's put this to rest finally, Ryulong, old chap, we need your side of the story, will you abide?

I just find it hilarious that LamontStormstar is connecting "OMG THEY'RE JEWS", "OMG THEY'RE FROM NEW YORK", and "OMG THEY'RE IN FLORIDA" to try and make some sort of crazy conspiracy theory in his mind to state that I am the son of any Wikipedia editor, let alone Danny, SlimVirgin, or Jayjg. I've never met these people in life, nor do I even speak to them on Wikipedia (except for the time where I asked Danny to nuke User talk:LamontStormstar after realizing that Lamont only created his user and user talk pages under that name that he connects with his account here).

Unless that mass of text was incomprehensible, here's the summary:

• I am not Danny, SlimVirgin, or Jayjg's son
• I am not Danny, SlimVirgin, or Jayjg
• I am not Danny, SlimVirgin, or Jayjg's family member, gay lover, best friend forever, or something.
• I am, and have always been, male
• The only relative I have who edits Wikipedia (as far as I know) is my younger brother
• I've read WR since early August when it was directed to me that Ionas68224 was posting incomprehensible rants here saying that he was unjustly banned for directly disrupting my RfC
• I don't watch anime (I hate the entirely popular shit that's on Cartoon Network)
• I really go to the University of Miami (I'm sure that my IP's been checked)
• Half the shit Brandt found out about me that's listed in another thread isn't all that determining about my real identity (zomg my first name and birth date) and most of it is already on my user page in some form
• I'm not any higher-up's (actual Wikipedia "hierarchy" or the ones you have all developed) sockpuppet/meatpuppet/unwilling-puppet
• I'm much less important and omnipotent as a bunch of you make me out to be
• lol, lists

And just so you have "proof" of some of the "wild claims" that some of you don't believe due to the Essjay debacle:
(IMG:http://img461.imageshack.us/img461/636/pa010001ob0.th.jpg)
Oh, I was reading Discover Magazine's article about how there's a population boom in jellyfish, which mentioned Nemopilema nomurai, and I saw that someone screwed up the article.

beeeeep...YOUR GUILTY...

I ACCUSE THEE OF THE CRIME OF "SOCKPUPPET"....

EVIDENCE IS FOR COMING THOUGH THE "TEST""ALL PURPOSE, WIKI approved duck test"

SINCE THE HAIRS ON MY NECK ARE NOW STANDING ON END, and since I have a HIGHTEN SENSE OF Forensic grammatical analysis...

I DELCARE YOU A SOCK AND TO BE BANNED!!!!

TOUGH SHIT, STFU and GO WAY DORK....

(just a taste of wiki way) which should give you a warm comforting feeling of home.)

[The Joy]

beeeeep...YOUR GUILTY...

I ACCUSE THEE OF THE CRIME OF "SOCKPUPPET"....

EVIDENCE IS FOR COMING THOUGH THE "TEST""ALL PURPOSE, WIKI approved duck test"

SINCE THE HAIRS ON MY NECK ARE NOW STANDING ON END, and since I have a HIGHTEN SENSE OF Forensic grammatical analysis...

I DELCARE YOU A SOCK AND TO BE BANNED!!!!

TOUGH SHIT, STFU and GO WAY DORK....

(just a taste of wiki way) which should give you a warm comforting feeling of home.)

"We have found a sock, may we ban him?"
"If a Wikipedia editor weighs more than a duck... then that means...... A SOCK! A SOCK!"
(Weighs editor at Check User then runs off to ban him!)

[Proabivouac]

"Ryulong" is, in my experience, probably the most overtly abusive administrator on Wikipedia: one of many examples, he declined Gwen Gale's unblock request after being solicited to do so on IRC, then protected her user talk page on the novel grounds that he was going to sleep. The one time I thought to back him up, partly due to a desire to repair relations, I soon felt obliged to apologize to the person he'd accused.

It's been said that he blocks very many vandals and abusive socks. True. But simply blocking *every* new WP account would probably snag more malefactors than legitimate editors. I appreciate the need for a tough sheriff in town, but shooting straight and avoiding innocent bystanders is part of that job. Ryulong treats Wikipedia as a video game in which most other editors are, if not the centipedes, then the mushrooms. He needs to understand that there are real people involved besides just him.

However, he is certainly not Danny, Danny's son, etc., and the personal details he's provided in this thread are, to my knowledge, correct.

