It's that time again!, Time for 2011 arbcom elections. Options

[that one guy]

I think the topic says it all, but the default questions they have for the candidates this year are particularly good from my view.

[thekohser]

Thank you for not utilizing the "Insert Link" feature of the message board, so that none of us need to waste any of our time looking at this big game of charades that you refer to.

[Michaeldsuarez]

Thank you for not utilizing the "Insert Link" feature of the message board, so that none of us need to waste any of our time looking at this big game of charades that you refer to.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arb...2011/Candidates

Here's a link to the candidates. The nomination process is still ongoing, so we can expect more candidates to sign up. Most of the current candidates' usernames should be familiar. Coren, Kirill Lokshin, and Risker are incumbents, while Hersfold is a former Arbitrator. AGK, Courcelles, Geni, and Hot Stop are also running.

Here's a link to those general questions "that one guy" mentioned:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arb...estions/General

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[radek]

Thank you for not utilizing the "Insert Link" feature of the message board, so that none of us need to waste any of our time looking at this big game of charades that you refer to.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arb...2011/Candidates

Here's a link to the candidates. The nomination process is still ongoing, so we can expect more candidates to sign up. Most of the current candidates' usernames should be familiar. Coren, Kirill Lokshin, and Risker are incumbents, while Hersfold is a former Arbitrator. AGK, Courcelles, Geni, and Hot Stop are also running.

Here's a link to those general questions "that one guy" mentioned:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arb...estions/General

Lol, Geni is the person who thought that Vice-Presidents of the United States are not subject to fixed terms (among some other nonsense). And he says he's been de-admined three times. Not sure what the story with that one is.

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[Michaeldsuarez]

Lol, Geni is the person who thought that Vice-Presidents of the United States are not subject to fixed terms (among some other nonsense). And he says he's been de-admined three times. Not sure what the story with that one is.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...age=User%3AGeni

Are you sure he or she was desysopped three times? The log suggests that Geni was only desysopped once. Geni had four RfA's, and only two of them were successful. The sequence of events as I see it goes as follows:

1. First RfA results in Geni becoming a sysop.
2. Geni loses he or her sysop rights.
3. Second RfA fails.
4. Third RfA fails.
5. Fourth RfA results in Geni becoming a sysop for a second time.

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[thekohser]

Lol, Geni is the person who thought that Vice-Presidents of the United States are not subject to fixed terms (among some other nonsense).

What country do you live in? VPs in the United States could serve for 60 years, if they wanted.

[radek]

Lol, Geni is the person who thought that Vice-Presidents of the United States are not subject to fixed terms (among some other nonsense).

What country do you live in? VPs in the United States could serve for 60 years, if they wanted.

Term limits vs. fixed terms (yes there was some confusion on terminology in that discussion). I think (not 100% sure) that the term is still fixed at four years, though technically a VP can hold as many of these as they wish.

Anyway, the practical implications of all that is what? Last I checked Hubert Humphrey was no longer VP.

Lol, Geni is the person who thought that Vice-Presidents of the United States are not subject to fixed terms (among some other nonsense). And he says he's been de-admined three times. Not sure what the story with that one is.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...age=User%3AGeni

Are you sure he or she was desysopped three times? The log suggests that Geni was only desysopped once. Geni had four RfA's, and only two of them were successful. The sequence of events as I see it goes as follows:

1. First RfA results in Geni becoming a sysop.
2. Geni loses he or her sysop rights.
3. Second RfA fails.
4. Third RfA fails.
5. Fourth RfA results in Geni becoming a sysop for a second time.

It's what s/he claimed: "I've been de-admined 3 times that I can recall."

How did s/he loose'em first time?

Edit:
Ah, one of these other times was probably the temporary desysop by Jimbo, which preceded the official de-sysop by ArbCom. So this is the fella that was restoring Daniel's article.

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[Michaeldsuarez]

It's what s/he claimed: "I've been de-admined 3 times that I can recall."

How did s/he loose'em first time?

Edit:
Ah, one of these other times was probably the temporary desysop by Jimbo, which preceded the official de-sysop by ArbCom. So this is the fella that was restoring Daniel's article.

I guess you're right. That means a part of Geni's user rights log is missing, is located elsewhere, or is hidden from the public.

