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Posted by: Emperor

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferret_legging could be deleted from Wikipedia.

Luckily, it is now http://encyc.org/wiki/Ferret_legging.

Posted by: Kato

Someone has written:

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Delete If this was a real "sport" it would show up in more than one source. Steve Dufour (talk) 18:48, 12 August 2009 (UTC)


It very much is a real sport. I don't think it goes on much if at all anymore, but - ridiculous as it sounds - it was a regular novelty act and was (alongside http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gurning) the kind of thing that would go on in small village fairs.

Posted by: No one of consequence

QUOTE(Kato @ Wed 12th August 2009, 8:00pm) *

Someone has written:

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Delete If this was a real "sport" it would show up in more than one source. Steve Dufour (talk) 18:48, 12 August 2009 (UTC)


It very much is a real sport. I don't think it goes on much if at all anymore, but - ridiculous as it sounds - it was a regular novelty act and was (alongside http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gurning) the kind of thing that would go on in small village fairs.

Multiple hits in LexisNexis in the US, Canada and Australia. In the US, appears to be a novelty sport held at Scottish, Celtic or Highland Games-type of festivals/fairs.

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* PLAN AHEAD. No animals are harmed in the sport of ferret-legging. Is the same true for participants who put a live weasel down their pants? Find out about this odd activity Oct. 25-26 at the Richmond Highland Games and Celtic Festival, where there will also be rugby games and large men hurling telephone poles (that's caber tossing). Nip some whisky to the sounds of the Glengarry Bhoys and Seven Nations.


Posted by: Eva Destruction

QUOTE(No one of consequence @ Wed 12th August 2009, 9:13pm) *

QUOTE(Kato @ Wed 12th August 2009, 8:00pm) *

Someone has written:

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Delete If this was a real "sport" it would show up in more than one source. Steve Dufour (talk) 18:48, 12 August 2009 (UTC)


It very much is a real sport. I don't think it goes on much if at all anymore, but - ridiculous as it sounds - it was a regular novelty act and was (alongside http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gurning) the kind of thing that would go on in small village fairs.

Multiple hits in LexisNexis in the US, Canada and Australia. In the US, appears to be a novelty sport held at Scottish, Celtic or Highland Games-type of festivals/fairs.

Anyone who remembers That's Life! in the 1980s - or has seen the repeats on cable - will know this is genuine. I despair of the "it's not on Google so it doesn't exist!" brigade.

Posted by: Grep

Not to mention the 23 hits on Google Books ...

Posted by: Kato

QUOTE(No one of consequence @ Wed 12th August 2009, 9:13pm) *

Multiple hits in LexisNexis in the US, Canada and Australia. In the US, appears to be a novelty sport held at Scottish, Celtic or Highland Games-type of festivals/fairs.

Sticking a ferret down y'trousers is a well known Yorkshire activity, and the ferret legger is popular stereotype of a Yorkshireman.

According to WP, the champion ferret legger performed his feat in Holmfirth in Yorkshire, which sounds credible as Holmfirth is classic ferret-in-trousers territory. There's a whole episode of the TV show Last of the Summer Wine (set in Holmfirth) about a guy keeping ferrets in his trousers http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDVlk3qJ2aQ.

I never understood why English culture and pastimes get transmogrified into Celtic blarney when they travel to North America. I guess the image of half crazed drunken ferret leggers doesn't fit the stereotype of the plum-voiced upper-class English gent, and so they get morphed onto the Irish or Scots instead?

Posted by: KevinOKeeffe

Only one vote has been cast for Delete, while I just cast the seventh Keep vote, so it seems likely secure.

Posted by: EricBarbour

Well, if you actually do try Google, you come up with:

http://www.cracked.com/article_16697_8-most-baffling-sports-from-around-world.html on "baffling sports"

http://www.fordhamobserver.com/ferret-legging-not-just-for-brits-anymore-1.912802

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/17032/buying_and_caring_for_your_pet_ferret.html

http://www.veterinarypartner.com/Content.plx?P=A&A=496 from veterinarypartner.com

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Ferret Legging. This silly English pub sport has been around for centuries, but fortunately is no longer common. The contestant must tie his trousers legs securely around the ankles, then place two ferrets that have full sets of teeth down his pants, and finally tie the waist of his trousers securely closed. If a ferret bites, it can only be dislodged from the outside of the pants. The object is to be the person that keeps the ferrets in his pants the longest. In 1983 a 72-year old Yorkshire man withstood the ferrets for 5 hours and 26 minutes.

http://www.houstonpress.com/2007-08-23/news/ferret-love/full

http://www.foxey.org/Animals/other_mustela3.html
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During Medieval times, placing a hungry, fully-clawed ferret down the pants of a prisoner was used as a torture device.