[Kato]

I don't know. In a way, we have to admire an admin so corrupt he actually protected the page Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Ryulong for months to prevent anyone bringing an rfc against him. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/laugh.gif)

Ryulong is simply the Ãœbermensch of the young wikipedia admin class. And long may his powers continue. It makes our work much easier. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/biggrin.gif)

[Joseph100]

"Ryulong" is, in my experience, probably the most overtly abusive administrator on Wikipedia: one of many examples, he declined Gwen Gale's unblock request after being solicited to do so on IRC, then protected her user talk page on the novel grounds that he was going to sleep. The one time I thought to back him up, partly due to a desire to repair relations, I soon felt obliged to apologize to the person he'd accused.

It's been said that he blocks very many vandals and abusive socks. True. But simply blocking *every* new WP account would probably snag more malefactors than legitimate editors. I appreciate the need for a tough sheriff in town, but shooting straight and avoiding innocent bystanders is part of that job. Ryulong treats Wikipedia as a video game in which most other editors are, if not the centipedes, then the mushrooms. He needs to understand that there are real people involved besides just him.

However, he is certainly not Danny, Danny's son, etc., and the personal details he's provided in this thread are, to my knowledge, correct.

BUT..he's a sock, because the "DUCKTEST"

[LamontStormstar]

BUT..he's a sock, because the "DUCKTEST"

But of who?

[Jonny Cache]

"Ryulong" is, in my experience, probably the most overtly abusive administrator on Wikipedia: one of many examples, he declined Gwen Gale's unblock request after being solicited to do so on IRC, then protected her user talk page on the novel grounds that he was going to sleep. The one time I thought to back him up, partly due to a desire to repair relations, I soon felt obliged to apologize to the person he'd accused.

It's been said that he blocks very many vandals and abusive socks. True. But simply blocking *every* new WP account would probably snag more malefactors than legitimate editors. I appreciate the need for a tough sheriff in town, but shooting straight and avoiding innocent bystanders is part of that job. Ryulong treats Wikipedia as a video game in which most other editors are, if not the centipedes, then the mushrooms. He needs to understand that there are real people involved besides just him.

However, he is certainly not Danny, Danny's son, etc., and the personal details he's provided in this thread are, to my knowledge, correct.

The important thing to understand is this — Ryulong is the future of Wikipedia.

S/he breaks all the rules that the others do and more, and s/he breaks them with such a wholly unabashed B.A. DICK attitude that it embarrasses the others that they ever bothered to Φutz around the bush about it.

The fact that s/he has gotten away with the Order of Button Brandishing that s/he has — and for as long as s/he has — is a sure sign that the Wikipedian Dike is now leaking to the point of hemorrhage.

Get thee to an Ark !!!

Jonny (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/cool.gif)

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[The Joy]

The important thing to understand is this — Ryulong is the future of Wikipedia.

S/he breaks all the rules that the others do and more, and s/he breaks them with such a wholly unabashed B.A. DICK attitude that it embarrasses the others that they ever bothered to Φutz around the bush about it.

The fact that s/he has gotten away with the Order of Button Brandishing that s/he has — and for as long as s/he has — is a sure sign that the Wikipedian Dike is now leaking to the point of hemorrhage.

Get thee to an Ark !!!

Jonny (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/cool.gif)

Ryulong is the future and present of WP, unfortunately.

Who will guard the guards?

To get rid of an abusive administrator involves forming a lynch mob (see the resignations of Tony Sidaway and Kelly Martin as admins) as opposed to a Community committee as the real world would demand in a case of police brutality. To ask the police to police themselves is absurd as they are hesitant to condemn one of their own. I don't believe there has been an ArbCom with even one non-admin editor on board.

But there I go again believing that WP will reform itself from within. Believe me when I say that I've almost reached the point that there's nothing WP can do to convince me that it can be saved from its corrupted core. Even if Ryulong does leave (and we can be assured he hasn't come back under another account), there will always more Ryulongs coming to power on WP. Administrators are largely aloof regarding individuals like Ryulong and so far its only been stern warnings to Ryulong about his behavior. Slaps on the wrist for bad and morally corrupt administrators are not enough.

See the violence inherent in the system!

[Joseph100]

The important thing to understand is this — Ryulong is the future of Wikipedia.