I guess the the following were the restorations that had him or her desysopped:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...e=Daniel_Brandt

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[EricBarbour]

Are you sure he or she was desysopped three times? The log suggests that Geni was only desysopped once. Geni had four RfA's, and only two of them were successful. The sequence of events as I see it goes as follows:[list=1]
[*]First RfA results in Geni becoming a sysop.
[*]Geni loses he or her sysop rights.
[*]Second RfA fails.
[*]Third RfA fails.
[*]Fourth RfA results in Geni becoming a sysop for a second time.

It doesn't matter how many times he was desysopped or not.

Geni is one of the most evil, destructive insiders they've ever had.
He used several socks to deliberately revert thousands of edits,
some bad, some good. This, in addition to harassing Daniel Brandt,
and even Jimbo himself.

And he obviously did it for kicks. Look thru this for some examples.

If they put him on Arbcom, you can thereafter be assured that Arbcom,
and the entire admin system, is utterly corrupt.

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[Michaeldsuarez]

It doesn't matter how many times he was desysopped or not.

Geni is one of the most evil, destructive insiders they've ever had.
He used several socks to deliberately revert thousands of edits,
some bad, some good. This, in addition to harassing Daniel Brandt,
and even Jimbo himself.

And he obviously did it for kicks. Look thru this for some examples.

If they put him on Arbcom, you can thereafter be assured that Arbcom,
and the entire admin system, is utterly corrupt.

Here's how Geni is attempting to justify those accounts:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=461057444

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[thekohser]

If they put him on Arbcom, you can thereafter be assured that Arbcom,
and the entire admin system, is utterly corrupt.

Geni for ArbCom!

[Jaranda]

The candidates were kinda expected, with one newish user who's has no chance so that doesn't count. The only surprise candidate is Geni but he's digging himself a huge hole with all those socks he's exposing. An instantly blocked 2006 account called User:Arbcom Candidate ???

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[-DS-]

Oh bloody heck not Coren again.

[A Horse With No Name]

Oh bloody heck not Coren again.

Hell, any guy who can make a living by publishing photos of naked Montreal women has my votes. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/evilgrin.gif)

[The Joy]

Oh bloody heck not Coren again.

Hell, any guy who can make a living by publishing photos of naked Montreal women has my votes. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/evilgrin.gif)

Coren is the one that helps maintain a website featuring stories about bestiality. There might be naked Montreal women, but they ain't mating with humans. Oh... wait.... now I see why you like Coren! (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/smile.gif)

[Michaeldsuarez]

Incumbent Jclemens and a sysop named "Worm That Turned" are now running.

[tarantino]

Geni for ArbCom!

Yes. The people who edit wp but can't spell or write should have a representative on arbcom.

Here is a slide show Geni narrated in 2006 where he argued that voting in arbcom elections is important.

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[Michaeldsuarez]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arb..._Michaeldsuarez

I asked Geni several questions. The answers are interesting.

I'm planning to ask some more questions. Does anyone have any suggestions?

[radek]

Geni for ArbCom!

Yes. The people who edit wp but can't spell or write should have a representative on arbcom.

Here is a slide show Geni narrated in 2006 where he argued that voting in arbcom elections is important.

Heh heh. "The Arbitration Committee are the final line" - wait how many committees are we voting for here and can all of them really be the final line simultaneously?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arb..._Michaeldsuarez

I asked Geni several questions. The answers are interesting.

I'm planning to ask some more questions. Does anyone have any suggestions?

Sigh, in cases like these after a certain point I start feeling bad for the person involved, no matter how much they deserve it.

[EricBarbour]

Can you please describe how you've changed since you were desysopped in 2007?

A: Well I've got slightly better at walking away. At the same time the foundation and the various upper echelons of wikipedia have become a lot more professional which means a lot of the grey areas that I tended to get caught in have become a lot more settled.©Geni 22:59, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, it's gotten a little more "professional", in that assholes like Geni are no longer trying
to harass their critics (openly anyway), Daniel Brandt being only the most infamous example.

Things are quieter mostly because SV, Jayjg, Guy, JoshuaZ, Durova, and several others
are kinda scarce these days--because they were caught doing dirt to people. Not for lack
of desire to screw somebody over.

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[~DC]

What a crappy bunch of candidates. I can only hope someone comes forward to shake shit up.

