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Posted by: melloden
Probably going to pass this time, but is this a good thing? Meh.
Posted by: Herschelkrustofsky
It's generally best to provide a courtesy link.
Posted by: Alison
QUOTE(Herschelkrustofsky @ Sat 1st January 2011, 9:21pm) 
It's generally best to provide a courtesy link.
Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Ironholds 5
Posted by: Ottava
He has my support or would if I could support him.
I promised not to start this thread here as that might have been a kiss of death, but with 65 supports it doesn't matter anymore. 
Posted by: Theanima
That would be 'Ironholds' and the 7th, not 6th, attempt. Has anyone else had any more RFAs, or is this a record?
Posted by: taiwopanfob
QUOTE(Alison @ Sun 2nd January 2011, 5:33am)
QUOTE(Herschelkrustofsky @ Sat 1st January 2011, 9:21pm)
It's generally best to provide a courtesy link.
Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Ironholds 5
It is a boring January 2, 2011. I know this is true because I am reading RFA's at Wikipedia...
As I type, there is one oppose, but what a doozer! A certain "Colonel Warden" undertook some analysis of Ironholds' behavior and found it desperately wanting. The key conclusion being "Ironholds is impatient and intolerant of work which does not meet his own high standards. This makes him a good editor but a poor administrator."
The "Chase Me ladies, I'm the cavalry" (CMLITC) joker -- who was one of IH's first supporters -- challenges this conclusion, but only makes it worse: CW suggests that even late behavior from IH remains consistent with his conclusion. Oops!
My own view is that IH should be given the bit, as this will most certainly Hasten The Day™.
A few more comments:
1. A number of the support votes are from people that can only be called personal friends of the candidate, brief they may be. Dare one mention "COI"? Have these people no shame at all?
2. Similarly, but more seriously, we have the support of CMLITC. This yahoo voted while being a sitting member of ArbCom -- note that his tenure began 00:00 Jan 1, 2011. Now, one might be able to say of the masses of Wikipediots that they would naturally vote for their friends and against their enemies, regardless of the merits ... but surely, an ArbCom member knows better than to compromise his own position in this manner?
Posted by: Kelly Martin
QUOTE(Theanima @ Sun 2nd January 2011, 8:43am)
That would be 'Ironholds' and the 7th, not 6th, attempt. Has anyone else had any more RFAs, or is this a record?
Posted by: Heat
Wow! CMLIMTC was elected to Arbcom? I didn't realize being an ignorant moron was a prerequisite for Arbcom these days.
Posted by: Ottava
QUOTE(Heat @ Sun 2nd January 2011, 1:59pm)
Wow! CMLIMT was elected to Arbcom? I didn't realize being an ignorant moron was a prerequisite for Arbcom these days.
So, I take it you've never paid attention to who sits on Arb or how people here respond to them? Because I think it was rather clear that "ignorant moron" is how people at WR describe most of the people with power at Wikipedia.
By the way, I like The Cavalry.
Posted by: Heat
QUOTE(Ottava @ Sun 2nd January 2011, 7:07pm)
QUOTE(Heat @ Sun 2nd January 2011, 1:59pm)
Wow! CMLIMTC was elected to Arbcom? I didn't realize being an ignorant moron was a prerequisite for Arbcom these days.
So, I take it you've never paid attention to who sits on Arb or how people here respond to them? Because I think it was rather clear that "ignorant moron" is how people at WR describe most of the people with power at Wikipedia.
By the way, I like The Cavalry.
Still, I thought most ArbCommers who turn out to be morons were at least able to hide that fact until after their election. And he only got 60% of the vote (and wasn't even the least popular candidate to be elected). A couple of years ago there was controversy because Jayjg was appointed despite only getting 69% support.
Posted by: Milton Roe
QUOTE(Ottava @ Sun 2nd January 2011, 12:07pm)
By the way, I like The Cavalry.
Well, if you can't get a room, maybe you could just chase him.
Posted by: EricBarbour
QUOTE(Milton Roe @ Sun 2nd January 2011, 11:26am)
QUOTE(Ottava @ Sun 2nd January 2011, 12:07pm)
By the way, I like The Cavalry.
Well, you you can't get a room, maybe you could just chase him.Haw haw. Pwned.
Ironholds has indeed been up for RFA so many times, people have given up keeping track.
http://wikipediareview.com/index.php?showtopic=20659, in 2008.
http://wikipediareview.com/index.php?showtopic=28027, exactly a year ago.
In 2007, he was called O keyes. (First name Oliver.)
And went thru http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/O_Keyes http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/O_Keyes_2 RFAs.
Wikipedians have short memories indeed. They don't remember http://wikipediareview.com/index.php?showtopic=26748
Oh, http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Ironholds&diff=204621977&oldid=202914489:
QUOTE
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I'm Autistic, having Aspergers Syndrome, i have an IQ of 145, an Eidetic memory to do with sounds and am lucky enough to suffer from Bipolar disorder.