FYI: a lot of people think it was a gag that originated with the Outside magazine article.
Here's a http://britishpages.org/articles/index.htm#nabble-td2576688--that contradicts itself.

And btw, the ferret-legging article has been up for deletion before.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Ferret_legging
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Ferret_legging_(2nd_nomination)
http://message.snopes.com/showthread.php?t=6225 on the snopes.com messageboard--in 2007.

There ya go, WP smartasses. More references.
is this article going to be AFDed again and again in the future??

Posted by: Kato

Some people seem to think it's an urban myth stemming from that article in 1987.

This isn't true. There used to be fairground style acts that were similar long ago, where guys would try and get as many ferrets in their trousers as they could. There would be competitions to beat the record.

Any combination of ferrets and trousers is inherently funny in the North of England. The sight of a phallic bulge hopping around uncontrollably in a guy's pants, and the comic tension as a crowd hopes the ferret will stick its teeth into the guy's bollocks, is not to be underestimated.

WP will be doubting http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Well_dressing next.

Posted by: Kato

The old deletion debates are funny. Almost everyone thinks it is a hoax.

User:DavidParfitt http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Ferret_legging, "the first time I saw ferret legging was in the mid sixties [...] this is an activity that is pretty much limited to rural shows and fetes as such it probably wont ever be authoritatively documented."

On the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Ferret_legging, a self-declared Yorkshireman pronounces it a hoax which is "racist claptrap" against Yorkshire folk - and demands evidence! He's completely wrong and can't be much of Yorkshireman if he doesn't remember the old ferret-up-the-trousers act.

There's actually a photo of "ferret legger" supremo Reg Mellor on the BBC website, where Mellor appears to be sticking a ferret in his mouth!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/southyorkshire/content/image_galleries/old_photos_gallery.shtml?33

Posted by: Obesity

Having a ferret in your "trousers" for 5+ hours doesn't sound very fun.... for the ferret!

Where is SlimVirgin? The article needs a good, hard animal rights slant.....

Posted by: Sarcasticidealist

QUOTE(Kato @ Wed 12th August 2009, 9:21pm) *
He's completely wrong and can't be much of Yorkshireman if he doesn't remember the old ferret-up-the-trousers act.
Cue Dan and the "No true Scotsman" fallacy lecture...

Posted by: Cock-up-over-conspiracy

Ee, by gum ... who'd have known that your everyday Yorkshireman could have taught Richard Gere something about small furry creatures?

QUOTE(Eva Destruction @ Wed 12th August 2009, 8:16pm) *
Anyone who remembers That's Life! in the 1980s - or has seen the repeats on cable - will know this is genuine. I despair of the "it's not on Google so it doesn't exist!" brigade.

The other problem being that the ... "it's not on Google so it doesn't exist! brigade" were born after the 1980s too.

They spend so long in their bedrooms Wiki-pee-ding that they have no idea what goes on in the world.

It just depresses me more ... "All the World's Knowledge®" ruled by a mob of teenage "Randy from Boise, Idaho" type police cadets and scout masters who are anything but 'getting randy' which is part of their problem.

Just out of interest, did you know that only 0.77% of the Boise population is African American? A similar statistic to the number of African or African American Wikipedians, I'd should guess.

I read it on the Wiki ... um, Google ... um, Wiki ... um, Wikipediareview ... so it must be true.

Posted by: Malleus

This article will only be deleted over my dead body. About the daftest comment I've seen on the talk page is that because Lady Chatterley's fictional lover and manservant was called Mellor the article is obviously http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Ferret_legging&diff=next&oldid=307637505. A comment written by a fictional sword no less!

Posted by: Emperor

Wasn't it Somey or someone who said that it used to be more fun pre-Wikipedia where if you were in a group of people and you didn't know something you'd figure it out, without running to the computer. Thanks guys, particularly Kato who seems to be the expert here.

Seeing the way the article is improving now reminds me of how I once liked Wikipedia. Too bad Obesity is right.

Posted by: Malleus

QUOTE(Emperor @ Thu 13th August 2009, 3:27am) *

Wasn't it Somey or someone who said that it used to be more fun pre-Wikipedia where if you were in a group of people and you didn't know something you'd figure it out, without running to the computer. Thanks guys, particularly Kato who seems to be the expert here.

Seeing the way the article is improving now reminds me of how I once liked Wikipedia. Too bad Obesity is right.

If you're talking about the animal rights slant, ferret legging has died out in the UK, you don't see it any more, and I'm sure it would now be considered unacceptable by the RSPCA and result in prosecutions.