[~DC]

What a crappy bunch of candidates. I can only hope someone comes forward to shake shit up.

NWA! Now that's what I'm talking about

[radek]

What a crappy bunch of candidates. I can only hope someone comes forward to shake shit up.

NWA! Now that's what I'm talking about

He does talk a good game.

[Michaeldsuarez]

Incumbent Roger Davies, sysop Eluchil404, and former sysop DeltaQuad are now running.

[Peter Damian]

Interesting Vandenberg not running. His term is up, no? Did he just have enough? Can't blame him, if so.

[radek]

Interesting Vandenberg not running. His term is up, no? Did he just have enough? Can't blame him, if so.

Looking at the eligibility criteria:

(i) has a registered account and has had at least 150 mainspace edits by 1 November 2011.
(ii) meets the Wikimedia Foundation's criteria for access to non-public data or confirms in their election statement they will fully comply with the criteria.[note]
(iii) has disclosed any alternate accounts in their election statements (legitimate accounts which have been declared to the Arbitration Committee prior to the close of nominations need not be publicly disclosed).

I see nothing in there about a nominee being in "good standing", i.e. not currently indef blocked. I also see nothing in there about someone being nominated by someone else. I believe both Greg and Peter fulfill
these criteria (though Greg might run afoul of ii) if he wants to keep his current accounts active). You guys should go for it. Horsey too.

[Peter Damian]

Interesting Vandenberg not running. His term is up, no? Did he just have enough? Can't blame him, if so.

Looking at the eligibility criteria:

(i) has a registered account and has had at least 150 mainspace edits by 1 November 2011.
(ii) meets the Wikimedia Foundation's criteria for access to non-public data or confirms in their election statement they will fully comply with the criteria.[note]
(iii) has disclosed any alternate accounts in their election statements (legitimate accounts which have been declared to the Arbitration Committee prior to the close of nominations need not be publicly disclosed).

I see nothing in there about a nominee being in "good standing", i.e. not currently indef blocked. I also see nothing in there about someone being nominated by someone else. I believe both Greg and Peter fulfill
these criteria (though Greg might run afoul of ii) if he wants to keep his current accounts active). You guys should go for it. Horsey too.

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:ACE2011 for the 'good standing' bit. I had thought of standing this year and I suspect this is why Arbcom refused to lift the block, despite (like months ago) earlier having agreed an unblock.

I'm particularly bitter about that, especially about cowardy-custards like Vandenberg who love to talk the talk but cannot walk the walk. Same goes for Iri and 'Cool hand'.

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[thekohser]

(though Greg might run afoul of ii)

Yes, I'm not interested in disclosing my numerous sockpuppet accounts that are actively engaged on Wikipedia.

[radek]

Interesting Vandenberg not running. His term is up, no? Did he just have enough? Can't blame him, if so.

Looking at the eligibility criteria:

(i) has a registered account and has had at least 150 mainspace edits by 1 November 2011.
(ii) meets the Wikimedia Foundation's criteria for access to non-public data or confirms in their election statement they will fully comply with the criteria.[note]
(iii) has disclosed any alternate accounts in their election statements (legitimate accounts which have been declared to the Arbitration Committee prior to the close of nominations need not be publicly disclosed).

I see nothing in there about a nominee being in "good standing", i.e. not currently indef blocked. I also see nothing in there about someone being nominated by someone else. I believe both Greg and Peter fulfill
these criteria (though Greg might run afoul of ii) if he wants to keep his current accounts active). You guys should go for it. Horsey too.

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:ACE2011 for the 'good standing' bit. I had thought of standing this year and I suspect this is why Arbcom refused to lift the block, despite (like months ago) earlier having agreed an unblock.

I'm particularly bitter about that, especially about cowardy-custards like Vandenberg who love to talk the talk but cannot walk the walk. Same goes for Iri and 'Cool hand'.

Hmm, then why didn't they put that in on the other page?

[Peter Damian]

Hmm, then why didn't they put that in on the other page?

I wonder if you can choose which page? Then we're in business. But how do I nominate myself?

[SB_Johnny]

Hmm, then why didn't they put that in on the other page?

I wonder if you can choose which page? Then we're in business. But how do I nominate myself?