I'm Autistic, having Aspergers Syndrome, i have an IQ of 145, an Eidetic memory to do with sounds and am lucky enough to suffer from Bipolar disorder.
Posted by: Malleus
QUOTE(EricBarbour @ Sun 2nd January 2011, 11:34pm)
QUOTE(Milton Roe @ Sun 2nd January 2011, 11:26am)
QUOTE(Ottava @ Sun 2nd January 2011, 12:07pm)
By the way, I like The Cavalry.
Well, you you can't get a room, maybe you could just chase him.Haw haw. Pwned.
Ironholds has indeed been up for RFA so many times, people have given up keeping track.
http://wikipediareview.com/index.php?showtopic=20659, in 2008.
http://wikipediareview.com/index.php?showtopic=28027, exactly a year ago.
In 2007, he was called O keyes. (First name Oliver.)
And went thru http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/O_Keyes http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/O_Keyes_2 RFAs.
Wikipedians have short memories indeed. They don't remember http://wikipediareview.com/index.php?showtopic=26748
Oh, http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Ironholds&diff=204621977&oldid=202914489:
QUOTE
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I'm Autistic, having Aspergers Syndrome, i have an IQ of 145, an Eidetic memory to do with sounds and am lucky enough to suffer from Bipolar disorder.
I'm Autistic, having Aspergers Syndrome, i have an IQ of 145, an Eidetic memory to do with sounds and am lucky enough to suffer from Bipolar disorder.
Only 145? How on earth does he manage?
Posted by: Alison
QUOTE(Theanima @ Sun 2nd January 2011, 6:43am)
That would be 'Ironholds' and the 7th, not 6th, attempt. Has anyone else had any more RFAs, or is this a record?
TenPoundHammer has had http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/TenPoundHammer_7. I think that's the record
Posted by: melloden
QUOTE(Herschelkrustofsky @ Sun 2nd January 2011, 5:21am)
It's generally best to provide a courtesy link.
Courtesy my ass.
QUOTE(Theanima @ Sun 2nd January 2011, 2:43pm)
That would be 'Ironholds' and the 7th, not 6th, attempt. Has anyone else had any more RFAs, or is this a record?
Again the sixth. The first time is not "again" you see.
Posted by: melloden
QUOTE(Malleus @ Mon 3rd January 2011, 6:16am)
QUOTE(EricBarbour @ Sun 2nd January 2011, 11:34pm)
QUOTE(Milton Roe @ Sun 2nd January 2011, 11:26am)
QUOTE(Ottava @ Sun 2nd January 2011, 12:07pm)
By the way, I like The Cavalry.
Well, you you can't get a room, maybe you could just chase him.Haw haw. Pwned.
Ironholds has indeed been up for RFA so many times, people have given up keeping track.
http://wikipediareview.com/index.php?showtopic=20659, in 2008.
http://wikipediareview.com/index.php?showtopic=28027, exactly a year ago.
In 2007, he was called O keyes. (First name Oliver.)
And went thru http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/O_Keyes http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/O_Keyes_2 RFAs.
Wikipedians have short memories indeed. They don't remember http://wikipediareview.com/index.php?showtopic=26748
Oh, http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Ironholds&diff=204621977&oldid=202914489:
QUOTE
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I'm Autistic, having Aspergers Syndrome, i have an IQ of 145, an Eidetic memory to do with sounds and am lucky enough to suffer from Bipolar disorder.
I'm Autistic, having Aspergers Syndrome, i have an IQ of 145, an Eidetic memory to do with sounds and am lucky enough to suffer from Bipolar disorder.
Only 145? How on earth does he manage?
If you factor in all the dumbass kids and the professional nerds, you get an average wikipediot's IQ of about 145, plus the various psychiatric stuff. Ironholds seems around average, except for the seven RFAs.
Posted by: Malleus
QUOTE(melloden @ Mon 3rd January 2011, 6:35pm)
If you factor in all the dumbass kids and the professional nerds, you get an average wikipediot's IQ of about 145, plus the various psychiatric stuff. Ironholds seems around average, except for the seven RFAs.
IQs are based on the median, not the average.
Posted by: A Horse With No Name
QUOTE(melloden @ Mon 3rd January 2011, 1:28pm)
Courtesy my ass.
Posted by: GlassBeadGame
QUOTE(Malleus @ Tue 4th January 2011, 12:14am)
QUOTE(melloden @ Mon 3rd January 2011, 6:35pm)
If you factor in all the dumbass kids and the professional nerds, you get an average wikipediot's IQ of about 145, plus the various psychiatric stuff. Ironholds seems around average, except for the seven RFAs.
IQs are based on the median, not the average.
IQ purports to describe a person's relative position in a normal distribution with a mean of 100 and a standard deviation of 15. That would make it more "based" on the mean than the median. I'm not sure what "average" has to do with it or even means in this context. Prissy prima donnas shouldn't make shit up.
Posted by: Sarcasticidealist
In a normal distribution, or indeed any symmetrical distribution, the median and the mean are one and the same. "Average" is an imprecise word that can refer to either (or, indeed, to neither), though it's probably most often used to mean "mean".