I'm astonished though to see that it appears to have spread to the US, where it's considered to have "Celtic origins". Completely bizarre, as ferrets weren't introduced to England until the 11th century.

Posted by: A Horse With No Name

QUOTE(Malleus @ Wed 12th August 2009, 10:45pm) *
Completely bizarre, as ferrets weren't introduced to England until the 11th century.


I can imagine the scene...

"Ferrets, meet the English. English, say hello to the ferrets!"

Of course, the Spanish introduced my ancestors to the American Indians in the 16th century -- although the Angel Moroni insists we were galloping around North America before that! wink.gif

And, whoa, the WR team came out in full force -- including the apathetic Mr. X! smile.gif

Posted by: Kato

QUOTE(Malleus @ Thu 13th August 2009, 3:45am) *

I'm astonished though to see that it appears to have spread to the US, where it's considered to have "Celtic origins". Completely bizarre, as ferrets weren't introduced to England until the 11th century.

Yeah, that's quite depressing (see my post earlier in the thread).

According to WP, the Richmond Times-Dispatch "claims it has a Celtic origin" (that's Richmond, Virginia - not Richmond in Yorkshire). You should take that out because it is clearly false - "reliable source" or not.

On YouTube there is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPQ6TuvqX7w of ferret legging from the Richmond "Celtic Fare" featuring a guy pulling the most unconvincing Scottish / Irish (?) accent you'll ever hear.

Also, YouTube have got http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9xHEj3Gk4Q from Yorkshire TV of presenter Richard Whitely getting attacked by a ferret while its ferreter owner looks on nonchalantly. As I say, there's just something inherently funny about ferrets.

Posted by: Malleus

QUOTE(A Horse With No Name @ Thu 13th August 2009, 4:17am) *

QUOTE(Malleus @ Wed 12th August 2009, 10:45pm) *
Completely bizarre, as ferrets weren't introduced to England until the 11th century.


I can imagine the scene...

"Ferrets, meet the English. English, say hello to the ferrets!"

We weren't "English" then, we were Anglo-Saxons and Normans, with a dash of Viking.

Anyway. well done to the WR team.

QUOTE(Kato @ Thu 13th August 2009, 4:29am) *

QUOTE(Malleus @ Thu 13th August 2009, 3:45am) *

I'm astonished though to see that it appears to have spread to the US, where it's considered to have "Celtic origins". Completely bizarre, as ferrets weren't introduced to England until the 11th century.

Yeah, that's quite depressing (see my post earlier in the thread).

According to WP, the Richmond Times-Dispatch "claims it has a Celtic origin" (that's Richmond, Virginia - not Richmond in Yorkshire). You should take that out because it is clearly false - "reliable source" or not.

On YouTube there is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPQ6TuvqX7w of ferret legging from the Richmond "Celtic Fare" featuring a guy pulling the most unconvincing Scottish / Irish (?) accent you'll ever hear.

Also, YouTube have got http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9xHEj3Gk4Q from Yorkshire TV of presenter Richard Whitely getting attacked by a ferret while its ferreter owner looks on nonchalantly. As I say, there's just something inherently funny about ferrets.

I think I will take that Celtic claim out, as it's clearly bizarre nonsense. There is something funny about ferrets, I agree; they're charming, mischievous little rogues, just like me. In the the interest of full disclosure I'll admit that I have 12 of the little blighters. biggrin.gif

Posted by: Sarcasticidealist

QUOTE(Malleus @ Thu 13th August 2009, 12:36am) *
There is something funny about ferrets, I agree; they're charming, mischievous little rogues, just like me. In the the interest of full disclosure I'll admit that I have 12 of the little blighters. biggrin.gif
Dave Barry once theorized that weasels were inherently funny, and offered the following sentences in defense of that view:

Not funny: Richard Nixon is wearing a necktie.
Funny: Richard Nixon is wearing a neckweasel.

Not funny: Scientists have discovered a 23rd moon orbiting Jupiter.
Funny: Scientists have discovered a giant weasel orbiting Jupiter.

Personally, elk are my go-to funny animal.

Posted by: A Horse With No Name

QUOTE(Malleus @ Wed 12th August 2009, 11:36pm) *
There is something funny about ferrets, I agree; they're charming, mischievous little rogues, just like me.