Request unblock so you can run for arbcom? (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/laugh.gif)

[Ego Trippin' (Part Two)]

The fact that DeltaQuad is running (and therefore is apparently an adult) surprises me. He's the type who spends all his time robotically playing Whack-a-Mole with sockpuppets, and based on what I've seen, I thought he was a 16-year-old Aspie for sure. In that context, this part of his statement amuses me:

Without the human factor I might as well be a programed bot run on the toolserver. (I’m speaking sarcastically of course) But with the addition of humanity, I think there comes an understanding of what happens.

I give him credit for boldly framing himself as the "human candidate," despite being one of Wikipedia's most robotic admins. An equally bold maneuver was giving up his admin tools (five months after passing RfA, and one month before the election) for a whole month so he could claim to be learning "to understand the position of a non-admin again." What a crock! There will be plenty of people on Wikipedia who lap it up, though.

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[carbuncle]

The fact that DeltaQuad is running (and therefore is apparently an adult) surprises me. He's the type who spends all his time robotically playing Whack-a-Mole with sockpuppets, and based on what I've seen, I thought he was a 16-year-old Aspie for sure.

DeltaQuad seems to be very interested in sockpuppets, while having little to no ability to discern them. A recent example.

[Jaranda]

Nominations now closed with SilkTork (who I consider to be a very strong candidate), Maxim, and Panyd running.

[mbz1]

Nominations now closed with SilkTork (who I consider to be a very strong candidate), Maxim, and Panyd running.

Could you please elaborate why you consider SilkTork to be a very strong candidate?

[EricBarbour]

How charming. They've got FIVE of their most disgusting patrollers -- AGK, Courcelles, DeltaQuad,
Geni, Hersfold -- running for Arbcom. Plus four people who do nothing but use Wikipedia as a
private Facebook. The remainder are gnomes who use bots to mess with formatting (SilkTork included).
Very few of the candidates have actually written and finished any articles.

It's broken, the whole thing is fucked. That's all I can say.

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[that one guy]

Final list:
1 AGK (CU/OS, AUSC Member)
2 Coren (i)
3 Courcelles (CU/OS, AUSC Member)
4 DeltaQuad (Former Admin)
5 Eluchil404
6 Geni
7 Hersfold (CU/OS, Former Arb)
8 Hot Stop (Non-Admin)
9 Jclemens (i)
10 Kirill Lokshin (i)
11 Kww
12 Maxim (Crat)
13 NWA.Rep (Non-Admin)
14 Panyd
15 Risker (i)
16 Roger Davies (i)
17 SilkTork
18 Worm That Turned

Cool Hand Luke, John Vandenberg, and Mailer Diablo are the only sitting arbs that aren't running again. There are 3 non-admins (one of which is former), 3 users with CU/OS that aren't currently sitting (2 of which are involved with ArbCom already, one who is a former arb), and one crat that isn't sitting in the running.

[melloden]

Final list:
1 AGK (CU/OS, AUSC Member)
2 Coren (i)
3 Courcelles (CU/OS, AUSC Member)
4 DeltaQuad (Former Admin)
5 Eluchil404
6 Geni
7 Hersfold (CU/OS, Former Arb)
8 Hot Stop (Non-Admin)
9 Jclemens (i)
10 Kirill Lokshin (i)
11 Kww
12 Maxim (Crat)
13 NWA.Rep (Non-Admin)
14 Panyd
15 Risker (i)
16 Roger Davies (i)
17 SilkTork
18 Worm That Turned

Cool Hand Luke, John Vandenberg, and Mailer Diablo are the only sitting arbs that aren't running again. There are 3 non-admins (one of which is former), 3 users with CU/OS that aren't currently sitting (2 of which are involved with ArbCom already, one who is a former arb), and one crat that isn't sitting in the running.

Interesting.

Panyd is nice but I don't think she's stable enough for ArbCom...

I was under the impression that DeltaQuad was a child.

I'm expecting Courcelles to be a shoo-in. Risker, Roger, Coren all have good chances as incumbents.

[carbuncle]

Interesting.

Panyd is nice but I don't think she's stable enough for ArbCom...

I was under the impression that DeltaQuad was a child.

DeltaQuad is young, but likely over 18. Gratuitous outing link number one & number two.

[Ottava]

Here are those I wont mind seeing get in (in alphabetical order):

Hersfold, Panyd, and SilkTork

I think the rest are a crap shoot.