S/he breaks all the rules that the others do and more, and s/he breaks them with such a wholly unabashed B.A. DICK attitude that it embarrasses the others that they ever bothered to Φutz around the bush about it.

The fact that s/he has gotten away with the Order of Button Brandishing that s/he has — and for as long as s/he has — is a sure sign that the Wikipedian Dike is now leaking to the point of hemorrhage.

Get thee to an Ark !!!

Jonny (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/cool.gif)

Ryulong is the future and present of WP, unfortunately.

Who will guard the guards?

To get rid of an abusive administrator involves forming a lynch mob (see the resignations of Tony Sidaway and Kelly Martin as admins) as opposed to a Community committee as the real world would demand in a case of police brutality. To ask the police to police themselves is absurd as they are hesitant to condemn one of their own. I don't believe there has been an ArbCom with even one non-admin editor on board.

But there I go again believing that WP will reform itself from within. Believe me when I say that I've almost reached the point that there's nothing WP can do to convince me that it can be saved from its corrupted core. Even if Ryulong does leave (and we can be assured he hasn't come back under another account), there will always more Ryulongs coming to power on WP. Administrators are largely aloof regarding individuals like Ryulong and so far its only been stern warnings to Ryulong about his behavior. Slaps on the wrist for bad and morally corrupt administrators are not enough.

See the violence inherent in the system!

AMEN BROTHER...SING IT OUT.... WIKI IS THE DEVIL's BLOG.... Hallelujah.

PS... For Ryulong... I'm organizing an vandal party soon to have some fun with your and your bud Rob the java bean grower and librarian I'm planning a real nice party... comming soon to the house of wiki....

[Joseph100]

The important thing to understand is this — Ryulong is the future of Wikipedia.

S/he breaks all the rules that the others do and more, and s/he breaks them with such a wholly unabashed B.A. DICK attitude that it embarrasses the others that they ever bothered to Φutz around the bush about it.

The fact that s/he has gotten away with the Order of Button Brandishing that s/he has — and for as long as s/he has — is a sure sign that the Wikipedian Dike is now leaking to the point of hemorrhage.

Get thee to an Ark !!!

Jonny (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/cool.gif)

Ryulong is the future and present of WP, unfortunately.

Who will guard the guards?

To get rid of an abusive administrator involves forming a lynch mob (see the resignations of Tony Sidaway and Kelly Martin as admins) as opposed to a Community committee as the real world would demand in a case of police brutality. To ask the police to police themselves is absurd as they are hesitant to condemn one of their own. I don't believe there has been an ArbCom with even one non-admin editor on board.

But there I go again believing that WP will reform itself from within. Believe me when I say that I've almost reached the point that there's nothing WP can do to convince me that it can be saved from its corrupted core. Even if Ryulong does leave (and we can be assured he hasn't come back under another account), there will always more Ryulongs coming to power on WP. Administrators are largely aloof regarding individuals like Ryulong and so far its only been stern warnings to Ryulong about his behavior. Slaps on the wrist for bad and morally corrupt administrators are not enough.

See the violence inherent in the system!

AMEN BROTHER...SING IT OUT.... WIKI IS THE DEVIL's BLOG.... Hallelujah.

PS... For Ryulong... I'm organizing an vandal party soon to have some fun with you and your bud Rob the java bean grower and librarian I'm planning a real nice party... coming soon to the house of wiki....

With the wiki duck test... I declare thee to be a sock and shall be banned.

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[Proabivouac]

"The important thing to understand is this — Ryulong is the future of Wikipedia."

The way this is going, we can sum up the future of Wikipedia (at least the administrative side) in three words: Internet Relay Chat.

[Ryulong]

Am I really the devil of the internets? And really, the only reason the RFC was protected is because someone decided to create account after account to harass me because of one block. I forgot it had been protected and I didn't do anything horrid that required it being created until recent (apparently).

And the random IRC attack is fun. It like no community website or forum has a place where only the higher ups (or registered members) can read, where discussions are made concerning the site, as well as the random sex joke or two.

I am so glad that I've registered such that I could put a select few onto the "Ignore" list for the occasional read.

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[Kato]

Am I really the devil of the internets?

