Sue Gardner's world tour Options

[RMHED]

At a minimum she could take some pictures of some of these places in Poland, India, and wherever else she travels to, upload them to Commons (or have her assistant do it after he finishes filling-out their travel reimbursement paperwork), and add the pictures to the appropriate articles.

Poland is looking more and more like the next WMF oursource after India. Wikia has long been there, and WMF has checked them out with a Wikimania in July, 2010. Now, Sue goes there again at the end of the year. That's a lot of attention.

If Jimmy has any say it'll be somewhere in Eastern Europe, where the booze is cheap and so are the hookers.

[Milton Roe]

Sue Gardner, the female CEO of the foundation responsible for it, couldn't care less about editing the thing.

Which goes to show that the Asshead Queen is smarter than all her Wiki-Pushees put together.

But you shoulda known that already, Flakey …

Jon

Now, now. Try to separate the content from the people who lord it over the content. Very little Good Stuff on WP actually gets oversighted out of existence. It's all there in the manure pile or tailings or placer deposit, just waiting for the grubbers of the future to take advantage of it. Even when overwritten, it's more accessable to the average person than a really good book of 30 years ago, that is now out of print and exists only in a few library basements (and not yet on Google Books).

Patience. This is a process. Even in sewage treatment there comes a point when the product is safe to drink, except you can't find anybody who wants to drink it. Yet progress is still undeniable. People in desperate circumstances COULD drink it, and remain healthy. It's not Evian but it's far better than nothing.

Ah, Milton, the Snow-Blind Wonder, the Jimbo Jesuit, for whom no atrocity can take the shine off the Greater Glory Of Glop.
Jon

Sure, sure. If I have a different opinon about the value WP's content that you do, it must be because I'm a follower and religious fanatic. It couldn't ever be that I simply took a look at the same data, and came to a different and better conclusion. Because that would mean that in this case I'm just smarter than you are.

[Jon Awbrey]

Sue Gardner, the female CEO of the foundation responsible for it, couldn't care less about editing the thing.

Which goes to show that the Asshead Queen is smarter than all her Wiki-Pushees put together.

But you shoulda known that already, Flakey …

Jon

Now, now. Try to separate the content from the people who lord it over the content. Very little Good Stuff on WP actually gets oversighted out of existence. It's all there in the manure pile or tailings or placer deposit, just waiting for the grubbers of the future to take advantage of it. Even when overwritten, it's more accessable to the average person than a really good book of 30 years ago, that is now out of print and exists only in a few library basements (and not yet on Google Books).

Patience. This is a process. Even in sewage treatment there comes a point when the product is safe to drink, except you can't find anybody who wants to drink it. Yet progress is still undeniable. People in desperate circumstances COULD drink it, and remain healthy. It's not Evian but it's far better than nothing.

Ah, Milton, the Snow-Blind Wonder, the Jimbo Jesuit, for whom no atrocity can take the shine off the Greater Glory Of Glop.

Jon

Sure, sure. If I have a different opinon about the value WP's content that you do, it must be because I'm a follower and religious fanatic. It couldn't ever be that I simply took a look at the same data, and came to a different and better conclusion. Because that would mean that in this case I'm just smarter than you are.

I guess I'll have to go with that first thing …

Jon

[Cla68]

At a minimum she could take some pictures of some of these places in Poland, India, and wherever else she travels to, upload them to Commons (or have her assistant do it after he finishes filling-out their travel reimbursement paperwork), and add the pictures to the appropriate articles.

Poland is looking more and more like the next WMF oursource after India. Wikia has long been there, and WMF has checked them out with a Wikimania in July, 2010. Now, Sue goes there again at the end of the year. That's a lot of attention.

It probably would be cheaper for the Foundation to be based in Poland, as long as they didn't bear the cost of moving most of its San Francisco-based employees and their families over there, then paying to send their kids to private English-language schools in Warsaw or wherever. If the WMF isn't going to follow my advice and move to Fresno to save operating costs, then perhaps they will go to Poland.

[EricBarbour]

It probably would be cheaper for the Foundation to be based in Poland, as long as they didn't bear the cost of moving most of its San Francisco-based employees and their families over there, then paying to send their kids to private English-language schools in Warsaw or wherever. If the WMF isn't going to follow my advice and move to Fresno to save operating costs, then perhaps they will go to Poland.

Don't kid yourself. If Susie and her slaves ever move somewhere, it will be to NYC,
so they can hobnob with the Social Register crowd.

Moving the servers and support staff to Poland, now that's a winner....cheaper Polish
workers means more money for Susie and Erik.