Well, that settles it -- we need to put you down our pants! smile.gif

QUOTE(Malleus @ Wed 12th August 2009, 11:36pm) *
In the the interest of full disclosure I'll admit that I have 12 of the little blighters. biggrin.gif


Have you ever considered raising horses? I am free for adoption -- and I am great fun at the pub, too! evilgrin.gif

Posted by: Kato

While you're at it, that picture on the WP article for http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gurning isn't a gurn - it's a guy just pulling a stupid face. http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_SqhhJb_P3Kk/SEgMjfi8ZJI/AAAAAAAAA54/uETE2C4isJw/s400/gurning.jpg is a gurn.

Posted by: Kato

QUOTE(Sarcasticidealist @ Thu 13th August 2009, 4:39am) *

Personally, elk are my go-to funny animal.

Maybe elks are funny. They've got a ridiculous pomposity about them, like they're trying to be serious, but will always fail because they carry around what is basically a tree on their heads. There was that old Woody Allen stand-up routine where he hit a moose while driving on the road, and ends up taking it to a party. Controversial Scottish comic Gerry Sadowitz once opened a performance in Montreal by shouting "Hello moosefuckers!" and had to leave the stage due to crowd fury.

QUOTE(Sarcasticidealist @ Thu 13th August 2009, 4:39am) *

Dave Barry once theorized that weasels were inherently funny,


Weasels don't seem funny though, they're too sinister and ratty.

Ferrets are funny in that hazy tradition of British innuendo that is hard to pinpoint - maybe because of ferret legging. Under certain circumstances, even the mention of the word "ferret" can get a laugh. They're almost like the male equivalent of "beaver". It's no coincidence that the two culprits behind the Gropecunt Lane FA immediately got involved in the ferret legging article when highlighted here.

Posted by: Malleus

QUOTE(Kato @ Thu 13th August 2009, 4:57am) *
It's no coincidence that the two culprits behind the Gropecunt Lane FA immediately got involved in the ferret legging article when highlighted here.

I've got no idea what you're talking about Kato. rolleyes.gif

Posted by: Grep

QUOTE(Malleus @ Thu 13th August 2009, 3:07am) *

This article will only be deleted over my dead body. About the daftest comment I've seen on the talk page is that because Lady Chatterley's fictional lover and manservant was called Mellor the article is obviously http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Ferret_legging&diff=next&oldid=307637505. A comment written by a fictional sword no less!


Just to point out that this is an example of what I call meta-vandalism: getting a true but implausible article deleted as a hoax. See http://wikipediareview.com/index.php?showtopic=25408 for the taxonomy.

Posted by: A Horse With No Name

QUOTE(Sarcasticidealist @ Wed 12th August 2009, 11:39pm) *
Dave Barry once theorized that weasels were inherently funny...


Dave Barry is probably the unfunniest humor writer in today's media. dry.gif

Posted by: Milton Roe

QUOTE(Kato @ Wed 12th August 2009, 8:57pm) *

QUOTE(Sarcasticidealist @ Thu 13th August 2009, 4:39am) *

Personally, elk are my go-to funny animal.

Maybe elks are funny. They've got a ridiculous pomposity about them, like they're trying to be serious, but will always fail because they carry around what is basically a tree on their heads. There was that old Woody Allen stand-up routine where he hit a moose while driving on the road, and ends up taking it to a party. Controversial Scottish comic Gerry Sadowitz once opened a performance in Montreal by shouting "Hello moosefuckers!" and had to leave the stage due to crowd fury.

For me, moose are funnier, what with the horse head and loose lips. I once had a moose behind a fence take food out of my hand in an Alaska nature preserve, and it's less funny when close. The damn things are huge and dangerous. Though they FEEL hilarious. laugh.gif

Cows. Cows are inherrently funny. A reason you see them in so many Gary Larson cartoons.

Remember Ferret Face Burns in MASH? Did you know that animals with little beady eyes and narrow faces make most women bananas? Unlike kittens, the ferrets, rats, and possums of this world have sort of anti-baby look (baby = wide big eyes and a little smile). Thus, anti-cute. I predict the killers of this ferret article will be found to be female.

Stephen J. Gould once had a delightful article in which he showed that Mickey Mouse had evolutionarily morphed over the years to be less Steamboat Willy mouse-like, and much more baby-like. Thus, cuter by definition.


Posted by: A Horse With No Name

QUOTE(Milton Roe @ Thu 13th August 2009, 12:00pm) *

For me, moose are funnier...


There was a Warner Bros. cartoon where Porky Pig was trying to evict a bunch of rowdy cats from his house. One of the cats climbed up on a moose head that was hanging from the wall. Porky grabbed the cat by the tail and tried to pull it down, but the cat wrapped its arms around the neck of the moose. The more Porky pulled, the further the moose head stretched – until the entire live moose came through the wall. I always thought that was the single most bizarre gag ever put in a cartoon. Pulling a moose through a wall? Wow, I still can’t get over it. wtf.gif

Posted by: Milton Roe

QUOTE(A Horse With No Name @ Thu 13th August 2009, 9:34am) *

QUOTE(Milton Roe @ Thu 13th August 2009, 12:00pm) *

For me, moose are funnier...