No, no, no. You are merely Faustus, who has sacrificed his soul to gain power over the sum of human knowledge. And your fate is predictable unless you repent for your misdeeds. Mephistopheles, with whom you arranged this diabolical bargain, and who is the tormentor of us all, is staring at you from my avatar.
-------------
"Oh gentle Faustus, leave this damned art,
This magic, that will charm thy soul to hell,
And quite bereave thee of salvation.
Though thou hast now offended like a man,
Do not persever in it like a devil."

Act 5, Scene 1, Lines 35-39: Old man to Faustus

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[Proabivouac]

Am I really the devil of the internets?

Gee, I don't know, first you restored malicious attacks on my RWI from a notorious banned pseudonymous troll, and blocked my socks which aimed at nothing but to remove them (a morally legitimate use of socks) then you helped out me so that they might resume again.

I don't think you a devil at all. You're a bright young man who does what he thinks right within the rules and context that's presented to him by those who ought to know better. I'm totally open to the idea that you're a decent person. I have to believe that if you understood what you were doing to me, you'd not have done it.

The fault lies with those who handed you these tools, when you were never qualified to use them. Don't get me wrong, you're qualified to do many things. But fucking with people's reputations and lives, you're not. Clearly, you're not aware when you're crossing that line. You need to live longer to figure that out. That's not your fault, is it? It's the fault of those who've handed you the tools, or more accurately fobbed them off on you: they don't wish to take responsibility themselves. When push comes to shove (as it will, sooner or later) they'll say the Foundation is blameless, Jimbo is blameless, we've nothing to do with any of this: "Ryulong" [your name here] is to blame.

[Kato]

Here's where Ryulong reverts a legitimate copyedit of a patently terrible article, simply because the editor who performed the service "abused multiple accounts". (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/laugh.gif)

[everyking]

Here's where Ryulong reverts a legitimate copyedit of a patently terrible article, simply because the editor who performed the service "abused multiple accounts". (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/laugh.gif)

I think that, as a rule, anyone who uses admin powers to damage article content for political reasons should not be an admin. Of course, in Ryulong's case, that's just one reason.

[LamontStormstar]

I think that, as a rule, anyone who uses admin powers to damage article content for political reasons should not be an admin. Of course, in Ryulong's case, that's just one reason.

They only time I think they banned someone as well as desysopped was when the sysop opposed SlimVirgin on something, and Runcorn did that. For other times, they just desysopped.

[guy]

So far as I can tell, Runcorn was doing what he was supposed to do - block genuinely abusive sockpuppets and protect good faith users. His only fault was to protect Newport.

[Jonny Cache]

Here's where Ryulong reverts a legitimate copyedit of a patently terrible article, simply because the editor who performed the service "abused multiple accounts". (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/laugh.gif)

I think that, as a rule, anyone who uses admin powers to damage article content for political reasons should not be an admin. Of course, in Ryulong's case, that's just one reason.

Examples like that can of course be multiplied at will.

I've documented a case where SlimVirgin reverted 3 months worth of steady improvement on the Charles Sanders Peirce article, all without CheckUser evidence, based on a driveby accusation that sockpuppets might be present. She falsely tagged The Tetrast as a sockpuppet, and later had to withdraw the charge, but never undid her vandalism to the article.

But it's a waste of breath talking about this stuff, as there's nobody left on Wikipediot Island who gives a Rat's Ass about the rules anymore.

Time for Phase 2 …

Jonny (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/cool.gif)

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[Castle Rock]

But it's a waste of breath talking about this stuff, as there's nobody left on Wikipediot Island who gives a Rat's Ass about the rules anymore.
Jonny (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/cool.gif)

Or the policies have diverged so far from reality, that actions like you mentioned are the rules now. An example of this is User:SallyForth123, she has tons of block-evading sockpuppets, but only makes helpful edits. Yet someone wants to formalize her ban so they can revert all of her edits without even looking at them. Fortunately, someone shot that idea down, but it's a clear example of their mindset.

[Jonny Cache]

But it's a waste of breath talking about this stuff, as there's nobody left on Wikipediot Island who gives a Rat's Ass about the rules anymore.

Jonny (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/cool.gif)

Or the policies have diverged so far from reality, that actions like you mentioned are the rules now. An example of this is User:SallyForth123, she has tons of block-evading sockpuppets, but only makes helpful edits. Yet someone wants to formalize her ban so they can revert all of her edits without even looking at them. Fortunately, someone shot that idea down, but it's a clear example of their mindset.