What's really interesting to me: all these former employees who left under a "cloud"
or for some other not-happy reason. (other than Larry Sanger, who is in this other
thread.) Godwin, Mike Snow, Brad Patrick, and probably several lower-down people that
I'm forgetting.
Not a single one of them has written a tell-all about the WMF's demented internal
operations. Why is that?

[Jon Awbrey]

What's really interesting to me: all these former employees who left under a "cloud" or for some other not-happy reason. (other than Larry Sanger, who is in this other thread.) Godwin, Mike Snow, Brad Patrick, and probably several lower-down people that I'm forgetting.

Not a single one of them has written a tell-all about the WMF's demented internal operations. Why is that?

I couldn't find exactly the right icon, but maybe this will give you a clue:

☂

Jon

[thekohser]

Just a quick note: Sue Gardner doesn't own a television set.

[anthony]

Just a quick note: Sue Gardner doesn't own a television set.

"The iPad is like a TV or a radio, in that it's designed for consuming corporate-made media"

Huh? I've only used the iPad a few times, at my sister's house, so maybe I'm missing something.

[Milton Roe]

It probably would be cheaper for the Foundation to be based in Poland, as long as they didn't bear the cost of moving most of its San Francisco-based employees and their families over there, then paying to send their kids to private English-language schools in Warsaw or wherever. If the WMF isn't going to follow my advice and move to Fresno to save operating costs, then perhaps they will go to Poland.

Don't kid yourself. If Susie and her slaves ever move somewhere, it will be to NYC,
so they can hobnob with the Social Register crowd.

Moving the servers and support staff to Poland, now that's a winner....cheaper Polish
workers means more money for Susie and Erik.

What's really interesting to me: all these former employees who left under a "cloud"
or for some other not-happy reason. (other than Larry Sanger, who is in this other
thread.) Godwin, Mike Snow, Brad Patrick, and probably several lower-down people that
I'm forgetting.
Not a single one of them has written a tell-all about the WMF's demented internal
operations. Why is that?

Possiblities:

[1] Personal embarassment
[2] Unwillingness to throw good time after bad

Not even Jon Krakauer could turn the follies at WMF into the next Into Thin Air. And if he did, it wouldn't make much money anyway. If you want three stooges comedies about nitwits and toxic people doing lamebrain or nasty things to to each other, there's always reality TV, where it's even worse, and in color. And requires next to no effort from the consumer to understand.

I would like Godwin, Sanger, etc. to write up and post an official blog entry before they forget or die, just for history's sake. Maybe on Greg's site. But not, of course, with the expectation that they'll get anything from it but historical revenge.

[Alison]

Just a quick note: Sue Gardner doesn't own a television set.

"The iPad is like a TV or a radio, in that it's designed for consuming corporate-made media"

Then she's really going to hate the Wikipedia App for iPad Srsly; "designed for consuming corporate-made media"?? Hardly

[Ottava]

Just a quick note: Sue Gardner doesn't own a television set.

"The iPad is like a TV or a radio, in that it's designed for consuming corporate-made media"

Then she's really going to hate the Wikipedia App for iPad Srsly; "designed for consuming corporate-made media"?? Hardly

Sounds delicious.

[EricBarbour]

Just a quick note: Sue Gardner doesn't own a television set.

"The iPad is like a TV or a radio, in that it's designed for consuming corporate-made media"

Sue, you ignorant slut.

What about pirate radio? Have you read your own damn "encyclopedia" about it??

What about low-power FM stations?

What about shortwave radios?



This post has been edited by EricBarbour: Thu 27th January 2011, 7:33am

[anthony]

Just a quick note: Sue Gardner doesn't own a television set.

"The iPad is like a TV or a radio, in that it's designed for consuming corporate-made media"

Then she's really going to hate the Wikipedia App for iPad Srsly; "designed for consuming corporate-made media"?? Hardly

Apple must have snubbed the WMF recently or something. Or maybe just snubbed Wales, and Gardner is trying to play copycat.

“It’s like spending a lot of money on a new car and the manufacturer dictating who you can and can’t have as a passenger in it,” Wales said about Apple´s stance on apps for it´s online store.

Ah, probably something about the app store. (I mean, yeah, he's right, the app policy is why I have an Android phone, and why I'm holding out for an Android tablet, but Wales didn't seem to have any problem with it until recently.)

Last year a developer uploaded an unofficial application containing the controversial WikiLeaks diplomacy cables to Apple’s App Store.