There was a Warner Bros. cartoon where Porky Pig was trying to evict a bunch of rowdy cats from his house. One of the cats climbed up on a moose head that was hanging from the wall. Porky grabbed the cat by the tail and tried to pull it down, but the cat wrapped its arms around the neck of the moose. The more Porky pulled, the further the moose head stretched – until the entire live moose came through the wall. I always thought that was the single most bizarre gag ever put in a cartoon. Pulling a moose through a wall? Wow, I still can’t get over it. wtf.gif

This is cultural. In Alaska there are mounted animal heads on walls at the main airport in Anchorage. You look up at them and say: "I guess we're not in Massachusetts anymore, Dorothy."

I suppose it would be okay to have the head of a magnificent animal you killed up on the wall, if it included a little brass plate that certified that you ATE the rest. mellow.gif

Posted by: EricBarbour

Oh, by the by: the guy who provided the only "Delete" vote, Steve Dufour (T-C-L-K-R-D) ?

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Delete If this was a real "sport" it would show up in more than one source. Steve Dufour (talk) 18:48, 12 August 2009 (UTC)


He is a Moonie.......he spends a LOT of time editing the articles involving Sun Myung Moon and the Unification Church. To make them look more favorable to Moon's "philosophies". And he's been doing it for http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&dir=prev&limit=500&target=Steve+Dufour.
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I was aware that the Unification theology article existed. To me as a member the article on Divine Principle seems like it should be the main article. We members almost never use the expression "Unification theology". I'll see what I can do in improving the articles. Thanks for your support. Steve Dufour 19:26, 15 January 2007 (UTC)


For the record, I regard Moon to be a http://www.gorenfeld.net/book/ ultra-right crackpot, okay?
And he also publishes one of the http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?aid=895 in America, just btw.

Bonus; Dufour was http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Scientology#Steve_Dufour in the Scientology editwarring.


Posted by: A Horse With No Name

QUOTE(EricBarbour @ Thu 13th August 2009, 1:52pm) *

Oh, by the by: the guy who provided the only "Delete" vote, Steve Dufour (T-C-L-K-R-D) ?
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Delete If this was a real "sport" it would show up in more than one source. Steve Dufour (talk) 18:48, 12 August 2009 (UTC)


He is a Moonie.......he spends a LOT of time editing the articles involving Sun Myung Moon and the Unification Church. To make them look more favorable to Moon's "philosophies". And he's been doing it for http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&dir=prev&limit=500&target=Steve+Dufour.
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I was aware that the Unification theology article existed. To me as a member the article on Divine Principle seems like it should be the main article. We members almost never use the expression "Unification theology". I'll see what I can do in improving the articles. Thanks for your support. Steve Dufour 19:26, 15 January 2007 (UTC)


For the record, I regard Moon to be a http://www.gorenfeld.net/book/ ultra-right crackpot, okay?
And he also publishes one of the http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?aid=895 in America, just btw.

Bonus; Dufour was http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Scientology#Steve_Dufour in the Scientology editwarring.


Ah, but Super Dum-Dum WMC joined the WR team for the Keep votes.

Hey, can one of the nice admins here temporarily unblock Guido, Petey and the other banned folks so they can vote in this AfD? biggrin.gif

Posted by: Grep

Is there any chance of getting Dwile Flonking deleted as a hoax? After all, that's real too.

Posted by: Kato

QUOTE(Grep @ Thu 13th August 2009, 7:06pm) *

Is there any chance of getting Dwile Flonking deleted as a hoax? After all, that's real too.

I've never heard of this, but a look at the article implies that the practice takes place in the Lewes Arms in Lewes, Sussex.

The Lewes Arms is a famous pub, and is the hub of most of the oddness that eminates from Lewes. Comedian Mark Steele recently presented a radio show from Lewes which delved into the bizarre history of the pub, and the town. Thomas Paine is Lewes's most famous son, which may explain something.

I remember when the entire town of Lewes constructed a huge effigy of TV presenter Anne Robinson and set it alight on a bonfire.

Posted by: EricBarbour

QUOTE(Kato @ Wed 12th August 2009, 8:57pm) *
Controversial Scottish comic Gerry Sadowitz once opened a performance in Montreal by shouting "Hello moosefuckers!" and had to leave the stage due to crowd fury.