It is clear that some kind of value-inversion has taken place, that some ulterior motive, yet to be articulated, has taken precedence over the mission of improving articles.

When I stop to ask myself what kind of mentality might be driving that kind of behaviour, it seems to be a type of Identity Politics (IP-ism). The most important thing has become, not the quality of information, but the source of information, specifically, whether that source is "Of The Body", that is, has signified unquestioning allegiance to the Body Of The Self-Elect Membership (BOTSEM).

The irony of course being that this is the very opposite of the principles that Wikipedia came in with.

But denial of underlying motivation is typically followed by this kind of reversal. The people who stick with Wikipedia, who give up their minds to remain a part of it, are those who came there, not in search of knowledge and truth, but seeking to submerge their personal insecurities in the bosom of groupthink infallibility and hivebound narcissism.

Jonny (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/cool.gif)

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[ColScott]

I swear I posted on this thread slamming Ryulong as the piece of crud he is. Why was I censored? I need to know to learn for the future.

[Nathan]

I was thinking about talking to you about it privately but I was trying to figure out exactly how to do so while still being nice about it.

It's not the point of censoring for the sake of censorship, but the language was completely unnecessary.

I don't care about the attack but please use a little common sense. Since common sense is subjective, well, you know the rest.

[The Joy]

It's not the point of censoring for the sake of censorship, but you posted a blatant personal attack with unnecessary language.

The former is fine as long as you use a little common sense.

There's a common sense way to let Ryulong know he is a worthless fuck who should get hit by a fast moving bus?

You could have said "Ryulong, I take umbrage at your behavior and your actions toward me. Now, shove off!"

I think that would have been acceptable. I don't want references to Greyhound to be banned on WP per Attack Sites.

[Proabivouac]

ColScott, to wish such ill upon another is, at least, unbecoming. "Ryulong" makes mistakes because he's young, though bright perhaps not unusually reflective, and has been negligently handed responsibilities for which he's not yet qualified. What's your excuse?

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[Jonny Cache]

It's hard to talk about a post that I can't see, but wot the hecque …

I'm generally against deleting posts unless they constitute the sort of thing that would bring legal retribution against the whole Review, otherwise, it seems like moving objectionable posts to the tarpit et φeather barrel is the better course.

That's about all I can say without knowing what I'm talking about …

Jonny (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/cool.gif)

[guy]

That's about all I can say without knowing what I'm talking about ?Ǫ

Nonsense - we all know that you can say far more! (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/laugh.gif)

[Piperdown]

ColScott, to wish such ill upon another is, at least, unbecoming. "Ryulong" makes mistakes because he's young, though bright perhaps not unusually reflective, and has been negligently handed responsibilities for which he's not yet qualified. What's your excuse?

""Ryulong" makes mistakes because he's young,"

B.S.

He's past the age of people that are allowed to exercise high-powered munitions in war zones, vote, and handle heavy machinery at high speeds in near proximity to women and children on near collision courses.

Unless he's wikipeding while drunk, he has no excuse for being a lying adult punk.

[LamontStormstar]

You know Wikipedia is headquarted in Florida so it's possible people move there with the intention of being inhouse staff at Wikipedia.

[Ryulong]

Then that would mean I would have some urge to transfer to SFSU or UCSF next semester, wouldn't it? I really couldn't care less about working for the Foundation.

I've wanted to go to UM at least two years before registering for an account at Wikipedia, and where they are headquartered now is too far for a poor college student at one of the southernmost points of the state to commute to and from at any time (Mapquest says that its 4 hours by car, with toll roads). And I'm so sure that they have use for a chemist on the staff.

I don't know why you're dragging this out when I've flatly debunked any theory you could possibly bring up.

[The Joy]

"On the Internet, no one knows that you're Danny's son."

I don't think Ryulong is Danny's son. Couldn't we discuss, you know, Ryulong's administrative incidents?

Honestly, though, I'm not in the mood to tear into Ryulong about his admin duties at the mean-time. I think he's already said what he's going to say about it... at least until next brouhaha if he's not careful.