Posted by: GlassBeadGame
QUOTE(Sarcasticidealist @ Tue 4th January 2011, 2:21pm)
In a normal distribution, or indeed any symmetrical distribution, the median and the mean are one and the same. "Average" is an imprecise word that can refer to either (or, indeed, to neither), though it's probably most often used to mean "mean".
Yes they are the same for theoretical normal distributions. But the mean is used to calculate the standard deviation and the median is not. Standard deviations can be used for populations without a normal distribution and also for non-theoretical samples. In these cases the mean is not the same as the median. Using the median would not work. Our "content creator" friend Malleus posts about things he knows nothing about, even going out of his way to inappropriately correct others for no reason other than smarty-pantsism. I don't follow him on WP but maybe some Wikipedians should look into this there.
Posted by: Malleus
QUOTE(GlassBeadGame @ Tue 4th January 2011, 8:29pm)
QUOTE(Sarcasticidealist @ Tue 4th January 2011, 2:21pm)
In a normal distribution, or indeed any symmetrical distribution, the median and the mean are one and the same. "Average" is an imprecise word that can refer to either (or, indeed, to neither), though it's probably most often used to mean "mean".
Yes they are the same for theoretical normal distributions. But the mean is used to calculate the standard deviation and the median is not. Standard deviations can be used for populations without a normal distribution and also for non-theoretical samples. In these cases the mean is not the same as the median. Using the median would not work. Our "content creator" friend Malleus posts about things he knows nothing about, even going out of his way to inappropriately correcting others for no reason other than smarty-pantsism. I don't follow him on WP but maybe some Wikipedians should look into this there.
Good idea. Why don't you do it, you might learn something at last. Including how IQs are actually calculated based on assumptions about a mean of 100 and a standard deviation of 15 or so depending on which test you're talking about.
Posted by: EricBarbour
Posted by: GlassBeadGame
QUOTE(Malleus @ Tue 4th January 2011, 5:04pm)
QUOTE(GlassBeadGame @ Tue 4th January 2011, 8:29pm)
QUOTE(Sarcasticidealist @ Tue 4th January 2011, 2:21pm)
In a normal distribution, or indeed any symmetrical distribution, the median and the mean are one and the same. "Average" is an imprecise word that can refer to either (or, indeed, to neither), though it's probably most often used to mean "mean".
Yes they are the same for theoretical normal distributions. But the mean is used to calculate the standard deviation and the median is not. Standard deviations can be used for populations without a normal distribution and also for non-theoretical samples. In these cases the mean is not the same as the median. Using the median would not work. Our "content creator" friend Malleus posts about things he knows nothing about, even going out of his way to inappropriately correcting others for no reason other than smarty-pantsism. I don't follow him on WP but maybe some Wikipedians should look into this there.
Good idea. Why don't you do it, you might learn something at last. Including how IQs are actually calculated based on assumptions about a mean of 100 and a standard deviation of 15 or so depending on which test you're talking about.
Say some more words to hide your ignorance. Classic Wikipedian. I won't be looking but maybe someone in your Herd of Nerds.
Posted by: radek
QUOTE(GlassBeadGame @ Tue 4th January 2011, 4:38pm)
QUOTE(Malleus @ Tue 4th January 2011, 5:04pm)
QUOTE(GlassBeadGame @ Tue 4th January 2011, 8:29pm)
QUOTE(Sarcasticidealist @ Tue 4th January 2011, 2:21pm)
In a normal distribution, or indeed any symmetrical distribution, the median and the mean are one and the same. "Average" is an imprecise word that can refer to either (or, indeed, to neither), though it's probably most often used to mean "mean".
Yes they are the same for theoretical normal distributions. But the mean is used to calculate the standard deviation and the median is not. Standard deviations can be used for populations without a normal distribution and also for non-theoretical samples. In these cases the mean is not the same as the median. Using the median would not work. Our "content creator" friend Malleus posts about things he knows nothing about, even going out of his way to inappropriately correcting others for no reason other than smarty-pantsism. I don't follow him on WP but maybe some Wikipedians should look into this there.
Good idea. Why don't you do it, you might learn something at last. Including how IQs are actually calculated based on assumptions about a mean of 100 and a standard deviation of 15 or so depending on which test you're talking about.
Say some more words to hide your ignorance. Classic Wikipedian. I won't be looking but maybe someone in your Herd of Nerds.
Aren't IQ scores calculated based on the assumption that "intelligence" (wtf that is) is distributed normally?
(To the extent that the basic concept even makes an iota of sense - which I don't think it does - a log normal or something else skewed to the left would seem like a more realistic assumptions. I'm guessing that they grabbed the normal because lots of physical characteristics are approximately normal so they figured mental attributes and behavior would be also. Actually lots of "behaviors" and such have a lot of skewness in them)
Posted by: EricBarbour
He's http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=505671254&v=info a Facebook.