Sadowitz is GOD. One of the greatest comedians of all time--who few people outside the UK have ever heard of, because he's "too offensive". angry.gif

Posted by: Sarcasticidealist

QUOTE(Kato @ Thu 13th August 2009, 12:57am) *
Controversial Scottish comic Gerry Sadowitz once opened a performance in Montreal by shouting "Hello moosefuckers!" and had to leave the stage due to crowd fury.
Really? That doesn't sound like the Canada I know; most of us take quite kindly to having our inaccurately rustic self-image validated by outsiders.

QUOTE(A Horse With No Name @ Thu 13th August 2009, 12:45pm) *
Dave Barry is probably the unfunniest humor writer in today's media. dry.gif
I loved him as a kid, before I became discerning enough to recognize formulaic writing. He's certainly not brilliant, but he's far from the worst out there. Very far.

Anyway, I don't think he's writing anymore, is he?

Posted by: Eva Destruction

QUOTE(Kato @ Thu 13th August 2009, 7:15pm) *

QUOTE(Grep @ Thu 13th August 2009, 7:06pm) *

Is there any chance of getting Dwile Flonking deleted as a hoax? After all, that's real too.

I've never heard of this, but a look at the article implies that the practice takes place in the Lewes Arms in Lewes, Sussex.

The Lewes Arms is a famous pub, and is the hub of most of the oddness that eminates from Lewes. Comedian Mark Steele recently presented a radio show from Lewes which delved into the bizarre history of the pub, and the town. Thomas Paine is Lewes's most famous son, which may explain something.

I remember when the entire town of Lewes constructed a huge effigy of TV presenter Anne Robinson and set it alight on a bonfire.

Lewes has a http://images.google.co.uk/images?hl=en&q=lewes%20bonfire&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi of burning effigies given half the chance. http://farm1.static.flickr.com/122/290519264_894a2c2f55.jpg of the 2006 Lewes Bonfire Night seems particularly creepy to anyone raised in the US. With the possible exception of Kevin.

Posted by: Kato

QUOTE(Eva Destruction @ Thu 13th August 2009, 8:39pm) *

QUOTE(Kato @ Thu 13th August 2009, 7:15pm) *

QUOTE(Grep @ Thu 13th August 2009, 7:06pm) *

Is there any chance of getting Dwile Flonking deleted as a hoax? After all, that's real too.

I've never heard of this, but a look at the article implies that the practice takes place in the Lewes Arms in Lewes, Sussex.

The Lewes Arms is a famous pub, and is the hub of most of the oddness that eminates from Lewes. Comedian Mark Steele recently presented a radio show from Lewes which delved into the bizarre history of the pub, and the town. Thomas Paine is Lewes's most famous son, which may explain something.

I remember when the entire town of Lewes constructed a huge effigy of TV presenter Anne Robinson and set it alight on a bonfire.

Lewes has a http://images.google.co.uk/images?hl=en&q=lewes%20bonfire&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi of burning effigies given half the chance. http://farm1.static.flickr.com/122/290519264_894a2c2f55.jpg of the 2006 Lewes Bonfire Night seems particularly creepy to anyone raised in the US. With the possible exception of Kevin.

http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/"Condi"_effigy_burned_at_Lewes_Bonfire_night, in 2006, residents of Lewes burnt giant effigies of "George Bush, Condoleezza Rice (as Wonder Woman) and Crocodile Hunter Steve Irwin." Condoleezza Rice was http://farm1.static.flickr.com/110/289256897_67e1b06fc9.jpg?v=0 - while a fevered mob shouted "Burn! Burn! Burn!" The Bush effigy had a http://pics.livejournal.com/enthusemarc/pic/0006g4gp going through his head.

I don't know what Steve Irwin did to end up on the pyre-of-hate. Didn't he die that year?

Posted by: CharlotteWebb

QUOTE(Milton Roe @ Thu 13th August 2009, 5:04pm) *

I suppose it would be okay to have the head of a magnificent animal you killed up on the wall, if it included a little brass plate that certified that you ATE the rest. mellow.gif

That sounds reasonable.

However hunting licenses, tags, and especially ammunition are expensive these days, even in Alaska. But as far as subsistence goes, roadkill alone will more feed many of the smaller Parks Hwy communities during the winter months, however Wikipedia has no mention of this tradition. The best I could find was on everything2. http://everything2.com/?node_id=1530203

I found the meat itself barely distinguishable from lean beef, plus it's 100% organic. tongue.gif

Posted by: Eva Destruction

QUOTE(Kato @ Thu 13th August 2009, 9:10pm) *

I don't know what Steve Irwin did to end up on the pyre-of-hate. Didn't he die that year?