So, Ryulong, why are you a "Vandal Fighter" when its the role most likely to cause great anger against you? I've never understand what satisfaction Vandal Fighters get just watching the Recent Changes page all day and searching for perhaps a needle in a haystack. I'd go mad after a short time and have to stop editing WP for a long time. I will admit a few years ago, I was greeted by many a giant wang on WP and it seems they've resolved that problem. Is this the work of Vandal Fighters or does some Anti-Wang Bot go around getting rid of them? These are serious questions and I hope you will answer though its your choice whether you wish to or not. It just seems to me that most Vandal Fighters have a... "aggressive" attitude more so than any other Wikipedian. Just an observation.

[Castle Rock]

"On the Internet, no one knows that you're Danny's son."

I don't think Ryulong is Danny's son. Couldn't we discuss, you know, Ryulong's administrative incidents?

Honestly, though, I'm not in the mood to tear into Ryulong about his admin duties at the mean-time. I think he's already said what he's going to say about it... at least until next brouhaha if he's not careful.

So, Ryulong, why are you a "Vandal Fighter" when its the role most likely to cause great anger against you? I've never understand what satisfaction Vandal Fighters get just watching the Recent Changes page all day and searching for perhaps a needle in a haystack. I'd go mad after a short time and have to stop editing WP for a long time. I will admit a few years ago, I was greeted by many a giant wang on WP and it seems they've resolved that problem. Is this the work of Vandal Fighters or does some Anti-Wang Bot go around getting rid of them? These are serious questions and I hope you will answer though its your choice whether you wish to or not. It just seems to me that most Vandal Fighters have a... "aggressive" attitude more so than any other Wikipedian. Just an observation.

I think they whitelisted the really nasty pictures so they just appear as wikilinks when they're put in the wrong places.

[LamontStormstar]

I think they whitelisted the really nasty pictures so they just appear as wikilinks when they're put in the wrong places.

I have noticed the really nasty pictures being put into HTML table code so people can paste large amounts of HTML do it that way. Is there some computer software that people are using to convert images into HTML code? I googled and haven't found anything.

[Castle Rock]

I think they whitelisted the really nasty pictures so they just appear as wikilinks when they're put in the wrong places.

I have noticed the really nasty pictures being put into HTML table code so people can paste large amounts of HTML do it that way. Is there some computer software that people are using to convert images into HTML code? I googled and haven't found anything.

Other than the goatse wikitable (that's my ip by the way) which was listed on some website, I haven't seen any others. There are far funnier pictures than shock images you could do so I am looking to, no luck so far.

[LamontStormstar]

Other than the goatse wikitable

Where did the goatse wikitable come from?

[Castle Rock]

Other than the goatse wikitable

Where did the goatse wikitable come from?

http://www.phpriot.com/5434

[LamontStormstar]

Other than the goatse wikitable

Where did the goatse wikitable come from?

http://www.phpriot.com/5434

That doesn't appear to be the origin, just a listing. It has no story behind it.

[Jonny Cache]

Lamont,

Until you get some more solid evidence to pack into your summer snowballs, could you please stop lobbing Dragon-Squared all these slowpitch softballs!? You know they just eat this stuff up like so much gelato, and all it does is let them use up a whole lot of our valuable airspace without having to face up to any truly hard questions.

Just A Serving Suggestion (JASS) …

Jonny (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/cool.gif)

[The Joy]

Lamont,

Until you get some more solid evidence to pack into your summer snowballs, could you please stop lobbing Dragon-Squared all these slowpitch softballs!? You know they just eat this stuff up like so much gelato, and all it does is let them use up a whole lot of our valuable airspace without having to face up to any truly hard questions.

Just A Serving Suggestion (JASS) …

Jonny (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/cool.gif)

Yes, my attempts at trying to understand Ryulong's reasons for wanting to be a Vandal Fighter, Anti-Vandal Warrior, Specialized Anti-Vandal Soldier (SAS) or whatever MMORPG militaristic term WP's Anti-Everyone-Who-Opposes-Us-Cabal (WP:AEWOUP) have turned into a goatse discussion. Of course, its my own fault for asking about WP's Anti-Wang Operations (WAWO) which may have little to do with Ryulong.

I asked a few months ago about why Vandal Fighters do what they do. Now that one of the most prominent of them has posted here, I thought I could him why he actually enjoys it as it seems tedious and mind-numbing to me.

[Ryulong]

I asked a few months ago about why Vandal Fighters do what they do. Now that one of the most prominent of them has posted here, I thought I could him why he actually enjoys it as it seems tedious and mind-numbing to me.