While it was initially approved, Apple followed in the footsteps of Mastercard and Amazon in distancing themselves from the storm by removing the application.

http://swns.com/wikipedia-founder-jimmy-wa...net-140918.html

Ah, that explains it, I guess. She must be taking the position that Assange is a journalist. Or maybe, giving her the benefit of the doubt, that if Apple can ban Wikileaks without a trial, then they could do it to real journalists - which, I suppose, is quite true.

Still, "like a TV or a radio, in that it's designed for consuming corporate-made media" is just ridiculous. To the extent the iPad was "designed for consuming corporate-made media", so was DSL, so was the cablemodem.

Unless I'm missing something.

This post has been edited by anthony: Thu 27th January 2011, 2:17pm

[anthony]

"The iPad is like a TV or a radio, in that it's designed for consuming corporate-made media"

Then she's really going to hate the Wikipedia App for iPad Srsly; "designed for consuming corporate-made media"?? Hardly

Maybe Sue remembers that Wikipedia itself has conspired with corporate media to cover up news stories.

In fact, considering the "reliable source" and "no original research" rules, and how they are used by Wikipedia to keep non-corporate-sanctioned news out, I guess it's 100% accurate to say that Wikipedia was quite literally "designed for consuming corporate-made media".

This post has been edited by anthony: Thu 27th January 2011, 2:52pm

[Cedric]

Just a quick note: Sue Gardner doesn't own a television set.

"Damned Canadian hippie!"

[Lar]

Sue, you ignorant slut.

Is that really necessary? I'm not sure either of those labels are fact, so why bother. It just brings the place down.

Let the facts stand for themselves without the gratutious insults. Eric, you can write with a very acid pen without copping out that way. So do it.

[EricBarbour]

I dood it! I dood it to get her attention.........

This post has been edited by EricBarbour: Sat 29th January 2011, 11:52pm

[Somey]

Is that really necessary? I'm not sure either of those labels are fact, so why bother. It just brings the place down.

Well... it definitely was an ignorant thing for her to say, and insulting to all the people who participate in community-based volunteer activities in TV and radio. Presumably Sue wants to make those people feel bad for not participating in what she wants them to participate in - namely, Wikimedia-owned products - and that makes her a selfish woman also. So, given selfish + ignorant, and some of the outfits we've seen her wearing, not to mention the whole Wikipedia CEO thing... Obviously there's an inappropriate sexist connotation to the word "slut," but let's not forget that women can be intelligent, witty, attractive, and highly competent professionally, and still have a tendency towards aggressive sexual behavior, not to mention a terrible fashion sense. It doesn't necessarily make those women bad people, though admittedly it might make them baaaad, baaaad, baaaaaaaad people.

I should, at least, say that my general opinion of Canadians has risen significantly over the last 6 months, for various reasons I'd prefer not to go into at the moment. So that's actually something in her favor, IMO.

[Alison]

Is that really necessary? I'm not sure either of those labels are fact, so why bother. It just brings the place down.

Well... it definitely was an ignorant thing for her to say, and insulting to all the people who participate in community-based volunteer activities in TV and radio. Presumably Sue wants to make those people feel bad for not participating in what she wants them to participate in - namely, Wikimedia-owned products - and that makes her a selfish woman also. So, given selfish + ignorant, and some of the outfits we've seen her wearing, not to mention the whole Wikipedia CEO thing... Obviously there's an inappropriate sexist connotation to the word "slut," but let's not forget that women can be intelligent, witty, attractive, and highly competent professionally, and still have a tendency towards aggressive sexual behavior, not to mention a terrible fashion sense. It doesn't necessarily make those women bad people, though admittedly it might make them baaaad, baaaad, baaaaaaaad people.

I should, at least, say that my general opinion of Canadians has risen significantly over the last 6 months, for various reasons I'd prefer not to go into at the moment. So that's actually something in her favor, IMO.

So, Somey, when exactly did Sue Gardner exhibit "a tendency towards aggressive sexual behavior"?

<facepalm>

[Somey]

So, Somey, when exactly did Sue Gardner exhibit "a tendency towards aggressive sexual behavior"?

I didn't say she did - in fact, I have no idea. All I meant was that a sexist epithet like "slut," while offensive and generally inappropriate for most social gatherings, doesn't necessarily imply stupidity, incompetence, or ugliness. I'm not defending anyone's use of the term, though - certainly I wish people wouldn't use it here or anywhere else. I'm just saying it's a term with a fairly specific meaning, and I'm also saying that Sue Gardner has got to quit wearing those black thigh-high stockings.