Not a hoax (my first thought) - http://media.nowpublic.net/images/2f/5/2f5e056705d0971f3507794eefb285ab.jpg.

Posted by: A Horse With No Name

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QUOTE(A Horse With No Name @ Thu 13th August 2009, 12:45pm) *
Dave Barry is probably the unfunniest humor writer in today's media. dry.gif
I loved him as a kid, before I became discerning enough to recognize formulaic writing. He's certainly not brilliant, but he's far from the worst out there. Very far.

Anyway, I don't think he's writing anymore, is he?


I hope not. And I respectfully disagree -- I never understood how he ever got as far as he did. Barry and Erma Bombeck always astonished me -- people with no gift of irony, let alone comic talent, were able to make a living with such awful writing. ohmy.gif

Posted by: Sarcasticidealist

QUOTE(A Horse With No Name @ Thu 13th August 2009, 6:11pm) *
I hope not. And I respectfully disagree -- I never understood how he ever got as far as he did. Barry and Erma Bombeck always astonished me -- people with no gift of irony, let alone comic talent, were able to make a living with such awful writing. ohmy.gif
The Pulitzer was a bit much, granted, but I still can't help but think that if Barry's the worst you can think of, you haven't read that many humour writers. There is an enormous amount of schlock out there.

Posted by: A Horse With No Name

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QUOTE(A Horse With No Name @ Thu 13th August 2009, 6:11pm) *
I hope not. And I respectfully disagree -- I never understood how he ever got as far as he did. Barry and Erma Bombeck always astonished me -- people with no gift of irony, let alone comic talent, were able to make a living with such awful writing. ohmy.gif
The Pulitzer was a bit much, granted, but I still can't help but think that if Barry's the worst you can think of, you haven't read that many humour writers. There is an enormous amount of schlock out there.


I am aware of the junk that is being published -- I am a highly literate and very well-read equine! wink.gif

Posted by: Milton Roe

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QUOTE(Milton Roe @ Thu 13th August 2009, 5:04pm) *

I suppose it would be okay to have the head of a magnificent animal you killed up on the wall, if it included a little brass plate that certified that you ATE the rest. mellow.gif

That sounds reasonable.

However hunting licenses, tags, and especially ammunition are expensive these days, even in Alaska. But as far as subsistence goes, roadkill alone will more feed many of the smaller Parks Hwy communities during the winter months, however Wikipedia has no mention of this tradition. The best I could find was on everything2. http://everything2.com/?node_id=1530203

I found the meat itself barely distinguishable from lean beef, plus it's 100% organic. tongue.gif

Yes, I hate wasting food in the same physical place that ANYBODY is hungry. Offends me deeply in every way. It took years to get laws passed to allow restaurants to give their excess day's food to the hungry, and similar laws are still not in place to allow out-of-stock-date items in grocery stores to be used the same way in homeless shelter kitchens. Which should not be a health problem because these dates are when the item has to be pulled from the store shelf due to inadequte consumer-shelf-life remaining (things are usually good for at least a week past that date-- something not a problem, if it's to be used immediately).

Roadkill is the same way. In most places, you're not allowed to take home and eat a deer you just hit and killed (something I've done myself-- the animal was dead as a doornail, but looked untouched). This is stupid because you know the meat is fresh (you just killed it), and there are few people likely to try to do this on-purpose, as the damage to your car and the danger to your life never outweighs the calories. Anyway, another dumb law. The animal has to sit there until the state comes to get it to turn it into garden mulch or something. And that's if you live in an enlightened state. (Some states have public road work crews that don't give a damn about anything).

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Posted by: Eva Destruction

QUOTE(A Horse With No Name @ Thu 13th August 2009, 4:45pm) *

Dave Barry is probably the unfunniest humor writer in today's media. dry.gif

As far as I'm concerned, I doubt Lint by Steve Aylett will ever be beaten in the 'least funny "humor" writing ever' stakes. What does it say about the quality of a book when even Wikipedia doesn't bother to have an article on it? (Aylett's insanely elaborate attempt to write a Wikipedia page on the main character as a BLP - deleted http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Jeff_Lint and preserved for posterity http://www.snowbooks.com/wiki/Jeff_Lint/ - remains one of the stranger attempted hoaxes in Wikipedia's history.)