It is. That's why I spend more time now writing and expanding upon articles, and apparently making fodder for this board to feed off of with administrative actions. The buzz dies when you're reprimanded for doing what you think is right.

[Jonny Cache]

Lamont,

Until you get some more solid evidence to pack into your summer snowballs, could you please stop lobbing Dragon-Squared all these slowpitch softballs!? You know they just eat this stuff up like so much gelato, and all it does is let them use up a whole lot of our valuable airspace without having to face up to any truly hard questions.

Just A Serving Suggestion (JASS) …

Jonny (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/cool.gif)

Yes, my attempts at trying to understand Ryulong's reasons for wanting to be a Vandal Fighter, Anti-Vandal Warrior, Specialized Anti-Vandal Soldier (SAS) or whatever MMORPG militaristic term WP's Anti-Everyone-Who-Opposes-Us-Cabal (WP:AEWOUP) have turned into a goatse discussion. Of course, its my own fault for asking about WP's Anti-Wang Operations (WAWO) which may have little to do with Ryulong.

I asked a few months ago about why Vandal Fighters do what they do. Now that one of the most prominent of them has posted here, I thought I could him why he actually enjoys it as it seems tedious and mind-numbing to me.

Let me recommend that you pick up a DVD of The Manchurian Candidate — the 1962 version with Frank Sinatra, Laurence Harvey, and Janet Leigh is far superior to the 2004 rendition. Your attempts at understanding are undermind from the get-go by the fact that you retain the brainwashing of your time as a Prisoner Of Wikipedia (POW). And you will remain their SlimVirtual WikiPOW until the day when you learn to drop the language that they burned into your brain for descrbing every action, every scene.

Jonny (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/cool.gif)

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[Proabivouac]

The buzz dies when you're reprimanded for doing what you think is right.

In the incidents that I remember most unfondly, two (at least) seemed to based on solicitations via IRC. The trouble there is that you can do what think is right, yet still get it completely wrong because other people have framed the issue in a prejudicial manner. In both instances, it seems you made no attempt - well, you actually refused - to discuss what was going on with the editors you were blocking. The impression I got was one of administrative meatpuppetry. Obviously, your pseud isn't likely to be held accountable for anything, but if fewer hard feelings is what you're after, for heaven's sake, stay off IRC.

[Jonny Cache]

I asked a few months ago about why Vandal Fighters do what they do. Now that one of the most prominent of them has posted here, I thought I could [ask] him why he actually enjoys it as it seems tedious and mind-numbing to me.

It is. That's why I spend more time now writing and expanding upon articles, and apparently making fodder for this board to feed off of with administrative actions. The buzz dies when you're reprimanded for doing what you think is right.

The child is fodder to the man.

Someday, if you're lucky, you'll get banned for doing what you think is right, and then you'll be here with us rolling stones.

We love your bran of fodder, Ryulong, the way that Letterman loved Quayle's. It's because you do with Bruté boldness what all those sleek-headed Admins do with sneaky subtlety, and it makes our job so much easier to have a Wiking Boy like you to kick around.

So — Party On, Dude !!!

Jonny (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/cool.gif)

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[dtobias]

Someday, if you're lucky, you'll get banned for doing what you think is right, and then you'll be here with us rolling stones.

But when you're rolling stones, you can't get no satisfaction... and you can't always get what you want!

[Jonny Cache]

Someday, if you're lucky, you'll get banned for doing what you think is right, and then you'll be here with us rolling stones.

But when you're rolling stones, you can't get no satisfaction … and you can't always get what you want!

Yes, but you will know how it F-E-E-E-L-S to be ON YOUR OWN …

And there's a peace of mind in that …

Jonny (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/cool.gif)

[Somey]

It is. That's why I spend more time now writing and expanding upon articles, and apparently making fodder for this board to feed off of with administrative actions. The buzz dies when you're reprimanded for doing what you think is right.

Hang on, though. Which one is it? You scaled back your "anti-vandal" activities because they were tedious, or because someone unfairly reprimanded you?

Personally, I couldn't imagine going for longer than 30 minutes doing that stuff before I started putting sarcastic quips in the edit summaries. I tried it a couple times on Uncyclopedia, actually... Of course, there you're encouraged to put sarcastic quips in the edit summaries... in fact, it's practically an art form. If one is constrained from doing that, then what's the point, even? I'd actually rather leave the vandalism in place.