Posted by: A Horse With No Name

Team WR triumphs -- our wee hero Juliancolton (a WR regular visitor) did a snowball close:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Ferret_legging_(3rd_nomination)


Posted by: KevinOKeeffe

QUOTE(Milton Roe @ Thu 13th August 2009, 10:04am) *
I suppose it would be okay to have the head of a magnificent animal you killed up on the wall, if it included a little brass plate that certified that you ATE the rest. mellow.gif


People don't generally shoot animals and not eat them; the meat is generally much better than anything you can get in the store. Moose sausage is food fit for the Gods, I can assure you. Even if you don't want to eat it yourself, you can sell the meat to those who do.

Antelope is also particularly scrumptious.

Posted by: KevinOKeeffe

QUOTE(Milton Roe @ Thu 13th August 2009, 2:21pm) *
Roadkill is the same way. In most places, you're not allowed to take home and eat a deer you just hit and killed (something I've done myself-- the animal was dead as a doornail, but looked untouched). This is stupid because you know the meat is fresh (you just killed it), and there are few people likely to try to do this on-purpose, as the damage to your car and the danger to your life never outweighs the calories. Anyway, another dumb law. The animal has to sit there until the state comes to get it to turn it into garden mulch or something.


When my father was in K-12 school, in Bradford County, Pennsylvania, people would routinely bring road-killed deer to his school, where the cooks would use it to prepare what are/were known as "Wimpies," ie., "Sloopy Joes" made from ground venison, as opposed to ground beef. They used to really look forward to the delivery of these highway mishaps, since the "Wimpies" were considerably more enjoyable than their usual lunchroom fare.

Posted by: Milton Roe

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QUOTE(Milton Roe @ Thu 13th August 2009, 10:04am) *
I suppose it would be okay to have the head of a magnificent animal you killed up on the wall, if it included a little brass plate that certified that you ATE the rest. mellow.gif


People don't generally shoot animals and not eat them; the meat is generally much better than anything you can get in the store. Moose sausage is food fit for the Gods, I can assure you. Even if you don't want to eat it yourself, you can sell the meat to those who do.

Antelope is also particularly scrumptious.

I've had moose sausage and burgers. An odd blood-iron taste and dark and lots of fat, but very good. It's probably my favorite ungulate meat with the exception, of course, of pig.

As for your other point, I've seen too much personal trophy shoot meat wasted, or gone to feed dogs. For one thing, that great big 7 pt buck isn't necessarily the best eating. Venison is very lean and has its own peculiar taste and some people don't like it. And after eating bottled venison on rice for a whole winter once, I don't much like it, either. In these days of cheap fat In-N-Out stuff from stockyards, it's just not the same market it once was. We've been spoiled pretty badly. And that includes me-- too much bacon.

Posted by: CharlotteWebb

QUOTE(KevinOKeeffe @ Fri 14th August 2009, 1:49am) *

Moose sausage is food fit for the Gods, I can assure you. Even if you don't want to eat it yourself, you can sell the meat to those who do.

That's actually illegal, though people do it all the time (or tread a grey area with some barter agreements). I wouldn't call it immoral by any means.

In fact if I could walk into any grocery store and buy beef which came from a wild-shot moose or caribou instead of factory-farmed beef which came from a hormone-injected steer that could barely walk, you're damn right I would.

But I suppose the product labeling would have to resort to euphemisms like "free-range-plus".

By the way here's NYT coverage regarding consumption of road-kill by mentally normal humans.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/17/dining/17moose.html

I think this avenue of subsistence is worthy of a separate article ("human consumption of road-kill" perhaps) if/when I get back to editing.

Hell http://www.peta.org/feat/roadkill/ thinks it's a good idea "if you must eat meat"!

Posted by: Kelly Martin

QUOTE(Kato @ Thu 13th August 2009, 1:15pm) *
I remember when the entire town of Lewes constructed a huge effigy of TV presenter Anne Robinson and set it alight on a bonfire.
See, this is what happens when you have socialized health care. laugh.gif

Posted by: Apathetic

good source for new topics, this.

Roadkill_cuisine created yesterday by User:ChildofMidnight

Posted by: The Wales Hunter

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QUOTE(Grep @ Thu 13th August 2009, 7:06pm) *

Is there any chance of getting Dwile Flonking deleted as a hoax? After all, that's real too.

I've never heard of this, but a look at the article implies that the practice takes place in the Lewes Arms in Lewes, Sussex.

The Lewes Arms is a famous pub, and is the hub of most of the oddness that eminates from Lewes. Comedian Mark Steele recently presented a radio show from Lewes which delved into the bizarre history of the pub, and the town. Thomas Paine is Lewes's most famous son, which may explain something.

I remember when the entire town of Lewes constructed a huge effigy of TV presenter Anne Robinson and set it alight on a bonfire.


Obviously this is original research, but I played it on the Isle of Sheppey in 2003!

The article is terrible, though.